Thread Number: 86593
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What? No more warm water? |
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Post# 1111885   3/18/2021 at 00:34 (1,106 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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To save the planet, Tide wants you to quit using warm water for laundryCLICK HERE TO GO TO Ultramatic's LINK |
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Post# 1111889 , Reply# 1   3/18/2021 at 00:45 (1,106 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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If you want to use cold water temperature in my 1963 RCA Whirlpool Imperial Mark XII washer it’s too bad so sad since all the temperatures are built in and if you do use cold you’ll have to put up with a 15 to 20 minute fill since the cold water trickles in and that’s because of the thermostatic water valve.
Plus cold water slowly ruins the machine over time and causes a lot of scum and residue to build up in the machine where you can’t see it and eventually it will have a smelly odor after awhile. |
Post# 1111891 , Reply# 2   3/18/2021 at 01:04 (1,106 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 1111892 , Reply# 3   3/18/2021 at 01:53 (1,106 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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I don't currently use Tide products and they certainly won't be getting on cent from me in the future.
Mark my words that habits like these WILL cause a plethora of issues with future washing machines and makers will be held liable for practices beyond their control.....even with their already dumbed down water temps. With that said, I'll continue doing tempered 120F warm washes, spray rinses, and deep rinses. |
Post# 1111896 , Reply# 4   3/18/2021 at 03:44 (1,106 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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HELL NO!!! I will continue to purchase the highest model in the line if it's the only one that still has an on-board heater. Just as I see it as a joke the concept of sanitize with oxy. With all of the scent boosters in Scent beads people use to make their laundry smell better? I think it's because people have such horrible laundry habits and don't know how to do laundry it reeks unless they can make it all perfumy.
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Post# 1111900 , Reply# 5   3/18/2021 at 04:13 (1,106 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 1111902 , Reply# 6   3/18/2021 at 05:34 (1,106 days old) by kimball455 (Cape May, NJ)   |   | |
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Post# 1111906 , Reply# 8   3/18/2021 at 07:17 (1,106 days old) by kenwashesmonday (Carlstadt, NJ)   |   | |
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If I wash a large 40 gallon load in my Maytag with it set to warm, it uses about 9 gallons of hot water. Figuring that it costs about 2¢ a gallon to heat hot water, my cost is 18¢ |
Post# 1111907 , Reply# 9   3/18/2021 at 07:19 (1,106 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 1111912 , Reply# 10   3/18/2021 at 08:53 (1,106 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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What am I ever going to do?
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Post# 1111924 , Reply# 11   3/18/2021 at 12:16 (1,106 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Pretty much all the temperatures on my ‘63 RCA Whirlpool Imperial Mark XII are either hot or warm and the only cold water wash is cycle #4 and that only has a 6 minute wash but will be well over 35 minutes since the water trickles in on the cold setting since it has the thermostatic water valve. All the wash times and temperatures are on the lid instructions.
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Post# 1111925 , Reply# 12   3/18/2021 at 12:22 (1,106 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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i will always use warm water unless its very dark colors only expection where i would use cold water and for bed sheet always will use hot water seen the article as well
www.msn.com/en-ca/news/us... |
Post# 1111927 , Reply# 13   3/18/2021 at 12:51 (1,106 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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The problem with cold water is the temperature varies depending on the season and the area of the country in which you reside.
AW members from the Deep South report that their cold tap water is often 80-90 degrees. That can clean effectively with today’s Tide detergents, although I’d use some stain remover on greasy stains. I like Amway’s classic stain spray. In Minnesota, our cold water is nowhere near 80-90 degrees even in the summer. During our long cold season, cold tap temps often range from 42-50 degrees. That is not going to budge many stains, especially if they are grease-based. Tide’s website used to claim their ColdWater liquid cleans effectively down to around 45 degrees. I tested it at about 65 degrees and cleaning was acceptable. Then I tried it in mid-winter temps in the low to mid 40s and cleaning performance dropped like a rock. If I lived down south, I’d have no problem washing most loads in “cold” water. Up here in the frozen north, no way. |
Post# 1111931 , Reply# 14   3/18/2021 at 13:51 (1,106 days old) by sfh074 ( )   |   | |
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that just ain't right! My millenia knows hot is the only way to wash whites. Taught them well. Warm for most anything else. |
Post# 1111933 , Reply# 15   3/18/2021 at 15:18 (1,106 days old) by robbinsandmyers (Conn)   |   | |
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I'm sick and tired of companies, people, or politicians, all three with either way more money or power than I'll ever have telling me to stop doing so many things people have grown accustomed to in daily life to " save the planet" as they say, while they still live it up in luxury and dont change a thing. Hmmm, does the CEO of Lever or whoever makes Tide have his maids use only cold water now to do his families laundry? DOUBT IT. Don't use hot water, dont use excess electricity, buy fuel efficient cars, energy efficient appliances, etc all to keep our planet cleaner. I love all the sacrifices people in this country and Europe have made for a cleaner planet and air in so many capacities and extra costs. I'm all for having a cleaner and greener planet BUT FFS can the entire planet get on board with it already? You could spend the next 10 years watching all the You Tube videos you like of factories and people in China, Russia, Asia, Middle East etc polluting rivers, air and the ground like its 1909 all over again. Even back yard shops in India or Thailand etc are pouring lead and battery acid right into the ground while they repair radiators in trucks, fabricate various tools and products etc or even rewind armatures for vehicle starters or alternators etc with open burning, cleaning copper windings off with acid then pouring it on the ground. The EPA would have a field day with fines if they went there, they wouldnt be able to give them out fast enough. I wonder just how much gain the western world is keeping ahead of the curve with all the polluting unchecked countries or are we just barely breaking even pollution wise world wide?
