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Post# 1111885   3/18/2021 at 00:34 (1,106 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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To save the planet, Tide wants you to quit using warm water for laundry



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Post# 1111889 , Reply# 1   3/18/2021 at 00:45 (1,106 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        

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If you want to use cold water temperature in my 1963 RCA Whirlpool Imperial Mark XII washer it’s too bad so sad since all the temperatures are built in and if you do use cold you’ll have to put up with a 15 to 20 minute fill since the cold water trickles in and that’s because of the thermostatic water valve.

Plus cold water slowly ruins the machine over time and causes a lot of scum and residue to build up in the machine where you can’t see it and eventually it will have a smelly odor after awhile.


Post# 1111891 , Reply# 2   3/18/2021 at 01:04 (1,106 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Not.
Happening.
In.
This.
House.


Post# 1111892 , Reply# 3   3/18/2021 at 01:53 (1,106 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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I don't currently use Tide products and they certainly won't be getting on cent from me in the future.

Mark my words that habits like these WILL cause a plethora of issues with future washing machines and makers will be held liable for practices beyond their control.....even with their already dumbed down water temps.

With that said, I'll continue doing tempered 120F warm washes, spray rinses, and deep rinses.


Post# 1111896 , Reply# 4   3/18/2021 at 03:44 (1,106 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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HELL NO!!! I will continue to purchase the highest model in the line if it's the only one that still has an on-board heater. Just as I see it as a joke the concept of sanitize with oxy. With all of the scent boosters in Scent beads people use to make their laundry smell better? I think it's because people have such horrible laundry habits and don't know how to do laundry it reeks unless they can make it all perfumy.



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Post# 1111900 , Reply# 5   3/18/2021 at 04:13 (1,106 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Post# 1111902 , Reply# 6   3/18/2021 at 05:34 (1,106 days old) by kimball455 (Cape May, NJ)        

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Right now, the supply of cold water is 47 degrees F. Definitely not something that I am going to use for laundry.
The GE Washer has both steam and water a water heater and they definitely will continue to be used.

Harry


Post# 1111904 , Reply# 7   3/18/2021 at 06:09 (1,106 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Wasn't there an all cold TL by Whirlpool a couple of years ago?



Water heating IS the highest cost factor in any washing situation.

So keeping it minimal is the way to go to stay efficent.
However there is a limit to it.



I do some colder washes from time to time.

But all cold really isn't the way.
I'd never wash my bath mats, my towels or my bedding below 104F.


Post# 1111906 , Reply# 8   3/18/2021 at 07:17 (1,106 days old) by kenwashesmonday (Carlstadt, NJ)        

If I wash a large 40 gallon load in my Maytag with it set to warm, it uses about 9 gallons of hot water.  Figuring that it costs about 2¢ a gallon to heat hot water, my cost is 18¢


Post# 1111907 , Reply# 9   3/18/2021 at 07:19 (1,106 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Naaaah.


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Post# 1111912 , Reply# 10   3/18/2021 at 08:53 (1,106 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        
Oh Dear!

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What am I ever going to do?

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Post# 1111924 , Reply# 11   3/18/2021 at 12:16 (1,106 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        

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Pretty much all the temperatures on my ‘63 RCA Whirlpool Imperial Mark XII are either hot or warm and the only cold water wash is cycle #4 and that only has a 6 minute wash but will be well over 35 minutes since the water trickles in on the cold setting since it has the thermostatic water valve. All the wash times and temperatures are on the lid instructions.

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Post# 1111925 , Reply# 12   3/18/2021 at 12:22 (1,106 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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i will always use warm water unless its very dark colors only expection where i would use cold water and for bed sheet always will use hot water seen the article as well

www.msn.com/en-ca/news/us...


Post# 1111927 , Reply# 13   3/18/2021 at 12:51 (1,106 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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The problem with cold water is the temperature varies depending on the season and the area of the country in which you reside.

