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Post# 1107021   2/6/2021 at 15:37 (1,172 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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I ran across this vintage Hoover film last night and thought it might be interesting to some. It's a bit corny, well a lot corny, but I found it interesting how the neighbor lady explains to the housewife how to load the clothes into the twin tub to ensure no air gets trapped in them. It also seems a bit odd to call it "automatic" when there is very little automatic in the whole process

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Post# 1107050 , Reply# 1   2/6/2021 at 19:13 (1,172 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)        

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Pete,

I watched the video...it is corny. If you don't have a washing machine and are washing your clothes using a washboard...then yes, the twin tub is automatic :-)

Gary


Post# 1107064 , Reply# 2   2/6/2021 at 21:07 (1,172 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Compared to this that Hoover TT must have seemed like heaven.





That being said would consider things a toss up between a Hoover TT and wringer washer.

Hoover and other twin tubs with spin driers extracted more water than a mangle/wringer. But that "boil wash" action of Hoover's impeller wash system left one with a tangled mess if not careful

Anything but sheets from the nursery or maybe up to twin (perhaps matrimonial) are hopeless in a Hoover TT (I've tried... *LOL*).

It was an American foisting those Hoover TT's on British housewives. Hahahaha....












We've been down this road before, but it is wort again pointing out the irony of British housewives being saddled with semi-automatic washers as state of art post WWII. Meanwhile across the pond Americans were ditching wringer and other semi automatic washers for fully automatic soon as they could manage.


Post# 1107067 , Reply# 3   2/6/2021 at 21:19 (1,172 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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How Madison Avenue to call it "Hoovermatic" when the only thing "matic" about it

was it would stop when the windup timer hit zero.


Post# 1107068 , Reply# 4   2/6/2021 at 21:36 (1,172 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Well you're not using a dolly stick and tub along with mangle, so suppose there is some automatic washing with a Hoover TT.

Cannot be stressed strongly enough many were still doing laundry basically by hand in GB WWII ended (see film clip above).

Of course not fully automatic, even semi sort of machines (wringers, twin tubs) let one get on with other things while machine washed or rinsed. This as opposed to one standing there doing the work oneself.


Post# 1107177 , Reply# 5   2/7/2021 at 20:43 (1,171 days old) by iej (.... )        

Sounds like they were trying to claim to be automatic when that was far beyond those machines. They were as well spun as a contemporary unlimited* mobile data plan.

*limits may apply.

It’s amazing though how society changed, or at least how it is portrayed has changed. Perhaps I had a more enlightened set of grandparents than some, but I know my grandad always took part in doing the housework - mopping floors, vacuuming, doing laundry and cooking etc etc.

I remember being babysat in the 1980: and they were a couple both born in the 1920s, so probably a similar age the housewife in that film, but the household stuff was very much something everyone did and my grandmother also got fairly heavily into DIY and gardening. Wasn’t unusual to see the two of them in the middle of projects like painting, decorating, even plumbing and electrical stuff. There wasn’t really a “man’s” vs “woman’s” work and from what I gather from my mom that’s just how they always did things. Both of them worked & both just split the household stuff amongst the household.

They’d have had an automatic washer from the soonest that they were available, which is a long time before I was around.

They oldest machines I remember them having were a 1970s Bendix Autowasher Deluxe & Autodryer Deluxe matching pair.

However, I think if my grandad has spoken to my grandmother like that, ironed collars would have been the least of his concerns!


Post# 1107371 , Reply# 6   2/9/2021 at 14:34 (1,169 days old) by rpms (ontario canada)        

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Could a twin type Hoover with the pulsator handle a standard pillow?

Post# 1107408 , Reply# 7   2/9/2021 at 20:49 (1,169 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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No, they cannot. If you're speaking of down filled pillows you'd have to smash them down to get air out and filling wet. Otherwise the thing won't be dragged down by "boil wash" action. Instead would just float on top of water.

Post# 1107418 , Reply# 8   2/9/2021 at 22:33 (1,169 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
To Be Fair

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Wasn't exactly fault of British housewives they were saddled with various semi-automatic washing machines well into 1960's. Large portion of blame could be laid at feet of government, labor, advertising and other forces that in so many ways left British housewives (and women in general) streets behind her sisters elsewhere in the west.









