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Thread Number: 86526
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| Post# 1110970 , Reply# 1 3/11/2021 at 15:49 (1,134 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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Post# 1110974 , Reply# 2 3/11/2021 at 16:10 (1,134 days old) by chachp  (North Little Rock, AR) |
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| Post# 1110975 , Reply# 3 3/11/2021 at 16:11 (1,134 days old) by aubrey (MT) | ||
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Thanks! Do the Miele's hold up well? Even the new ones? Do you have a specific model that you like the most? | ||
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Post# 1110978 , Reply# 4 3/11/2021 at 16:50 (1,134 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio) |
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LG manufactured Kenmore 41982 Just purchased it within the last month. Loving it despite the learning curve. I recommend trying to get your hands on one! Of course Miele is great too! | ||
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Post# 1110979 , Reply# 5 3/11/2021 at 16:52 (1,134 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Erinn, what types of things are you wanting to wash that don't fit in the SQ TLer? That would give me an idea of the volume you need. The SQ FLer volume is 3.5 cu. ft. My current Whirlpool Duet is 4.3-4.5 cu. ft. I have a very thick queen size bed spread and it fits in just barely. I used to have a 3.0 cu. ft. direct drive Lady Kenmore and with me adding extra water all the way to the top of the tub, it really didn't move much. I had to stuff it n the washer.
Otherwise a 5.0 or 5.2 cu. ft. LG with Turbo Wash 360. | ||
| Post# 1110981 , Reply# 6 3/11/2021 at 17:01 (1,134 days old) by aubrey (MT) | ||
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Primarily big blankets and our king bed duvet/cover/sheets. But I also like that front loaders wash more delicately for when you need to wash certain items more gently. So overall we need a tub that's a bit bigger than our Speed Queen. | ||
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Post# 1110982 , Reply# 7 3/11/2021 at 17:03 (1,134 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 1110985 , Reply# 8 3/11/2021 at 17:31 (1,134 days old) by aubrey (MT) | ||
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Thank you for the helpful advice! | ||
| Post# 1111086 , Reply# 9 3/12/2021 at 14:14 (1,133 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan) | ||
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The tub bearings only last the 20 years on the most expensive Miele's. Otherwise they are as durable as a Samsung or an LG. That Miele will set you back about $4,000.00 U.S. | ||
| Post# 1111184 , Reply# 11 3/12/2021 at 23:07 (1,133 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas) | ||
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| Post# 1111191 , Reply# 12 3/13/2021 at 02:42 (1,133 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
We have an LG WM8100 that was bought new last year. I like using it, it's been quite nice so far. However I were to buy a front load washer and dryer again today, this time I would get the Speed Queen FR7.
speedqueen.com/why-a-speed-queen...
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Post# 1111200 , Reply# 13 3/13/2021 at 07:40 (1,133 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Best 2nd Washer For You Hi Erinn, I would get a Speed Queen FL machine, you all ready have the best current TL option why not get the best FL washer EVER sold for homes in the United States.
The SQ will let you wash King Sized conformers easily, yes there are even bigger FL washers out there but you can not fill them up like the SQ and have them last very long.
I got a new SS SQ FL washer last November and love it, the only problem is not being able to generate enough laundry to fill it very often.
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| Post# 1111208 , Reply# 14 3/13/2021 at 09:19 (1,133 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD) | ||
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reply 13 is a good answer... ...for reasons of "coolness"quality and utility.If a used large FL is something you would consider,and you can do DIY repairs on an old machine,I have had very good luck and results with a 2001 vintage KM HE3/WP Duet. | ||
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Post# 1111212 , Reply# 15 3/13/2021 at 09:27 (1,133 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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 Speed Queen front-loader, hands down the best built washer on the market now.
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| Post# 1111251 , Reply# 17 3/13/2021 at 15:40 (1,132 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
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I've used the steam setting on our LG a few times, I honestly didn't find much of a difference between that and having straight hot water coming from our hot water tank. Plus I think it's just an extra thing that could break in the washer from over time, that's one of the reasons why I would recommend SQ over LG.
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Post# 1111266 , Reply# 18 3/13/2021 at 17:07 (1,132 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.) |
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about $800
Is there some reason not to consider a Duet?
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Post# 1111267 , Reply# 19 3/13/2021 at 17:09 (1,132 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.) |
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the Amana Version ?
