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GE GSD2304K00WW just a tiny bit full.

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Post# 1112820 3/26/2021 at 20:16 (1,119 days old) by TH1813254617 (Hamilton)
Checkrate/Likes I loaded my dishwasher with a load that my roommate helpfully pointed out is "the heaviest load ever. I was feeling so proud of myself when halfway through the prewash my roommate helpfully pointed out that his glass container needed washing. Somehow, I made it fit. This dishwasher did a lot in the 5-minute prewash, did it? Yes, I have a thing for stainless steel. Yes, I put two bowls under that big pot. I'm expecting cleaning issues. The top wash arm still occasionally hits the metal bowl despite my best efforts. That wash tower is both a blessing and a curse. Photos... < > Photo 1 of 7 View Full Size

Post# 1112823 , Reply# 1 3/26/2021 at 20:27 (1,119 days old) by appnut (TX)
Checkrate/Likes 1 Well, the load amount itself and how you've got it in there is receiving BobLoad certification for the contents/what's in there. But, how well did everything come out.

Post# 1112835 , Reply# 2 3/26/2021 at 23:22 (1,119 days old) by TH1813254617 (Hamilton)
Checkrate/Likes *It is a mixed bag. I pushed it a little too far.* I didn't take any pictures of the results before the final cleanup, but here is a type out. The timer was reset twice during the main wash. Only the rice cooker got rinsed and scrapped. Everything else went straight in. I didn't even bother to scrap them. Finish fresh-scented powder detergent was used since I've run out of Seventh Generation. The "Extra" cycle was used, which adds a prewash cycle before the main wash ("Normal" does not have a prewash). Heat dry was turned off. That giant pot in the top rack is interesting. The centre of the bottom, the part where the bowls were, got cleaned, the corners were completely untouched. This pot has only been in there twice so I still haven't quite figured out a way to get full coverage on the bottom. I think I may need to put it in the centre of the top rack. The black burnt-on gunk was loosened enough to be scrapped away with my fingernail. A steel spatula made quick work of that mess. Dishwasher detergent really is aggressive, eh? The rice cooker pot was clean, mostly (more on that later). All the rice was removed. The small saucer pan was clean except for one spot of cooked-on egg. I probably didn't load it properly. The large saucer pan was clean. That glass jar (used for chili sauce) in the top rack was cleaned, half the label got stripped clean off, the remaining half lifted straight off. It appears that dishwasher detergent can dissolve the adhesive they used for paper labels. Lesson learned. Remove all labels before loading the machine, the machine will deal with the sticky residue. The stainless steel bowls were clean. Unsurprising. The bowls and plates were mostly cleaned, again more on that later. The prewash already got them 90% clean. Oils and dried sauce are no match for this machine. All the glass lids were clean. Some wash water remained under the handles, which is annoying but expected. The lid for the big pot looked dirty, so I tried to clean it by hand. Too my horror, the glass on that thing got etched. It was coated in ancient grease before that (first time in the dishwasher), I couldn't tell whether the damage was always there. Judging by the way my roommates wash the dishes, it was probably damaged by their reckless but ineffective scrubbing. The stainless steel pan had hard water spots but was otherwise clean. The water I have is so hard I can probably grow stalactites in my dishwasher. The two 750ml bottles I had on the bottom rack got cleaned, the odor they had was gone. My roommate really should learn to wash his bottles after putting perishables inside. There was an issue with chili skin and seeds getting redeposited on the bowls, plates, and that rice cooker pot. I rinsed them off. Chili skins don't get broken down by detergent, they cannot be effectively shredded, and they like to float around in the water. The filtration systems on a modern dishwasher should be able to deal with chili skin just fine, whatever GE put on this thing simply can't. I should have either rinsed or scrapped the glass jar before putting it in. there wasn't nearly as much chili redeposit as I thought there would be. The pre-wash definitely helped a lot. I've just run the dishwasher empty (with detergent) to get rid of the remaining chili skins on the bottom. I don't know what rinse aid does, maybe some rinse-aid would have prevented any chili skin from redipositing? I have a new rinse aid dispensor on the way.