AW members from the Deep South report that their cold tap water is often 80-90 degrees. That can clean effectively with today’s Tide detergents, although I’d use some stain remover on greasy stains. I like Amway’s classic stain spray.

In Minnesota, our cold water is nowhere near 80-90 degrees even in the summer. During our long cold season, cold tap temps often range from 42-50 degrees. That is not going to budge many stains, especially if they are grease-based.

Tide’s website used to claim their ColdWater liquid cleans effectively down to around 45 degrees. I tested it at about 65 degrees and cleaning was acceptable. Then I tried it in mid-winter temps in the low to mid 40s and cleaning performance dropped like a rock.

If I lived down south, I’d have no problem washing most loads in “cold” water. Up here in the frozen north, no way.


Post# 1111931 , Reply# 14   3/18/2021 at 13:51 (1,106 days old) by sfh074 ( )        
Whites in cold ......

that just ain't right!

My millenia knows hot is the only way to wash whites. Taught them well. Warm for most anything else.


Post# 1111933 , Reply# 15   3/18/2021 at 15:18 (1,106 days old) by robbinsandmyers (Conn)        

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I'm sick and tired of companies, people, or politicians, all three with either way more money or power than I'll ever have telling me to stop doing so many things people have grown accustomed to in daily life to " save the planet" as they say, while they still live it up in luxury and dont change a thing. Hmmm, does the CEO of Lever or whoever makes Tide have his maids use only cold water now to do his families laundry? DOUBT IT. Don't use hot water, dont use excess electricity, buy fuel efficient cars, energy efficient appliances, etc all to keep our planet cleaner. I love all the sacrifices people in this country and Europe have made for a cleaner planet and air in so many capacities and extra costs. I'm all for having a cleaner and greener planet BUT FFS can the entire planet get on board with it already? You could spend the next 10 years watching all the You Tube videos you like of factories and people in China, Russia, Asia, Middle East etc polluting rivers, air and the ground like its 1909 all over again. Even back yard shops in India or Thailand etc are pouring lead and battery acid right into the ground while they repair radiators in trucks, fabricate various tools and products etc or even rewind armatures for vehicle starters or alternators etc with open burning, cleaning copper windings off with acid then pouring it on the ground. The EPA would have a field day with fines if they went there, they wouldnt be able to give them out fast enough. I wonder just how much gain the western world is keeping ahead of the curve with all the polluting unchecked countries or are we just barely breaking even pollution wise world wide?

Post# 1111942 , Reply# 16   3/18/2021 at 15:51 (1,106 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Oye Vey!

I'm not chastizing anyone, butthen boil water on the stove and add it to your dang washer machine, or use a board and a galvanized tub.
It ain't just politicians, companies, or environmentalists. I'm older, with more insurance, barely. You're old enough to recall the tv commerical with the indian in the canoe paddling past the smog spewing smoke stacks, Chemical and sewage run off, and dead fish. I don't know how else to put it to you.
The Ozone hole was not made up. Global warming is not made up. Carbon dating proved that before each ice age it got warmer. There will be another.
Of course, it's mostly all about money, and making more for companies and investors. However, maybe you don't have grand kids or care about thier future or that of the planet. Some of us do.
Being nostalgic is fine. Living in the past should have a limit.
Adapt, change, or move out of the way then.


Post# 1111958 , Reply# 17   3/18/2021 at 18:08 (1,106 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        

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While I appreciate the effort to dumb down the laundering public, it's not happening here.

It also helps to explain the 3 colds options. I'm just wondering where in the world this came from.

Are they hoping to bump off the hot and warn selection in the future?

Will the three colds leave people feeling as though they haven't lost any choices?


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Post# 1111970 , Reply# 18   3/18/2021 at 19:23 (1,106 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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The ATC on one of my toploaders targets 115°F for warm.  Another is 122°F.


Post# 1111975 , Reply# 19   3/18/2021 at 19:41 (1,106 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
what has happen to the good old fashion warm rinse setting?