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Post# 1111268 , Reply# 20 3/13/2021 at 17:15 (1,132 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.) |
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Post# 1111272 , Reply# 21 3/13/2021 at 17:47 (1,132 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 1111275 , Reply# 22 3/13/2021 at 18:26 (1,132 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.) |
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did I miss a zoom meeting on this? | ||
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Post# 1111282 , Reply# 24 3/13/2021 at 19:27 (1,132 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.) |
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There's absolutely nothing wrong with asking the question you did Aubrey. The more specific the better. If steam will work better than or equal to bleach than yes, that's a good thing.
I did not see the note about the internal water heater. Bob is there with the facts and I so appreciate that. He updated me in another thread about Maytag Fabric-matic washers earlier today, Thank-you. I've heard of the steam washers and dryers but never used. I will need to get up to date on that. That being said: I'm partial to the Duet mainly because that's what I've always had. And the new one above has a removable drawer where one can access the pump filter which was my only real complaint in the past. However, Bob is going to tell us about the other "shortcomings" and he will be correct and won't even be smug about it. Bob why are you GOALS? | ||
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Post# 1111287 , Reply# 25 3/13/2021 at 21:02 (1,132 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Well, having lived with my Duet 9 years and 3 months featuring stain treat, steam, Allergy, and Sanitize cycles, I have come accustomed to NOT having to use LCB, I no longer have to search each garment for stains and treat said stains (which usually took me the time the DD LK completed a cycle). My first FLer was a Frigidaire without a heater. I have an all-electric house and it gets so expensive to have that set above 120-125F at the most. The Frigidaire didn't deal with stained aundry much better than the DD top loader. Now, I've enjoyed the "luxury" of selecting cycles and options that effectively deal with a variety and types of stains that when needed can heat gradually from lukewarm to Hot, Allergy, and Sanitize temperatures. I'm still trying to wrap my head around not being able to deal with my very difficult stains and having a washer that doesn't have an onboard heater. To me, it's uncivilized. I'd hate to spend $2000 for a Speed Queen front loader and end up miserable because it won't effectively deal with my stains and sanitize items when appropriate. And I don't believe garments can be "sanitized with Oxi". Laundry cannot always be done via wham bamb thank you mayam speed. If I had to resort to soaking, I'd much rather have a machine that was maintaining or increasing water temperatures and tumbling than just sitting and soaking (been there done that for 25 years. to put it bluntly, have someone from Speed Queen get their butt down here to my house with their front loader and prove me 1000% wrong with the constraints/guidelines of my life/laundry. I don't experience any "stink", smell, odor that I hear people complaining about with their HE washer. But then again, I don't wash in cold water. I wash with top notch detergents and select wash times and temperatures appropriate. I've used my "Normal" (energy star certified cycle) and opted for hot water and normal soil level. This is the only cycle that I smell a dirty laundry smell coming out of the vents in the back of the washer during the spin after the wash cycle. I've even checked fabric temperature after wash water drains. IN the 10-12 minutes of wash for this cycle, garments are tepid temperature at best. I don't experience this issue when I use cycles with heater maintaining water temperature and similar 10-12 minute wash.
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| Post# 1111288 , Reply# 26 3/13/2021 at 21:03 (1,132 days old) by aubrey (MT) | ||
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I'm curious about the Duet you mentioned. What are your thoughts on it? | ||
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Post# 1111289 , Reply# 27 3/13/2021 at 21:15 (1,132 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Whirlpool no longer uses Duet as a brand name for their front loaders. I still personally think they are the only front loader with the degree of flexibility of fabric/garment cycles coupled with being able to select steam and or sanitize with all those fabric cycles. 60 years ago I learned to do laundry the Whirlpool/Kenmore way. Fabrics deserve the appropriate cycle for regular, wrinkle free (wash & wear) and delicates with agitation (tumble) and spin speeds as appropriate, along with flexible water temps. The Duet I bought at the end of November 2011 met those needs. I'm extremely picky about doing laundry. Unless SQ could prove me wrong, having a SQ would be like going back to my old Frigidaire, but better quality. I always select cycles whereby the onboard heater is used. Generally delicates don't need it, but I have had times where I've still needed it for those garments and selected a cycle with a mediu9m speed tumble pattern. Like a pair of tan kakhis that had a significant blood stain that sat for 2 weeks. Tide with bleach alternative and stain treat with steam, and warm wash temp the stain was totally removed. Similar results with cloth napkins and kitchen cleaning rags, but selecting stain treat and sanitize temp--heating from luke warm to extra hot by the time it gets through steam phase.