Post# 1112836 , Reply# 3 3/26/2021 at 23:38 (1,119 days old) by TH1813254617 (Hamilton)
Checkrate/Likes *Photos of my pots after some elbow grease* Photo 1 Waterspots, rinse aid will definitely help with that. Photo 2 Is that etching? How did my roommates scratch the glass like that? They scoured the glass yet failed to clean the bloody thing. Photos 3 and 4 Thanks to this dishwasher, removing all that burnt crud was trivia. The dishwasher wasn't able to remove any of it, but succeeded in softening it quite a bit. I shudder to think of the effort required to clean this by purely hand. I tried once or twice but failed. Good thing I got this old dishwasher going. Now, if only I could figure out a way to get every corner of this massive pot clean. Photos... < > Photo 1 of 4 View Full Size

Post# 1112837 , Reply# 4 3/27/2021 at 00:23 (1,119 days old) by Awooff (Peoria, Illinois)
Checkrate/Likes 1 *Etching* Nice loading! - a tower wash system is best underloaded imo. -id try the big pot placed in center of upper rack and never have tried seventh generation but cant imagine it being better then ordinary powdered detergent. Does not look like u need rinse aid, per the spot free glass lid - unless maybe the rinse aid dispenser still has plenty of rinse aid in it... Pic #2 is not glass etching! Looks like an expensive knife was run across it to me..

Post# 1112838 , Reply# 5 3/27/2021 at 02:22 (1,119 days old) by toploadloyalist (San Luis Obispo, CA)
Checkrate/Likes Does that dishwasher have a 'Pots & Pans' cycle selection, or anything close to that?

Post# 1112839 , Reply# 6 3/27/2021 at 02:31 (1,119 days old) by TH1813254617 (Hamilton)
Checkrate/Likes *Seventh generation* is about as good as Finish for me. It's better in some aspects and weaker in others. I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the two just by cleaning performance. Cascade Complete does NOT like my water, it sometimes leaves a layer of thick white crust on my stainless steel pots (probably precipitation from some sort of chemical reaction with my wate)r, so that's out. I'll probably return to Seventh generation because it doesn't leave behind any odor. Finish makes my dishwasher smell unclean. So much for fresh-scented. No, the rinse aid dispenser is empty. I emptied it because it doesn't work properly. I've never had problems with waterspots on my glass products. When I get my glasses clean (dishwasher or hand wash) the water tends to run off without sticking. Stainless steel is a different story, my pots usually come out white-ish instead of shiny. I just remembered I put vinegar inside as a rinse agent for this load. That would have helped a lot. I can't think of any knife in the household capable of doing this amount of damage. Mayhaps it was sand in the sponge. Or it could simply be cheap glass. Well, it could be anything since my roommates have a special talent in destroying kitchenware. Everything in the cabinet was simultaneously badly scoured and coated in grime. I do mean everything, ceramics, plastics, glass, stainless steel, silicone, non-stick (the aluminum was showing and looking very corroded), wood, etc. God, I hate my generation, especially those from the same cultural group. They don't care about anything and when you try to teach them they go "I've done it my way all the time and it's been FINE." My roommates washed my rice cooker pot and my tri-ply skillet ONCE, and they somehow managed to horribly scratch the things without cleaning them. Yup, the way they clean things is absolutely fine. I should've known, I wouldn't even trust them with a bike pump. As I slowly brought the dishhwasher back online things got way cleaner. I'll probably have to replace a lot of the dinnerware since of the scratches go straight through the enamel. Maybe I'm being far too facetious? Anyways, good thing I changed most of the cookware to stainless steel. Nonstick just isn't safe to use with my roommates around. Aluminium should really be reserved to breakfast pastries. One popular breakfast item from where I come from is the youtiao, basically deep fried dough stick. Apparently potassium aluminiumm sulfate dodecahydrate is commonly used as a leavening agent in them. Since potassium aluminiumm sulfate is used for water treatment, it can't be that bad. Still, aluminium-rich breakfast does not sound appetizing.

Post# 1112845 , Reply# 7 3/27/2021 at 07:40 (1,119 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)
Checkrate/Likes 2 *GE DW Wash Tower Put To The Test* Thanks for sharing your experiences Tom, and you proved even a DW with a center tower is better than no DW by a long shot. I always put all my cookware in the DW which keeps it from getting any build-ups on the outside, bottom etc. Large packed loads certainly show the limitations of a center pop-up wash tower system, GE is probably the only DW that still takes this short cut on their basic models. I would to see your results with one of my late 80s WP Power-Clean DWs, I wash packed filthy loads like yours every week and almost never see a speck of anything left behind. John L.

Post# 1112846 , Reply# 8 3/27/2021 at 07:43 (1,119 days old) by TH1813254617 (Hamilton)
Checkrate/Likes *"Pot and pans"* cycle was used for this test. Sorry, I forgot to mention that. I have not noticed anything different with pots and pans vs normal, however. How is pots and pans supposed to be different from the normal cycle? Maybe that button hasn't been wired up properly on my machine.

