Thread Number: 86975
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Post# 1115442 , Reply# 1   4/24/2021 at 04:02 (1,070 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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Unless they changed that, you switch on and before you select anything, you just press the spin speed button. You download the cycle via your phone, however it is executed on the machine. |
Post# 1115453 , Reply# 2   4/24/2021 at 10:13 (1,069 days old) by Golittlesport (California)   |   | |
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Post# 1115454 , Reply# 3   4/24/2021 at 10:13 (1,069 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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you must install LG's "ThinQ" app to you smartphone, then mate your machine to
ThinQ app, for many more cycle and option choices, then connect your machine to your home Wifi to use the downloaded cycle. Having just purchased a LG WM4200, which is the advanced tier, highest efficiency model, I have used some of the downloaded cycles on both washer and dryer, which I like them so far, haven't got to try all of them out yet. Also with the Smart Pairing, the washer pairs WITH the dryer and automatically will choose the correct drying cycle and temperature for the load to be dried! I use that feature a fair amount. Makes doing laundry enjoyable. |
Post# 1115465 , Reply# 5   4/24/2021 at 12:27 (1,069 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 1115503 , Reply# 8   4/24/2021 at 21:07 (1,069 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Marco, it's good you've figured out a downloaded cycle can be appropriate for other things besides the label of the cycle. What I look for is what the cycle does and how it executes it and if it's applicable to other types of loads I might want. Good for you. My cotton sheets cycle on my Whirlpool Duet is my go to cycle for everyday cotton clothes worn around the house. It's normal soil, warm water and the heater comes on to maintain temperature.
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Post# 1115505 , Reply# 9   4/24/2021 at 21:37 (1,069 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)   |   | |
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Post# 1115514 , Reply# 10   4/25/2021 at 01:05 (1,069 days old) by Egress (Oregon)   |   | |
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I just looked and theres a dedicated food stain cycle that I didn't see last time. they must have added it recently. |
Post# 1115531 , Reply# 12   4/25/2021 at 11:12 (1,068 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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" So far, not that impressed with the new automatic dispensing systems on the newer LG's." Trappn, please explain the thoughts behind this comment. I'd like your perception so I can compare it with my Duet Precision Dispense brought out over 12 years ago and also I can compare it to Wirlpool's current auto dosing sytem. |
Post# 1115534 , Reply# 13   4/25/2021 at 11:56 (1,068 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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The only difference between 2 of LG model washers is: WM4200 does not have the
auto dosing liquid detergent and fabric softener cartridges, and WM4500 does. I was not attracted to the 4500 model due to I have and use a menagerie of detergents, and didn't want to be restricted to using only liquid detergents only. Other than that, they are the exact same machines. I will say that my new WM4200 washer, rinsing is MUCH better and Balances easier and faster than my last LG set I had, resulting in getting through a cycle faster. The Turbo Wash option is amazing, I use it in all the cycles that will allow it. The downloaded cycles that I have used so far, I've been very pleased with the results. I recommend the Denim, small load, econo wash cycles so far. I will be trying out a few more of the other downloaded cycles soon. In total there is 19 downloaded cycles, not including the standard cycles already on the dial of 14 cycles. Those will keep me entertained for a while. |
Post# 1115538 , Reply# 14   4/25/2021 at 12:43 (1,068 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 1115585 , Reply# 17   4/25/2021 at 21:20 (1,068 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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small loads on normal/turbowash and it can last anywhere from 26-53 minutes. |
Post# 1115586 , Reply# 18   4/25/2021 at 21:21 (1,068 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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I would use the auto dose for laundry detergent and fabric softener. I have a bad habit of using too much or too little. |
Post# 1115587 , Reply# 19   4/25/2021 at 21:28 (1,068 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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I use laundry detergent and fabric softener on everything. |
Post# 1115592 , Reply# 21   4/25/2021 at 22:06 (1,068 days old) by Egress (Oregon)   |   | |
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its not consistent either. sometimes it'll dry in 1 cycle and sometimes i have to do 3 or 4 to get everything dry. IDK how LG senses the load dryness level but it certainly isn't reliable. |
Post# 1115600 , Reply# 22   4/25/2021 at 23:20 (1,068 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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4000 and 4200, 4000 is 4.5 cu.ft, less cycles, 4200/4500 are both 5 cu.ft with same cycles.
4200 round door, no drum light(wish mine had one!)4500 rounded-square door, with drum light and liquid detergent and fabric softener cartridges. both are advanced tier efficiency rating. I originally wanted the 4000 set, but after deep research, changed my mind and choose 4200, have been very happy with my decision. LG laundry has come a long way since I purchased my first LG set 11 years ago(which I just replaced with the4200) which was WM2050! |
Post# 1115605 , Reply# 23   4/26/2021 at 01:46 (1,068 days old) by trappn (Illinois)   |   | |
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More great input. Didn't realize the matching dryer might be a problem. Are we just talking about bedding, or everything? Also, is it when the washer & dryer are communicating, or when cycles are selected manually, or both? Thanks. |
Post# 1115645 , Reply# 25   4/26/2021 at 13:15 (1,067 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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dryer capacity for 4000,4200/4500 are all the same 7.4 cu.ft which is very big
and deep in size. Drying comforters of any size should not be a problem and was not with my last LG dryer and it was 7.3 cu.ft. The condition of your dryer venting is very important and needs to be checked and cleaned at least once a year to dry consistently, also using the correct drying cycle. this all makes a difference how the machine operates how it should. |
Post# 1115690 , Reply# 26   4/27/2021 at 01:46 (1,067 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 1115692 , Reply# 27   4/27/2021 at 03:10 (1,067 days old) by trappn (Illinois)   |   | |
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No response to the OP? We responded to your query. Thanks. |
Post# 1115727 , Reply# 28   4/27/2021 at 12:55 (1,066 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Trappn, I apologize.
The liquid concentration is determined by the number of ounces in the bottled divided by the stated number of loads on the bottle. The Precision Dispense system allow the user to vary that based upon the hardness & softness of your water. I have very hard water and was able to adjust the amount dispensed based upon hard water. Now that I'm using STPP, I've adjusted to water hardness to both Normal and Soft to see which setting works better and help me save on detergent. And that was the case until the latest generation of Whirlpool & Maytag front loaders was release 3 years ago this coming fall. The manual states to still do the above calculation of ounces/loads on package to determine concentration setting. But there is no allowance/variance allowed for water hardness/softness. Whirlpool's current WFW9620 is the only model that offers two detergent reservoirs. They are two different fluid sizes. The default arrangement is the larger reservoir is intended for detergent and the smaller one is intended for fabric softener. The user manual states the smaller reservoir can be changed to being used as a 2nd detergent reservoir so 2 different detergents can be stored simultaneously. Another forum I participate in, there was an individual who had purchased the 9620 for its sophistication, flexibility, and ability to download added cycles. She bought an early version of the 9620 and the reprogramming of the 2nd reservoir from fabric softener to detergent did not function due to software and she was very disappointed and frustrated. Whirlpool hadn't resolved the issue almost a year after purchase, but she's not posted any additional updates. The LG system has a default amount of detergent dispensed. If the detergent being used calculates to a different concentration level, that can be easily adjusted and saved. the system also allows for individual load flexibility to add more or less for an individual load. All 3 systems also vary amount dispensed based upon the sensed load weight as well as soil level selected for the load. I hope this answer your concerns, if you have futher questions, please do not hesitate to ask. |
Post# 1116617 , Reply# 31   5/7/2021 at 22:01 (1,056 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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I've been very happy with my 4200 set. it does everything I want and more.
