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Post# 1115437   4/24/2021 at 01:54 (1,069 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        

After a couple of years on the fence, we may go with the WM4000. Believe this is intended to take the place of the 3900, and is a little cheaper.

One of the complaints about this model (and, perhaps, earlier models) is the lack of a spin-only cycle. On the control panel, we only see Rinse & Spin.

We've also heard that some cycles are "downloadable." How does this work, exactly? Are the downloaded cycles executed from the machine, or a phone?

Thanks for your help.






Post# 1115442 , Reply# 1   4/24/2021 at 04:02 (1,069 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Spin only

Unless they changed that, you switch on and before you select anything, you just press the spin speed button.




You download the cycle via your phone, however it is executed on the machine.


Post# 1115453 , Reply# 2   4/24/2021 at 10:13 (1,068 days old) by Golittlesport (California)        
spin only on LG FL

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Yes, that's exactly how you select "spin only" on my LG 3570. It is explained in the user manual.

Post# 1115454 , Reply# 3   4/24/2021 at 10:13 (1,068 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        
downloaded cycle

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you must install LG's "ThinQ" app to you smartphone, then mate your machine to

ThinQ app, for many more cycle and option choices, then connect your machine to

your home Wifi to use the downloaded cycle.

Having just purchased a LG WM4200, which is the advanced tier, highest efficiency

model, I have used some of the downloaded cycles on both washer and dryer,

which I like them so far, haven't got to try all of them out yet. Also with

the Smart Pairing, the washer pairs WITH the dryer and automatically will

choose the correct drying cycle and temperature for the load to be dried! I use

that feature a fair amount. Makes doing laundry enjoyable.


Post# 1115455 , Reply# 4   4/24/2021 at 10:19 (1,068 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Though I used the EU version

Pairing the machines can be a bit finicky, but once set up everything runs ok.



When paired with the app you get alerts on your phone if either finished, which is nice.
Of course only if you want to.



I found remotely selecting a cycle to be quite annoying sometimes.

The UI sometimes just glitched out.





However, once you downloaded a cycle, that cycle will stay downloaded onto the "Download" position on the machine.

So you don't have to use the app every time you wanna run a downloaded cycle.





One thing though is that both machines have to have a WiFi signal at their setup location.

Some people are less lucky with that, really depends on your floor plan and location of router.


Post# 1115465 , Reply# 5   4/24/2021 at 12:27 (1,068 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Rich, congratulations on the new washer & dryer. Be sure to update your profile to reflect the change in your machines.

I'm probably going to email you cuz I got numerous questions you will probably be able to answer for me after you use the machines for a while.


Post# 1115471 , Reply# 6   4/24/2021 at 13:27 (1,068 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
New machines

I have a new Kenmore Elite 41982 washer that is built by LG. I can safely tell you that front load machines have come a long way in the past few years. The Kenmore rarely has an issue distributing clothes and ramping up to spin. This makes cycle times much faster. It is very quiet too. The loudest part is when filling. Only thing, just remember that using the Normal cycle will use lower temps than you are used to. Hot = Warm water in a majority of cases.

Post# 1115499 , Reply# 7   4/24/2021 at 20:22 (1,068 days old) by Egress (Oregon)        

we own a wm3900 and the matching dryer. they have been extremely good so far, and I don't think i've found something it cant clean yet. I've stuck entire area rugs in it and its managed to clean.

i think my favorite download cycle is the cuffs/collars cycle, it ramps the water heat up during the wash and i've found it gets stains out very well. use it on napkins & stuff.
I think the only issue i've had is that you have to use a miniscule amount of detergent. it has suds locked a few times and goes into the sud decreasing mode which adds 1-2 hours to the cycle time... other than that its been superb!


Post# 1115503 , Reply# 8   4/24/2021 at 21:07 (1,068 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Marco, it's good you've figured out a downloaded cycle can be appropriate for other things besides the label of the cycle. What I look for is what the cycle does and how it executes it and if it's applicable to other types of loads I might want. Good for you. My cotton sheets cycle on my Whirlpool Duet is my go to cycle for everyday cotton clothes worn around the house. It's normal soil, warm water and the heater comes on to maintain temperature.

Post# 1115505 , Reply# 9   4/24/2021 at 21:37 (1,068 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        

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I own the 3900 pair and really like them.  I still have my old Maytag A606 out in the garage that I fire up every now and then, but this front loader has grown on me.  I'll have to try the cuffs and collar cycle!


Post# 1115514 , Reply# 10   4/25/2021 at 01:05 (1,068 days old) by Egress (Oregon)        

I just looked and theres a dedicated food stain cycle that I didn't see last time. they must have added it recently.

Post# 1115517 , Reply# 11   4/25/2021 at 02:40 (1,068 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
Wow.......

We can't thank everyone enough for all the feedback. Appreciated more than you could possibly imagine.

Egress.....Especially with our soft-water system, thought we should probably adhere to the Lorain rule of no more than two tablespoons, per load. If we are wrong, welcome everyone's feedback.

We are not afraid to spend money for a superior product. So far, not that impressed with the new automatic dispensing systems on the newer LG's.

Before moving on the 4000, would anyone care to chime in? Thanks a million!


Post# 1115531 , Reply# 12   4/25/2021 at 11:12 (1,067 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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" So far, not that impressed with the new automatic dispensing systems on the newer LG's."

Trappn, please explain the thoughts behind this comment.  I'd like your perception so I can compare it with my Duet Precision Dispense brought out over 12 years ago and also I can compare it to Wirlpool's current auto dosing sytem.


Post# 1115534 , Reply# 13   4/25/2021 at 11:56 (1,067 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        
LG WM4200 VS WM4500

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The only difference between 2 of LG model washers is: WM4200 does not have the

auto dosing liquid detergent and fabric softener cartridges, and WM4500 does.

I was not attracted to the 4500 model due to I have and use a menagerie of

detergents, and didn't want to be restricted to using only liquid

detergents only. Other than that, they are the exact same machines. I will say

that my new WM4200 washer, rinsing is MUCH better and Balances easier and faster

than my last LG set I had, resulting in getting through a cycle faster. The

Turbo Wash option is amazing, I use it in all the cycles that will allow it.

The downloaded cycles that I have used so far, I've been very pleased with

the results. I recommend the Denim, small load, econo wash cycles so far.

I will be trying out a few more of the other downloaded cycles soon. In total

there is 19 downloaded cycles, not including the standard cycles already on

the dial of 14 cycles. Those will keep me entertained for a while.







Post# 1115538 , Reply# 14   4/25/2021 at 12:43 (1,067 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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The 4500 also has a tub light. For me I've gotten spoiled with that so that I can sit and watch the washer as my current duet has. The 4500 cabinet is also significantly different with a square door instead of a round door. Also the 4500 is only available in Black.

Post# 1115577 , Reply# 15   4/25/2021 at 19:55 (1,067 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
appnut & powerfin64..........

We're still thinking things through, and may still go with the WM4500.

Was thinking the Whirlpool auto dispenser might be more programmable. We don't use fabric softener, and would like to be able to program that cartridge for a 2nd detergent. Was thinking you could do that on the Whirlpool. Not sure about the LG.

Another thing is that the 4500 has the larger capacity, which we are trying to stay away from. Except for the king-size bedding, our loads aren't that big, anymore.

Was thinking the WM4000 would be OK for the king-size comforter.

From what we can see, the 4000 & the 4200 are the same machine, except for capacity.

The light in the 4500 would be nice.

By Memorial Day, we will choose the 4000, or the 4500. Welcome your comments.

Thanks.


Post# 1115582 , Reply# 16   4/25/2021 at 20:52 (1,067 days old) by Egress (Oregon)        

I can fit an entire queen size comforter + cover + both fitted and loose sheets in the 3900. washes & spins fine on the bedding cycle, but dryer sometimes bunches everything up and doesn't dry.


IMO autodosing is overrated. we use 3 different detergents weekly & it honestly isn't that big of a deal.

we use tide pods for most loads, powder detergent works better for hot water washes which we try to run at least once weekly to keep the washer healthier. we almost never run cold washes unless clothing explicitly calls for it, since not only does it not clean as well but also the drum stays wetter for longer, which could cause more mildew to build up.

these washers are able to adapt to almost all sizes of loads. I've done loads as small as 2-3 shirts and as full as the tub can go and everything comes out nicely clean at the end. cycle time isn't exorbitantly long either for general loads, only about 30-45 minutes for a week of clothing.


Post# 1115585 , Reply# 17   4/25/2021 at 21:20 (1,067 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
I've done

small loads on normal/turbowash and it can last anywhere from 26-53 minutes.

Post# 1115586 , Reply# 18   4/25/2021 at 21:21 (1,067 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
personally

I would use the auto dose for laundry detergent and fabric softener. I have a bad habit of using too much or too little.

Post# 1115587 , Reply# 19   4/25/2021 at 21:28 (1,067 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
and of course

I use laundry detergent and fabric softener on everything.

Post# 1115590 , Reply# 20   4/25/2021 at 21:59 (1,067 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
Egress

Ironically, I did the same today! Mattress pad, cover and fitted sheet with 4 pillowcases, and the quilt comforter. The 5.2 cu ft Kenmore ate them alive. And yes, I dried in 3 loads. Lol. Certainly one of the worst parts of this machine is how your dryer is outmatched.

Post# 1115592 , Reply# 21   4/25/2021 at 22:06 (1,067 days old) by Egress (Oregon)        

its not consistent either. sometimes it'll dry in 1 cycle and sometimes i have to do 3 or 4 to get everything dry. IDK how LG senses the load dryness level but it certainly isn't reliable.

Post# 1115600 , Reply# 22   4/25/2021 at 23:20 (1,067 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        
a few differences between

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4000 and 4200, 4000 is 4.5 cu.ft, less cycles, 4200/4500 are both 5 cu.ft with same cycles.

4200 round door, no drum light(wish mine had one!)4500 rounded-square door, with

drum light and liquid detergent and fabric softener cartridges. both are advanced

tier efficiency rating.

I originally wanted the 4000 set, but after deep research, changed my mind and

choose 4200, have been very happy with my decision. LG laundry has come

a long way since I purchased my first LG set 11 years ago(which I just replaced

with the4200) which was WM2050!


Post# 1115605 , Reply# 23   4/26/2021 at 01:46 (1,067 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
Interesting.........

More great input.

Didn't realize the matching dryer might be a problem. Are we just talking about bedding, or everything?

Also, is it when the washer & dryer are communicating, or when cycles are selected manually, or both?

Thanks.


Post# 1115616 , Reply# 24   4/26/2021 at 07:54 (1,066 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Dryer sizing

Dryers should be twice the size of the washer to dry the same full load.

That is in general.
Very few people fully fill a 4.5 cuft washer, so slightly smaller is fine.


Things like towels are fine being in a fuller dryer.

High loading in a dryer means more creasing and more uneven drying.
So some items like shirts and such or large bulky items just want more space in a dryer.

Mixing things like pillows or comforters with stuff like fitted sheets or other large items promotes uneven drying.


Post# 1115645 , Reply# 25   4/26/2021 at 13:15 (1,066 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        
matching dryer capacity

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dryer capacity for 4000,4200/4500 are all the same 7.4 cu.ft which is very big

and deep in size. Drying comforters of any size should not be a problem and was

not with my last LG dryer and it was 7.3 cu.ft. The condition of your dryer

venting is very important and needs to be checked and cleaned at least once a

year to dry consistently, also using the correct drying cycle. this all makes a

difference how the machine operates how it should.


Post# 1115690 , Reply# 26   4/27/2021 at 01:46 (1,066 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Rich, I sent you an email on Saturday the 24th. It may have gone to Spam if you didn't see it.

Post# 1115692 , Reply# 27   4/27/2021 at 03:10 (1,066 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
appnut........

No response to the OP?

We responded to your query.

Thanks.


Post# 1115727 , Reply# 28   4/27/2021 at 12:55 (1,065 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Trappn, I apologize.


