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Post# 1111403   3/14/2021 at 21:20 (1,132 days old) by casciomichael (Rutherford)        

Hello everyone,

I would like to introduce myself. My name is Mike and I am a collector of many things. Vintage appliances has become one of my new hobbies. To complete my cross section of vintage appliances, I was looking for a vintage washer and dryer. I settled on Maytag for their decent looks, durability and availability of parts. I figured a pair of 806’s would fit the bill, my only dilemma is that a gas dryer was necessary. Vintage gas dryers are very hard to come by on the east coast, it appears that most people used electric in my area. On shoppers square an aw member oldskool was selling off some of his collection. He had several pairs of 806’s with dg808 big load dryers. We struck a deal and made arrangements to have them shipped. These machines were DD’d by oldskool for several years but have been in storage for the last 5-6 yrs. I figured some things would need to be done to put them in top shape but not a total restoration. I cleaned the dryer thoroughly, it was mosty clogged with lint and oiled the motor and tensioner. The performance of the dryer is very impressive.

The washer on the other hand has been giving me fits, it was rumbling horribly on the platform that my former washer sat on. I should have listened to my fellow aw friends who said get it off the wood at square one but I was not convinced! I ended up leveling the chassis and them attemped to adjust the balancing springs to no avail. Then I cleaned and relubed the damper pads which I thought helped a bit. The problem was still there. Also I corrected a pesky leak a the injector and the tub seal was leaking in the first few loads but then stopped. After a couple of lost days, I moved the machine to a concrete surface where I could test spin out. Much to my surprise, it didnt rumble! I said to my self, “they were right all along”.

After this discovery I balanced rhe springs as per the service manual. Also I managed to pull the agitator off to inspect the spanner nut and seal. It took two moving straps, boiling hot water and a 5 foot long 2x4 to get that thing off!!! Things didnt look too bad under there, i cleaned up the rust and put some grease on the shaft so next time will be easier. After all was said and done I can hear a clatter faintly when agitating and louder while the machine is spinning up. After it reaches full spin, it goes away. It is coming from under the machine by the pulley area. I pulled the pulley and inspected the thrust bearing, it seems like it is a bit loose to me but its a ball bearing and its not in its race with pressure. I cleaned and repacked it but the noise persists. After seeing many of Eugenes videos on You Tube I saw he was putting a dynamat like material inside the machine. I got some On Amazon and gave it a similar treatment. It does really help!

I have a link to the video and was wondering if anybody has heard it before and can confirm or deny my suspicions. Also here are some pictures of my new machines, looking forward to hearing from you all!

Michael


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Post# 1111406 , Reply# 1   3/14/2021 at 21:34 (1,132 days old) by d-jones (Western Pennsylvania (Pittsburgh Area))        

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Just curious. Have you run the washer with the front panel removed while listening for the source of the clatter you’re hearing?

And as a side note, the motor’s sliding carriage looks a little rough. Have you confirmed that it’s able to move freely?


Post# 1111414 , Reply# 2   3/14/2021 at 21:56 (1,132 days old) by casciomichael (Rutherford)        
Motor carriage

Yes the motor carriage looks a little crusty, the springs have good tension and it agitates and comes up to spin pretty quickly. I squirted some oil on the rollers for good measure but it was moving freely. I have run the machine with the cover on and off and this noise is coming from under the machine. I just dont know if this is something I should be worried about or not.

Post# 1111522 , Reply# 3   3/15/2021 at 15:38 (1,131 days old) by casciomichael (Rutherford)        
Help?

I was hoping to see if anyone knew what this noise is. Link posted to the video here.

On a separate note, I got new maytag rubber feet in the mail today. One of mine was disintegrated. And the others were not too pretty.


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Post# 1111527 , Reply# 4   3/15/2021 at 16:16 (1,131 days old) by Mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)        
Drain Pump Belt

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Check to make sure that the tension on the drain pump belt is no too loose. Just a thought. Have had tons of these Maytag's and never a sound like you are experiencing.

It does sound like the drain pump belt is slapping either the underside of the machine or the "belt guard" attached to the front panel.

Just a thought.

If I were you, I'd do a complete overhaul of such a nice machine. Yeah, it will take some time and elbow grease, but worth it!

--Steven


Post# 1111528 , Reply# 5   3/15/2021 at 16:17 (1,131 days old) by Mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)        
OH

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And Patience!



Post# 1111551 , Reply# 6   3/15/2021 at 17:29 (1,131 days old) by casciomichael (Rutherford)        
Drain Pump Belt?

I just had the machine tilted up and cleaned the belts and pulleys. The trans pulley has a definite wobble to it. The screw is tight. I had the pulley out to inspect the thrust bearing and thought the bearing seems kind of loose. How is that pulley supposed to feel? It does have the star washer under the phillips screw.

I have heard this noise with the front cover/belt guard on or off the machine.


Post# 1111555 , Reply# 7   3/15/2021 at 17:50 (1,131 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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There should be zero play in the pump pulley. Replace the pump.