If you use liquid detergent, the 4500 set would be excellent. I too, wasn't overly impressed with the Black steel color, yes that was a deal breaker for me. I both liquid and powder detergents of choice. Keep watching for sales, they do pop up time to time. you will need to purchase a Steam-dryer hose kit if you plan on using the steam function on the dryer. I have used the steam function on the washer and dryer 1 time, liked the results so far. |
Post# 1116717 , Reply# 35   5/9/2021 at 00:59 (1,055 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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Well the 4000 doesn't have turbo wash......I think the 4200 is the least you can spend if you want turbo wash. I only use powdered detergent. If I had to buy a new washer today, I'm pretty sure I would either choose the 4200 OR the Electrolux.. Also, I'm done with pedestals. They are way too expensive and I don't mind bending....besides, my dryer is a standard whirlpool dryer that my current duet (on a pedestal) towers over.
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Post# 1116718 , Reply# 36   5/9/2021 at 01:34 (1,055 days old) by trappn (Illinois)   |   | |
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Seems like most of the LG dryer concerns involve the reliability of the dryness sensors. Wonder why? |
Post# 1116719 , Reply# 37   5/9/2021 at 02:13 (1,055 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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has turbo wash. 4000, 4200, 4500 all have turbo wash. I have not ever had a
problem with sensor drying cycles. adjust the dryness control if a load is not dry enough. Just don't get carried away with using over abundance of fabric softeners, and keep your exhaust hose cleared out and lint filter clean, should not have a concern with sensor reliability. |
Post# 1116723 , Reply# 38   5/9/2021 at 04:50 (1,055 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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Post# 1116741 , Reply# 39   5/9/2021 at 11:47 (1,054 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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Post# 1116746 , Reply# 40   5/9/2021 at 12:27 (1,054 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 1116756 , Reply# 41   5/9/2021 at 14:49 (1,054 days old) by trappn (Illinois)   |   | |
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Am I correct in that there seems to be an inner window that may be made of glass, and an outer window that is plastic? Whatever is on the outside is extremely flimsy compared to the other models. Thanks. |
Post# 1116758 , Reply# 42   5/9/2021 at 14:56 (1,054 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 1116775 , Reply# 43   5/9/2021 at 17:14 (1,054 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)   |   | |
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We have the 8100, I can confirm that it does have the two turbo recirculating jets wash feature. It's been impressive overall. If I had to buy another LG, it would be the same one again. I like the capacity that it holds, I can easily fit a kind size comforter in there. I think it cleans great. And I really think that it's a cool looking washer. But if I had to pick a different washer, it would be the Speed Queen.
Mark, When I was living down in the red rock desert a couple years ago, I was using a Crosley front loader for a few months. When it started to have problems, instead of fixing it, we replaced it with a brand new Electrolux. Boy did I hated that new washer, my only regret was we should've fixed the Crosley as I thought it did WAY better than the Lux. Until Electrolux redesigns their front load washers, I will never be using a new Lux front load washer ever again. |
Post# 1116799 , Reply# 44   5/9/2021 at 20:13 (1,054 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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Wow - even the 3900 has turbo wash? I remember back when Turbo was was 2 jets but it still looked like this did a great job from the videos I've seen. It's funny on Home Depot's site, they say nothing (unless I missed it) in the highlights about it even having turbo wash. I don't think the 3900 has a heater tho..which would explain the $799 price. The 4000 is $999 and it has a heater.
I know that if/when I do end up getting a new FL (it may still be years) my Duet does NOT want to die.. each time I use it I wonder if that's gonna be the day it dies. I don't see how it could possibly go much longer and we are going on 17 years....but I will be getting water hammer arrestors for it because I know they can make noise with the on/off water |
Post# 1116800 , Reply# 45   5/9/2021 at 20:21 (1,054 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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Sorry I just noticed you mentioned that about the Lux. The thing I hate about Lux is they don't have a coin trap.....but I thought the wash action was decent and had recirculation an great reviews from what I read. Since I'm the only one that does laundry and diligently check pockets I figured it wouldn't be a big deal...what was it about the Lux you didn't like? I still am steered more to any LG model that has a heater/turbo wash more so than Lux. Whirlpool puts me off as they are cutting even more corners than the other companies...to the point that they can't even have freaking glass on the inside window.
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Post# 1116813 , Reply# 46   5/9/2021 at 23:30 (1,054 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)   |   | |
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Post# 1116817 , Reply# 47   5/10/2021 at 00:58 (1,054 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)   |   | |
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It didn't clean as well as I thought it would, uses less water, some clothes would get stuck in the drum seal, and it was VERY NOISY during the spin cycles. This was the washer that I took a photo of.
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Post# 1116860 , Reply# 50   5/10/2021 at 13:04 (1,053 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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originally I was dead set on getting the 3900 set, it had everything I wanted,
but found out 3900 was discontinued and replaced with 4000.(I even contacted LG about it) then last minute I decided for the 4200 set mainly for the efficiency rating. I do have hammer arrestors on my- 2 per line(on the machine and at facet) which really does stop the water hammering. I might replace one of them at the machine due it its older. but I think they are very much needed to stop the water hammering of pipes. They all have a plastic door covering to protect from the heat cycles and the window are all glass of some sort. the plastic does make it very hard to see going on inside! but its a safety measure for the consumer. |
Post# 1116890 , Reply# 51   5/10/2021 at 17:11 (1,053 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)   |   | |
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After posting on here, I went back to LG's website and I found the latest ratings from Consumer Reports on their front load washers.
3900, 4000, 3400, 3500, and 3600 got "86" which is the highest score from CR 9000 got "85" 9500 and 3700 got "84" 3997 got "83" 8100 got "82" 4200 and 4500 got "80" If anyone is interested in seeing the scores for themselves from CR, you're welcome to go to LG's front load washers page. www.lg.com/us/front-load-... |
Post# 1116921 , Reply# 53   5/10/2021 at 23:04 (1,053 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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to HomeDepot's site and I totally would check features/model # and then I would remember the model # wrong (LOL)
I didn't realize the 3900 was discontinued. It looks like the 4000 would be my choice if I had to buy one today (but I don't) Matching dryers: This used to be a big deal to me but it is no longer. For me, I'd rather have the dryer I want and the washer I want and just get the same color (white) and hopefully similar height. I think the standard top screen WP dryers are the best. I'm sure other dryers are great too, I just like these the best because of their design. About the Electrolux: Yep - that's the one I was thinking about. Glad you let me know you weren't thrilled by it. |
Post# 1116954 , Reply# 54   5/11/2021 at 10:38 (1,052 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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The inner glass doors are not tempered glass, when they break it breaks in dangerous sharp pieces.
The outer plastic covers are just for styling not safety,Even on the heat cycles the washer glass only gets to the 150F range, not hot enough to hurt anyone, parts on the fronts of dryers get hotter than that and the front doors on ovens are allowed to get to 200F.
Better FL washers like Miele, Speed Queen and Asko do not do that BS on their washers.