The liquid concentration is determined by the number of ounces in the bottled divided by the stated number of loads on the bottle. The Precision Dispense system allow the user to vary that based upon the hardness & softness of your water. I have very hard water and was able to adjust the amount dispensed based upon hard water. Now that I'm using STPP, I've adjusted to water hardness to both Normal and Soft to see which setting works better and help me save on detergent. And that was the case until the latest generation
of Whirlpool & Maytag front loaders was release 3 years ago this coming fall. The manual states to still do the above calculation of ounces/loads on package to determine concentration setting. But there is no allowance/variance allowed for water hardness/softness. Whirlpool's current WFW9620 is the only model that offers two detergent reservoirs. They are two different fluid sizes. The default arrangement is the larger reservoir is intended for detergent and the smaller one is intended for fabric softener. The user manual states the smaller reservoir can be changed to being used as a 2nd detergent reservoir so 2 different detergents can be stored simultaneously. Another forum I participate in, there was an individual who had purchased the 9620 for its sophistication, flexibility, and ability to download added cycles. She bought an early version of the 9620 and the reprogramming of the 2nd reservoir from fabric softener to detergent did not function due to software and she was very disappointed and frustrated. Whirlpool hadn't resolved the issue almost a year after purchase, but she's not posted any additional updates. The LG system has a default amount of detergent dispensed. If the detergent being used calculates to a different concentration level, that can be easily adjusted and saved. the system also allows for individual load flexibility to add more or less for an individual load. All 3 systems also vary amount dispensed based upon the sensed load weight as well as soil level selected for the load. I hope this answer your concerns, if you have futher questions, please do not hesitate to ask.


Post# 1115733 , Reply# 29   4/27/2021 at 14:05 (1,065 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
Thanks Appnut........

Sounds like LG's version would suit our needs. We haven't come across one bad review, yet.

Whirlpool's versions sounded a little more customizable on paper, but the only real advantage we see is that the reservoirs might be larger.

What would be fun is if the machines were able to show how much detergent was actually dispensed.

For us, it's all going to come down to whether we want the larger washer, which is the only way we'd be able to get the new system.

Thanks for your help.



Post# 1116614 , Reply# 30   5/7/2021 at 21:02 (1,055 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
Getting Closer To A Decision.........

We've finally been able to see all three 4000-series washers in person. Like powerfin64, we'd probably go with the 4200 over the 4000 if it was between those two. The idea of a larger tub doesn't bother us, anymore.


We're actually starting to lean towards the 4500. Our thinking is the automatic dispensing would allow us to take full advantage of the AI.

The reviews are correct about the door. The window is 100% plastic & feels cheap, where the other models went to tempered glass. Don't know whether this was to keep the door weight down, a cost-cutting measure, or if it makes the clothes easier to see with the drum light on.

Main thing we're not sure about is the black color. It's beautiful, but we're afraid of scratches.

No sign of any LG Memorial Day sale, yet, and that's the main thing we're waiting for. Thanks.


Post# 1116617 , Reply# 31   5/7/2021 at 22:01 (1,055 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        
your heading in the right direction

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I've been very happy with my 4200 set. it does everything I want and more.

If you use liquid detergent, the 4500 set would be excellent. I too,

wasn't overly impressed with the Black steel color, yes that was a deal breaker

for me. I both liquid and powder detergents of choice.

Keep watching for sales, they do pop up time to time. you will need to purchase

a Steam-dryer hose kit if you plan on using the steam function on the dryer.

I have used the steam function on the washer and dryer 1 time, liked the

results so far.


Post# 1116622 , Reply# 32   5/7/2021 at 23:43 (1,055 days old) by Egress (Oregon)        

the steam function on the dryer is wonderful to have, it makes towels extremely fluffy. we found that using powder detergent leaves our whites whiter than using a liquid detergent, and have also heard that it will help keep the washer cleaner than using solely liquid detergent.

Post# 1116709 , Reply# 33   5/8/2021 at 22:02 (1,054 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
Thanks for the replies.......

Powdered detergent isn't readily available around here, so we'd probably have to order it.

The LG dryer will have a tough act to follow. The sensors on the Whirlpool have worked perfectly for 28 years; however, the option of side-venting would appeal to us, assuming the newer models still allow for this. Thanks.



Post# 1116714 , Reply# 34   5/9/2021 at 00:16 (1,054 days old) by Egress (Oregon)        

Sensor dry on our dryer works pretty well. for bulky items such as duvet covers make sure they aren't bunched up, as the sensor is actually on the lint filter. I finally found it yesterday by sticking my head in the drum and looking around, and its just the 2 electrical contacts, similar to most dryers that have sensor dry today.

Post# 1116717 , Reply# 35   5/9/2021 at 00:59 (1,054 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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Well the 4000 doesn't have turbo wash......I think the 4200 is the least you can spend if you want turbo wash. I only use powdered detergent. If I had to buy a new washer today, I'm pretty sure I would either choose the 4200 OR the Electrolux.. Also, I'm done with pedestals. They are way too expensive and I don't mind bending....besides, my dryer is a standard whirlpool dryer that my current duet (on a pedestal) towers over.

Post# 1116718 , Reply# 36   5/9/2021 at 01:34 (1,054 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
Sensor dry.......

Seems like most of the LG dryer concerns involve the reliability of the dryness sensors. Wonder why?

Post# 1116719 , Reply# 37   5/9/2021 at 02:13 (1,054 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        
4000

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has turbo wash. 4000, 4200, 4500 all have turbo wash. I have not ever had a

problem with sensor drying cycles. adjust the dryness control if a load is not

dry enough. Just don't get carried away with using

over abundance of fabric softeners, and keep your exhaust hose cleared out and

lint filter clean, should not have a concern with sensor reliability.


Post# 1116723 , Reply# 38   5/9/2021 at 04:50 (1,054 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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Oh sorry, My quick search turned up the 4000 did not have turbo wash..I should have looked further.


Post# 1116741 , Reply# 39   5/9/2021 at 11:47 (1,053 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        
turbo wash models

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are: 3900, 4000, 4200, 4500, 8100, 9000, 9500. But models that have turbo wash

360 are: 3900, 4000, 4200, 4500( 4 recirculating jets) the rest of the

models: 8100, 9000, 9500 only have 2 recirculating jets, that's the difference.

no harm done Mark.


Post# 1116746 , Reply# 40   5/9/2021 at 12:27 (1,053 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I looked on the LG and Home Depot web sites and both indicated the door window was made of glass.

Post# 1116756 , Reply# 41   5/9/2021 at 14:49 (1,053 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
appnut.......

Am I correct in that there seems to be an inner window that may be made of glass, and an outer window that is plastic? Whatever is on the outside is extremely flimsy compared to the other models. Thanks.

Post# 1116758 , Reply# 42   5/9/2021 at 14:56 (1,053 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I have no idea.

Post# 1116775 , Reply# 43   5/9/2021 at 17:14 (1,053 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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We have the 8100, I can confirm that it does have the two turbo recirculating jets wash feature. It's been impressive overall. If I had to buy another LG, it would be the same one again. I like the capacity that it holds, I can easily fit a kind size comforter in there. I think it cleans great. And I really think that it's a cool looking washer. But if I had to pick a different washer, it would be the Speed Queen.

Mark,

When I was living down in the red rock desert a couple years ago, I was using a Crosley front loader for a few months. When it started to have problems, instead of fixing it, we replaced it with a brand new Electrolux. Boy did I hated that new washer, my only regret was we should've fixed the Crosley as I thought it did WAY better than the Lux. Until Electrolux redesigns their front load washers, I will never be using a new Lux front load washer ever again.


Post# 1116799 , Reply# 44   5/9/2021 at 20:13 (1,053 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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Wow - even the 3900 has turbo wash? I remember back when Turbo was was 2 jets but it still looked like this did a great job from the videos I've seen. It's funny on Home Depot's site, they say nothing (unless I missed it) in the highlights about it even having turbo wash. I don't think the 3900 has a heater tho..which would explain the $799 price. The 4000 is $999 and it has a heater.

I know that if/when I do end up getting a new FL (it may still be years) my Duet does NOT want to die.. each time I use it I wonder if that's gonna be the day it dies. I don't see how it could possibly go much longer and we are going on 17 years....but I will be getting water hammer arrestors for it because I know they can make noise with the on/off water


Post# 1116800 , Reply# 45   5/9/2021 at 20:21 (1,053 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
@panasonic

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Sorry I just noticed you mentioned that about the Lux. The thing I hate about Lux is they don't have a coin trap.....but I thought the wash action was decent and had recirculation an great reviews from what I read. Since I'm the only one that does laundry and diligently check pockets I figured it wouldn't be a big deal...what was it about the Lux you didn't like? I still am steered more to any LG model that has a heater/turbo wash more so than Lux. Whirlpool puts me off as they are cutting even more corners than the other companies...to the point that they can't even have freaking glass on the inside window.

Post# 1116813 , Reply# 46   5/9/2021 at 23:30 (1,053 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        
3900 Heater

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The 3900 does have a heater and provides Extra Hot water on a few cycles, as well as providing a steam option. 


Post# 1116817 , Reply# 47   5/10/2021 at 00:58 (1,053 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        
Mark

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It didn't clean as well as I thought it would, uses less water, some clothes would get stuck in the drum seal, and it was VERY NOISY during the spin cycles. This was the washer that I took a photo of.

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Post# 1116838 , Reply# 48   5/10/2021 at 10:27 (1,052 days old) by Egress (Oregon)        
electrolux...

washers are ok. they don't have the different tumbling motions like LG does, and their recirc jet is a single one at the top of the tub.

As for the doors on the 3900/4000 etc, they are glass on the inside with a tinted plastic panel on the outside, which i believe you can remove by disassembling the door, though I haven't attempted this. I can confirm the 3900 definitely has a heater, and it gets *hot* during cycles that use steam or have the extra hot selected. the entire drum fogs up and it wont unlock the door until its cooled down enough.


Post# 1116846 , Reply# 49   5/10/2021 at 11:13 (1,052 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
the 4500 inner glass......

has a plasticky "ring' to it when tapped with our knuckles. The outer plastic is so flimsy you'd think it might vibrate while the machine is in operation.

The other 4000-series models definitely sound like glass, when tapping with our knuckles. Maybe that's one of the difference between glass & tempered glass?

The spec sheets don't always tell the whole story. This is why we make it a point to see & touch the actual machines, before ordering.


Post# 1116860 , Reply# 50   5/10/2021 at 13:04 (1,052 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        

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originally I was dead set on getting the 3900 set, it had everything I wanted,

but found out 3900 was discontinued and replaced with 4000.(I even contacted LG

about it) then last minute I decided for the 4200 set mainly for the efficiency rating.

I do have hammer arrestors on my- 2 per line(on the machine and at facet) which

really does stop the water hammering. I might replace one of them at the machine

due it its older. but I think they are very much needed to stop the water

hammering of pipes.

They all have a plastic door covering to protect from the heat cycles and

the window are all glass of some sort. the plastic does make it very hard to

see going on inside! but its a safety measure for the consumer.



Post# 1116890 , Reply# 51   5/10/2021 at 17:11 (1,052 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        
In case anyone is interested

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After posting on here, I went back to LG's website and I found the latest ratings from Consumer Reports on their front load washers.

3900, 4000, 3400, 3500, and 3600 got "86" which is the highest score from CR

9000 got "85"

9500 and 3700 got "84"

3997 got "83"

8100 got "82"

4200 and 4500 got "80"

If anyone is interested in seeing the scores for themselves from CR, you're welcome to go to LG's front load washers page.

www.lg.com/us/front-load-...


Post# 1116910 , Reply# 52   5/10/2021 at 20:58 (1,052 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
Just Trying To Get As Much Information......

.....before we buy.

For all we know, the glass has always been tempered. Hard to say what's real, or just marketing.

Best Buy is the only place, locally, where all three 4000-series can be seen at a glance. Today, salesman stated the Memorial Day sale will begin on the 20th.

We're probably going with the WM4200 washer. Just not sold on the matching dryer, unless deep discounts are offered.

For some reason, we're not anticipating any deep discounts. Thanks.


Post# 1116921 , Reply# 53   5/10/2021 at 23:04 (1,052 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
I kept going

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to HomeDepot's site and I totally would check features/model # and then I would remember the model # wrong (LOL)

I didn't realize the 3900 was discontinued. It looks like the 4000 would be my choice if I had to buy one today (but I don't)

Matching dryers: This used to be a big deal to me but it is no longer. For me, I'd rather have the dryer I want and the washer I want and just get the same color (white) and hopefully similar height. I think the standard top screen WP dryers are the best. I'm sure other dryers are great too, I just like these the best because of their design.

About the Electrolux: Yep - that's the one I was thinking about. Glad you let me know you weren't thrilled by it.


Post# 1116954 , Reply# 54   5/11/2021 at 10:38 (1,051 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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The inner glass doors are not tempered glass, when they break it breaks in dangerous sharp pieces.

 

The outer plastic covers are just for styling not safety,Even on the heat cycles the washer glass only gets to the 150F range, not hot enough to hurt anyone, parts on the fronts of dryers get hotter than that and the front doors on ovens are allowed to get to 200F.