Britain had not only to rebuild post WWII, but had to pay costs associated with that war. Mantra for a few decades after was "export or die". Conversely opposite was also true which curbed imports.

In an odd twist Canadian households held onto wringer washers and other semi-automatics far longer than USA or elsewhere in west as well. Late as 1968 wringer washers out sold automatics in Canada by a decent margin. This explains why so many wringer washers, some in very good to nearly new condition, routinely pop up on CL, eBay, Kijiji, and other sources.

No, a Hoover TT wasn't automatic, and in some ways rather a pain on wash day. But as stated for many the alternative was doing wash by hand or going down to a public wash house/laundry.




















Post# 1126328 , Reply# 9   8/20/2021 at 05:41 (978 days old) by iej (.... )        

It was also just a rather dogmatic policy on currency, trade that didn't really add up and protectionism around a group of local manufacturers who hadn't innovated and had a captive market.

Without going into to the depth of politics, the dawn of affordable automatic washing machines in the UK largely came about when the country joined what was then EEC in 1974, which opened up a lot of access to white goods, especially from Italian manufacturers, removing some (not all, as the European single market evolved and only competed in 1993).

It's certainly not unique to the UK, but it's hard to underestimate or even understand from a modern perspective, just how extremely protectionist many European countries were in the old days and they were much smaller markets than the USA, so were far less dynamic, even if the USA in that era had similar external barriers, its internal market was huge.

There wasn't a policy of international rules based trade, competition want really seen in the way we see it today and countries regularly put in direct legislative barriers, tarrifs, complex and very deliberate technical barriers to keep competition out and to support domestic "national champions" to maintain employment.

If you were a British manufacturer in the 1950s and 60s there really wasn't any pressure to compete outside that bubble of top loading semi automatics (and I would include Hoover UK as a big part of that bubble, despite its American ownership at the time.) There was a captive domestic market that was easily satisfied with basic machines, sold at high prices.

You also had to source materials, components etc entirely domestically, or pay a lot of tarrifs. That also hampered innovation. For example, if you had to manufacture all your on cam switch controllers, rather than buy them from a large expert coming that had the economies of scale, costs go up and innovation isn't easy as you don't have the specialisms.

The market opened and along came the Italians: Indesit, Zanussi, Ariston, as well as companies like Bosch etc etc from Germany. Philips from the Netherlands and others.
You also saw highly successful Italian machines under various local branding, like the Bendix Aurowasher Deluxe, made and designed by Philco in Italy and Riber's highly successful washer-dryer, sold in the late 70s as the Coleston 850XD.

Internal barriers were removed bit by bit and technical barriers were lightened and then eliminated through harmonisation of standards.

All of a sudden the European market started to develop the scale of the US and with that came a lot of innovation and consumer access to much broader ranges of products.

There were some very successful UK manufacturers that did innovate rapidly in the 1970s, Hoover UK and GEC/Hotpoint, Servis and Creda etc did very well, but their innovation was driven by competition driving the market forward, technology expectations went up and prices became much more reasonable. Some of them didn't survive though and at this stage they're just brands owned by multinationals.

I'm not saying there were no UK automatics before that point but they were often very, very expensive and many were not very reliable. The original Keymatic from Hoover was nearly the price of a small car and notoriously trouble prone and was one of those weird products trying to reinvent the wheel.

English Electric Liberator (GEC) and the Hotpoints that followed in the 1970s and the Hoover Matchbox machines were really the start of the British automatic washer mass market. That was very much driven by exposure to innovation from continental manufacturers and especially Italy as those very competitive imported machines that were already making automatic laundry and dishwasher technology etc accessible and affordable to millions upon millions of households across Europe in the 1960s.

The world's changed a lot since the mid 20th C - consumer choice has been expanded enormously, so has access to technology. On the other side of it, there's been a steady drift of manufacturing jobs and many of those models of business are continuing to change and move.

I'm not arguing the rights and wrongs of it, other than to just say that from a consumer point of view choice has increased enormously.


Post# 1126555 , Reply# 10   8/21/2021 at 23:14 (976 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
What a great post!

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Thank you for sharing.....




Post# 1126556 , Reply# 11   8/21/2021 at 23:20 (976 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
And you're right of course...

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Post WWII American manufacturers had not only internal market but much of entire world (Europe, Asia) was their oyster as well. We were the only economy not dealing with rebuilding bombed out cities etc... Dealing with massive displacement of persons, and so forth.