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Post# 1116991 , Reply# 56   5/11/2021 at 21:06 (1,052 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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Post# 1116993 , Reply# 57   5/11/2021 at 21:34 (1,052 days old) by trappn (Illinois)   |   | |
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Maybe we'll start a club. Thanks! |
Post# 1116995 , Reply# 58   5/11/2021 at 23:10 (1,052 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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Post# 1117006 , Reply# 59   5/12/2021 at 04:53 (1,052 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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If you use the normal cycle......I can't confirm...but most energystar ratings are based on the normal cycles, so that might be the worst cycle to choose. But then again, this is an LG, they tend to work well from the wash action cycles I've seen. They also do a big time spray rinse, but I'm not sure which cycles this happens on....but the spray rinses in ADDITION to interim spins (at least on most cycles I've seen) The spray rinse looked like it worked GREAT
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Post# 1117098 , Reply# 62   5/12/2021 at 22:22 (1,051 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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are on most all the cycles, including the down loaded cycles also from the ones
I've used so far, and do after the main wash and rinses. They aren't really long but does help! the AI is only on a few cycles for the washer, normal, bright whites and Rainy Day from the down loaded cycles, I think there is 1 more also, can't remember for sure which one. I do like the AI feature. Wish it was included on more cycles. The Dryer, AI is only on the Normal cycle. |
Post# 1117101 , Reply# 63   5/12/2021 at 23:26 (1,051 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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How does AI work on the normal cycle on each? |
Post# 1117102 , Reply# 64   5/13/2021 at 00:17 (1,051 days old) by trappn (Illinois)   |   | |
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So far, I thing we should all be able to agree that AI is still in its infancy stage when it comes to washers. That's one of the several reasons why we chose to not to go with the 4500. |
Post# 1117171 , Reply# 65   5/13/2021 at 17:39 (1,050 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)   |   | |
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Post# 1117174 , Reply# 66   5/13/2021 at 18:07 (1,050 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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I was gonna ask the same question. I use laundry detergent and fabric softener. The only time I use bleach is for whites. |
Post# 1117175 , Reply# 67   5/13/2021 at 19:15 (1,050 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 1117185 , Reply# 69   5/13/2021 at 20:41 (1,050 days old) by Egress (Oregon)   |   | |
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I'd love to see a teardown video of one of these new machines. |
Post# 1117193 , Reply# 70   5/13/2021 at 23:18 (1,050 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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yes, but on 4500 only. 4500 has the EZ dispense for liquid detergent and fabric
softener, 4200 model does not have EZ dispense. AI detects fabric types and weight, size of the load, and calculates time needed, wash motions for the cycle, 4500 model determines amount of liquid detergent and fabric softener to be used for the load, which can be adjusted to the users preference. |
Post# 1117210 , Reply# 72   5/14/2021 at 08:40 (1,050 days old) by Logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Oh, the excitement it brings. 😁
I think Fuzzy Logic was introduced here in the 90s, when washing machines and dishwashers could do load-sensing. So almost 30 years ago. I remember washing different loads in my grandma's washer. Same cycle but one load synthetics, the other towels: you'd get different cycle times, wash and rinse water levels, different tumbling and different spin profiles. It didn't mention AI anywhere - it was just current technology from the early 2000s that Miele used. Rant about everything being "AI" these days over. 😋 |
Post# 1117243 , Reply# 74   5/14/2021 at 14:51 (1,049 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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I'd love to see a full default normal cycle of the 4500 with laundry detergent and fabric softener in the designated ez dispensers. |
Post# 1117331 , Reply# 75   5/15/2021 at 19:02 (1,048 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)   |   | |
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They are performed on all cycles, except Bulky, as long as TurboWash is activated, at least on my machine and the WashTower I have used. |
Post# 1117338 , Reply# 76   5/15/2021 at 20:02 (1,048 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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Post# 1117339 , Reply# 77   5/15/2021 at 20:19 (1,048 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Or whatever you want to call it one loves it with modern washers.
Older Miele was doing a number on our finer linens washed in "normal/cottons". Heart broke each time water changed and drained seeing bits of linen coming out of hose and being caught by filter. OTOH both my Lavamat washers treat linen far more gentle in "Cottons/Linens" normal cycle. Machines do sense difference between loads of all or mostly cotton or linen and drum rhythms and so forth vary accordingly. Things get better if "sensitive" option is added as well. Result is even after a nearly two hour long cycle in AEG washers drain filter has virtually nothing. |
Post# 1117344 , Reply# 78   5/15/2021 at 23:26 (1,048 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 1117361 , Reply# 79   5/16/2021 at 01:09 (1,048 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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Post# 1117363 , Reply# 80   5/16/2021 at 01:25 (1,048 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 1117433 , Reply# 82   5/17/2021 at 00:23 (1,047 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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Post# 1117449 , Reply# 84   5/17/2021 at 09:04 (1,047 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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Post# 1117458 , Reply# 85   5/17/2021 at 10:18 (1,046 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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it's very hard to see them with the dark plastic door covering, spray rinse's
happen (first spin after main wash) as the interim starts to ramp up to the to last portion of spin, then coast to stop(or filtration depending on cycle being used)a few seconds after its done spray rinsing. this is also done after each additional deep rinse's, with the final spin, spray rinsing is done about when spin is starting to ramp up to medium spin. sprays are 5 seconds long roughly. |
Post# 1117477 , Reply# 86   5/17/2021 at 13:29 (1,046 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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What is the sequence of the spray rinse on the normal cycle? |
Post# 1117480 , Reply# 87   5/17/2021 at 14:45 (1,046 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)   |   | |
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It is a Kenmore Elite 41982. I can confirm that the spray rinses are about 5 seconds long each. They are fairly hard to see. About half the water ends up flushing the door and boot as somewhat of a suds kill. |
Post# 1117496 , Reply# 88   5/17/2021 at 17:38 (1,046 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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then they must have drastically changed spray rinses since this video because they were much longer....which doesn't surprise me
CLICK HERE TO GO TO mark_wpduet's LINK |
Post# 1117498 , Reply# 89   5/17/2021 at 17:53 (1,046 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 1117524 , Reply# 90   5/17/2021 at 21:35 (1,046 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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that is a older LG model washer. spray rinses were longer, but fine water mist.
Newer LG's that have spray rinsing are shorter but heavier water spray. Older LG washers also didn't have the dark plastic door covering, which is for looks mostly, you could see clearly what's going on inside. I wonder if Mickeyd still has that Red LG washer? |
Post# 1117527 , Reply# 91   5/17/2021 at 22:25 (1,046 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 1117537 , Reply# 92   5/18/2021 at 01:13 (1,046 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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Post# 1117552 , Reply# 93   5/18/2021 at 10:54 (1,045 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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an LG w turbo wash normal cycle. I can't remember the model # but it's a recent machine. The video was only 1 yr old. Normally, I would avoid Normal, but in this case, I didn't think it was that bad of a cycle at all. Actually, one thing is did reminded me of my current duet in that when it spins after the wash and goes into the first rinse, it slowly spins while adding water while filling up the tub for the first rinse. It does this for maybe 2 min's or more, really sloshing water into the clothes. It does this on the other rinses as well, just not as long as the first rinse. Anyway, this LG did a similar thing. Also, I saw the spray rinse. Yes, it's 5 seconds long (LOL)...but I swear, I think the LG's add more water during rinses than washes (thank goodness) lots of sloshing during rinses and more turbo wash action. It also used the nozzle for the spray rinse to help fill the tub for rinsing. I really do like these machines from what I've seen much better than the other machines I've watched.
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Post# 1117565 , Reply# 94   5/18/2021 at 14:46 (1,045 days old) by Golittlesport (California)   |   | |
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After reading this thread about LG washers, turbo wash and the spray rinse, I thought I'd try turbo wash on the towels cycle on my six year old LG today. I never used turbo wash on that cycle before because I was afraid it might suds lock during the spray rinses with a full load of heavy towels.