 

Better FL washers like Miele, Speed Queen and Asko do not do that BS on their washers.

 

 

John L.


Post# 1116966 , Reply# 55   5/11/2021 at 13:33 (1,051 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
To add to the confusion.......

The WM4000 & 4200 have a "Tempered Glass" label on the window; so, if you were inclined to change the hand of the door, the lettering would be upside down. For this eventuality, LG has provided labels.

Nothing like this on the 4500, so consumers are understandably confused. The automatic dispensing would be nice, but not that nice. Also, we don't feel comfortable paying a premium for the black color we don't want.

Can't wait to take possession of our new "white" WM4200. Thanks for everyone's help!


Post# 1116991 , Reply# 56   5/11/2021 at 21:06 (1,051 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        
Wonderful!

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Glad to hear you'll be getting a 4200! I bought a white color set, very pleased

with it. Keep us informed about it.


Post# 1116993 , Reply# 57   5/11/2021 at 21:34 (1,051 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
Will Do.....

Maybe we'll start a club. Thanks!

Post# 1116995 , Reply# 58   5/11/2021 at 23:10 (1,051 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        
Did you..

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also purchase the matching dryer also?

Post# 1117006 , Reply# 59   5/12/2021 at 04:53 (1,051 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
Yes and remember

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If you use the normal cycle......I can't confirm...but most energystar ratings are based on the normal cycles, so that might be the worst cycle to choose. But then again, this is an LG, they tend to work well from the wash action cycles I've seen. They also do a big time spray rinse, but I'm not sure which cycles this happens on....but the spray rinses in ADDITION to interim spins (at least on most cycles I've seen) The spray rinse looked like it worked GREAT

Post# 1117042 , Reply# 60   5/12/2021 at 12:08 (1,050 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
Memorial Day Sale..........

poweerfin64......Our understanding is LG will announce some holiday discounts on the 20th. That's the only thing we're waiting for. Our local Lowes has the WM4200 marked down to $1099, but only in black.

We'll probably end up getting the dryer, but haven't made up our minds. Either way, will be holding on to the 29 inch Whirlpool.

mark.....We're sure there's going to be a steep learning curve. The way the AI marketing sounds, we throw the clothes in the machine & push one button. I'll bet there's more to it, but we can't wait to learn. We're excited about LG's rinsing performance. Our 92-series SQ is not the best rinser. Thanks.


Post# 1117051 , Reply# 61   5/12/2021 at 13:13 (1,050 days old) by Egress (Oregon)        

I believe the spray rinse occurs on most if not all cycles. I know it happens on the normal cycle and the towel cycle for certain, I've seen it happen.

I'm also interested in the 'AI' that LG has put into the 4000 series. it seems interesting but dont know if it works well.

as for the dryer, i'd get it. ours dries well, and the steam function is super nice to have, especially for towels & dress clothing.


Post# 1117098 , Reply# 62   5/12/2021 at 22:22 (1,050 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        
spray rinses

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are on most all the cycles, including the down loaded cycles also from the ones

I've used so far, and do after the main wash and rinses. They aren't really

long but does help!

the AI is only on a few cycles for the washer, normal, bright whites and Rainy

Day from the down loaded cycles, I think there is 1 more also, can't remember

for sure which one. I do like the AI feature. Wish it was included on more

cycles. The Dryer, AI is only on the Normal cycle.







Post# 1117101 , Reply# 63   5/12/2021 at 23:26 (1,050 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
question

How does AI work on the normal cycle on each?

Post# 1117102 , Reply# 64   5/13/2021 at 00:17 (1,050 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
AI........

So far, I thing we should all be able to agree that AI is still in its infancy stage when it comes to washers. That's one of the several reasons why we chose to not to go with the 4500.

Post# 1117171 , Reply# 65   5/13/2021 at 17:39 (1,049 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        

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On AI cycles, does the machine automatically dose the right amount of detergent and other additives? 


Post# 1117174 , Reply# 66   5/13/2021 at 18:07 (1,049 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
good question

I was gonna ask the same question. I use laundry detergent and fabric softener. The only time I use bleach is for whites.

Post# 1117175 , Reply# 67   5/13/2021 at 19:15 (1,049 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Bill, yes, AI coupled with the EZdispense system does allow correct dosage of load based upon paraameters sensed by the load and settings.

Post# 1117183 , Reply# 68   5/13/2021 at 20:14 (1,049 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
Well.......

......we could be wrong, but seems like LG has relied on the cycle that is chosen + the weight of the clothes for quite some time.

Now, it seems like "fabric sensors" mounted to the drum help the machine to calculate everything else.

At this point, as engineers, we're not completely buying into all of this; but, we're willing to purchase a reasonably price WM4200 as a test bed.

If LG, or any other company, can find a way to sense "all fabrics.," then., we will be all in. Thanks.



Post# 1117185 , Reply# 69   5/13/2021 at 20:41 (1,049 days old) by Egress (Oregon)        

I'd love to see a teardown video of one of these new machines.

Post# 1117193 , Reply# 70   5/13/2021 at 23:18 (1,049 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        
reply 61

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yes, but on 4500 only. 4500 has the EZ dispense for liquid detergent and fabric

softener, 4200 model does not have EZ dispense. AI detects fabric types and

weight, size of the load, and calculates time needed, wash motions for the cycle,

4500 model determines amount of liquid detergent and fabric softener to be used

for the load, which can be adjusted to the users preference.


Post# 1117199 , Reply# 71   5/14/2021 at 00:40 (1,049 days old) by Egress (Oregon)        

of course. I'm guessing the auto dispense isn't anything special, probably just a pair of peristaltic pumps. the fabric sensors are what I'm really interested in. I know F&P has done fabric sensing for a while, but I think they're the only company that has until now. LG's normal sensing determines the weight and also water required (does this by filling, then tumbling and filling again when the water level drops from clothes becoming saturated). I think the only new thing is of course the fabric sensing and maybe a smarter choice of washing motion.

Post# 1117210 , Reply# 72   5/14/2021 at 08:40 (1,048 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        
AI

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Oh, the excitement it brings. 😁

I think Fuzzy Logic was introduced here in the 90s, when washing machines and dishwashers could do load-sensing. So almost 30 years ago.

I remember washing different loads in my grandma's washer. Same cycle but one load synthetics, the other towels: you'd get different cycle times, wash and rinse water levels, different tumbling and different spin profiles. It didn't mention AI anywhere - it was just current technology from the early 2000s that Miele used.

Rant about everything being "AI" these days over. 😋


Post# 1117212 , Reply# 73   5/14/2021 at 09:13 (1,048 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
AIDD

Calling it AI is branding nonsense, but you can't compare it to Fuzzy Logic.



The AIDD - at least in Europe - changes stuff like tumble patterns for different cycle steps depending on fabric type.

For example, during heating, depending on load type, tumbles could range from gentle swing up to distributions.

The recirculation would have different duty cycles and be used differently.




All that not actually dependent on fabric type, but on its actual consistency.

Towels would get different treatment from jeans or sweatshirts.
Both are cotton, both are heavy, both absorb a lot of water.

But jeans and sweatshirt are stiffer so to speak.
They tend to be less good at water exchange, so more distribution for even heating was used.

Towels would get more tumbling but more recirculation.




So there is something to the technology.


Post# 1117243 , Reply# 74   5/14/2021 at 14:51 (1,048 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
personally

I'd love to see a full default normal cycle of the 4500 with laundry detergent and fabric softener in the designated ez dispensers.

Post# 1117331 , Reply# 75   5/15/2021 at 19:02 (1,047 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
spray rinses

They are performed on all cycles, except Bulky, as long as TurboWash is activated, at least on my machine and the WashTower I have used.

Post# 1117338 , Reply# 76   5/15/2021 at 20:02 (1,047 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        
lakewebsterkid

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what is your washer model number?

Post# 1117339 , Reply# 77   5/15/2021 at 20:19 (1,047 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Fuzzy Logic....

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Or whatever you want to call it one loves it with modern washers.

Older Miele was doing a number on our finer linens washed in "normal/cottons". Heart broke each time water changed and drained seeing bits of linen coming out of hose and being caught by filter.

OTOH both my Lavamat washers treat linen far more gentle in "Cottons/Linens" normal cycle. Machines do sense difference between loads of all or mostly cotton or linen and drum rhythms and so forth vary accordingly. Things get better if "sensitive" option is added as well.

Result is even after a nearly two hour long cycle in AEG washers drain filter has virtually nothing.


Post# 1117344 , Reply# 78   5/15/2021 at 23:26 (1,047 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I just observed a YT video with the WM3900 Towels Cycle with Turbowash360 and at best, I think I observed a spray rinse on the spin between the 1st and 2nd deep rinses, but I don't think I saw it do spray rinse on the pin right after the wash or the final spin.

Post# 1117361 , Reply# 79   5/16/2021 at 01:09 (1,047 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        

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I can say mine does a spray rinse on the first spin after main wash, and spin

after all rinses. (4200 is classified as advanced tier efficiency.) Models

3900, 4000 are tier 2 efficiency.


Post# 1117363 , Reply# 80   5/16/2021 at 01:25 (1,047 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Thanks Rich

Post# 1117387 , Reply# 81   5/16/2021 at 12:56 (1,046 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
Memorial Day Sale..........

......starts next weekend. Wonder which store will earn our business?

Home Depot employs a local company to perform their appliance deliveries & installations. They did a nice job with our freezer.

Lowes botched our refrigerator delivery 20 years ago.

Have never purchased an appliance from Best Buy.


Post# 1117433 , Reply# 82   5/17/2021 at 00:23 (1,046 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        

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I have had Home Depot install my first LG washer and did fine. Haven't done

installs with Lowe's, but REFUSE to do business with Best Buy after last

years experience, what a gong show!


Post# 1117434 , Reply# 83   5/17/2021 at 00:47 (1,046 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
We Can Identify.......

......Believe Lowe's sent Gene Gene the Dancing Machine's twin to our home. The crew damaged the refrigerator in three different ways, so they had to come fetch it.

Seems like Home Depot has already earned another chance to make us happy.

Thanks.


Post# 1117449 , Reply# 84   5/17/2021 at 09:04 (1,045 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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can someone link with timestamps when the spray rinse happens? I remember seeing it but with recent videos, either I'm missing it or it's happening and I just don't see it.

Post# 1117458 , Reply# 85   5/17/2021 at 10:18 (1,045 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        
with mine..

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it's very hard to see them with the dark plastic door covering, spray rinse's

happen (first spin after main wash) as the interim starts to ramp up to the

to last portion of spin, then coast to stop(or filtration depending on cycle being used)a few seconds after its done spray rinsing.

this is also done after each additional deep rinse's, with the

final spin, spray rinsing is done about when spin is starting to ramp up to

medium spin. sprays are 5 seconds long roughly.


Post# 1117477 , Reply# 86   5/17/2021 at 13:29 (1,045 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
normal cycle spray rinse

What is the sequence of the spray rinse on the normal cycle?

Post# 1117480 , Reply# 87   5/17/2021 at 14:45 (1,045 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
powerfin64

It is a Kenmore Elite 41982.
I can confirm that the spray rinses are about 5 seconds long each. They are fairly hard to see. About half the water ends up flushing the door and boot as somewhat of a suds kill.


Post# 1117496 , Reply# 88   5/17/2021 at 17:38 (1,045 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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then they must have drastically changed spray rinses since this video because they were much longer....which doesn't surprise me



CLICK HERE TO GO TO mark_wpduet's LINK


Post# 1117498 , Reply# 89   5/17/2021 at 17:53 (1,045 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Mark, I am just like you--I remember the older Turbowash models had longer spray rinses.

Post# 1117524 , Reply# 90   5/17/2021 at 21:35 (1,045 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        
the video is of our own Mickeyd's LG washer

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that is a older LG model washer. spray rinses were longer, but fine water mist.

Newer LG's that have spray rinsing are shorter but heavier water spray. Older

LG washers also didn't have the dark plastic door covering, which is for looks

mostly, you could see clearly what's going on inside.

I wonder if Mickeyd still has that Red LG washer?


Post# 1117527 , Reply# 91   5/17/2021 at 22:25 (1,045 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Thanks Rich. I knew I wasn't imagining what I'd seen before. And I better understand what I don't see very well with the new ones but glad to know the feature is still essentially there with a design change.

Post# 1117537 , Reply# 92   5/18/2021 at 01:13 (1,045 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        

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your most welcome Bob!

