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Bosch condenser or Miele heat pump dryer? |
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Post# 1119612 , Reply# 3   6/7/2021 at 17:42 (1,024 days old) by aamassther (Hendersonville, NC )   |   | |
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We have a Miele Little Giant condenser dryer and the T1 heat pump dryer. Bought the heat pump b/c the condenser was taking too long to dry. I figured that with the speed of my Little Giant washer, I could have 2 dryers going at once. Well, i was wrong, the T1 dry time matches the LiGi times. I don’t use the condenser much anymore.
Other things to consider- I’ve found that the condenser runs hot, even on half heat. I was shrinking a lot of shirts. the heat pump is much more gentle, even though its dry time is faster. The heat pump is much easier to maintain. Just the plinth filter to rinse out, instead of all the lint in the air path plus rinsing the condenser unit and wiping the area out around it. I prefer, though, sheets dried in the condenser to the t1, same sheets softer and much less wrinkled. Also, heat pump is cheaper to run. Our power bill went down. |
Post# 1119722 , Reply# 5   6/9/2021 at 05:35 (1,023 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Why not save your money and keep using your current dryer that works great ?
Yes I get that you don't want to cut through your new window, but in cooler weather you can vent inside by building a very good filter box with a high quality pleated filter and filter out nearly all dust and lint.
And if you want to use the dryer much in warm or hot weather you can use a flexible temporary vent hose that can be positioned through an open window with a window plate to fill the space around the vent hose.
As to the best ventless dryer currently available I would get the full sized WP Heat-Pump Hybrid the other dryers are just too small and slow if you do much laundry or want to dry large things like queen and king sized comforters for example.
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Post# 1119734 , Reply# 7   6/9/2021 at 09:11 (1,023 days old) by stevefromsydney (London)   |   | |
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Apologies Canuck, the Bosch that was left here was a condenser Dryer, not a heat pump. |
Post# 1119834 , Reply# 9   6/9/2021 at 21:30 (1,022 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Been several years on now, and think have only used my AEG Lavatherm condenser dryer a handful of times.
Weather here is increasingly warm and humid, or cool and damp. Neither moves one to add yet more moisture to indoor air by using condenser dryer. So things go into the Whirlpool vented portable If someone locally is ever letting go of a Miele or other heat pump dryer might be tempted. But something would have to go as don't have room to warehouse another dryer. People around here either swear by their heat pump dyers, or swear at them.... *LOL* For many especially in new construction apartments there just isn't any way to have a vented dryer. Thus they're stuck with either condenser or heat pump. Neither dry fast as what most are used to so they cannot do multiple loads per day. Neighbor rarely uses her Miele heat pump dryer. Just takes wash around to local laundromat and bungs everything into those large dryers. Twenty to thirty minutes or less, she's done... Don't tumble dry sheets, they are hung up until damp dry enough for ironing. Then either go through one of my rotary irons, or done by hand. On few occasions did try using Lavatherm for sheets (they were sateen) things bunched up terribly, even with reverse tumbling pattern. Never bothered much afterwards. This post was last edited 06/10/2021 at 01:23 |
Post# 1120065 , Reply# 10   6/12/2021 at 14:43 (1,020 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)   |   | |
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Post# 1120092 , Reply# 14   6/12/2021 at 19:11 (1,019 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Difference in prices for Miele appliances between Canada and USA probably has something to do with a mix of tariffs and exchange rates.
USD always exchanges for more in Canadian money, while reverse is true otherwise. That is buying something in Canada with USD is cheaper, but if you buy something in USA and pay with Canadian money it costs more. You see this on sites like fleaPay that do the conversion in prices automatically and show results. Only way to get a Miele USA appliance up north or vice versa is to find a private buyer who either is selling one, and or go and buy it oneself and bring it back across border. Each of the Miele North American divisions are technically separate (USA, Mexico and Canada). You cannot even order parts from say Canada and have them shipped to USA or vice versa. One has tried and got the same standard explanation. |
Post# 1120093 , Reply# 15   6/12/2021 at 19:16 (1,019 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Miele North America has been undergoing many changes the past year or so. Much of this has to do with a change in management that shook things up. New people were put into key positions and obviously made changes, some good, others not so much depending upon which side of fence one sits.
One can only guess (and hope) increase in delivery charges means your local Miele has upped their game. That is instead of using third party delivery/install people, Miele is using either in house personnel, or at least a better quality of trained third party people. |
Post# 1120121 , Reply# 17   6/13/2021 at 02:59 (1,019 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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I found this in the manual. 800 Watts @ 240 Volts makes 3.3 Amps.