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makes me question why have they remove the good old fashion warm rinse that are on vintage washers plus i Rembert the old 1993 inglis superb II (whirlpool) direct drive washer cold rinse was not efficient to remove suds from the clothes i had to set it on main wash full cycle on warm just to remove extra suds or hot if it was bedsheets pics are reference

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Post# 1111983 , Reply# 20   3/18/2021 at 20:15 (1,106 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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this is not 1963, nor are you washing clothing from 1963, or using detergent from 1963.....just the machine!

detergents and materials have obviously changed drastically....


not saying that I would wash in COLD either......

we did wash in Luke Warm water in the 70's when COLD POWER was available for saving energy.....

but with a HE machine, the most your using in a HOT wash is a few gallons, more than enough saving right there compared to a 20 gallon tub of regular TL machines...


Post# 1111986 , Reply# 21   3/18/2021 at 21:03 (1,106 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
gansky1

I would love to have all those temp options. But notice how 'Cold' is 85şF? Most new machines are below 70şF on cold now. That won't cut it on 90% of our loads of laundry. They claim there is no difference in cleaning. I beg to differ.

Post# 1111991 , Reply# 22   3/18/2021 at 22:25 (1,105 days old) by Mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

It will be interesting to see if this ever catches on, especially in Europe.

A couple of thoughts:

Tide is expensive and not everyone can afford it on a limited budget. I personally have sworn off P&G products, and have for a number of years, as I don’t trust the chemicals they use. Last 2 times I used Tide I broke out in painful hives that took a week to get rid of. Never again.

In 2018 I made an extensive trip to visit relatives, I wrote about the experience when I started a thread about visiting relatives. The most disgusting towels and sheets that was offered to me had been washed in a lower shelf detergent and cold water. NOTHING smelled remotely clean, so much so I slept in my jeans and day clothing at one household. Towels smelled like soured vomit. Of course I was gracious and said nothing. Couldn’t wait to get to a motel.
All of this cold water bit reminds me of the energy crisis of the early / mid 1970’s when people started washing in cold water.....and some never went back. Hence the older relatives in my family.

Lastly, I’m thinking of staph infections, jock itch, athletes foot, kitchen towels, bath towels, bacteria. Need hot water for that.
My 2 cents.

Barry


Post# 1111993 , Reply# 23   3/18/2021 at 23:21 (1,105 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Hell, I don't even rinse in cold. Warm always. Cold water here during the winter comes out virtually frozen from the tap.

 


Post# 1112015 , Reply# 24   3/19/2021 at 04:43 (1,105 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
So would a warm rinse

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Equate quicker drying? Also if you have a machine with a spray and then deep rinse surely warm rinses remove suds easier as the threads of the garments are more relaxed???

Just my 2cents

Austin


Post# 1112026 , Reply# 25   3/19/2021 at 06:56 (1,105 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Not feeling oats again

this morning, I use hot water if not the "STEAM" option usually. That is not a boil wash, but hot enough to stave off bed bugs and the like I presume.

Post# 1112028 , Reply# 26   3/19/2021 at 07:04 (1,105 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Dust mites are stubborn cooties. If you really want to get rid of them, the temperature of the wash needs to maintained for an hour at 140F. That's without the effect of the detergent, but some detergents are better at killing dust mites than others. Steam may help, but it's the temperature of the laundry that counts in the end.

Post# 1112043 , Reply# 27   3/19/2021 at 12:08 (1,105 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        
Warm Rinse

I remember Hoover-Candy had a 'Quattro' frontloader - I think it was - which had a warm final rinse before the spin cycle. It was supposed to give a better spin efficiency. This was around the time when 1600rpm was still only a 'B' grade efficiency on some manufacturers' machines.

Post# 1112058 , Reply# 28   3/19/2021 at 15:23 (1,105 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Warm rinse

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Commercial/industrial laundries most always use warm water for rinses. IIRC rationale is that chemicals and other substances flush more easily out of fabrics in warm water as opposed to cold. The latter causes textile (natural at least like cotton or linen) to constrict which could trap things in fabrics.