Post# 1111558 , Reply# 8   3/15/2021 at 18:09 (1,131 days old) by casciomichael (Rutherford)        
Its the trans/drive pulley that wobbles!

The pump pulley feels tight.

Post# 1111570 , Reply# 9   3/15/2021 at 19:14 (1,131 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        
The pump pulley feels tight.

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Whoops, I read that wrong. There should be no play in the motor pulley. Remove the belts and twist the 2 motor pulleys in opposite directions. If they move, it's time for a new one.

Post# 1111572 , Reply# 10   3/15/2021 at 19:23 (1,131 days old) by casciomichael (Rutherford)        
Its the pulley connected to the transmission!!!

Transmission pulley is the one that wobbles not the motor or pump pulley. I have said this a few times already.

Post# 1111574 , Reply# 11   3/15/2021 at 19:29 (1,131 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        

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Could there be something in the pump or in the tub like a nail or a piece of glass that's vibrating?

Post# 1111579 , Reply# 12   3/15/2021 at 19:55 (1,131 days old) by newvista58 (Northern NJ)        
Just a bit of clarification...

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Hey Guys,

I have a set of 806's that I got last year. I am still learning a lot, so I am not the expert to address Mike's problem.

However, the wobble he is referring to is with the "Large" Tub pulley at the center shaft of the machine.
He is asking if anyone has encountered this, or an issue with the thrust bearing it rides against.

I just thought I'd clarify his question, as I would like to know the answer/ info on this issue, since I am going over the belts/pulleys on my A806. Thanks guys.

Louis




Post# 1111581 , Reply# 13   3/15/2021 at 20:09 (1,131 days old) by casciomichael (Rutherford)        
Video of pulley wobbling

Please look at this link of the drive pulley wobbling. Perhaps this will shed some light on this.

Thanks!


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Post# 1111586 , Reply# 14   3/15/2021 at 20:57 (1,131 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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When you put the trans pulley back on, did you set the stop lug with the specified adjustment, per the service manual? Without the preloaded tension on the pulley I could see how it may wobble like that when at the bottom of the helix.

Ben


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Post# 1111598 , Reply# 15   3/15/2021 at 22:24 (1,131 days old) by Good-Shepherd (New Jersey)        
drive pulley wobbling

I checked the pulley on my A712, it has some play in the pulley as well but doesn't knock like yours.

Using your foot or something try putting outward pressure on the the motor slide assembly and listen if the sound changes any.

BTW- I have a very early A806 with the tub light that needs a good home if you're interested.

It's disassemble but all cleaned and ready to go back together.


Post# 1111599 , Reply# 16   3/15/2021 at 22:36 (1,131 days old) by StuftRock1 (Kentucky)        
Very early A806 with tub light

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What color is your A806?

Post# 1111603 , Reply# 17   3/15/2021 at 22:44 (1,131 days old) by Good-Shepherd (New Jersey)        
What color is your A806?

White. 1966 model I believe.

Post# 1111625 , Reply# 18   3/16/2021 at 05:46 (1,131 days old) by casciomichael (Rutherford)        
Locking lug

I am going to recheck the locking lug. I believe it was on wrong when I pulled the pulley and I misunderstood the adjustment. To clarify, I need to turn the pulley clockwise until the tub starts to turn, then position the lug about 1/4-3/8 away from the pulley?



Post# 1111672 , Reply# 19   3/16/2021 at 13:56 (1,130 days old) by latchlock8111 (Sulphur Springs Tx)        
slappin noise

To help isolate ... Put washer is spin with a load of water and NO pump-belt. Still make noise ??

Post# 1111678 , Reply# 20   3/16/2021 at 14:36 (1,130 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        
To clarify...

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Maytag went back and forth on this procedure over the years - either fully turn the pulley until the spring is fully disengaged within the brake, or turn the pulley just enough that it starts to push against the rotor in the brake.

Others probably have their own preferences for this procedure. I typically turn it just enough to just start putting pressure against the brake and install the drive lug (flat side against the pulley), in range of 3/8" clearance against the pulley lug, rather than holding the tub or trans in place with one hand, and attempt to put the drive lug on 180" opposite of the pulley lug with a third hand.

You'll know you got it right if the agitator doesn't start part of it's stroke before the tub begins to spin. If so, try again with a bit less clearance between the two lugs with the pulley against the brake rotor.

Ben


Post# 1111688 , Reply# 21   3/16/2021 at 15:33 (1,130 days old) by casciomichael (Rutherford)        
Thanks for the clarification

I was confused with the procedure as I have seen both. I suspect it was incorrect when i pulled the cover off and it definitely is incorrect now. I am going to try the slight tension method first as it seems easier with only two hands. I will report back.

Post# 1111694 , Reply# 22   3/16/2021 at 16:06 (1,130 days old) by StuftRock1 (Kentucky)        
Reply #17

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Would you be willing to ship it by any chance if the OP is not interested?