Post# 1117552 , Reply# 93   5/18/2021 at 10:54 (1,044 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
I just watched

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an LG w turbo wash normal cycle. I can't remember the model # but it's a recent machine. The video was only 1 yr old. Normally, I would avoid Normal, but in this case, I didn't think it was that bad of a cycle at all. Actually, one thing is did reminded me of my current duet in that when it spins after the wash and goes into the first rinse, it slowly spins while adding water while filling up the tub for the first rinse. It does this for maybe 2 min's or more, really sloshing water into the clothes. It does this on the other rinses as well, just not as long as the first rinse. Anyway, this LG did a similar thing. Also, I saw the spray rinse. Yes, it's 5 seconds long (LOL)...but I swear, I think the LG's add more water during rinses than washes (thank goodness) lots of sloshing during rinses and more turbo wash action. It also used the nozzle for the spray rinse to help fill the tub for rinsing. I really do like these machines from what I've seen much better than the other machines I've watched.

Post# 1117565 , Reply# 94   5/18/2021 at 14:46 (1,044 days old) by Golittlesport (California)        
towels cycle with turbo wash

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After reading this thread about LG washers, turbo wash and the spray rinse, I thought I'd try turbo wash on the towels cycle on my six year old LG today. I never used turbo wash on that cycle before because I was afraid it might suds lock during the spray rinses with a full load of heavy towels.

I was surprised to see that it did no spray spin rinses, just three deep rinses with recirculation. It did use the higher water level, even with the turbo wash selected. I like this cycle for towels because it uses a higher water level and reaches the full max spin speed between all rinses. Really does a good rinsing job on towels. I'm thinking the machine drops the spin spray rinses on Towels cycle for the reason I was thinking -- the possibility of creating a suds lock situation.


Post# 1117578 , Reply# 95   5/18/2021 at 16:27 (1,044 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Rich, that's exactly why there are no spray rinses on Towels with Turbowash. My only complaint is because there's no steam option for Towels, one cannot engage the onboard heater to maintain hot water temperature, or even raise it some. LG models back in 2011 DID have their models/cycles programmed that towels did engage the heater when needed.

Post# 1117579 , Reply# 96   5/18/2021 at 16:43 (1,044 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
instead of towels

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couldn't you use bright whites for the heat? Or does that engaged the heater? I don't know

I'm wondering about cycle option combinations that would work or NOT work. Take Perm Press....You can choose turbo wash/more soil/ extra rinse/high spin speed with that cycle?

Speed wash: Can you choose that cycle and add extra rinse/more soil/high spin/turbo wash

I think (unless something's changed) that if you choose the bulky cycle, you can't get HIGH spin.....the highest you can get is medium.



Post# 1117580 , Reply# 97   5/18/2021 at 17:01 (1,044 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Mark, you need to study the use & care manual to answer those questions. There's a table/chart which shows options available for cycles.

And yes, you could use the Whites cycle as well as Normal or Heavy Duty and select Ex. Hot wash temp for those two cycles. But I want as much flexibility of steam and hotter washes just like I have in my Duet. And back in 2011 when I ordered my Duet, the only other brand that had comparable offerings/flexibility was LG at the time.


Post# 1117599 , Reply# 98   5/18/2021 at 20:39 (1,044 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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If your duet is 10 yrs old........mine is 6 years older. You could potentially still have it a long time. I know mine is German made. Not sure if they were still making them in Germany then or not. The ONLY sign that mine is ageing is (once in a while, when the drum rotates, it squeaks in one direction..but it's like baby birds chirping type of squeak....not a loud squeak.. and it's done it periodically the past 3 years......completely stopping for months at a time only to start back randomly then stop again for months. Otherwise, it's still very healthy sounding. But I just don't see how it could possibly go much longer. I feel like something HAS to give any moment. Who knows though, I might get several more years. You just never know. But I like to keep up with what's out there just in case.

Post# 1117601 , Reply# 99   5/18/2021 at 20:54 (1,044 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Mark, I am like you, I like to keep up with what's out there. My Duet was the first the first direct drive Duet and was also the first ones to be produced in Ohio at their laundry facility. I hope I get another 5 years from it too.

Post# 1117604 , Reply# 100   5/18/2021 at 22:28 (1,044 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
appnut........

......stay with the Duet for as long as it makes you happy. That's what we would do.

Many thanks for all the feedback. Keep it coming.


Post# 1117614 , Reply# 101   5/19/2021 at 00:49 (1,044 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
towels cycle

I wish my Kenmore had a towels cycle. That is one disadvantage of the Kenmores over the LGs. No cycle on my machine reaches the full spin speed on interim spin. However, the Sanitize cycle actually uses higher rinse levels in comparison to the Normal cycle and defaults to 3 rinses with TurboWash off. That has been my to-go-to for towels. So far it has been excellent. First interim spin is slower than the others. Perhaps to prevent either wrinkles or sudslock.

Post# 1117631 , Reply# 102   5/19/2021 at 08:00 (1,043 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

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Does the Steam option engage the heater during the actual wash, or just the steam phase? Older posts on Houzz indicated that, once the initial steam phase was over, the machine would fill for a cool-down and then continue washing. It was not mentioned, if the water was reheated thereafter.

Also: how long does it take for a larger load to be saturated with steam on? I've seen a video on YouTube where it took quite a while for the clothes to be saturated with water/detergent, while the machine was boiling the enzymes underneath the drum.


Post# 1117633 , Reply# 103   5/19/2021 at 09:16 (1,043 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Alex, I've always wondered what LG's approach was to accomplishing this function. On my Duet is the following sequence: Selecting steam option has the cycle fill with warm warm water. Then the wash load gradually heats the water to hot--this can be up to 50 minutes depending upon soil level. Then the wash water is drained and load receives a distribution speed spin. Then the steam generator is engaged and the load is steamed for up to 20 minutes then does the cool down. When Sanitize wash temperature is selected outright, the machine fills with hot water and the heater is engaged to boost the water temperature for 50 or so minutes. Then the wash water is drained and goes through the above mentioned sequence. It's my understanding that both LG and Whirlpool used a steam generator to accomplish all this back when this feature was first on the market. And that both brands discontinued the steam generator. But never clear as to how the tsk was executed now.

Post# 1117648 , Reply# 104   5/19/2021 at 10:40 (1,043 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

LGs aim on the Steam cycles is to get the benefit of a hot wash hygienicly, not the cleaning performance.

They say otherwise, but they don't actually want to saturate the load before steaming.

At least over here.





Never thought LGs approach to steaming was much use.

When they still used a separate steam generator, it was activated only during cold wash stages in the EU.

Even if it wasn't in the US, heating that way wouldn't get you very far I'd say.
The separate generator was only 1000W or so, that limits its use for heating.

Now steaming dry clothing seems just useless.




Steaming after a wash cycle before rinsing (either before or after interim spin) might seem more useful as it might boost already hot laundry higher and extend temp hold without much power usage.

But in general never saw much use in the steam thing for wash treatment.

For anti crease it is awesome, though!


Post# 1117655 , Reply# 105   5/19/2021 at 11:25 (1,043 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I've made the following comment before either here or Gardenweb laundry forums. It's my opinion "steam" is/was used as a relatively low-energy, inexpensive way to raise the temperature in front loaders. If I remember correctly, when Whirlpool released their front loaders to the American market back in 2001 Sears was the first to offer the onboard heater and Whirlpool followed shortly thereafter in order to give Sears the marketing advantage of onboard heater. (Remember those of us at the August 2001 Wash-In going to a couple of Sears in Minneapolis to see in person their new front loaders and some of us "arming the Hettie" (giving a hello wave to ChestermikeUK) Sears version were named He and the HeT -- the T indicating onboard heater. Sears also offered the exclusive feature of stain treat button--which engaged the heater to gradually heat wash water from warm to Hot or Sanitize. Both Whirlpool and Sears models with the heater mentioned in the user manual that the Heavy Duty cycle provided stepped heating to allow the treatment of various types of stains as water was gradually heated. With Sears offering the stain treat button, that forced the gradual heating on other cycles rather than simply the single Heavy Duty cycle.

Post# 1117663 , Reply# 106   5/19/2021 at 11:50 (1,043 days old) by Egress (Oregon)        

if either the extra hot or steam options are selected the water heater turns on. I know that for a fact, though i am not sure how hot it actually gets in practice. the water heater is effective though, i'll give it that. when a steam cycle finishes the drum is often still pretty hot and lets out a nice fresh burst of air. the drum door also fogs up significantly and the door will not unlock until the washer has determined it has cooled to a safe temperature to open.

Post# 1117665 , Reply# 107   5/19/2021 at 11:57 (1,043 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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As for Whirlpool's approach after removing the steam generator, I may be imagining this, but I seem to vaguely recall asking someone how the washer steams different than mine, I htink I understood that there is a small amount of water put in the outer tub near the heater and that pool of water is heated to such that it reaches a steaming point and the steam raises up through the load. Unfortunately, no one with newer Whirlpool versions has videoed and put on YouTube their washer doing a steam cycle. I'd like to believe (hope) their approach is different than LG and is similar to the sequence of my current Duet.

Post# 1117669 , Reply# 108   5/19/2021 at 12:39 (1,043 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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Honestly, I think I could live without steam......as long as I have a heater, it sort of creates steam anyway....especially in sanitary...

The reason I'm no longer looking at Whirlpool is the door being plastic and them taking away the glass. That move just screams (let's cut corners throughout the machine to meet the best bottom line)...Now, I know LG is no Miele, but it doesn't feel nearly as cheap and according to Youtube, they are incredibly easy to take apart and service.


Post# 1117673 , Reply# 109   5/19/2021 at 12:49 (1,043 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Many of the lower end

machines have steam, but it uses the heater to safely remove stains. They don't actually inject steam.

Post# 1117679 , Reply# 110   5/19/2021 at 13:58 (1,043 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
I have seen

the lg turbowash360 videos. I did notice the cold fill goes through the spray rinse nozzle.

Post# 1117681 , Reply# 111   5/19/2021 at 14:05 (1,043 days old) by Egress (Oregon)        

yes, the spray rinse nozzle and i believe all of the detergent/bleach/softener dispenser shower nozzles are cold as well.

As for the ease of disassembly, ours seems quite easy. few screws on the front and the door gasket needs to be unhooked, and then i believe the front just can be pulled off.


Post# 1117754 , Reply# 112   5/20/2021 at 07:54 (1,042 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

LG machines are quite serviceable and parts are usually OK-ish price wise.

Especially the typical parts (hall sensor, pumps, PCBs) are quite easy to get to.

They have splittable tubs and even often have drum spiders available as a separate part.
So basically everything can be done at a reasonable cost if you do it yourself.


Post# 1117771 , Reply# 113   5/20/2021 at 09:29 (1,042 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
Splittable Tubs........

I agree the LG's seem like they would be easy to work on; but, remember reading somewhere that the tubs are no longer splittable.

Not that we're that eager to find out, though.


Post# 1117774 , Reply# 114   5/20/2021 at 10:04 (1,042 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
You are correct

The WM3900 appears to have a sealed tub unit since they no longer offer separate parts for that, same for the WM4200.

Would be a shame!

Lorainfurniture on YT has a video of the WM3500 where he takes it apart, and you can see a bolted together tub.
The WM3900 should use the same tub unit, though not sure if the WM4xxx series does so aswell.

So splitting it should still be possible for a bearing exchange


Post# 1117783 , Reply# 115   5/20/2021 at 11:00 (1,042 days old) by Egress (Oregon)        

hmm, maybe i'll have to take a peek inside my 3900 to verify this. seems like we don't know for certain if its one or the other.

Post# 1117795 , Reply# 116   5/20/2021 at 12:24 (1,042 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
Today's The Day........

Home Depot's holiday price for the 4200 is $848. Matching gas dryer, $948. That's $50 less than Best Buy & Lowe's. We're going to jump on it.

Only thing we're on the fence about is the extended warranty.


Post# 1117809 , Reply# 117   5/20/2021 at 14:01 (1,042 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
steam

In our Kenmore it fills with 40C water and heats up to 65C. It will then add water to appropriate water level of the cycle, and continue heating and washing for a certain amount of time. No 'steam' phase like in the Duets where a small amount of water is super heated. I never understood that.

Post# 1118499 , Reply# 118   5/27/2021 at 16:36 (1,035 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
I'm Glad I Called.......

We originally tried to order the WM4200 set in the local Homer Depot store, but they wouldn't allow us to use PayPal at checkout.

Then, I tried ordering from HD on line, but noticed the installation kits I chose weren't appearing in the cart.