There is also the theory that more water is extracted from fabrics at warm versus cold. Finally laundry emerging warm from washer uses less energy for driers or ironers since neither has to deal with warming up "cold" laundry.

Read years ago in Consumer Reports that while yes, warm water rinsing is slightly better for tumble dryers, the higher cost of using heated water versus dryer having to run a bit harder initially to warm "cold" laundry negates any benefits.

Warm rinse option was common on American washing machines until 1970's or so; then energy crisis and tree huggers got at manufacturers and thus it has all but vanished.

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Post# 1112099 , Reply# 29   3/19/2021 at 23:10 (1,104 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))        
Cold Wash: Not a chance!

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My SQ FL does 99% hot (140 water washes) with an occasional warm. This cold wash bullshit is nothing but that.
WK78


Post# 1112120 , Reply# 30   3/20/2021 at 10:45 (1,104 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        

Won't use Tide, will use warm/hot.

 

Chuck

 

p.s.- Gansky- is that a 1900 series Novatronic?


Post# 1112131 , Reply# 31   3/20/2021 at 15:37 (1,104 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
i can't use tide anyway

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i had to switch brand i can ot use tide anyway give me rash on my skin and smell is to strong i switch to la parisienne and sunlight

Post# 1112132 , Reply# 32   3/20/2021 at 15:48 (1,104 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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I also can't use Tide because of itches and rashes.


Post# 1112158 , Reply# 33   3/20/2021 at 20:22 (1,104 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        
Current tap temp in CF

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Would any of you use this cold water for a wash? I certainly wouldn’t but there are thousands of people who unknowingly do.

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Post# 1112317 , Reply# 34   3/22/2021 at 09:05 (1,102 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
Now, you’ve got me thinking if there are such things as

Warm rinse, and cold rinse, why not a hot rinse?

Post# 1112319 , Reply# 35   3/22/2021 at 09:48 (1,102 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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Some early European automatics (Constructa?) had a separate built in boiler tank to provide hot water for a hot-warm-cold rinse procedure at a time when soap based powders were still king.
Americans seem to have always been more practical in terms of cutting unnecessary corners.


Post# 1112329 , Reply# 36   3/22/2021 at 11:09 (1,102 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Warm rinsing

Energy efficency wise, it is pretty much the worst thing.

In todays laundry there are very few reasons to put up that energy.



Laundry is all about dissolving things into other things.

Warm water is better at dissolving stuff in general.
So a warm rinse is technically better at rinsing.




However modern detergents rinse very easily.
They are basically 100% dissolvable, they don't produce solid seperates like soap used to (soap scum etc.).

So even there, a proper extra rinse and enough agitation are usually better.




Warm rinses do help with extraction.

Miele professional over here lists extraction performance for warm and cold rinsing, and rinsing in warm water usually drops residual moisture by 4-8% from what I remember.

That can be helpfull if warm water is readily available, cheaply heated, laundry goes into the dryer ASAP and if dryers run on suboptimal fuel (electric resistive).

Otherwise it can waste time if water needs to be heated first and expensive if you let the laundry cool or water is heated expensive.





I know of 2 companies that offered warm rinses in the EU:

LG and Whirlpool.

LG called it "Medic Rinse" and Whirlpool just "Hot Finish".

My LG needed 20min to heat the water and that basically doubled the energy usage on an otherwise efficent 40C cycle.

And for extratcion, those 5% less moisture mean about 5% less energy usage for drying - not worth that often.


Post# 1112331 , Reply# 37   3/22/2021 at 11:31 (1,102 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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a few Whirlpool DD machines offered a WARM rinse.....

but in actuality, the deep fill was cold, the spin spray was warm.....not the greatest, but it did take the edge off of a chilled rinse....

problem for some was by the time the hot water reached the machine, the water shut off....


Post# 1112359 , Reply# 38   3/22/2021 at 14:26 (1,102 days old) by sfh074 ( )        
Just saw ......

a commercial for new Cascade DW pods.