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| Post# 1111291 , Reply# 28 3/13/2021 at 21:50 (1,132 days old) by aubrey (MT) | ||
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Very informative appnut, you have me wondering.. is there ANY front loader you would recommend that is brand new on the market right now that would live up tp your expectations?? | ||
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Post# 1111300 , Reply# 29 3/13/2021 at 23:49 (1,132 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 1111301 , Reply# 30 3/14/2021 at 00:49 (1,132 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.)) |
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Speed Queen FL!
There is no better washer EVER made for the domestic market. If you need a washer that can process quickly and thoroughly large amounts of laundry in a domestic setting on a continuous basis there is no better choice.
Also if you are looking for something dependable to avoid service calls as you can not fix the machine yourself nothing other than a SQ FL will be nearly as reliable. There is a reason that the Coin-Op version (mechanically identical) of this machine is so popular in Laundromats, Dorms, Apt. houses. WK78 | ||
| Post# 1111304 , Reply# 31 3/14/2021 at 01:36 (1,132 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
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If you're still having trouble on deciding what new front load washer would be best suited for you, I would suggest to call up your nearest appliance or laundry technician and see what they would recommend for your needs. That's what we did when we had both our old washer and dryer replaced. Our technician recommended LG because that was one of their least repaired brands that they've fixed as of last year and they were also ranked one of the better performing front load washers out in the market. From what I recalled when we asked about other brands to them, Samsung was another brand that they've liked. Whirlpool's front loaders and their other brands they own were okay. And GE not so much. I did used a Electrolux front loader last year and I thought it was trash. So that's how we ended up with the LG WM8100. Overall we've been really pleased with it. Now again if I were to buy another new front load washer today, only this time it's going to be the Speed Queen. Personally I'd rather have something that would last the longest, I think they're arguably the most reliable front loader out in the market today. I mean I do trust that the LG would last for quite a while but I would bet that the Speed Queen would outlast it, I wouldn't be surprised when the LG starts to break after it's 10 year warranty is up. So far my only criticism with LG overall was we had trouble with the company on fixing our stove shortly after buying it around the same time as when we bought the laundry set, that's another reason why I would be leaning towards on getting the Speed Queen as our next set. Another tip is to watch some of these review videos on YouTube from a technician who's also a member on here. So overall if I were to recommend a new large front load washer to anyone, this is what I would personally suggest. If you care about features mostly, then I would suggest to look into LG. But if you care about reliability mostly, then I would suggest to look into Speed Queen. Either way, both of these machines would be excellent at getting laundry clean.
With these two videos down below, both of these I believe still apply to it's newer models today. You can still buy the Speed Queen, they're not discontinued anymore. And the LG is pretty much the same machine as their newer ones including mine. | ||
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Post# 1111313 , Reply# 32 3/14/2021 at 07:23 (1,132 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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New SQ Front Load Washers | ||
| Post# 1111337 , Reply# 33 3/14/2021 at 11:34 (1,132 days old) by Aquarius1984 (Planet earth) | ||
Heaters
Like Bob said, an internal heater is essential.
It’s what makes European machines superior to the rest of the world. It’s very clear standards differ in each country but it’s safe to say that our heated machines are the best for performance. What passes for clean in America from the likes of the SQ front loaders and Toploaders from all manufacturers is what we expect as results from a cycle designed for refreshing lightly soiled or unsoiled items. It’s just the standards that you’ve all been programmed to think are good but we realised over 60 years ago that machines need heaters to actually clean. LG with heaters are definitely the way to go. | ||
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Post# 1111350 , Reply# 34 3/14/2021 at 12:17 (1,132 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.) |
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Well also there were, and apparently still are, a larger portion of homes that don't have a hot water heater compared to the U.S. So it became necessary to install heaters in washer and diswashers in order to get sanitary results.
If the EU countries had learned to be energy gobbling pigs like us here in the U.S. where we burn through 25% of the worlds energy resources a year even though we only have 4% of the worlds population, perhaps you wouldn't need a water heater in your washers. | ||
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Post# 1111424 , Reply# 36 3/14/2021 at 22:35 (1,131 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.) |
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Post# 1111435 , Reply# 38 3/14/2021 at 23:18 (1,131 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 1111447 , Reply# 39 3/15/2021 at 05:35 (1,131 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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I can understand the reluctance of buying a Miele in the USA. From all the things I have read about Miele, customer service is not op to par with the customer service you may expect from a company that sells such expensive machines. Miele's are way cheaper here and the service is excellent. That makes a difference. I guess it makes sense to buy a machine that is widely available and that is easy to get service for. It's like buying a Speed Queen in Europe, more expensive and customer service is more difficult to get.