Called, today, to ask whether I could pay for the kits + dryer installation separately. They agreed, but insisted I purchase a dryer power cord since it must be hardwired.

After performing the math, concluded neither the store nor the on-line order calls for a separate power cord to be purchased. Makes us wonder how any of these dryers ever got installed by Home Depot's agents?


Post# 1118503 , Reply# 119   5/27/2021 at 17:47 (1,035 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
I wonder -

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if there is a difference in the exact same cycles between different models. Example, say, the towels cycle on the 3900, 4000, 4200, 4500. Would they all be identical, such as spray rinse length, rinse levels, etc?

That's a GREAT price for the 4200. I'm trying to remember, but when I got my standard Whirlpool dryer a couple of years ago, if I had to buy the cord separate...I totally forgot.

Whirlpool must be really far behind because of COVID as I noticed a lot of the Maytag/Whirlpool's are out of stock. Do the Maytag FL's have plastic instead of glass? I remember a while back (I think it was Frigilux) said that after a while, their interim spins started acting up in the Maytag. Like it was a software issues or something. I finally got to see a Maytag FL in action and it wasn't bad at all. I feel like it used as much water as much current DUET and it had recirculation.....

The thing about recirculation that I don't understand with some of the videos I've seen is that it will actually not engage for a while, then it will engage. I wonder when I'm watching why the recirculation isn't on during the entire wash/rinse phase, but more sporadically


Post# 1118513 , Reply# 120   5/27/2021 at 19:37 (1,035 days old) by Egress (Oregon)        

yeah, the recirculation does different things depending on the cycle. for example on the normal cycle the recirc jets run pretty much the entire time, but on the bedding cycle they only turn on (at least during wash) when the tub is stopped.

as for differences between the models, i'd guess they haven't changed a whole lot with the cycles, probably just minor variations in timing and water depths. it would be interesting to see a few LG machines running the same cycle and seeing which one finishes first.


Post# 1118516 , Reply# 121   5/27/2021 at 20:15 (1,035 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
I noticed on

my Kenmore elite variant that it does the same thing with the accelawash active.

Post# 1118523 , Reply# 122   5/27/2021 at 22:29 (1,035 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        
trappn...word of advise

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All the big box stores are going to require (washer): new water hoses,(dryer) new

power cord and exhaust Hose. While you probably can still purchase the

washer and dryer without them, have them delivered, but they may NOT install them, due to:

using parts from the old set and/or purchasing new parts somewhere else. Since

you mentioned the dryer is going to be gas, I would ask about the requirements

for connecting the new gas line to the new dryer.


Post# 1118534 , Reply# 123   5/27/2021 at 23:53 (1,035 days old) by agiflow ()        

Mark the Whirlpool WFW6620HW I got back in 2019 had the recirculation jet. It would also spin the load at low speed in the beginning and spray the load down as it was spinning to completely saturate the load and pull the detergent through. You could also use steam and sanitize on that cycle if I remembered correctly. Very versatile washer.

Post# 1118535 , Reply# 124   5/28/2021 at 00:02 (1,035 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
powerfin64.........

Yeah, we were aware of the long laundry list (no pun intended) of unnecessary parts, but the dryer power cord caught us off guard.

We're fully capable of installing everything ourselves, but the invoice clearly states the dryer will be left in the box unless they install it, themselves.

Maybe it's just a temporary IT glitch, but ordering the dryer in the store, or on line, will not get you a power cord in Peoria, IL.

Anyways, everything is paid for now, so there should be no surprises on the 8th.

Thanks.



Post# 1118685 , Reply# 125   5/29/2021 at 09:02 (1,033 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        

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Not knowing what I had mentioned in my last post, I had purchase new water hoses

for the washer, and new power cord for the dryer from the retailer, but used the existing exhaust

hose(4" semi-rigid metal aluminum) that has a short run to the wall. I didn't

purchase the steam hose kit from the retailer, but did buy steam hose kit

off of amazon that is burst-proof. Then found out the installers could not

install both machines due to the existing part and outside purchase of a new

part. I understand why they could not install them and was fine with having

to install them myself.



Post# 1118689 , Reply# 126   5/29/2021 at 09:41 (1,033 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Installation requirements

Thing is that installer is accountable for any damages resulting from installation.

If they use a cable you supplied, then there is an issue like a fire, there could be eternal and expensive debate about whether the cable or the installation of the cable was faulty.

Thus they require you to purchase EVERYTHING needed in the installation from them at the point of sale, so no return trips are needed and no variable is left in the air.




Had a customer at work whose oven set his kitchen on fire.

Tried to blame our installation team.

Issue was he moved in the meantime and reinstalled it himself.

It's not that customers always are the issue, but the thing is that if you are not 100% water tight about that stuff as a business it will come back and bite you...


Post# 1118695 , Reply# 127   5/29/2021 at 13:17 (1,033 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        

Can't speak for the mom & pops, but believe most of the larger companies' requirements are similar these days. Only thing left for me to do is install a longer nipple on the output of the gas shut-off. Believe HD requires 5 or 6 inches.

Once we found out the delivery agent will leave the dryer in the carton if we didn't spring for the installation, the decision became easy for us. This way, they will be able to inspect the dryer for damage, and lift the appliances onto their pedestals, themselves. If anything happens, it's on them.

We're on the fence about the idea of an extended warranty, and have 90 days to decide. What we did was purchase a little insurance up front, by allowing them to install the set.


Post# 1118696 , Reply# 128   5/29/2021 at 13:31 (1,033 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Extended warranty

I purchase them with basically anything as long as the price is ok.

My way of thinking is that usually the price is low compared to the purchase total and if you'd ever need service, the fee for a technician to just come to your house is usually higher than the price of the extension.



Over here the usual time covered is 5 years and price is usually quite manageable.

Broken down to the year it often really isn't much...


Post# 1118724 , Reply# 129   5/29/2021 at 19:18 (1,033 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Extended Warranties

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NEVER buy an extended warranty on anything you can afford to have fixed, and if you are buying something you can not afford to have repaired you are buying a product that you can not afford.

 

Any consumer group or personal money manger will tell you this, people buying extended warranties is one of many reasons for the decline of the middle class in the US, you are paying out good money and only getting about 25% back in real services, you are often better off playing the state lottery.

 

Extended warranties usually only give you 2 or 4 years more protection over the 1 year warranty, almost no decent appliance will have any problems if installed and used properly in the first 5 years of use, so you have thrown away $200-300 dollars.

 

If you are concerned with long life and few repairs it is better to buy a SQ FL washer that will outlast a Chinese built LG by more than 2 to 1, and SQ comes with a 5 year wants for no extra cost.

 

John L.


Post# 1118725 , Reply# 130   5/29/2021 at 19:25 (1,033 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
I thought LG

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was made in South Korea. Is in CHINA now?

Post# 1118729 , Reply# 131   5/29/2021 at 19:37 (1,033 days old) by agiflow ()        

Are you really surprised in this day and age Mark ?

Post# 1118730 , Reply# 132   5/29/2021 at 19:41 (1,033 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
LG and SS are South Korean Companies

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But nearly EVERY one of their appliances I have seen in the past 6+ years say Made In China on them.

 

Because of the US tariff on FL washers that went into effect a few years ago, LG and SS are doing enough of the final assembly in the US to claim they are not imported and get around the tariff.

 

About 4 years ago a customer of ours bought a new SS W&D from Home Depot and was very dissatisfied with the sloppy way HD installed them so she paid me to reinstall them properly, as she walked out of the laundry room she " at least they are not made in China " Her husband who was helping me move the machines around pointed to the Made In China printed on the model tags, LOL

 

John L.


Post# 1118743 , Reply# 133   5/29/2021 at 23:51 (1,033 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
We Knew This Was Coming......

Years ago, we already figured out that Combo52 believed he owned this site.

That's Ok. All he has to do is travel to Peoria , Il. He can sit right next to us on our barstools. The wife, a noted college professor, mentioned she is willing to arm wrestle for whatever comes next.

Seems like it's really easy to pound out our thoughts on a keyboard, only to find out how difficult it is to follow up, once an individual sobers up.

Combo doesn't seem to like it when he doesn't have the final say on things. Once again, we figured this out years, ago.

Combo: For god sakes, if you can't offer anything positive to the dialogue, please butt out.

Thanks for listening, and have a nice day.



Post# 1118747 , Reply# 134   5/30/2021 at 01:04 (1,033 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)        

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Pretty much every LG appliance I have seen was made in Korea. And now they are also assembling a lot of washers in the USA.

The reality is LG now makes a better and more reliable washer than Whirlpool.


Post# 1118748 , Reply# 135   5/30/2021 at 01:12 (1,033 days old) by Egress (Oregon)        

DD motor has many fewer parts to fail compared to the VMW platform, and the motor can reverse much faster.

Post# 1118789 , Reply# 136   5/30/2021 at 14:36 (1,032 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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My LG 3700 purchased last year was made in Vietnam.. I used to eschew extended warrantys as well... but after all the kitchenaid problems I've experienced, the problems my sister has encountered with her fairly new Maytag Commercial Style TL washer.. I can afford to have them fixed if need be but the cost of one housecall alone is around $100 here and that's just to come to the house, no parts or labor. I'm getting 5 yr exteneded warranties on all new major appliances. Which reminds me I still have to and get one on that new Carrier minisplit heat pump I had installed late last August.



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Post# 1118790 , Reply# 137   5/30/2021 at 14:54 (1,032 days old) by agiflow ()        

Your opinion about LG is just that...an opinion. Your opinions aren't fact littlegreeny.

Post# 1118837 , Reply# 138   5/30/2021 at 23:27 (1,032 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
I Apologize To The Members........

,,,,,for my response. There is a history between ourselves and the respondent; but, that is no excuse. Thanks.


Post# 1118838 , Reply# 139   5/30/2021 at 23:37 (1,032 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
well

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ON another post...we were talking about how much cheaper the whirlpools look and feel now.....when they added plastic instead of glass, when all the other brands kept glass. It just begs the question if they can't even spring for glass as they did in the past, what else did they cheapen? Add to this Friglux's post about friends of his buying a Whirlpool pair of FL washers recently and the board has already gone out (twice I think, don't quote me). Then, in addition to that, I can't remember if it was Frigilux or someone else that used to have a Maytag FL washer (maybe 4 or 5 years ago) and although I remember they LOVED it, there was a software problem where the spin wouldn't ramp up to the RPM's it was supposed to. I remember there being a post about a few people talking about experiencing that.

That all being said. Every SINGLE thing in my house is Whirlpool. The over the range microwave is as Old as my house and still works (Since Sept, 2004). Same as the Range....The fridge has been replaced, the dryer and the dishwasher. The dishwasher is a Maytag now 7 yrs old. Zero problems. The fridge is 3 ish years old. No problems so far...

But none of that means nothing when companies can completely change over the years.

If I had to buy a FL washer now: It's between 3. Either a SQ, LG with turbowash, or a Maytag FL with heater.


Post# 1118843 , Reply# 140   5/31/2021 at 01:20 (1,032 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        
We Knew This Was Coming......

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BRAVO!! Well done!

Post# 1120218 , Reply# 141   6/14/2021 at 02:32 (1,018 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
Our 1st impression.......

....is that the washer may be OK, but the dryer probably isn't.

Clothes out of the dryer seem underdone, or overdone. Guess the old Whirlpool spoiled us.

Only way to approximate the performance of the Whirlpool is to run a separate steam cycle on the LG. Then, the clothes usually feel normal to the touch. At the very least, the LG appears to be a first-class steamer.

Over time, we learned to use dryer sheets rather than fabric softener. At the end of a cycle on the LG, we're lucky to find 1/2 of the original sheet.

Oh, well. Live & learn.


Post# 1120249 , Reply# 142   6/14/2021 at 11:42 (1,017 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        
trappn

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you mentioned about clothes coming out of the dryer either overdone or underdone

what cycle is being used? Dryer sheets don't mix well with the newer LG dryers,

the sensors on them are sensitive. I don't use dryer sheets for the reasons you

mentioned, but I do use fabric softener carefully dosed. I have used steam

a few times, worked very well. eventually I will use the steam option in

replacement of fabric softener, which is the best choice for static control.


Post# 1120262 , Reply# 143   6/14/2021 at 12:51 (1,017 days old) by Egress (Oregon)        

the steam option works really well. I think the issue with dryer sheets/fabric softener is that it coats the sensors and causes the dryer to percieve the clothes as dry before they actually are dry.

we've never use either fabric softener or dryer sheets. the scents are too strong and honestly, we've never been unhappy with how our clothes feel without it.