 

"Pre-rinsing wastes up to 20 gallons of water, so don't pre-rinse and just use new Cascade!"

The clear glass baking dish they were showing as an example looked like it was still full of food. UGH!

 

Last I checked my DW doesn't have a built-in garbage grinder.

 

BTW, I waste a couple of gallons of water priming the hot water up to the sink so I know I have hot water going into the start of the DW cycle.

 

Next thing they will be encouraging you to hook your DW up to the cold water line instead!


Post# 1112362 , Reply# 39   3/22/2021 at 14:37 (1,102 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
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I dunno, but I never prerinse and almost all DW over here are cold hookup.


Sure, we could run much higher wattage heating elements.

But most run around 1800W top.
You could probably still run 1100-1200W depending on design.
That is a difference but given the difference between washer and dishwasher, cold water hookup for DWs in the US aren't that incredibly improbable to pull off with barely any difference in performance - given they were designed and more so programmed that way.





Actually, for many US DW, pre rinsing by hand seems even less useful.

Sure I would recommend scraping most stuff off.

But from what I understand, many DW run prerinses depending on incoming water temp.
So if it is low, it would just add another short prerinse.
And for that matter depending on the timing water temp might be down significantly again once the main wash happens.




I think with DW the debate is much more differentiated compared to "wash your week long damp stored towels in cold".


Post# 1112393 , Reply# 40   3/22/2021 at 18:18 (1,102 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        
why not a hot rinse?

a hot rinse would cause horrible creasing. Like ironing your clothes into the position they are in the spinning drum.


Post# 1112394 , Reply# 41   3/22/2021 at 18:25 (1,102 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Next thing they will be encouraging you to hook your DW up to the cold water line instead!
Dishwashers with assured onboard water heating can run on a cold connection but that's an entirely different thing than directly washing in cold water.


Post# 1112405 , Reply# 42   3/22/2021 at 20:15 (1,102 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
warm rinse

One of the few things I miss about my Duet. Towels always seemed fluffier. Might just be placebo effect. Not sure.

Post# 1112408 , Reply# 43   3/22/2021 at 21:04 (1,102 days old) by Guidelines (Wisconsin )        
Avoid click-bait

If you actually read the article, you see P&G isn’t suggesting you stop washing in warm or hot. They are merely trying to increase the number of cold washes.

At our house, we wash colors in Cool (vs Tap Cold), sheets and whites on Extra Hot or Hot, and towels Warm... sometimes Hot. Given the large volume of colors in this house, we are close, but not quite to their goal of 3 out of 4 washes in Cool.

Everyone's situation is unique, which is surely why P&G made a point of saying they aren’t trying to preach to people. Lighten up, have some fun, avoid the click bait. (...and still, I agree that too many people cannot properly adjust the settings to their load's actual needs)


Post# 1112421 , Reply# 44   3/22/2021 at 22:36 (1,101 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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"Next thing they will be encouraging you to hook your DW up to the cold water line instead!"

While maybe not so much in USA but cold fill only dishwashers have long been on offer all over Europe. Then again as with washing machines were speaking of homes that always have 208v-240v power connections as standard. With such heating power available dishwasher have no problem heating water from cold to hot or whatever temp is required. In fact given small amount of water used in dishwasher cycles compared laundry the former can reach temps comparatively quickly.

Allowing for heating cold water to an exact temp means a dishwasher can do china and crystal at lower temps, but still also heat to higher for cruddy dishes and or pots/pans.



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Post# 1112433 , Reply# 45   3/22/2021 at 23:02 (1,101 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Well that's good to know; since P&G tried once to get Americans to use cold water for laundry (Tide Cold Water) and it bombed.


www.nytimes.com/2011/09/1...

www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/s...

www.triplepundit.com/story/2011/...

Unless P&G has changed Tide CW formula the stuff works best between 90F and 100F. IIRC when Consumer Reports tested Tide CW back in day they found it gave best results in that range.

pgpro.com/en-us/brands/tide-prof...