By 1970's though that heyday began to erode as Asian and European goods began to reach America. Results are seen today in "rust belt" areas and elsewhere in USA as market after manufacturing market either declined or packed up and moved.

Textiles, electronics, automobile, white goods, small appliances, etc... the lot. Things once built in USA now largely come from overseas.

Recently had to purchase a new computer, and stuck with Dell for whatever reasons. My first Dell computer still runs and was built like a tank on demand here in USA. Fast forward to my third which arrived with sticker saying it was assembled in Mexico with parts from China..... I give it about two or three years before it will be pushing up daisies and need replacement.


Post# 1126585 , Reply# 12   8/22/2021 at 10:58 (976 days old) by iej (.... )        

WWII obviously played a huge part, but the level of protectionism is quite hard to even understand from the perspective of 2020, and the same applied in the USA, but it was a HUGE internal market. 

 

If you could imagine a USA where if a washing machine was made in say Texas, you had to pay a large tariff and set up a subsidiary in NY to sell it there and comply with a whole raft of different technical standards, that were designed to keep competitors out, that's how Europe was well into the 1970s. 

 

Even after Brexit, it's highly unlikely to ever return to that level of protectionism.

 

There were all sorts of smaller manufacturers of laundry appliances in most countries, and the majority of them were absorbed and disappeared. If you look at the UK or France for example, the domestic machines vanished and those brands like Hotpoint, Creda, Hoover UK (although that was a multinational to begin with), Laden, Vedette, Scholtès, Brandt etc all disappeared into bigger groups as the market consolidated through the 1970s, 80s, 90s.

 

Other European companies that were big players abandoned white goods : Philips for example selling that division to Whirlpool. The most recent is Siemens, which has given up on consumer goods and is just licensing its brand to BSH, which it no longer owns.

 

Basically from a European perspective, all that's left now is:

The Electrolux Group (Sweden) - Electrolux, AEG*, Zanussi (and several other brands)

BSH (Germany) - Bosch, Siemens*, Neff etc

a number of smaller independents, notably Miele (Germany),  SMEG (Italy) etc and the rest of the big brands are multinational.

 

*brand under licence.

 

Indesit (Ariston (IT) /Hotpoint (GB) /Scholtès (FR) / Merloni (IT)) (Italy)- is owned by Whirlpool (US)

Hoover/Candy (Italy) is now owned by Haier (China)

Groupe Brandt (includes De Dietrich name under license, as well as several other French brands and Spanish brand Fagor) is owned by a conglomerate called Cevital (Algeria)

Blomberg - Beko/Arçelik (Turkey) 

ASKO (Sweden) -> Gorenje (Slovenia) -> Gorenje - Hisense (China)

 

Samsung, and to a lesser extent LG, have made a big splash in the laundry market in Europe and I would say Samsung is now dominant in refrigeration in many countries in Europe. To be fair to both companies, they pushed in on innovation and actually did drive a lot of interesting features. I would say Samsung in particular has changed the shape and size of European fridges and has definitely pushed out some of the more conservative designs of washers, much as it had a big impact in the US too in a similar way.

 

Most small appliance manufacturing, regardless of who owns the brands, is gone to the far east, notably China but elsewhere too. It's relatively rare to find a small appliance made in the EU (or UK or anywhere in Europe) anymore. There are some noteworthy, mostly high end exceptions, but the vast majority of those kinds of goods are no longer made in the EU.


Post# 1126588 , Reply# 13   8/22/2021 at 12:24 (975 days old) by iej (.... )        
Starchy old ESB film from 1961 in Ireland

This was produced as part of the Rural Electrification Scheme, which was still very much running as an active programme in the 1960s:

 

The presenter, or at least the presentation style they used, would make Hyacinth Bucket seem a little rough around the edges - filmed at the RDS in Dublin, which is a bit of a horsey institution, but is still a major exhibition centre for various events.

 

Frances Condell went on to be Mayor of Limerick City twice, and met JFK, granting him Freedom of the City. Pic: www.independent.ie/irish-...

 

 

Some nice footage of their model rural cottage. It's a little twee, but interesting - there's a lot of show jumping stuff before it gets going, but some insight into 1961 domestic appliances follows...

 




 

UK viewers might notice the use of continental type 'Schuko' socket outlets here in the 1960s - and quite different cooker isolators and so on.