Post# 1120287 , Reply# 144   6/14/2021 at 15:21 (1,017 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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On our LG, I use the timed setting to dry my towels out because the towels setting on it I feel like it doesn't quite get done all the way even though we don't use fabric softener or dryer sheets. And I always use the extra rinse setting on the washer because I feel like it doesn't rinse all the soap out completely. All in all, I like using the dryer sheets because I can use the old ones to easily clean lint off from the screen.

Post# 1120292 , Reply# 145   6/14/2021 at 15:49 (1,017 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
Glad you like the washer

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so far at least. I'm sticking with Whirlpool dryers though.. I've heard bad things about dryer sheets so I stopped using them a LONG time ago.

Post# 1120307 , Reply# 146   6/14/2021 at 19:00 (1,017 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
personally

I prefer to use fabric softener.

Post# 1120318 , Reply# 147   6/14/2021 at 22:37 (1,017 days old) by twintubdexter (Palm Springs)        
extended warranties...

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For what it's worth, when I was with Macy's California years ago, the most profitable item the entire store sold was extended warranties, particularly on televisions. They made a killing, much to the delight of the greedy upper management. They operated like the late Jack Benny joked about wealth..."it's not that I don't have enough money, it's just that I don't have all of it".


Post# 1120319 , Reply# 148   6/14/2021 at 22:37 (1,017 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        

We stopped using fabric softener a long time ago, then had great success with the sheets in the Whirlpool.

We'll stop using the sheets in the LG, especially since one already got past the drum seal. Pulled on it, but it ripped. Imagine some repairman will find the rest of it, one day.

So far, have only used the Normal & Bedding cycles on the washer & dryer. I ran a load of underwear & t-shirts that cane out of the dryer wrinkled. Suppose the load could have been spun too fast in the washer; but, a load of sheets came out wrinkled, too. The washer limits the Bedding spin speed at medium, max.

Maybe we'll stumble upon the perfect formula, but the dryer remains a mystery.




Post# 1120324 , Reply# 149   6/14/2021 at 23:35 (1,017 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)        
Check the options on the dryer

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The energy saver option is automatically selected so make sure you turn that off otherwise you will have partially dried loads. And you can always change the dryness level to your liking.

Post# 1120327 , Reply# 150   6/15/2021 at 01:18 (1,017 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
Energy Saver Option........

.....appears to be turned off by default on our DLGX4201. If powerfin64 has the same model, perhaps he could chime in.

We picked up a small bottle of the Tide With-A-Touch-Of Downy, today. Will see how that goes.

So far, we have washed with one extra rinse on each load.

If incorporating one of the steam options on each of our dryer loads would help, we would not be opposed to that. Thanks.


Post# 1120341 , Reply# 151   6/15/2021 at 09:23 (1,016 days old) by Golittlesport (California)        
dryness level

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I typically will push the dryness level up one notch on a mixed load of clothes on my LG dryer. If not, it seems to shut off when the thinnest fabrics are dry leaving heavier items a bit damp. When all items are the same fabric, such a load of sheets, it dries perfectly on the default setting. Once you get used to all the options you have on your machines and which ones work best for you I'm sure you will be fine.

Post# 1120343 , Reply# 152   6/15/2021 at 09:39 (1,016 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
I agree

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It takes time with a new setup to figure it out before you start hating it. I vividly remember back in 2005 when I first got my Duet pair. The first few loads I was so bummed out. I remember being horrified by the low water use (expecting laundromat front load action) and the clothes in the dryer were wrinkled too. The wrinkling was mostly the dryers fault, not the washers. I figured out eventually the load size matters, so I eventually got it right. When my Duet dryer died a few yrs ago, I replaced it with a standard whirlpool dryer. I noticed 2 things: The auto dry is more accurate than the sensor dry (for me, anyway) and sheets do not ball up like they did in the duet dryer.

My duet's max spin is 1000 rpm....so 1300 might make a huge difference in wrinkles. I'm not sure.


Post# 1120348 , Reply# 153   6/15/2021 at 10:33 (1,016 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        
Power Saver Option

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Yes I have the same model WM4200. The Energy Saver Option is used on the

Normal cycle only, can not be used with any other cycles. I have not used it

and most likely never will. I have used about 95% of all the cycles included

the downloaded cycles on the washer, about 1/4th of them I use regularly. 1/3rd

on the downloaded cycles on the dryer I use regularly. I used the highest spin

speed that is allowed for the cycle, and on the dryer use the default dryness

level with no problems so far.


Post# 1120374 , Reply# 154   6/15/2021 at 15:35 (1,016 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
Auto Dry?

Our 28-year old Whirlpool is equipped with the DRY-MISER sensor in the drum. Didn't realize the Auto Dry's were still made.

One thing to remember is the dryness level on this dryer is adjusted with the timer knob, with no detents. Theoretically, seems like you could fine-tune the dryness level a little more with the knob, rather than the 5 settings on the LG. Once we found our sweet spot with the knob, the dryer never seemed to fail us.

Newer isn't always better, but we sure do like the steam functions.


Post# 1120451 , Reply# 155   6/16/2021 at 13:19 (1,015 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
auto-dry

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I went over this confusion a couple of years ago when I got my standard Whirlpool dryer. Those have had auto-dry for decades, haven't they? However, I never paid attention in the past. When I got my duet front load pair, the dryer had "sensor" dry with strips inside the drum to detect moisture. I didn't know the difference until someone here explained it to me. At any rate, I never felt like the sensor dry was nearly as accurate (believe it or not) as this auto-dry on my current whirlpool. It's not perfect, but mostly if I hit the dial between normal and more dry, the load dryness is almost perfect. You can tell they didn't keep tumbling while bone dry because I can feel a wee bit of moisture in certain spots that are thick (even those spots are dry enough to put away)

If I have a really heavy full load, it's a different story. I have to move the dial well above more dry or it will end the cycle with clothes still too damp for me. I'm not sure why this is. I can put a medium load no normal and it's perfectly dry.....but a heavy full load on normal isn't. But I've figured about where to turn the dial for it to end up being dry without over drying on those big loads.

There have been a couple of times where I went to check the load as it was drying and they were bone dry and the dial still hadn't even made it to less dry yet...At this point, I can almost use the timer instead because I know how long it will take based on the load contents or size of the load.


Post# 1120454 , Reply# 156   6/16/2021 at 13:46 (1,015 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
I don't know about now, but

it used to be there two types of auto dry systems. The lower end type was a sensor in the exhaust flow, and sensed the dryness of the exhaust air. Higher end models included an/or/and, an additional in the drum sensor sensing dampness in the clothing.

Post# 1120456 , Reply# 157   6/16/2021 at 13:52 (1,015 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Interesting, the disconnect between "auto dry" and "sensor dry" ... they're the same concept (the machine automatically varies drying time based on the characteristics of moisture evaporation on individual loads), handled via different methods (indirectly via temperature or directly via contact with the fabric).  Moisture-sensing auto dry isn't all that new of a thing, been offered for more than 55 years.


Post# 1120459 , Reply# 158   6/16/2021 at 14:37 (1,015 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Big load issues on AutoDry dryers

They rely heavily on everything being accessible to all the air.

If everything can heat up continuously, no cold spots or such, the triggering of the thermal setpoints will happen at a correct point of time.

AutoDry is more of an adaptive drying system then a true sensor system.
Keep in mind it's just the timer running like a timer - just with interruptions.
The time you set is basically "How long do these need to run at a certain temperature".

On the small end of the load size range, the 5kW of heating can bake moisture out of your load really quickly.
The time the timer needs to run from normal dry to cool down would equate to much more evaporation possibility then on larger loads.

On the large side of loads, even after being heated up to temp, there is still a lot of evaporation to do compared to a very small load.
But the timer is already running.

Further to this, on large loads, it can happen that at a certain point some areas get less airflow then others.
So damp patches can't drag down the temp enough to get long enough pauses of timer progression to be dried.
Same with thick items: The surface drys quickly, thus AutoDry advances quickly, but moisture can't get from the inner parts to the outer parts fast enough.

AutoDry basically does educated guessing based on how much drying you think a load needs and certain setpoints it knows to interpret.
Best example: Some very early AutoDry systems just set a cutoff point at a very high temperature. Basically assuming that once it got that hot things had to be dry (or have already burnt to dust).



Sensor drying like we used to have it over here and now only have it in 1 case was a very on point system.

The theory is that electricity travels the path of least resistance.
So no matter where a damp patch is in the laundry, if the current has to travel all the way through, it will always show a reading there is still moisture.

Very good dryers used to very dynamicly adjust target temps based on these readings dropping heat output very low towards the end of certain cycles.
Mieles Novotronic and Txxxx series dryers were amazing at it.

Cost cutting or like in the case of US dryers just plain construction criteria made a big change to sensor drying systems.
Over here they used to consist of 2 carbon brushes running along 2 bands on the outside of the drum. One was connected to the drum, one to the drum paddles. The current path was from the paddles to the drum and since dry cotton has an insane resistance, that would sense even deeper moisture pockets.
Now the path is just between these 2 strips and since the distance is very small, it can very easily happen that moisture is just missed.

Add to that that dryness targets have been moved down due to energy labelling and unsatisfactory results are common.



I don't think that either technology is inherently better if either is done right.

A good sensor system will be much more accurate even fringe situations while in most laundry tasks auto systems will do just as well if not better and usually a lot simpler and cheaper.

Some manufacturers claim to use a combination of both but yet have to see proof of that.


Post# 1120466 , Reply# 159   6/16/2021 at 15:22 (1,015 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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My opinion, the two systems are both auto-dry.  More correct to differentiate them as thermostatic auto-dry and moisture-sensing auto-dry.

Thermostatic in my experience is not consistent when the dryer is installed in a non-climate-controlled space such as a garage or porch.  Cold weather causes longer run-time and over-drying trying to reach the target temperature to run the timer out to Off, while the clothes are still drying, giving up moisture during that process.  Very hot weather skews the other direction.  Moisture-sensing is more consistent via directly reading the moisture level of the fabric without dependency on hitting the temperature point to run-out the timer.


Post# 1120467 , Reply# 160   6/16/2021 at 15:22 (1,015 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
If I had to guess...........

......I'd say our old Whirlpool was one of the higher-end Auto Dry models, as Vacerator has suggested.

One thing I left out is that we dried most of our clothes on low heat, with the dryness set close to the midpoint between dry & very dry.

Towels were dried on high, with the dryness setting @ very dry.

On the LG's, the consumer is locked out of many of the combinations we were used to both on the washer & dryer. LG seems to be in love with the higher heat settings. Would like to have one downloadable cycle for washer & dryer that returns control of these expensive items back to us.

We'll figure it all out, eventually.

powerfin64.....seems like the washer manual for the 4000 series was rushed to print. Even the on-line version doesn't clearly state how to execute a straight rinse & spin on the 4000's. Owners from a few years ago would probably be suprised how many changes have been made. Any thoughts? Thanks.


Post# 1120468 , Reply# 161   6/16/2021 at 15:27 (1,015 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
Forgot to mention......

......None of the written instructions for the washer rinse & spin or the two dryer self-tests actually work on our units. Makes you wonder.

Post# 1120476 , Reply# 162   6/16/2021 at 17:48 (1,015 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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Yes I agree Glenn Any dryer where you are not setting a timer has auto dry.

 

DOE regulations have required an auto dry cycle on dryers for at least 25 years.

 

Dryers with actual moisture sensors all have electrical sensing strips inside the drum that the clothing touch [ I have never seen a dryer with a moisture sensor in the exhaust duct etc or anywhere else except inside the drum ]

 

The other main type is a Time-Temperature system which as Glenn noted can be mislead by room temperature ex-streams and long or very short exhaust duct runs, however these systems can be very accurate and predictable.

 

John L.


Post# 1120492 , Reply# 163   6/16/2021 at 20:07 (1,015 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
there have been a few times

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where I interrupted auto dry, only to find that the clothes were BONE dry, right? Yet, the dial hadn't even made it to LESS DRY. No telling how much longer it would have progressed with HEAT, had I not stopped it. I'm trying to understand how that happens if there is absolutely zero moisture being exhausted. Like I said, it's not perfect, but sometimes turning the dial above MORE DRY will cause this, other times it will be perfect.

Post# 1120501 , Reply# 164   6/16/2021 at 21:20 (1,015 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Nothing mysterious about any of it.