I was surprised to see that it did no spray spin rinses, just three deep rinses with recirculation. It did use the higher water level, even with the turbo wash selected. I like this cycle for towels because it uses a higher water level and reaches the full max spin speed between all rinses. Really does a good rinsing job on towels. I'm thinking the machine drops the spin spray rinses on Towels cycle for the reason I was thinking -- the possibility of creating a suds lock situation. |
Post# 1117578 , Reply# 95   5/18/2021 at 16:27 (1,045 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Rich, that's exactly why there are no spray rinses on Towels with Turbowash. My only complaint is because there's no steam option for Towels, one cannot engage the onboard heater to maintain hot water temperature, or even raise it some. LG models back in 2011 DID have their models/cycles programmed that towels did engage the heater when needed.
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Post# 1117579 , Reply# 96   5/18/2021 at 16:43 (1,045 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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couldn't you use bright whites for the heat? Or does that engaged the heater? I don't know
I'm wondering about cycle option combinations that would work or NOT work. Take Perm Press....You can choose turbo wash/more soil/ extra rinse/high spin speed with that cycle? Speed wash: Can you choose that cycle and add extra rinse/more soil/high spin/turbo wash I think (unless something's changed) that if you choose the bulky cycle, you can't get HIGH spin.....the highest you can get is medium. |
Post# 1117580 , Reply# 97   5/18/2021 at 17:01 (1,045 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Mark, you need to study the use & care manual to answer those questions. There's a table/chart which shows options available for cycles.
And yes, you could use the Whites cycle as well as Normal or Heavy Duty and select Ex. Hot wash temp for those two cycles. But I want as much flexibility of steam and hotter washes just like I have in my Duet. And back in 2011 when I ordered my Duet, the only other brand that had comparable offerings/flexibility was LG at the time. |
Post# 1117599 , Reply# 98   5/18/2021 at 20:39 (1,045 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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If your duet is 10 yrs old........mine is 6 years older. You could potentially still have it a long time. I know mine is German made. Not sure if they were still making them in Germany then or not. The ONLY sign that mine is ageing is (once in a while, when the drum rotates, it squeaks in one direction..but it's like baby birds chirping type of squeak....not a loud squeak.. and it's done it periodically the past 3 years......completely stopping for months at a time only to start back randomly then stop again for months. Otherwise, it's still very healthy sounding. But I just don't see how it could possibly go much longer. I feel like something HAS to give any moment. Who knows though, I might get several more years. You just never know. But I like to keep up with what's out there just in case.
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Post# 1117601 , Reply# 99   5/18/2021 at 20:54 (1,045 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 1117604 , Reply# 100   5/18/2021 at 22:28 (1,045 days old) by trappn (Illinois)   |   | |
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......stay with the Duet for as long as it makes you happy. That's what we would do. Many thanks for all the feedback. Keep it coming. |
Post# 1117631 , Reply# 102   5/19/2021 at 08:00 (1,045 days old) by Logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Does the Steam option engage the heater during the actual wash, or just the steam phase? Older posts on Houzz indicated that, once the initial steam phase was over, the machine would fill for a cool-down and then continue washing. It was not mentioned, if the water was reheated thereafter.
Also: how long does it take for a larger load to be saturated with steam on? I've seen a video on YouTube where it took quite a while for the clothes to be saturated with water/detergent, while the machine was boiling the enzymes underneath the drum. |
Post# 1117633 , Reply# 103   5/19/2021 at 09:16 (1,045 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Alex, I've always wondered what LG's approach was to accomplishing this function. On my Duet is the following sequence: Selecting steam option has the cycle fill with warm warm water. Then the wash load gradually heats the water to hot--this can be up to 50 minutes depending upon soil level. Then the wash water is drained and load receives a distribution speed spin. Then the steam generator is engaged and the load is steamed for up to 20 minutes then does the cool down. When Sanitize wash temperature is selected outright, the machine fills with hot water and the heater is engaged to boost the water temperature for 50 or so minutes. Then the wash water is drained and goes through the above mentioned sequence. It's my understanding that both LG and Whirlpool used a steam generator to accomplish all this back when this feature was first on the market. And that both brands discontinued the steam generator. But never clear as to how the tsk was executed now.
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Post# 1117655 , Reply# 105   5/19/2021 at 11:25 (1,044 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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I've made the following comment before either here or Gardenweb laundry forums. It's my opinion "steam" is/was used as a relatively low-energy, inexpensive way to raise the temperature in front loaders. If I remember correctly, when Whirlpool released their front loaders to the American market back in 2001 Sears was the first to offer the onboard heater and Whirlpool followed shortly thereafter in order to give Sears the marketing advantage of onboard heater. (Remember those of us at the August 2001 Wash-In going to a couple of Sears in Minneapolis to see in person their new front loaders and some of us "arming the Hettie" (giving a hello wave to ChestermikeUK) Sears version were named He and the HeT -- the T indicating onboard heater. Sears also offered the exclusive feature of stain treat button--which engaged the heater to gradually heat wash water from warm to Hot or Sanitize. Both Whirlpool and Sears models with the heater mentioned in the user manual that the Heavy Duty cycle provided stepped heating to allow the treatment of various types of stains as water was gradually heated. With Sears offering the stain treat button, that forced the gradual heating on other cycles rather than simply the single Heavy Duty cycle.
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Post# 1117665 , Reply# 107   5/19/2021 at 11:57 (1,044 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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As for Whirlpool's approach after removing the steam generator, I may be imagining this, but I seem to vaguely recall asking someone how the washer steams different than mine, I htink I understood that there is a small amount of water put in the outer tub near the heater and that pool of water is heated to such that it reaches a steaming point and the steam raises up through the load. Unfortunately, no one with newer Whirlpool versions has videoed and put on YouTube their washer doing a steam cycle. I'd like to believe (hope) their approach is different than LG and is similar to the sequence of my current Duet.
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Post# 1117669 , Reply# 108   5/19/2021 at 12:39 (1,044 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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Honestly, I think I could live without steam......as long as I have a heater, it sort of creates steam anyway....especially in sanitary...
The reason I'm no longer looking at Whirlpool is the door being plastic and them taking away the glass. That move just screams (let's cut corners throughout the machine to meet the best bottom line)...Now, I know LG is no Miele, but it doesn't feel nearly as cheap and according to Youtube, they are incredibly easy to take apart and service. |
Post# 1117673 , Reply# 109   5/19/2021 at 12:49 (1,044 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)   |   | |
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machines have steam, but it uses the heater to safely remove stains. They don't actually inject steam. |
Post# 1117679 , Reply# 110   5/19/2021 at 13:58 (1,044 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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the lg turbowash360 videos. I did notice the cold fill goes through the spray rinse nozzle. |
Post# 1117754 , Reply# 112   5/20/2021 at 07:54 (1,044 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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LG machines are quite serviceable and parts are usually OK-ish price wise. Especially the typical parts (hall sensor, pumps, PCBs) are quite easy to get to. They have splittable tubs and even often have drum spiders available as a separate part. So basically everything can be done at a reasonable cost if you do it yourself. |
Post# 1117771 , Reply# 113   5/20/2021 at 09:29 (1,043 days old) by trappn (Illinois)   |   | |
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I agree the LG's seem like they would be easy to work on; but, remember reading somewhere that the tubs are no longer splittable. Not that we're that eager to find out, though. |
Post# 1117783 , Reply# 115   5/20/2021 at 11:00 (1,043 days old) by Egress (Oregon)   |   | |
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hmm, maybe i'll have to take a peek inside my 3900 to verify this. seems like we don't know for certain if its one or the other. |
Post# 1117795 , Reply# 116   5/20/2021 at 12:24 (1,043 days old) by trappn (Illinois)   |   | |
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Home Depot's holiday price for the 4200 is $848. Matching gas dryer, $948. That's $50 less than Best Buy & Lowe's. We're going to jump on it. Only thing we're on the fence about is the extended warranty. |
Post# 1118503 , Reply# 119   5/27/2021 at 17:47 (1,036 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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if there is a difference in the exact same cycles between different models. Example, say, the towels cycle on the 3900, 4000, 4200, 4500. Would they all be identical, such as spray rinse length, rinse levels, etc?