Tap cold water in USA varies across the country by geographical location and time of year. What washing machines with heaters or other systems to determine water temp consider cold varies as well. 86F is usual number IIRC, but again things can vary.


Post# 1112447 , Reply# 46   3/23/2021 at 02:37 (1,101 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Cool definition

Most modern machines actually discourage the use of tap cold IMO.

Most digital interfaces try to make you use cold (basically controlled cold) over plain tap cold.

That's the one thing ATC has going for it: You do get the same water temp every time, regardless of what the connection is.





Temp wise, 90-100F is basically the go to for most any washing.

Best for enzymes, good enough for tensides.
For bleaching and hygiene, higher temps are better, but not needed for much more.





I do think though that many target temps for Normal cycles at least isn't really that optimal.

Quoting the famous Samsung manual line, their warm is swimming pool water, their hot is bath water temp.


That is vague, but guestimating is possible.

Hot should be right around 95F, warm anywhere between 70 and 85F.

Given that, I would guess controlled cold is aimed at 60F.


And I'd dare to say most other brands aim at the same temps.


With the typical 4 or 5 temp settings excluding tap cold, a not unreasonable shorthand might be - for the energy label cycle at least - 100F down in 10F steps.
So 100-90-80-70-60 or 100-85-70-55 or such.





Funny enough, Whirlpool just ditched most temp labeling a couple of years ago.

They just label hot and cold on either end, and give you like 6 or so LEDs to select from.

Possible they even just eliminated tap cold on the FLs, but not sure about that.


Post# 1112462 , Reply# 47   3/23/2021 at 08:07 (1,101 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Chuck - it is,  Novotronic 1918.  Love that washer.

 

I don't even keep the machines awaiting restoration set to anything but Hot water (and warm rinse)  

 

The Cold Water Cascade box is from years ago, our own Nate in AZ created that in a similar discussion about cold-water washing/dishwashing.  


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Post# 1191304 , Reply# 48   10/5/2023 at 15:08 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
cold water

Here we go again with the "washing everything in cold water" mantra. I'm sick and tired of it. If I want cold water, I only do it on dark items. Sorry not sorry! Nobody can tell me how to wash my clothes.

Post# 1191305 , Reply# 49   10/5/2023 at 16:06 by reactor (Oak Ridge, Tennessee-- )        
"saving the planet"

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I think we should all give up washing our clothes and taking baths. That will save our planet, even faster. We are not running out of energy on planet Earth. Energy is neither created nor destroyed.

I won't purchase a washer, vintage or otherwise, unless it has a warm rinse option. I hear that dermal allergies are on the rise. It is no wonder, we have washers that don't rinse properly and leave detergent residue on the skin, and now we are to use ineffectual detergents in cold water.


I am not that submissive to let the Government, nor industry, tell me how to do my laundry. That is not the purpose of either entity.


Post# 1196755 , Reply# 50   1/8/2024 at 22:09 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
no more warm water

Unfortunately, this no mor warm water washing trend is still ongoing. This encourages more bad laundry habits due to this everchanging fad. This needs to stop immediately!

Post# 1196758 , Reply# 51   1/8/2024 at 23:02 by qsd-dan (West)        

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Guess I have to eat crow on post #3. I use powdered Tide detergent since my favorite one was discontinued and there are not any good powders around anymore. Also, most detergents (especially liquids) reek of scents and this one does not.

Post# 1196761 , Reply# 52   1/9/2024 at 00:20 by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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What then will my water heater be used for?

Or is it part of the banning gas appliance ban, that I'll not have...



-- Dave


Post# 1197284 , Reply# 53   1/17/2024 at 03:54 by chetlaham (United States)        
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I just want to say I can not take your picture out of mind since you posted it on 3/18/2021. That is so cool/fascinating. I never knew 50s washers only offered hot or warm. I also bet those water valves were true 50/50. Are the rinse cold or warm?

@Gansky1: Do you have more pictures of that front load washer? I like how the temps are built into the dial.



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