 

The current rectangular pin plugs were only adopted here after that period.

 

 


Post# 1126699 , Reply# 14   8/24/2021 at 02:15 (974 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
1961?

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Its a very interesting video but it most certainly not 1961, more like 1966 or 1967

Cooker and fridge by GEC, laundry equipment English Electric. Mixer is a Burco Mix, the ubiquitous Sunbeam pan and the iron (with what looks like round pin 15amp plug again GEC.

Here is another from ESB






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Post# 1126720 , Reply# 15   8/24/2021 at 17:06 (973 days old) by iej (.... )        

It was definitely 1961 based on the history of her career. She wouldn’t have been doing that while in politics later on and that’s a very serious archive, so it’s highly unlikely the dates aren’t accurate.

esbarchives.ie/2018/11/14/modern...

Presentation style is also very much turn of the 1960s, and still has a 1950s vibe to it.

The look like English Electric Liberator machines, which were introduced in 1960, so would make sense that ESB had them on display.

We’d primarily 16amp Schuko sockets, but 15amp BS 546 slipped into use. The smaller sizes of BS546 weren’t really used at all (5amp and 2amp), as in it was a used as direct equivalent to Schuko.

The present day, fused 13 amp BS1363 plug and socket system was only adopted around 1965 and wasn’t generally used with ring circuits. They usually sit on 16 or 20amp radials, or sometimes 20amp rings, without any uprating of cable capacity, rather we just use the feed from both ends to reduce voltage drop on long runs, but not 32amp circuits. It’s a slightly more conservative wiring system in some ways.

Fusing was done with Siemens type Diazed or Neozed cartridge fuses. There’s still typically one main fuse/switch on modern panels.

Also RCDs were made mandatory on sockets around 1980 and had come into use in the 1970s on an optional basis. Earthing etc is pretty similar to the U.K.

Also some other minor differences like twin and earth cable isn’t allowed. The earth conductor has to be the same size as the current carrying conductors, and be insulated. You’d also find a lot of wiring, especially from the 60s, 70s and 80s was done with double insulated singles, rather than multicore cable.

There’s a fuse board from an Irish home from, dating from about 1980. The lever device is a 30mA RCD and the modern RCBO is a later addition for an electric shower, but they were DIN rail modules for many, many years.




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Post# 1126722 , Reply# 16   8/24/2021 at 17:20 (973 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        


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That particular English Electric machine was not introduced until the mid 1960s - yes there was a Liberator washer from 1960 just not this one! The earlier model had the programme dial and programme selector on the front, not the top also had a door resembling that of the Westinghouse Space Mate as did the dryer which also has been updated with the later style door. And the cooker is not of the style of 1961 but later in the 1960s

The Liberator of 1961 would have looked like this one






Post# 1126723 , Reply# 17   8/24/2021 at 17:41 (973 days old) by iej (.... )        

It’s possibly they’re off by a few years, unless they’d some preview of a model before it was released for the sake of an “ideal homes expo”? Perhaps it was an English Electric prototype of upcoming models used for demo purposes or something odd. Not sure how long the lead time would have been on those machines, but wouldn’t be beyond the realms of possibility that it wasn’t an available machine but was a preview: Just seems to make little sense based on what the presenter was up to in the mid 60s. She’s have been a sitting Mayor, I’d assume would have been introduced with the title. They could be out by 3 years but, just seems odd that they would be, especially with a film they would have commissioned themselves. That being said, not a lot of people pay that much attention to the details of appliances.

 

The plug/socket thing in Ireland is kinda hard to date. There was a crossover period in the 1960s when BS1363 and Schuko were being installed and were largely down to the preference of the contractor. I think similar happened in the UK for a period too, even though BS1363 actually dates from 1947, it seems there were still plenty of BS546 round pin installations going on in the 50s and 60s.

 

The 15amp BS546 round pin UK plug did find some use here in the 1950s/60s, but I guess in much the same way there was a bunch of standards used in the UK for a while .. Wylex plugs and all sorts of weird stuff before BS1363 was mandated.

 

The change over to BS1363 was long complete before I was born, so I've actually never seen an old installation in use, other than just the old dead relic of a Schuko socket still on a wall somewhere. You'd certainly see installations from the 1960s that already had it in use, so I guess it just phased in.




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