That's a GREAT price for the 4200. I'm trying to remember, but when I got my standard Whirlpool dryer a couple of years ago, if I had to buy the cord separate...I totally forgot. Whirlpool must be really far behind because of COVID as I noticed a lot of the Maytag/Whirlpool's are out of stock. Do the Maytag FL's have plastic instead of glass? I remember a while back (I think it was Frigilux) said that after a while, their interim spins started acting up in the Maytag. Like it was a software issues or something. I finally got to see a Maytag FL in action and it wasn't bad at all. I feel like it used as much water as much current DUET and it had recirculation..... The thing about recirculation that I don't understand with some of the videos I've seen is that it will actually not engage for a while, then it will engage. I wonder when I'm watching why the recirculation isn't on during the entire wash/rinse phase, but more sporadically |
Post# 1118516 , Reply# 121   5/27/2021 at 20:15 (1,036 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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my Kenmore elite variant that it does the same thing with the accelawash active. |
Post# 1118523 , Reply# 122   5/27/2021 at 22:29 (1,036 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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All the big box stores are going to require (washer): new water hoses,(dryer) new
power cord and exhaust Hose. While you probably can still purchase the washer and dryer without them, have them delivered, but they may NOT install them, due to: using parts from the old set and/or purchasing new parts somewhere else. Since you mentioned the dryer is going to be gas, I would ask about the requirements for connecting the new gas line to the new dryer. |
Post# 1118685 , Reply# 125   5/29/2021 at 09:02 (1,035 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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Not knowing what I had mentioned in my last post, I had purchase new water hoses
for the washer, and new power cord for the dryer from the retailer, but used the existing exhaust hose(4" semi-rigid metal aluminum) that has a short run to the wall. I didn't purchase the steam hose kit from the retailer, but did buy steam hose kit off of amazon that is burst-proof. Then found out the installers could not install both machines due to the existing part and outside purchase of a new part. I understand why they could not install them and was fine with having to install them myself. |
Post# 1118724 , Reply# 129   5/29/2021 at 19:18 (1,034 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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NEVER buy an extended warranty on anything you can afford to have fixed, and if you are buying something you can not afford to have repaired you are buying a product that you can not afford.
Any consumer group or personal money manger will tell you this, people buying extended warranties is one of many reasons for the decline of the middle class in the US, you are paying out good money and only getting about 25% back in real services, you are often better off playing the state lottery.
Extended warranties usually only give you 2 or 4 years more protection over the 1 year warranty, almost no decent appliance will have any problems if installed and used properly in the first 5 years of use, so you have thrown away $200-300 dollars.
If you are concerned with long life and few repairs it is better to buy a SQ FL washer that will outlast a Chinese built LG by more than 2 to 1, and SQ comes with a 5 year wants for no extra cost.
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Post# 1118725 , Reply# 130   5/29/2021 at 19:25 (1,034 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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Post# 1118729 , Reply# 131   5/29/2021 at 19:37 (1,034 days old) by agiflow ()   |   | |
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Post# 1118730 , Reply# 132   5/29/2021 at 19:41 (1,034 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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But nearly EVERY one of their appliances I have seen in the past 6+ years say Made In China on them.
Because of the US tariff on FL washers that went into effect a few years ago, LG and SS are doing enough of the final assembly in the US to claim they are not imported and get around the tariff.
About 4 years ago a customer of ours bought a new SS W&D from Home Depot and was very dissatisfied with the sloppy way HD installed them so she paid me to reinstall them properly, as she walked out of the laundry room she " at least they are not made in China " Her husband who was helping me move the machines around pointed to the Made In China printed on the model tags, LOL
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Post# 1118747 , Reply# 134   5/30/2021 at 01:04 (1,034 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)   |   | |
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Post# 1118748 , Reply# 135   5/30/2021 at 01:12 (1,034 days old) by Egress (Oregon)   |   | |
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DD motor has many fewer parts to fail compared to the VMW platform, and the motor can reverse much faster. |
Post# 1118789 , Reply# 136   5/30/2021 at 14:36 (1,033 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )   |   | |
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My LG 3700 purchased last year was made in Vietnam.. I used to eschew extended warrantys as well... but after all the kitchenaid problems I've experienced, the problems my sister has encountered with her fairly new Maytag Commercial Style TL washer.. I can afford to have them fixed if need be but the cost of one housecall alone is around $100 here and that's just to come to the house, no parts or labor. I'm getting 5 yr exteneded warranties on all new major appliances. Which reminds me I still have to and get one on that new Carrier minisplit heat pump I had installed late last August.
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Post# 1118790 , Reply# 137   5/30/2021 at 14:54 (1,033 days old) by agiflow ()   |   | |
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Your opinion about LG is just that...an opinion. Your opinions aren't fact littlegreeny. |
Post# 1118837 , Reply# 138   5/30/2021 at 23:27 (1,033 days old) by trappn (Illinois)   |   | |
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,,,,,for my response. There is a history between ourselves and the respondent; but, that is no excuse. Thanks. |
Post# 1118838 , Reply# 139   5/30/2021 at 23:37 (1,033 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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ON another post...we were talking about how much cheaper the whirlpools look and feel now.....when they added plastic instead of glass, when all the other brands kept glass. It just begs the question if they can't even spring for glass as they did in the past, what else did they cheapen? Add to this Friglux's post about friends of his buying a Whirlpool pair of FL washers recently and the board has already gone out (twice I think, don't quote me). Then, in addition to that, I can't remember if it was Frigilux or someone else that used to have a Maytag FL washer (maybe 4 or 5 years ago) and although I remember they LOVED it, there was a software problem where the spin wouldn't ramp up to the RPM's it was supposed to. I remember there being a post about a few people talking about experiencing that.
That all being said. Every SINGLE thing in my house is Whirlpool. The over the range microwave is as Old as my house and still works (Since Sept, 2004). Same as the Range....The fridge has been replaced, the dryer and the dishwasher. The dishwasher is a Maytag now 7 yrs old. Zero problems. The fridge is 3 ish years old. No problems so far... But none of that means nothing when companies can completely change over the years. If I had to buy a FL washer now: It's between 3. Either a SQ, LG with turbowash, or a Maytag FL with heater. |
Post# 1118843 , Reply# 140   5/31/2021 at 01:20 (1,033 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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Post# 1120249 , Reply# 142   6/14/2021 at 11:42 (1,018 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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you mentioned about clothes coming out of the dryer either overdone or underdone
what cycle is being used? Dryer sheets don't mix well with the newer LG dryers, the sensors on them are sensitive. I don't use dryer sheets for the reasons you mentioned, but I do use fabric softener carefully dosed. I have used steam a few times, worked very well. eventually I will use the steam option in replacement of fabric softener, which is the best choice for static control. |
Post# 1120287 , Reply# 144   6/14/2021 at 15:21 (1,018 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)   |   | |
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On our LG, I use the timed setting to dry my towels out because the towels setting on it I feel like it doesn't quite get done all the way even though we don't use fabric softener or dryer sheets. And I always use the extra rinse setting on the washer because I feel like it doesn't rinse all the soap out completely. All in all, I like using the dryer sheets because I can use the old ones to easily clean lint off from the screen.