Thermostatic auto-dry operates solely on temperature.  The temperature thermostat in the exhaust air path controls the timer.  The timer does not run when the heat source is on and does run when the heat is off.  Moisture evaporating from the load keeps the air temperature down which keeps the heat on to reach the target temperature.  The clothes retain heat better as they progress toward dryness and the air heats faster with less moisture content to evaporate, so the heat source runs for shorter periods to maintain the target temperature and the timer runs for longer periods to move along toward Off.

Moisture sensing auto-dry uses a low-voltage electric circuit to run an analog timer per (lack of) moisture hits on the sensor bars, or as input to an electronic control board that counts the hits against its program algorithms.  Heating response curve via temperature readings from a thermistor can be incorporated into the algorithms with the moisture hit counting but direct moisture sensing is the primary factor.

Moisture-sensing systems nowadays with an electronic control board typically dry until the moisture hits drop to a trigger level then continue for a timed run-out and cool down.  Program algorithms can vary the run-out time depending on the selected cycle (type of fabric), temperature curve input, how long it took for the moisture hits to drop to the trigger point (which also can vary per the fabric/cycle), and other such factors.  Thermostatic auto-dry can't do that.

All dryers reasonably have a thermostat(s) or a thermistor as such to control the drying temperature, otherwise the heat source would never turn off, with potential to scorch the clothes or cause a fire.


Post# 1120506 , Reply# 165   6/16/2021 at 23:32 (1,015 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        
trappn.. rinse and spin

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look at your control panel, its the last button, BELOW the extra rinse button.

(far right on the bottom row.) <----this is for WM4200

Mark, DaDoES explained it perfectly for Auto- dry.


Post# 1120507 , Reply# 166   6/16/2021 at 23:54 (1,015 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        
trappn, forgot to mention..

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you can do a rinse and spin on any cycle on the dial, and times will be different

for each. Here's how to execute a rinse and spin for a cycle:

Turn on the machine, turn dial to a cycle of choice, press the rinse and spin

button, press Start. ** you can add up to 3 ADDITIONAL rinses, on rinse and spin

with most cycles, a few cycles only allow 2 additional rinses**





Post# 1120509 , Reply# 167   6/17/2021 at 00:30 (1,015 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Mark, I'm curious how long your dryer will run to shut-off with no clothes on the Regular/Normal auto dry cycle, at the designated Normal dry level and whatever is considered the regular temperature (high? medium?).

I checked mine a few mins ago.  The display says "Sensing Dampness" at the start, then "Drying Damp" and progresses from there through the dryness levels as they're reached (Damp, Damp+, Dry, Dry+, Extra Dry) to the selected target, then Cooling and shut-off.  Cool down is to 95°F or maximum of 10 mins.

Normal cycle (medium 140°F temperature) at Dry level with clothes would be Sensing Dampness, Drying Damp, Damp, Damp+, Dry --> Cooling.

The test went from Sensing Dampness directly to Cooling in 5 mins 30 seconds.  No moisture hits so it didn't need to continue through the dryness levels.  Cool down 2 mins 45 seconds, it shut off at 8 mins 15 seconds total.


Post# 1120519 , Reply# 168   6/17/2021 at 05:00 (1,015 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
No load sensig on sensor dryers

Have seen many differences.

Some machines over here used to never even start heating and just aborted the cycle after a minute or two.

Now most sense to an empty default time like 30min or so, start heating and then abort either into a short cool down or straight to end after a few minutes like you described.
Thresholds there are set quite different aswell...


Post# 1120537 , Reply# 169   6/17/2021 at 08:24 (1,014 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
powerfin64.........

....thanks for the info.

We finally stumbled upon the "enhanced" users manual by scanning the QR code. Even that one states "Do not select a cycle."

We tried it your way, and it works perfectly. Thanks.


Post# 1120569 , Reply# 170   6/17/2021 at 12:29 (1,014 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
@ DADoES

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Compared to your test, I'd say mine was a total fail.

Ok, at exactly 1pm I turned dial to normal (auto dry) medium heat and started with nothing in it. At 1:08 it made it to less dry, by 1:14 it was on cool down, and at 1:27, got the buzz. I never knew how long cool down was on this dryer. After 1:14, the heat did not come back on, so it was in cooldown from 1:14 to 1:27


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Post# 1120573 , Reply# 171   6/17/2021 at 12:39 (1,014 days old) by Egress (Oregon)        

I think our LG's cooldown is 5 minutes only, no matter the cycle. the cats love it, but laundry can be quite warm still after the dryer turns off.

Post# 1120575 , Reply# 172   6/17/2021 at 12:50 (1,014 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

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Maybe we should start a thread on how long our dryers take to sense an empty drum.

Post# 1120580 , Reply# 173   6/17/2021 at 13:02 (1,014 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Mark, Whirlpool pioneered the 10 minute cool down back in 1958 when they gave is Wash 'n' Wear cycles. When Whirlpool still offered 3 timed dry cycles (WnW/PP, Delicate, Normal) or Automatic Dry Regular and Automatic WnW/PP, the Regular and Delicate cycles only had a 5 minute cool down. When Whirlpool consolidate both their Automatic Dry cycles into 1 all-fabric cycle then all dry cycles had a 10 minute cool down. My Maytag LDE9824 has 6 minute cool down for IntelliDry Regular and 12 minute cool down for IntelliDry Permanent Press. For the 12 years I still had the Lady Shredmore after I got teh Maytag dryer, I used the Regular Dry for loads that were towels or underwear type things that were in rapid succession. Saving those 6 minutes helped get those loads processed faster. I petty much use the Perm Press dry cycle for all loads now, particularly after I moved to front loaders in 2006.

Post# 1120584 , Reply# 174   6/17/2021 at 14:01 (1,014 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
My kenmore elite and lg cousin

takes 5 minutes to cooldown on all sensor cycles. I use normal without energy saver.

Post# 1120587 , Reply# 175   6/17/2021 at 14:30 (1,014 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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It's hard to tell if the cool down was 10 min's or 13. Because part of that 13 min's could have been the very end of the less dry...so if I had to guess, this cool down on my particular dryer is 10 minutes exactly, which I would have never guessed it was that long. So some of the loads that get dry in 40 min's, actually only literally took 30 min to dry. And the loads that take an hour really took 50 min's. (LOL)

Post# 1120588 , Reply# 176   6/17/2021 at 15:08 (1,014 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Mark, as you move your timer dial from less dry to off, there SHOULD be a "click" or notch and that means the cool down phase has started. then that period is from that point until it turns off, which should be another click or notch.

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Post# 1120590 , Reply# 177   6/17/2021 at 15:16 (1,014 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
On a vented dryer, cool down is still drying

While there wouldn't be much of a difference in you just taking things out and airing them manually, the cool down should still remove moisture.
Laundry is warm, airflow is still strong, so it still might pull the last percent of moisture out.

But these 20min of drying on an empty drum is exactly what I was trying to say:
Thermal AutoDry is just guestimating and saying that basically any load - even a single item - might take 20min to dry sounds reasonable to be.


Post# 1120597 , Reply# 178   6/17/2021 at 17:18 (1,014 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Mark, 14 mins to start of cool down is about what I'd expect on a mechanical timer, maybe a bit less than expected.  Normal dry historically is at center of the range, but is skewed more conservative nowadays toward the Less Dry end.  You can probably set your timer for much more "dryness" than the designated More Dry position.

Is your Wrinkle Shield feature selectable On/Off or always active on the Auto Dry cycle?  Does it tumble continuously for the duration or intermittently (I'm guessing continuously)?

As stated previously, cool down on my dryer on auto-dry is to 95°F or maximum 10 mins to avoid running for a very long time if unable to reach 95°F in a high-temp environment.  Timed drying cools for 10 mins on the 80- and 40-mins cycle selections, 5 mins on the 20-mins cycle.

Also, the Regular cycle heat temperature is 149°F, not 140°F.  Cycle options say Regular is Medium+ temperature.  High (Heavy, Denims, etc.) and Medium+ are both 149°F but there is no information on what's the difference between them.  Maybe the control board keeps the air temp tighter around 149°F for High than Medium+.  Medium (PPress) is 140°F.  Low/Delicate is 127°F.


Post# 1120602 , Reply# 179   6/17/2021 at 18:18 (1,014 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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My dryer has 3 buttons. The main knob you see in the picture above. Then 2 other buttons. One is cycle signal on/off and the other is heat selection of high/med/low

the main dial's wrinkle shield is always on and it's not a constant tumble. It's intermittent until you open the door. Once you open the door and close it, it stops. I usually turn the dial back to off myself, but a few times I've forgotten it and it moves itself back to off but nothing runs (LOL)?

With a large heavy load, I have to turn it past more dry, but not much past if I want the clothes to be dry by the end. For normal sized medium loads, I turn the dial just slightly above normal. Most of the time it gets it right if I do this.


Post# 1120672 , Reply# 180   6/18/2021 at 07:56 (1,013 days old) by roscoe62 (Canada)        
@ mark_wpduet

My drier is like yours, and it is efficient for drying. Was considering getting the twin steam drier to the Whirlpool wfw6620 washer I have, but the control board is going in it already, so with appliance availability low right now because of the pandemic, the control board may take time getting here. That said, I may be looking at another LG given Whirlpool's dependability this time around.

Post# 1120699 , Reply# 181   6/18/2021 at 12:34 (1,013 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
See

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I keep little mental notes when reading posts on this forum is someone mentions a control board issue over the years... and it's almost always Whirlpool. Yes, I've heard other brands too but not nearly as much as Whirlpool. Even I had an issue the 2nd year of owning my Duet in 2005 and the duet Dryer a few years ago before I replaced it. But I've mostly had great luck with anything Whirlpool made so I can only go by what I read on the internet..

Yes these standard dryers are great. I think my favorite thing of all is they don't ball up sheets. I suffered for years with my Duet dryer struggling to get sheets dry because the cycle would end and it would be a damp ball in the middle with everything else one dry and I couldn't put them away until they were dry because I store them in a chest. Even using tennis balls didn't help. With this dryer, when the dryer buzzes, the sheets are dry all the way and not balled up.


Post# 1120711 , Reply# 182   6/18/2021 at 16:01 (1,013 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
Cool Down......

Whether our old Whirlpool is a sensor or Auto-Dry, one thing is abundantly clear.

Whirlpool seems to have placed a lot of thought into the cool-down phase. Seems like the heat cycle gradually ramped down. By the time the cycle ended, the cloths were very pleasant to the touch both temperature & finish-wise.

Nothing subtle about the LG dryer.


Post# 1122912 , Reply# 183   7/11/2021 at 02:27 (991 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
We Figured It Out......

After much trial & error, we have fallen in love with our new LG pair.

Most everyone contributed; but, special thanks go to Powerfin64, Golittlesport, & Mark for their Helpful Hints on how to live with the dryer. Sorry if we left anyone out.

For most everything, we push the dryness level to one notch above normal. Then, we utilize the "Reduce Static" steam option which seems to soften things up a bit. Except for towels, we don't usually choose anything beyond medium heat for non-steam cycles.

Thanks, again, for everyone's input.


Post# 1122941 , Reply# 184   7/11/2021 at 09:28 (990 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        

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Very glad to hear you fallen in love with your new LG set. you will find your

go to cycles/favorites that you use most. I have used almost all of the cycles

on both of the machines and pleasantly happy with the results. Have you used

any of the "downloaded" cycles? There is a handful of cycles on both machines

I use that I think are very useful.

Keep us informed


Post# 1122985 , Reply# 185   7/11/2021 at 16:04 (990 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
Downloaded Cycles

We're intrigued by some of the listed cycles, but don't quite know what to make of some of them.

For instance, noticed the "Juice & Food Stains" and "Collars & Cuffs" cycles utilize hot water. Was taught that hot water sets these types of stains, rather than remove them.

Any thoughts?


Post# 1122999 , Reply# 186   7/11/2021 at 19:39 (990 days old) by Golittlesport (California)        

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Glad to hear you're liking your new set.

Protein based stains, like blood, will set in hot water and should be treated in cold or cool water.

Oily dirt and sweat usually need hot water as it softens and dissolves oil and the fat in sweat. Hot water default on "collars and cuffs" cycle makes sense to me.

I always pretreat stains before going into the machine anyway.


Post# 1123002 , Reply# 187   7/11/2021 at 20:58 (990 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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With these two donwnloaded cycles, is steam a default on either one? Can you add steam option to the default settings for either of these cycles? How about adding a prewash optoin to these cycles? Ever since I got my Duet, I ceased having to waste time treating stains. My steam option started with warm/cool water and heated the water to hot from there.