There are work arounds for not having a water heater in a machine, but it's just not the same. A heating element not only heats the water but also maintains it for a certain amount of time. My Siemens keeps the temperature at 140F for an hour when the Allergy cycle is used to make sure that dustmites are killed. Not every machine here has it, but mine has a stain option that heats the water first to 105F or there about and maintaining it there for a while and then heats it up to a higher temperature when selected. In that way the enzymes can do there work best and later in the wash cycle the oxygen bleach can do it's work better when the higher temperature is achieved. | ||
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Post# 1111455 , Reply# 40 3/15/2021 at 07:51 (1,131 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Reply #37 The Miele is a very good washer, But way too small for washing king sized comforters etc, I though one of your stated needs was to be able to wash large items and loads.
The SQ FL washer does a MUCH larger load than their TL washer, When you compare capacity of a FL to TL washer you can actually wash twice as much laundry properly in the same size tub in a FL machine.
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| Post# 1111468 , Reply# 42 3/15/2021 at 09:44 (1,131 days old) by Aquarius1984 (Planet earth) | ||
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While I know the comment about water heaters / hot water supplies was only from
An attention seeking troll id just like to point out to the better members of this forum that this is not the case at least here in the UK Running hot water supplies in both kitchens and bathrooms is the absolute norm here. Only in certain applications are individual above sink water heaters used. Usually when a cold supply is easily accessible but there’s no need for a proper boiler or it’s more awkward to route a hot supply from the main hot supply. It is actually a legal requirement for rental residential homes and hotels/ accommodation/ care homes / businesses of all kinds to provide hot water in its bathrooms, and hand washing facilities no matter what kind of business it is. Privately owned homes these days almost always have a hot water supply in some form however that home owner finds it convenient for them to install or use. In fact when buying a house the methods of hot water provision will be pointed out by the estate agent and confirmed on a survey prior to house sale. Sure you don’t need a private home to have hot water provisions but most people are not sadistic enough to relish cold water to bathe in, or wash dishes by hand or whatever. It is the norm in households and it’s safe to say that over 99% of UK homes will have hot water provisions at all the points of use required. | ||
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Post# 1111481 , Reply# 43 3/15/2021 at 10:43 (1,131 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.) |
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darn-it those washerland trolls AGAIN ....but there was a time. With less than 50% having baths in 1950 that number didn't change overnight.
Automatic washers and dishwashers were in full production in the U.S. and other countries were not ready to use ones without a heater. From what I've seen, only in the last 10 years have UK fallen in love with dishwashers the way the U.S. did in the 1970s.
Now if only UK could grasp the concept of WINDOW SCREENs, something the U.S. has had since oh-h-h..... The Civil War of the 1800s.
Oh those darn trolls. Those darn energy wasting trolls. CLICK HERE TO GO TO bradfordwhite's LINK
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Post# 1111484 , Reply# 44 3/15/2021 at 11:06 (1,131 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.) |
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1960 UK In 1960 UK had total population of about 52 million.
If a "family" unit consisted of say 4 people back then, we do the math 5mill x 4 = 20 million people
It's not a crime that different countries have evolved at different rates.
It's also not a trolls fault..... OR is it? hmmmmmm? CLICK HERE TO GO TO bradfordwhite's LINK
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Post# 1111488 , Reply# 45 3/15/2021 at 11:35 (1,131 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.) |
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1992 A quick look at 1992 UK before we get back to the subject at hand.
This story was written of 1992 UK and not of 1962 U.S. I love it. I actually weirdly like UK, once considered moving to this tiny island country.
Only in 1992 were Brits beginning to accept the concept of taking showers. And there were other concerns I hadn't heard of that being unreliable and weak water pressure.
I still remember watching several UK shows from the 70s and 80s that reference the tank in the attic. Specifically 1980s "To the Manor Born" where they had to deal with the finding of a bird that died in their water tank and Penelope's character says something like "....I have to bath in that water" eww. An OPEN tank. Unheard of.
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