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Post# 1120292 , Reply# 145   6/14/2021 at 15:49 (1,018 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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Post# 1120307 , Reply# 146   6/14/2021 at 19:00 (1,018 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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I prefer to use fabric softener. |
Post# 1120318 , Reply# 147   6/14/2021 at 22:37 (1,018 days old) by twintubdexter (Palm Springs)   |   | |
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For what it's worth, when I was with Macy's California years ago, the most profitable item the entire store sold was extended warranties, particularly on televisions. They made a killing, much to the delight of the greedy upper management. They operated like the late Jack Benny joked about wealth..."it's not that I don't have enough money, it's just that I don't have all of it". |
Post# 1120324 , Reply# 149   6/14/2021 at 23:35 (1,018 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)   |   | |
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Post# 1120341 , Reply# 151   6/15/2021 at 09:23 (1,018 days old) by Golittlesport (California)   |   | |
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I typically will push the dryness level up one notch on a mixed load of clothes on my LG dryer. If not, it seems to shut off when the thinnest fabrics are dry leaving heavier items a bit damp. When all items are the same fabric, such a load of sheets, it dries perfectly on the default setting. Once you get used to all the options you have on your machines and which ones work best for you I'm sure you will be fine.
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Post# 1120343 , Reply# 152   6/15/2021 at 09:39 (1,017 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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It takes time with a new setup to figure it out before you start hating it. I vividly remember back in 2005 when I first got my Duet pair. The first few loads I was so bummed out. I remember being horrified by the low water use (expecting laundromat front load action) and the clothes in the dryer were wrinkled too. The wrinkling was mostly the dryers fault, not the washers. I figured out eventually the load size matters, so I eventually got it right. When my Duet dryer died a few yrs ago, I replaced it with a standard whirlpool dryer. I noticed 2 things: The auto dry is more accurate than the sensor dry (for me, anyway) and sheets do not ball up like they did in the duet dryer.
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Post# 1120348 , Reply# 153   6/15/2021 at 10:33 (1,017 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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Yes I have the same model WM4200. The Energy Saver Option is used on the
Normal cycle only, can not be used with any other cycles. I have not used it and most likely never will. I have used about 95% of all the cycles included the downloaded cycles on the washer, about 1/4th of them I use regularly. 1/3rd on the downloaded cycles on the dryer I use regularly. I used the highest spin speed that is allowed for the cycle, and on the dryer use the default dryness level with no problems so far. |
Post# 1120451 , Reply# 155   6/16/2021 at 13:19 (1,016 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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I went over this confusion a couple of years ago when I got my standard Whirlpool dryer. Those have had auto-dry for decades, haven't they? However, I never paid attention in the past. When I got my duet front load pair, the dryer had "sensor" dry with strips inside the drum to detect moisture. I didn't know the difference until someone here explained it to me. At any rate, I never felt like the sensor dry was nearly as accurate (believe it or not) as this auto-dry on my current whirlpool. It's not perfect, but mostly if I hit the dial between normal and more dry, the load dryness is almost perfect. You can tell they didn't keep tumbling while bone dry because I can feel a wee bit of moisture in certain spots that are thick (even those spots are dry enough to put away)
If I have a really heavy full load, it's a different story. I have to move the dial well above more dry or it will end the cycle with clothes still too damp for me. I'm not sure why this is. I can put a medium load no normal and it's perfectly dry.....but a heavy full load on normal isn't. But I've figured about where to turn the dial for it to end up being dry without over drying on those big loads. There have been a couple of times where I went to check the load as it was drying and they were bone dry and the dial still hadn't even made it to less dry yet...At this point, I can almost use the timer instead because I know how long it will take based on the load contents or size of the load. |
Post# 1120454 , Reply# 156   6/16/2021 at 13:46 (1,016 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)   |   | |
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it used to be there two types of auto dry systems. The lower end type was a sensor in the exhaust flow, and sensed the dryness of the exhaust air. Higher end models included an/or/and, an additional in the drum sensor sensing dampness in the clothing. |
Post# 1120456 , Reply# 157   6/16/2021 at 13:52 (1,016 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Interesting, the disconnect between "auto dry" and "sensor dry" ... they're the same concept (the machine automatically varies drying time based on the characteristics of moisture evaporation on individual loads), handled via different methods (indirectly via temperature or directly via contact with the fabric). Moisture-sensing auto dry isn't all that new of a thing, been offered for more than 55 years. |
Post# 1120466 , Reply# 159   6/16/2021 at 15:22 (1,016 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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My opinion, the two systems are both auto-dry. More correct to differentiate them as thermostatic auto-dry and moisture-sensing auto-dry. Thermostatic in my experience is not consistent when the dryer is installed in a non-climate-controlled space such as a garage or porch. Cold weather causes longer run-time and over-drying trying to reach the target temperature to run the timer out to Off, while the clothes are still drying, giving up moisture during that process. Very hot weather skews the other direction. Moisture-sensing is more consistent via directly reading the moisture level of the fabric without dependency on hitting the temperature point to run-out the timer. |
Post# 1120468 , Reply# 161   6/16/2021 at 15:27 (1,016 days old) by trappn (Illinois)   |   | |
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......None of the written instructions for the washer rinse & spin or the two dryer self-tests actually work on our units. Makes you wonder. |
Post# 1120476 , Reply# 162   6/16/2021 at 17:48 (1,016 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Yes I agree Glenn Any dryer where you are not setting a timer has auto dry.
DOE regulations have required an auto dry cycle on dryers for at least 25 years.
Dryers with actual moisture sensors all have electrical sensing strips inside the drum that the clothing touch [ I have never seen a dryer with a moisture sensor in the exhaust duct etc or anywhere else except inside the drum ]
The other main type is a Time-Temperature system which as Glenn noted can be mislead by room temperature ex-streams and long or very short exhaust duct runs, however these systems can be very accurate and predictable.
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Post# 1120492 , Reply# 163   6/16/2021 at 20:07 (1,016 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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where I interrupted auto dry, only to find that the clothes were BONE dry, right? Yet, the dial hadn't even made it to LESS DRY. No telling how much longer it would have progressed with HEAT, had I not stopped it. I'm trying to understand how that happens if there is absolutely zero moisture being exhausted. Like I said, it's not perfect, but sometimes turning the dial above MORE DRY will cause this, other times it will be perfect.