Post# 1112847 , Reply# 9 3/27/2021 at 08:09 (1,119 days old) by TH1813254617 (Hamilton)
Checkrate/Likes 1 *"DW with a centre tower is better than no DW by a long s* Indeed, even one that has been hamstrung by an energy star efficiency certification and phosphate-free detergent that the old design probably wasn't meant for. This is a basic model from 2001, but the design was most likely dated even then. This shares some philosophy with the Potscrubber machine in that it's a shot-gun-everything-with-water-thrown-by-a-powerful-motor-and-do-lots-of-water-changes-instead-of-advanced-filtration type of machine, but the water usage has been forcefully reduced to below 6 gallons. They're didn't even bother increasing the cycle length. They didn't even bother to adjust the time at which the dishwasher puts in detergent! This machine throws in the detergent about a quarter of the way into the wash cycle. "...DW which keeps it from getting any build-ups on the outside, bottom etc." I'm surprised that wasn't mentioned more. This is true, and quite a big deal in my opinion. If someone's pots and pans have a gross exterior, you can be certain they're not using a dishwasher. My parents have a new Siemens in China. That thing can strip the gold trim off of dishes. That's some really effective "peeing on the dishes" wash action. I really want to try that machine the next time I visit. My father work for one 9f the largest drinking bottle OEMs and according to him, getting stuff to survive a dishwasher wash cycle is surprisingly difficult. There is a reason vacuum insulated bottles aren't dishwasher safe.

Post# 1112849 , Reply# 10 3/27/2021 at 08:30 (1,119 days old) by Awooff (Peoria, Illinois)
Checkrate/Likes 2 *Pot n pans option* A quarter of the way through the wash cycle here would be the main wash portion of the whole cycle. -At this phase is when the main detergent door dumps its detergent and also when the option of pots n pans should be increasing the water temp to around 140f - non pots n pans option would only insure around 120f Although if your incoming water temp is very hot then any dishwasher may not have to "pause" the main wash portion to heat water to 140f. If you can get the model number off of this machine, then an owners manual will explain cycle sequence. Ive found dishwashers with a temp raised main wash to do better with cooler incomming water as then the machine will run longer during the main wash portion while it heats the main wash water to 140f

Post# 1112852 , Reply# 11 3/27/2021 at 09:15 (1,119 days old) by TH1813254617 (Hamilton)
Checkrate/Likes *My dishwasher* does not pause the cycle to wait for the temperature to rise. I remember reading somewhere that it's supposed to do that, but that doesn't work for the wash cycles in my unit. It doesn't matter since I'll reset the timer to extend the wash time regardless. I cannot find the specific manual for my dishwasher, which is unfortunate. This machine has some rather baffling behavior. "A quarter of the way through the wash cycle here would be the main wash portion of the whole cycle." It is dumping the detergent a quarter of the way through what is functionally the main wash portion of the cycle. Unless that first quarter of what I think is the main wash is actually a prewash, and that this machine is not supposed to change the prewash water, this behavior doesn't make sense. It's possible that GE removed a couple of water changes to make this machine Energy Star compliant, but did not adjust the dispenser timing to compensate. "Normal" is one single longish wash cycle, "Extra" adds a water change before "Normal", which I assume was meant to be a prewash, and "Super" adds two more water changes before all that, which I assume is a prewash with two rinse cycles. There will always be 3 very hot rinses after "Normal", and the dispenser opens a quarter of the way into "Normal". If only GE had the manual online. I don't get this behavior at all. This dishwasher was listed on GE's website until recently. The manual they provided is not for this specific machine.

Post# 1112891 , Reply# 12 3/27/2021 at 13:52 (1,119 days old) by Awooff (Peoria, Illinois)
Checkrate/Likes *Energy star* Your probably correct on normal cycle as this would be the cycle judged for energy star compliance! My old electronic kenmore ultra wash sensor normal cycle has only 3 water changes total with last 2 being rinse - if both detergent cups were to be filled then the cup opens at 68 minute mark (if memory serves) or half way thru main wash portion (last 2 fills are rinse) - many times for normal i only fill the open cup essentially

Post# 1112915 , Reply# 13 3/27/2021 at 19:19 (1,118 days old) by TH1813254617 (Hamilton)
Checkrate/Likes *Similar situation here.* I just leave the detergent cap open if I'm running the normal cycle. I only close the cap if I've selected �Extra�. Since I only to use the extra cycle on heavy loads, I'm in the habit of opening the door to do a quick check on my load after the prewash (that snapping drain solenoid comes in handy), I'll also manually open the detergent cap. If I get annoyed enough I'll rip out the old timer cam and 3d print a new one.

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