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Post# 1111958 , Reply# 17   3/18/2021 at 18:08 (1,106 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)   |   | |
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While I appreciate the effort to dumb down the laundering public, it's not happening here.
It also helps to explain the 3 colds options. I'm just wondering where in the world this came from. Are they hoping to bump off the hot and warn selection in the future? Will the three colds leave people feeling as though they haven't lost any choices? |
Post# 1111970 , Reply# 18   3/18/2021 at 19:23 (1,106 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 1111975 , Reply# 19   3/18/2021 at 19:41 (1,106 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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makes me question why have they remove the good old fashion warm rinse that are on vintage washers plus i Rembert the old 1993 inglis superb II (whirlpool) direct drive washer cold rinse was not efficient to remove suds from the clothes i had to set it on main wash full cycle on warm just to remove extra suds or hot if it was bedsheets pics are reference
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Post# 1111983 , Reply# 20   3/18/2021 at 20:15 (1,106 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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this is not 1963, nor are you washing clothing from 1963, or using detergent from 1963.....just the machine!
detergents and materials have obviously changed drastically.... not saying that I would wash in COLD either...... we did wash in Luke Warm water in the 70's when COLD POWER was available for saving energy..... but with a HE machine, the most your using in a HOT wash is a few gallons, more than enough saving right there compared to a 20 gallon tub of regular TL machines... |
Post# 1111986 , Reply# 21   3/18/2021 at 21:03 (1,106 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)   |   | |
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I would love to have all those temp options. But notice how 'Cold' is 85şF? Most new machines are below 70şF on cold now. That won't cut it on 90% of our loads of laundry. They claim there is no difference in cleaning. I beg to differ. |
Post# 1111993 , Reply# 23   3/18/2021 at 23:21 (1,105 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 1112015 , Reply# 24   3/19/2021 at 04:43 (1,105 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)   |   | |
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Post# 1112026 , Reply# 25   3/19/2021 at 06:56 (1,105 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)   |   | |
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this morning, I use hot water if not the "STEAM" option usually. That is not a boil wash, but hot enough to stave off bed bugs and the like I presume. |
Post# 1112028 , Reply# 26   3/19/2021 at 07:04 (1,105 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Dust mites are stubborn cooties. If you really want to get rid of them, the temperature of the wash needs to maintained for an hour at 140F. That's without the effect of the detergent, but some detergents are better at killing dust mites than others. Steam may help, but it's the temperature of the laundry that counts in the end.
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Post# 1112058 , Reply# 28   3/19/2021 at 15:23 (1,105 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Commercial/industrial laundries most always use warm water for rinses. IIRC rationale is that chemicals and other substances flush more easily out of fabrics in warm water as opposed to cold. The latter causes textile (natural at least like cotton or linen) to constrict which could trap things in fabrics.
There is also the theory that more water is extracted from fabrics at warm versus cold. Finally laundry emerging warm from washer uses less energy for driers or ironers since neither has to deal with warming up "cold" laundry. Read years ago in Consumer Reports that while yes, warm water rinsing is slightly better for tumble dryers, the higher cost of using heated water versus dryer having to run a bit harder initially to warm "cold" laundry negates any benefits. Warm rinse option was common on American washing machines until 1970's or so; then energy crisis and tree huggers got at manufacturers and thus it has all but vanished. www.physicsforums.com/thr... www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/... |
Post# 1112099 , Reply# 29   3/19/2021 at 23:10 (1,104 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))   |   | |
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Post# 1112120 , Reply# 30   3/20/2021 at 10:45 (1,104 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)   |   | |
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Won't use Tide, will use warm/hot.