Post# 1111698 , Reply# 23   3/16/2021 at 16:47 (1,130 days old) by casciomichael (Rutherford)        
Adjusted lug and maybe found the problem

I adjusted the lug as per spec and I am not getting any indexing on agitate and the spin braking is about 6-7 seconds to a stop.

The noise is still present. I ran it on spin with the pump belt on and the noise is still there. Then decided to see if I could watch it spin up while looking under the machine. I can see the transmission drive belt flapping until it gets up to speed, is this indicative of a bad belt or something else? The belt is a gates replacement belt, green cloth.

Many thanks,
Michael


Post# 1111701 , Reply# 24   3/16/2021 at 17:04 (1,130 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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Whoa, you’re running a non Maytag drive belt? That’s definitely going to be a problem. It’s not slipping/clutching properly. PN 211125.

Ben


Post# 1111706 , Reply# 25   3/16/2021 at 17:24 (1,130 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)        

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Our belt-eating '97 Amana used to make a sort of clicking sound when it was time for yet another replacement.   I agree that the Gates belt could be what's making the noise.  If you can find an OEM belt from Maytag in Newton, it would be worth it.  If not, the current Whirlpool-sourced belt with part number referenced above would be the next best thing.


Post# 1111725 , Reply# 26   3/16/2021 at 19:46 (1,130 days old) by Good-Shepherd (New Jersey)        
willing to ship it by any chance

Yeah, I could do that.

Probably won't be cheap however.


Post# 1111726 , Reply# 27   3/16/2021 at 20:03 (1,130 days old) by StuftRock1 (Kentucky)        

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Awesome! If the OP doesn't want it and it's not too expensive I might take it off your hands.

Post# 1111728 , Reply# 28   3/16/2021 at 20:33 (1,130 days old) by casciomichael (Rutherford)        
Some modifications...

Tonight I wired in a tub light, being a series 2 this was a feature I determined was a must have! Bought a socket with leads from Ebay, got an old three pole switch at an estate sale, epoxied the bracket to the lid. Used a radio punch to put two round holes in the upper tub. Then I filed down the edges and touched up the bare steel with porc a fix. I wired in the additional wires to the unused common terminal on the timer and third lug on the lid switch. I also wired in a lid switch bypass in the event I want to watch the machine wash. I would normally keep this switch off as it bypasses the out of balance circuit. I made a lens out of some plexiglass and set it in with silicone. The bulb is a 25w bayonet base bulb.

Regarding the noise, one of my AW friends who is in the area has some belts for me to try. Hopefully the noise goes away.


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Post# 1111787 , Reply# 29   3/17/2021 at 08:17 (1,130 days old) by casciomichael (Rutherford)        
Hypothesis on the noise

After studying the machine some more, I think the noise is caused by two things. The belt has a flat spot in it cauisng the motor to jerk on spin up. The motor rollers/glides look like they are shot. It has good spring pressure but the motor it moving up and down during the spin up. I ordered new glides and plan on cleaning up the tracks and regreasing them. Check out the video attached and see the rocking of the motor.

Thanks,
Michael


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Post# 1111795 , Reply# 30   3/17/2021 at 09:43 (1,129 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        
Nice tub-light upgrade!

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Michael, great observations. With a new Maytag/FSP sourced drive belt, new glides, and a cleaned up motor carriage with a fresh coat of poly-lube, and a properly adjusted pump belt, your Maytag will be back in tip-top shape.

One recommendation would be to clean the motor and transmission pulley. They don't need to be shining bright, but you'll want to clean off any rust or belt material that was left behind from the Gates belt.

Ben


Post# 1111877 , Reply# 31   3/17/2021 at 23:40 (1,129 days old) by Good-Shepherd (New Jersey)        
moving up and down during the spin up.

Something is worn or loose, the carriage shouldn't have that much vertical play.



Post# 1111920 , Reply# 32   3/18/2021 at 11:14 (1,128 days old) by casciomichael (Rutherford)        
New roller and belts on the way, dryer door repaired

I ordered new motor glides on ebay for $5. It will give me an opportunity to clean up the tracks and grease them with poly lube. One of my aw friends in tbe area is bringing over a set of maytag belts to see if the clatter goes away. I’m moving the machines into their permanent home today and plan on saying good riddance and goodbye to my lg (kenmore) front loaders. Someone else will surely love them!

Also fixed the door liner of the dg808 dryer. Not sure of the series of events, but the door knob was replaced with a regular cabinet knob. That knob has no reinforcing boss that supports the space between the metal door and plastic liner. Consequently, the door liner was broken in several places around the knob area. After super gluing the pieces together and some reinforcement with epoxy, it is back to looking sort of normal. Relaced the knob with a new maytag knob, $8 on ebay.


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Post# 1111971 , Reply# 33   3/18/2021 at 19:26 (1,128 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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when you clean up the motor glides and lube....


shouldn't the motor pulley be mounted flush with the motor shaft?...


Post# 1111976 , Reply# 34   3/18/2021 at 19:45 (1,128 days old) by casciomichael (Rutherford)        
Motor glides and lube

I believe you are correct. Pulley should be flush with the shaft.


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