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Post# 1120501 , Reply# 164   6/16/2021 at 21:20 (1,016 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Nothing mysterious about any of it. Thermostatic auto-dry operates solely on temperature. The temperature thermostat in the exhaust air path controls the timer. The timer does not run when the heat source is on and does run when the heat is off. Moisture evaporating from the load keeps the air temperature down which keeps the heat on to reach the target temperature. The clothes retain heat better as they progress toward dryness and the air heats faster with less moisture content to evaporate, so the heat source runs for shorter periods to maintain the target temperature and the timer runs for longer periods to move along toward Off. Moisture sensing auto-dry uses a low-voltage electric circuit to run an analog timer per (lack of) moisture hits on the sensor bars, or as input to an electronic control board that counts the hits against its program algorithms. Heating response curve via temperature readings from a thermistor can be incorporated into the algorithms with the moisture hit counting but direct moisture sensing is the primary factor. Moisture-sensing systems nowadays with an electronic control board typically dry until the moisture hits drop to a trigger level then continue for a timed run-out and cool down. Program algorithms can vary the run-out time depending on the selected cycle (type of fabric), temperature curve input, how long it took for the moisture hits to drop to the trigger point (which also can vary per the fabric/cycle), and other such factors. Thermostatic auto-dry can't do that. All dryers reasonably have a thermostat(s) or a thermistor as such to control the drying temperature, otherwise the heat source would never turn off, with potential to scorch the clothes or cause a fire. |
Post# 1120506 , Reply# 165   6/16/2021 at 23:32 (1,016 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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Post# 1120507 , Reply# 166   6/16/2021 at 23:54 (1,016 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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you can do a rinse and spin on any cycle on the dial, and times will be different
for each. Here's how to execute a rinse and spin for a cycle: Turn on the machine, turn dial to a cycle of choice, press the rinse and spin button, press Start. ** you can add up to 3 ADDITIONAL rinses, on rinse and spin with most cycles, a few cycles only allow 2 additional rinses** |
Post# 1120509 , Reply# 167   6/17/2021 at 00:30 (1,016 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Mark, I'm curious how long your dryer will run to shut-off with no clothes on the Regular/Normal auto dry cycle, at the designated Normal dry level and whatever is considered the regular temperature (high? medium?). I checked mine a few mins ago. The display says "Sensing Dampness" at the start, then "Drying Damp" and progresses from there through the dryness levels as they're reached (Damp, Damp+, Dry, Dry+, Extra Dry) to the selected target, then Cooling and shut-off. Cool down is to 95°F or maximum of 10 mins. Normal cycle (medium 140°F temperature) at Dry level with clothes would be Sensing Dampness, Drying Damp, Damp, Damp+, Dry --> Cooling. The test went from Sensing Dampness directly to Cooling in 5 mins 30 seconds. No moisture hits so it didn't need to continue through the dryness levels. Cool down 2 mins 45 seconds, it shut off at 8 mins 15 seconds total. |
Post# 1120537 , Reply# 169   6/17/2021 at 08:24 (1,016 days old) by trappn (Illinois)   |   | |
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....thanks for the info. We finally stumbled upon the "enhanced" users manual by scanning the QR code. Even that one states "Do not select a cycle." We tried it your way, and it works perfectly. Thanks. |
Post# 1120569 , Reply# 170   6/17/2021 at 12:29 (1,015 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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Compared to your test, I'd say mine was a total fail.
Ok, at exactly 1pm I turned dial to normal (auto dry) medium heat and started with nothing in it. At 1:08 it made it to less dry, by 1:14 it was on cool down, and at 1:27, got the buzz. I never knew how long cool down was on this dryer. After 1:14, the heat did not come back on, so it was in cooldown from 1:14 to 1:27
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Post# 1120573 , Reply# 171   6/17/2021 at 12:39 (1,015 days old) by Egress (Oregon)   |   | |
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I think our LG's cooldown is 5 minutes only, no matter the cycle. the cats love it, but laundry can be quite warm still after the dryer turns off. |
Post# 1120575 , Reply# 172   6/17/2021 at 12:50 (1,015 days old) by Logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 1120580 , Reply# 173   6/17/2021 at 13:02 (1,015 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Mark, Whirlpool pioneered the 10 minute cool down back in 1958 when they gave is Wash 'n' Wear cycles. When Whirlpool still offered 3 timed dry cycles (WnW/PP, Delicate, Normal) or Automatic Dry Regular and Automatic WnW/PP, the Regular and Delicate cycles only had a 5 minute cool down. When Whirlpool consolidate both their Automatic Dry cycles into 1 all-fabric cycle then all dry cycles had a 10 minute cool down. My Maytag LDE9824 has 6 minute cool down for IntelliDry Regular and 12 minute cool down for IntelliDry Permanent Press. For the 12 years I still had the Lady Shredmore after I got teh Maytag dryer, I used the Regular Dry for loads that were towels or underwear type things that were in rapid succession. Saving those 6 minutes helped get those loads processed faster. I petty much use the Perm Press dry cycle for all loads now, particularly after I moved to front loaders in 2006.
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Post# 1120584 , Reply# 174   6/17/2021 at 14:01 (1,015 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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takes 5 minutes to cooldown on all sensor cycles. I use normal without energy saver. |
Post# 1120587 , Reply# 175   6/17/2021 at 14:30 (1,015 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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It's hard to tell if the cool down was 10 min's or 13. Because part of that 13 min's could have been the very end of the less dry...so if I had to guess, this cool down on my particular dryer is 10 minutes exactly, which I would have never guessed it was that long. So some of the loads that get dry in 40 min's, actually only literally took 30 min to dry. And the loads that take an hour really took 50 min's. (LOL)
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Post# 1120588 , Reply# 176   6/17/2021 at 15:08 (1,015 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Mark, as you move your timer dial from less dry to off, there SHOULD be a "click" or notch and that means the cool down phase has started. then that period is from that point until it turns off, which should be another click or notch.
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Post# 1120597 , Reply# 178   6/17/2021 at 17:18 (1,015 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Mark, 14 mins to start of cool down is about what I'd expect on a mechanical timer, maybe a bit less than expected. Normal dry historically is at center of the range, but is skewed more conservative nowadays toward the Less Dry end. You can probably set your timer for much more "dryness" than the designated More Dry position. Is your Wrinkle Shield feature selectable On/Off or always active on the Auto Dry cycle? Does it tumble continuously for the duration or intermittently (I'm guessing continuously)? As stated previously, cool down on my dryer on auto-dry is to 95°F or maximum 10 mins to avoid running for a very long time if unable to reach 95°F in a high-temp environment. Timed drying cools for 10 mins on the 80- and 40-mins cycle selections, 5 mins on the 20-mins cycle. Also, the Regular cycle heat temperature is 149°F, not 140°F. Cycle options say Regular is Medium+ temperature. High (Heavy, Denims, etc.) and Medium+ are both 149°F but there is no information on what's the difference between them. Maybe the control board keeps the air temp tighter around 149°F for High than Medium+. Medium (PPress) is 140°F. Low/Delicate is 127°F. |
Post# 1120602 , Reply# 179   6/17/2021 at 18:18 (1,015 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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My dryer has 3 buttons. The main knob you see in the picture above. Then 2 other buttons. One is cycle signal on/off and the other is heat selection of high/med/low
the main dial's wrinkle shield is always on and it's not a constant tumble. It's intermittent until you open the door. Once you open the door and close it, it stops. I usually turn the dial back to off myself, but a few times I've forgotten it and it moves itself back to off but nothing runs (LOL)? With a large heavy load, I have to turn it past more dry, but not much past if I want the clothes to be dry by the end. For normal sized medium loads, I turn the dial just slightly above normal. Most of the time it gets it right if I do this. |
Post# 1120699 , Reply# 181   6/18/2021 at 12:34 (1,014 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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I keep little mental notes when reading posts on this forum is someone mentions a control board issue over the years... and it's almost always Whirlpool. Yes, I've heard other brands too but not nearly as much as Whirlpool. Even I had an issue the 2nd year of owning my Duet in 2005 and the duet Dryer a few years ago before I replaced it. But I've mostly had great luck with anything Whirlpool made so I can only go by what I read on the internet..
Yes these standard dryers are great. I think my favorite thing of all is they don't ball up sheets. I suffered for years with my Duet dryer struggling to get sheets dry because the cycle would end and it would be a damp ball in the middle with everything else one dry and I couldn't put them away until they were dry because I store them in a chest. Even using tennis balls didn't help. With this dryer, when the dryer buzzes, the sheets are dry all the way and not balled up. |
Post# 1122941 , Reply# 184   7/11/2021 at 09:28 (991 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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Very glad to hear you fallen in love with your new LG set. you will find your
go to cycles/favorites that you use most. I have used almost all of the cycles on both of the machines and pleasantly happy with the results. Have you used any of the "downloaded" cycles? There is a handful of cycles on both machines I use that I think are very useful. Keep us informed |
Post# 1122999 , Reply# 186   7/11/2021 at 19:39 (991 days old) by Golittlesport (California)   |   | |
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Glad to hear you're liking your new set.