Chuck
p.s.- Gansky- is that a 1900 series Novatronic? |
Post# 1112131 , Reply# 31   3/20/2021 at 15:37 (1,104 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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Post# 1112132 , Reply# 32   3/20/2021 at 15:48 (1,104 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )   |   | |
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Post# 1112158 , Reply# 33   3/20/2021 at 20:22 (1,104 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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Would any of you use this cold water for a wash? I certainly wouldn’t but there are thousands of people who unknowingly do.
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Post# 1112317 , Reply# 34   3/22/2021 at 09:05 (1,102 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)   |   | |
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Warm rinse, and cold rinse, why not a hot rinse? |
Post# 1112319 , Reply# 35   3/22/2021 at 09:48 (1,102 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 1112331 , Reply# 37   3/22/2021 at 11:31 (1,102 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Post# 1112393 , Reply# 40   3/22/2021 at 18:18 (1,102 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)   |   | |
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a hot rinse would cause horrible creasing. Like ironing your clothes into the position they are in the spinning drum. |
Post# 1112394 , Reply# 41   3/22/2021 at 18:25 (1,102 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 1112405 , Reply# 42   3/22/2021 at 20:15 (1,102 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)   |   | |
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One of the few things I miss about my Duet. Towels always seemed fluffier. Might just be placebo effect. Not sure. |
Post# 1112421 , Reply# 44   3/22/2021 at 22:36 (1,101 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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"Next thing they will be encouraging you to hook your DW up to the cold water line instead!"
While maybe not so much in USA but cold fill only dishwashers have long been on offer all over Europe. Then again as with washing machines were speaking of homes that always have 208v-240v power connections as standard. With such heating power available dishwasher have no problem heating water from cold to hot or whatever temp is required. In fact given small amount of water used in dishwasher cycles compared laundry the former can reach temps comparatively quickly. Allowing for heating cold water to an exact temp means a dishwasher can do china and crystal at lower temps, but still also heat to higher for cruddy dishes and or pots/pans. forums.moneysavingexpert.com/dis... www.automaticwasher.org/c... www.whitegoodshelp.co.uk/connect... www.houzz.com/discussions/230467... www1.miele.com/pmedia/ZGA/TX2070... |
Post# 1112433 , Reply# 45   3/22/2021 at 23:02 (1,101 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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To Reply #43
Well that's good to know; since P&G tried once to get Americans to use cold water for laundry (Tide Cold Water) and it bombed. www.nytimes.com/2011/09/1... www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/s... www.triplepundit.com/story/2011/... Unless P&G has changed Tide CW formula the stuff works best between 90F and 100F. IIRC when Consumer Reports tested Tide CW back in day they found it gave best results in that range. pgpro.com/en-us/brands/tide-prof... Tap cold water in USA varies across the country by geographical location and time of year. What washing machines with heaters or other systems to determine water temp consider cold varies as well. 86F is usual number IIRC, but again things can vary. |
Post# 1112462 , Reply# 47   3/23/2021 at 08:07 (1,101 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Chuck - it is, Novotronic 1918. Love that washer.
I don't even keep the machines awaiting restoration set to anything but Hot water (and warm rinse)
The Cold Water Cascade box is from years ago, our own Nate in AZ created that in a similar discussion about cold-water washing/dishwashing. |
Post# 1191304 , Reply# 48   10/5/2023 at 15:08 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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Here we go again with the "washing everything in cold water" mantra. I'm sick and tired of it. If I want cold water, I only do it on dark items. Sorry not sorry! Nobody can tell me how to wash my clothes. |
Post# 1191305 , Reply# 49   10/5/2023 at 16:06 by reactor (Oak Ridge, Tennessee-- )   |   | |
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I think we should all give up washing our clothes and taking baths. That will save our planet, even faster. We are not running out of energy on planet Earth. Energy is neither created nor destroyed.
I won't purchase a washer, vintage or otherwise, unless it has a warm rinse option. I hear that dermal allergies are on the rise. It is no wonder, we have washers that don't rinse properly and leave detergent residue on the skin, and now we are to use ineffectual detergents in cold water. I am not that submissive to let the Government, nor industry, tell me how to do my laundry. That is not the purpose of either entity. |
Post# 1196755 , Reply# 50   1/8/2024 at 22:09 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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Unfortunately, this no mor warm water washing trend is still ongoing. This encourages more bad laundry habits due to this everchanging fad. This needs to stop immediately! |
Post# 1196758 , Reply# 51   1/8/2024 at 23:02 by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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Post# 1196761 , Reply# 52   1/9/2024 at 00:20 by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)   |   | |
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Post# 1197284 , Reply# 53   1/17/2024 at 03:54 by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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I just want to say I can not take your picture out of mind since you posted it on 3/18/2021. That is so cool/fascinating. I never knew 50s washers only offered hot or warm. I also bet those water valves were true 50/50. Are the rinse cold or warm?
@Gansky1: Do you have more pictures of that front load washer? I like how the temps are built into the dial. |