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Thread Number: 86031
/ Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
First and second generation HE washer performance tests. |
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| Post# 1105910 1/26/2021 at 15:34 (1,184 days old) by MaytagNeptune (FireAlarmTechGuy4444 on YouTube. Interlochen MI) | ||
I feel like giving the Original Style F&P based Bravos/Cabrio/Oasis washer another chance with a few differences. I had the Oasis for 6 months and hated it. it had the dreaded F1 problem but the board came out fine. I used it for 6 months and it worked OK but the F1 problem got annoying I scrapped it. Honestly I should have gotten a donor machine from the scrap yard or used appliance store and swapped the board. it was a rare blue one. The original style wash plate from introduction to 2007 is a joke. The modern tall wash plate does a better rollover. I feel like putting it and all other "HE" machines I have except the Calypso and Neptune and TL machines. Whichever one preforms worse gets scrapped. sometimes my LG WM2277HW doesn't use enough water or never gets the load wet in the middle. I want something that is going to be reliable enough for this. Direct Drive uses too much water. Once I got the hang of HE machines I don't want to go back to the old school machines anymore. Even if the HE machines are cheaper quality and don't preform as well. I am willing to give up a small amount of performance for water and energy savings.
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| Post# 1105912 , Reply# 1 1/26/2021 at 15:39 (1,184 days old) by MaytagNeptune (FireAlarmTechGuy4444 on YouTube. Interlochen MI) | ||
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This is what I refer to as the Original style Bravos washer | ||
Post# 1105941 , Reply# 2 1/26/2021 at 20:47 (1,184 days old) by appnut  (TX) |
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Post# 1105946 , Reply# 3 1/26/2021 at 21:05 (1,184 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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 Bob, I don't think the initial sequence is related to load sensing. Seems to be a pretreatment phase with a concentrated detergent solution. The machine has a floating basket. Load-size sensing is via the slight basket rotational pulses during the fill that begins at 13:07 on the timeline. The basket floats at 15:45, then a bit more and the last pulse is at 15:56. AquaSmart stops filling for HE level and begins agitation immediately when the basket floats, although it may in some cases add more water a few minutes later. Agitation drag is part of F&P's load sensing and is involved in calculating the final level for the deep-fill cycles, except not the Bulky choices. This machine is either programmed to fill a little higher after basket float or perhaps does so on this cycle related to it being PowerWash. | ||
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Post# 1105947 , Reply# 4 1/26/2021 at 21:09 (1,184 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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I agree with Bob, if you are going HE, let gravity work for you and get a tumbler. | ||
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Post# 1105953 , Reply# 5 1/26/2021 at 21:51 (1,184 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 1105965 , Reply# 6 1/27/2021 at 08:33 (1,183 days old) by eronie (Flushing Michigan) |
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All of the little sprits of water during the fill wastes so much time!!! Just fill and get it over with!! Front loader for me!! | ||
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Post# 1105974 , Reply# 7 1/27/2021 at 10:38 (1,183 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Tony, Not to be defending the Bravos XL excessively ... but, see Reply #3 above. Those sprits aren't the main fill. They're part of a pretreatment with a concentrated detergent solution. The fill for wash starts at 13 mins 7 seconds, finishes at 16 mins 57seconds, the water runs continuously for that duration. A little more is added at 17 mins 17 seconds to 17 mins 34 seconds. | ||
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Post# 1105989 , Reply# 8 1/27/2021 at 11:43 (1,183 days old) by eronie (Flushing Michigan) |
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I did note the Pretreatment with the recirculation pump. But there is no way that machine will get poopy diapers or nasty farm jeans clean. | ||
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Post# 1106040 , Reply# 9 1/27/2021 at 19:10 (1,183 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio) |
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Bravos XL I have personally used a machine like Andrew's video that someone posted above. I do not think these machines clean all that well because they do not fill with tap hot water. I have, however, used the coldwash cycle, and found that it actually did really well with normal clothes. | ||
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Post# 1106058 , Reply# 10 1/27/2021 at 20:40 (1,183 days old) by LowEfficiency (Iowa) |
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 >> Whichever one preforms worse gets scrapped. That's how our Bravos, which came with our house, found its way to the curb. We used it for a year or so, repairing it twice along them way. When the fill valve started leaking, it needed about $10 worth of parts to fix, and we decided that its washing performance didn't justify that cost. | ||
| Post# 1106060 , Reply# 11 1/27/2021 at 20:46 (1,183 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
I’d take this over a HE washer any day
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| Post# 1106076 , Reply# 12 1/28/2021 at 00:06 (1,183 days old) by MaytagNeptune (FireAlarmTechGuy4444 on YouTube. Interlochen MI) | ||
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reply #10 | ||
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Post# 1106109 , Reply# 13 1/28/2021 at 12:42 (1,182 days old) by StuftRock1 (Kentucky) |
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Direct drives use too much water
I don't know how anyone could think that. Direct drives, if using the correct load size, use the perfect amount of water required to get the job done right and in a timely manner. The only thing good about newer he toploaders is the spin speed, but the high price and pitiful dependability completely negate that.
If you live in an area where water is expensive or scarce and that is a major issue for you, then get a front loader. Don't bother with these HE toploader pieces of junk. | ||
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Post# 1106129 , Reply# 14 1/28/2021 at 15:45 (1,182 days old) by lotsosudz (Sacramento, CA) |
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I agree with Bob | ||
| Post# 1106202 , Reply# 16 1/29/2021 at 19:20 (1,181 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Sometimes I wonder why they even bothered with HE top loaders or HE front loaders for that matter. None have really been good in my experience, and I don’t see the point in investing in something that’s essentially a lemon and has poor washing and rinsing performance and takes forever to get a a load of laundry done.
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