Protein based stains, like blood, will set in hot water and should be treated in cold or cool water. Oily dirt and sweat usually need hot water as it softens and dissolves oil and the fat in sweat. Hot water default on "collars and cuffs" cycle makes sense to me. I always pretreat stains before going into the machine anyway. |
Post# 1123002 , Reply# 187   7/11/2021 at 20:58 (991 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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With these two donwnloaded cycles, is steam a default on either one? Can you add steam option to the default settings for either of these cycles? How about adding a prewash optoin to these cycles? Ever since I got my Duet, I ceased having to waste time treating stains. My steam option started with warm/cool water and heated the water to hot from there.
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Post# 1123016 , Reply# 188   7/11/2021 at 22:20 (991 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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to answer your questions: on downloaded cycles "collars and cuffs" and "juice and food" Neither cycles have steam as Default and can not add pre-wash to either while Steam option is selected.
You CAN select extra hot on both(hot is default) WITH pre-wash added. Once Steam option is choice, you can not select any water temperatures. Both Extra hot and Steam option lengthens cycle times GREATLY regardless of soil level chosen. |
Post# 1123017 , Reply# 189   7/11/2021 at 22:44 (991 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 1123041 , Reply# 190   7/12/2021 at 08:08 (991 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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Post# 1123078 , Reply# 191   7/12/2021 at 12:07 (990 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 1123084 , Reply# 192   7/12/2021 at 12:51 (990 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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is always cold. I assume this is because you don't want certain stains, especially blood to set into clothes. |
Post# 1123110 , Reply# 194   7/12/2021 at 19:16 (990 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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Pre-wash is always cold, that can not be changed. It was the same on my last
LG washer also. Trappn, The user guide seems to be written very generic and doesn't say really anything other than what allergiene cycle is used for. I have not used the steam option yet on the cycles that allow it, have used the allergiene cycle 1X so far, its a long cycle. I do use the Extra-Hot water temperature fairly regularly. I'll suggest try on tough odor removal, hard to remove stains, allergies. I will say the allergiene cycle uses very little water and adds a little at a time for the steaming process. That's the best I can offer right now. |
Post# 1123387 , Reply# 195   7/16/2021 at 06:13 (987 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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it will always start with cold water in short bursts, especially on the normal cycle. |
Post# 1123409 , Reply# 196   7/16/2021 at 09:45 (986 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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Post# 1123869 , Reply# 197   7/22/2021 at 14:13 (980 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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you just press power, spin speed, then start. |
Post# 1123878 , Reply# 198   7/22/2021 at 19:36 (980 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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recently replace a 17 year old whirlpool duet set washer and dryer for this set and so far i have been using auto dry setting more dry high heat its like the dryer moisture sensor on the auto dry cycle even if i set it to high heat do not add extra heat and its a maytag set topload washer with matching dryer pic of new set
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Post# 1123881 , Reply# 199   7/22/2021 at 20:14 (980 days old) by luxflairguy (Wilmington NC)   |   | |
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Thank you Pierre! Can others make up make up their own minds? There are a lot of choices out there! |
Post# 1123891 , Reply# 200   7/23/2021 at 01:05 (980 days old) by trappn (Illinois)   |   | |
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....perhaps we are stray'n a little off course on this thread. Just say'n. Thanks. |
Post# 1124037 , Reply# 201   7/24/2021 at 23:10 (978 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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Post# 1124039 , Reply# 202   7/24/2021 at 23:48 (978 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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Post# 1124046 , Reply# 203   7/25/2021 at 02:42 (978 days old) by trappn (Illinois)   |   | |
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......most didn't seem to intend any harm. Please, keep any relevant thoughts or opinions coming. Thanks, again. |
Post# 1124721 , Reply# 205   8/1/2021 at 23:57 (970 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 1124722 , Reply# 206   8/2/2021 at 00:25 (970 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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Post# 1124723 , Reply# 207   8/2/2021 at 00:46 (970 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Rich thanks. Just means, I select the sensor cycle to match what temperature I want and adjust the degree of dryness to what I want.
What does AI do for the Normal cycle then? My 26.66 y/o Maytag dryer is giving up the ghost. I need a dryer with a pedestal and my cabinet clearance is between 53.25 & 53.50 inches. Whirpool is too tall. |
Post# 1124725 , Reply# 208   8/2/2021 at 01:49 (970 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)   |   | |
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that is correct. once you get to know what cycle temperatures are.
AI ==Artificial Intelligence is a fabric sensor/smart pairing. AI senses the fabric characteristics being dried and adjusts the cycle accordingly. AI is with most cycles(washer and dryer) smart pairing is washer communicating with the dryer and selects the proper corresponding cycle for the dryer.(dial cycles only, does not for the "downloaded" cycles.) Note: washer and dryer must be connected to internet WIFI in order for the smart pairing to operate |
Post# 1129501 , Reply# 210   9/24/2021 at 12:35 (916 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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I''m having problems connecting to LG's server. I've just about had it. Everything else has progressed fine Checking the connection, security check, and still trying to connnect to the server And that's after I activated the WiFi.
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Post# 1129515 , Reply# 212   9/24/2021 at 19:24 (916 days old) by Egress (Oregon)   |   | |
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yeah, we had issues with the washer disconnecting, but the dryer has been fine. no clue why only the washer has issues. |
Post# 1129542 , Reply# 213   9/24/2021 at 23:21 (916 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Not sure how this happened, but I got it to work finally!!!
I got to see the downloadable cycles and saw there's one that's for ultra delicates. the only way currently to access ultra low temperature is via timed dry. This downloadable cycle is an auto dry using ultra low temperature, which I have a need for as opposed to the default downloable cycle Super Dry. |
Post# 1129545 , Reply# 214   9/25/2021 at 00:18 (916 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )   |   | |
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Join the club. I seldom if ever even use my LG washers connectivity but when we switched from our old cable service to this new broadband based tv and internet service they installed an new all in one modem/router. Since then it was hit or miss and I was spending ages trying to get it to connect and it seldom does so I've pretty much given up on it. It more annoys me that it doesn't work, even though as I said I seldom use it or need it,, it just bugs me when something doesn't work. LOL. Sometimes I can still ask Alexa what the washers status is, but again that's hit and miss. This new modem/router automatically switches from 2 to 5 g and I think that may be my issue.
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Post# 1129560 , Reply# 216   9/25/2021 at 09:41 (915 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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WiFi routers should broadcast on both bands. They should be configured with different network names (SSID) for the two bands so one can knowingly choose which band for connecting a device. The passwords for the two bands can be the same for the convenience of not dealing with two different passwords, or the passwords can be different ... either way won't affect the device connection which is chosen by the network name. 2.4GHz has a larger signal coverage area but slower speed. Some devices such as thermostats and appliances may work only on this band. Check your router settings to be sure this slower band is enabled and properly configured if you have such devices involved. 5GHz provides higher speed but smaller coverage area. |
Post# 1129632 , Reply# 217   9/26/2021 at 09:12 (915 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)   |   | |
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The Kenmore’s and LG WashTower would never connect with 5 GHz. Always 2.4 GHz. I always found the Permanent Press cycle to be great on the WashTower dryer. |