Post# 1123016 , Reply# 188   7/11/2021 at 22:20 (990 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        
our dearest Bob...

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to answer your questions: on downloaded cycles "collars and cuffs" and "juice and food" Neither cycles have steam as Default and can not add pre-wash to either while Steam option is selected.
You CAN select extra hot on both(hot is default) WITH pre-wash added. Once Steam option is choice, you can not select any water temperatures.
Both Extra hot and Steam option lengthens cycle times GREATLY regardless of soil level chosen.


Post# 1123017 , Reply# 189   7/11/2021 at 22:44 (990 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Rich, thank you so much for the explanation!!!

Post# 1123041 , Reply# 190   7/12/2021 at 08:08 (989 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        

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your welcome Bob.

Post# 1123078 , Reply# 191   7/12/2021 at 12:07 (989 days old) by appnut (TX)        
A question for you Rich

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Do you know if the prewash water temp is always cold or is it the same as the wash water temperature for the selected cycle?

Post# 1123084 , Reply# 192   7/12/2021 at 12:51 (989 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
the prewash water

is always cold. I assume this is because you don't want certain stains, especially blood to set into clothes.

Post# 1123092 , Reply# 193   7/12/2021 at 15:13 (989 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
Thanks Everyone.....

Seems like sweat is often included in lists of protein stains. That's what is throwing us off.

Powerfin64.....can you give us some examples of how you utilize the washer steam cycles? We thought LG would have recommended steam for some types of stain removal, but not much has been written about it. Thanks.


Post# 1123110 , Reply# 194   7/12/2021 at 19:16 (989 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        
Bob and Trappn

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Pre-wash is always cold, that can not be changed. It was the same on my last

LG washer also.

Trappn, The user guide seems to be written very generic and doesn't say really

anything other than what allergiene cycle is used for. I have not used the steam

option yet on the cycles that allow it, have used the allergiene cycle 1X so far,

its a long cycle. I do use the Extra-Hot water temperature fairly regularly.

I'll suggest try on tough odor removal, hard to remove stains, allergies. I

will say the allergiene cycle uses very little water and adds a little at a time

for the steaming process. That's the best I can offer right now.


Post# 1123387 , Reply# 195   7/16/2021 at 06:13 (985 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
When you start a cycle,

it will always start with cold water in short bursts, especially on the normal cycle.

Post# 1123409 , Reply# 196   7/16/2021 at 09:45 (985 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        

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thats on older models, this is about new current models with Allergiene, NOT Normal cycle, Jerome.

Post# 1123869 , Reply# 197   7/22/2021 at 14:13 (979 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
if you want spin,

you just press power, spin speed, then start.

Post# 1123878 , Reply# 198   7/22/2021 at 19:36 (979 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
recently replace washer dryer

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recently replace a 17 year old whirlpool duet set washer and dryer for this set and so far i have been using auto dry setting more dry high heat its like the dryer moisture sensor on the auto dry cycle even if i set it to high heat do not add extra heat and its a maytag set topload washer with matching dryer pic of new set

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Post# 1123881 , Reply# 199   7/22/2021 at 20:14 (979 days old) by luxflairguy (Wilmington NC)        

Thank you Pierre! Can others make up make up their own minds? There are a lot of choices out there!

Post# 1123891 , Reply# 200   7/23/2021 at 01:05 (979 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
Love to hear everyone's opinions, but.....

....perhaps we are stray'n a little off course on this thread. Just say'n. Thanks.



Post# 1124037 , Reply# 201   7/24/2021 at 23:10 (977 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        

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some have not learned it's rude and inconsiderate to add a subject that is NOT part of the current discussion.

Post# 1124039 , Reply# 202   7/24/2021 at 23:48 (977 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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Yes we did go way off topic in some replies. Sorry about that

Post# 1124046 , Reply# 203   7/25/2021 at 02:42 (977 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
Thanks for the words.......

......most didn't seem to intend any harm. Please, keep any relevant thoughts or opinions coming. Thanks, again.

Post# 1124115 , Reply# 204   7/25/2021 at 18:12 (976 days old) by Egress (Oregon)        

Looks like the pre-wash dispenser is cold, main wash dispenser is hot and cold, fabric softener is warm (couldn't verify, but would make sense) and bleach/spray rinse is cold. hence the 3 cold and 1 hot valves. am not sure how they run the fabric softener dispenser though it might just be hot and one of the colds running at the same time to redirect the water into the fabric softener. I verified this using the test mode on the washer which is accessible by holding the spin and soil buttons down and then turning the washer on.

Post# 1124721 , Reply# 205   8/1/2021 at 23:57 (969 days old) by appnut (TX)        
Question on dryer sensor cycles

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When selecting a sensor cycle such as perm press, towels, or delicates. can you change the default temperature: such as changing the temp to high on towels; changing from medium to low on perm press; or on delicates, changing the temp from low to ultra low?

Post# 1124722 , Reply# 206   8/2/2021 at 00:25 (969 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        
Question on dryer sensor cycles

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Answer is no, they can not be changed. all are pre-set temperatures for each cycle. Timed dry is the only cycle temperatures can be changed.

Post# 1124723 , Reply# 207   8/2/2021 at 00:46 (969 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Rich thanks. Just means, I select the sensor cycle to match what temperature I want and adjust the degree of dryness to what I want.

What does AI do for the Normal cycle then? My 26.66 y/o Maytag dryer is giving up the ghost. I need a dryer with a pedestal and my cabinet clearance is between 53.25 & 53.50 inches. Whirpool is too tall.


Post# 1124725 , Reply# 208   8/2/2021 at 01:49 (969 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        
Your welcome Bob

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that is correct. once you get to know what cycle temperatures are.
AI ==Artificial Intelligence is a fabric sensor/smart pairing. AI senses the fabric characteristics being dried and adjusts the cycle accordingly.

AI is with most cycles(washer and dryer)

smart pairing is washer communicating with the dryer and selects the proper corresponding cycle for the dryer.(dial cycles only, does not for the "downloaded" cycles.)

Note: washer and dryer must be connected to internet WIFI in order for the smart pairing to operate


Post# 1126862 , Reply# 209   8/26/2021 at 02:37 (945 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
Powdered Detergent......

.....It's been quite some time (decades) since we used powdered detergent in our washers.

Over the last couple of years, the various manufacturers have managed to ruin the scent of almost every liquid, in our opinion.

Also, recall several comments that the powders might be better for stain removal.

Over the weekend, I noticed there are still a few powders carried in Central Illinois. Wondering if anyone could help us set a baseline for the proper amount of detergent, in volume. We have soft water.

We kind of know how to dose the liquids. Wondering where a reasonable starting point would be for the powders? Thanks.



Post# 1129501 , Reply# 210   9/24/2021 at 12:35 (915 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I''m having problems connecting to LG's server. I've just about had it. Everything else has progressed fine Checking the connection, security check, and still trying to connnect to the server And that's after I activated the WiFi.



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Post# 1129510 , Reply# 211   9/24/2021 at 17:34 (915 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
Our Opinion.........

.....is that router performance degrades, over time.

Another thing to consider is that home appliances often work better on the 2.4 ghz frequency vs 5.0.

Also, home appliances often seem to hiccup when connected to a mesh routing system.

We are partial to Asus computers, motherboards, & routers.

Whenever a new router protocol is introduced, we usually invest in one of the highly-rated entry-level models.

Our current router is the AX3000 (RT-AX58U.) This is a "smart" router that automatically chooses which frequency is best.


Post# 1129515 , Reply# 212   9/24/2021 at 19:24 (915 days old) by Egress (Oregon)        

yeah, we had issues with the washer disconnecting, but the dryer has been fine. no clue why only the washer has issues.

Post# 1129542 , Reply# 213   9/24/2021 at 23:21 (915 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Not sure how this happened, but I got it to work finally!!!

I got to see the downloadable cycles and saw there's one that's for ultra delicates. the only way currently to access ultra low temperature is via timed dry. This downloadable cycle is an auto dry using ultra low temperature, which I have a need for as opposed to the default downloable cycle Super Dry.


Post# 1129545 , Reply# 214   9/25/2021 at 00:18 (915 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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Join the club. I seldom if ever even use my LG washers connectivity but when we switched from our old cable service to this new broadband based tv and internet service they installed an new all in one modem/router. Since then it was hit or miss and I was spending ages trying to get it to connect and it seldom does so I've pretty much given up on it. It more annoys me that it doesn't work, even though as I said I seldom use it or need it,, it just bugs me when something doesn't work. LOL. Sometimes I can still ask Alexa what the washers status is, but again that's hit and miss. This new modem/router automatically switches from 2 to 5 g and I think that may be my issue.

Post# 1129557 , Reply# 215   9/25/2021 at 09:12 (914 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
Router Woes

When the smart thermostats first came out, we were guilty of blaming the software or apps for all the dropped signals. Later, we found it was usually the router's fault.

Our latest router hasn't missed a beat when connecting to our smart devices. So far, ThinQ has done everything it's supposed to.

Also, I ThinQ most of the Smart Connect-type routers will allow the individual clients (devices) to be locked on one of the frequencies, or the other. You would have to log in to the router to change the settings.


Post# 1129560 , Reply# 216   9/25/2021 at 09:41 (914 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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WiFi routers should broadcast on both bands.  They should be configured with different network names (SSID) for the two bands so one can knowingly choose which band for connecting a device.  The passwords for the two bands can be the same for the convenience of not dealing with two different passwords, or the passwords can be different ... either way won't affect the device connection which is chosen by the network name.

2.4GHz has a larger signal coverage area but slower speed.  Some devices such as thermostats and appliances may work only on this band.  Check your router settings to be sure this slower band is enabled and properly configured if you have such devices involved.

5GHz provides higher speed but smaller coverage area.


Post# 1129632 , Reply# 217   9/26/2021 at 09:12 (913 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
5 GHz Router

The Kenmore’s and LG WashTower would never connect with 5 GHz. Always 2.4 GHz.
I always found the Permanent Press cycle to be great on the WashTower dryer.


Post# 1129649 , Reply# 218   9/26/2021 at 11:17 (913 days old) by PinkPower4 (USA)        
Netgear Smart Connect

I have been following this discussion with great interest as I would lean toward LG if I were choosing a front load. I would consider the SQ FF7, but the cost difference is more of an issue (than MT mwwp575gw vs TC5000) here plus I really did like my old LG's sani-cycle.

Netgear has a feature called Smart Connect.

Enable Smart Connect - Let the router intelligently select the best 2.4 GHz or 5 GHz WiFi band for your WiFi connections. Smart Connect requires that the 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz WiFi networks use the same WiFi network name (SSID), security options, and password.

When a device can use either, the feature seems to know whether the longer range or higher speed would work the best for a particular situation.

This feature should be available in other routers although it may go by a different name.

Side Note. I created one network for my devices that uses Smart Connect. I use the Guest Network for the kids. On the 2.4 band, I allow them to see each other and allow access to local network. Some on this board may want to use that for lower priority devices that can quickly be booted off if needed. I use the 5 band for guests only. It has a different pw than the 2.4 and no access to see each other or to the local network. I can just change password if needed without affecting the rest of us.



Post# 1129693 , Reply# 219   9/26/2021 at 19:27 (913 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
5.0 For Guests Only......

....5GHz should probably remain reserved for applications that require a great deal of bandwidth.

Example: Someone has "Cut-The Cord," and has multiple "streaming" devices situated around their home. They have decided to rely on a WIFI connection, in lieu of the expense of hard-wiring these streaming boxes, or Smart TV's.

Smart toasters, refrigerators, + washers & dryers probably better off remaining on the 2.4GHz frequency. Eventually, this could change; but, for now, this is probably the best way to think about setting up a new router.



Post# 1129695 , Reply# 220   9/26/2021 at 19:44 (913 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
Forgot To Mention.....

....it's probably still too early to expect manufacturers to design products that cooperate with all the latest frequencies & protocols.

Seems like the newer routers are way ahead of the game.

We prefer to take a "Keep It Simple" approach to these new technologies. We figured out what works, and doesn't work, for now.


Post# 1129716 , Reply# 221   9/27/2021 at 04:31 (913 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Most devices and usecases don't saturate a 5GHz link. Neither does basically any household internet connection.

5GHz is great for multiple clients though.
Theoretically, both bands can accommodate the same number of clients as long as the access point can handle them IIRC.
It's just that once you have a dozen or so devices, 2.4GHz might get crowded.

If you live in a flat or close to many others, it can crowded too.
Many routers check bands and channels automatically and adjust accordingly, some have to be triggered manually to do so.



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