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Post# 1120129 , Reply# 18   6/13/2021 at 06:15 (1,019 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)   |   | |
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I got a Bosch used and told it was not drying properly, It was the same old story of limescale all over the filter which was preventing air flow and these machines require a lot of air to dry properly so a clean of the filter and seal up of the condenser that previous owner had cut open to clean it even though it was a SELF cleaning condenser !!! Go figure. So after being cleaned and tested it turned out to be one of the best dryers I have used its my 3rd heat pump and although it only goes in one direction it has a Dildo sticking out the back off the drum like the Midea has and sadly it will bunch fitted sheets but if you take them out and reload its very quick at drying, Has a towels cycle which so I am told it gets a little help from a heater and it will dry a load of towels in less than an hour which is most impressive..
Austin |
Post# 1122573 , Reply# 22   7/7/2021 at 03:25 (995 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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I can't speak to the condenser dryer because I have never had one. I have a Miele T1 heat pump dryer. I am very happy with the performance. It dries very well, it doesn't take hours and hours to dry a load and it DOES NOT add hot air to my laundry room. Every time I have read someone post about concerns that the dryer will make the room too warm I am surprised because that has not happened to me. We live in the south so I would notice if the dryer was fighting with the A/C.
My HP dryer does have more than one filter to clean but I don't see that as a reason to choose another. The second filter is called a plinth filter and I clean that at the end of the wash day when I get the message to clean it. I rinse it off and leave it to dry until the next day. It's not a big deal. It does not get so hot that I can't touch the clothes, and it does reverse so I'm hard pressed to find a reason not to own one except for cost. If you have to pay that much more to get one in Canada I can understand why you'd choose another.
Years ago we had a vented Bosch AXXIS dryer and I was very happy with it except it was a little on the loud side. It was in a laundry room off the kitchen and I would close the door because every time it stopped to reverse it was noisy in my opinion. |
Post# 1122583 , Reply# 23   7/7/2021 at 08:22 (995 days old) by Logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Between the three, I'd vote for Miele > Bosch > LG. I have one of these cursed Bosch tangle dryers and have not managed to make it tangle clothes. I dried a load of two heavy duvet covers, pillow cases and a fitted sheet without issues. Similarly, a load of one lightweight pillow case, duvet cover and fitted sheet came out perfectly. Not saying it won't tangle - but it hasn't so far.
I have a small bathroom and if I close the door, the room temp will max out at 79F. It's never gotten any hotter. I am diligent about keeping the filters clean, so I can't comment on how the self-cleaning would work under tough usage conditions. I would, however, prefer a dryer with an accessible condenser (Miele), if I had the choice (and Miele dryers weren't so darn expensive). |
Post# 1122611 , Reply# 25   7/7/2021 at 12:37 (995 days old) by Aquarius1984 (Planet earth)   |   | |
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I own and use daily a Bosch serie 8 Heat pump dryer that I’ve had from new and is 5 years old.
The only reason anyone would need to do any cleaning or maintenance cleaning on the self clean condenser is if you don’t follow the instruction book. If it’s installed to drain into your waste system as per instructions then you need never do anything. They block because people who use the water resevoir method, often don’t empty it AT THE END OF EVERY COMPLETE CYCLE - and let it run over into the next cycle. Machine bleeps and it has to be emptied MID cycle and then when the machine calls for this water during the cycle the tank has hardly enough in it to run the self clean. They don’t reverse. They don’t need to. They don’t tangle bedding at all. Drying times of a 22LB wash load spun at 1600rpm takes 90 minutes. Heat pump is the way to go. No fabric damage, 1/4 of the lint produced that normal drying produces. Elastic isn’t damaged. Heavy fabrics dry brilliantly including duvets and comforters. They literally pee all over any conventional dryer including American over sized dryers. |
Post# 1122612 , Reply# 26   7/7/2021 at 12:40 (995 days old) by Aquarius1984 (Planet earth)   |   | |
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Post# 1122622 , Reply# 27   7/7/2021 at 14:48 (995 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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It's the condenser version, but same drum design. |
Post# 1122631 , Reply# 28   7/7/2021 at 16:25 (995 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)   |   | |
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I have a Bosch Series 4 heat pump dryer with a foam rubber mat filter. I wouldn`t trust a self cleaning system because I think organic matter like lint and water just calls for trouble sooner or later.
I have much less problems with tangling or balling up than with my former Electrolux based AEG condenser that made quick reverses every now and then. I`m glad it doesn`t have a window so I can`t get nervous if anything tangles or balls up but I can hear it when it happens. I learned it`s best to be patient and just let it go on and I can tell it almost always manages to untangle things after a while all by itself. Actually I find this two paddle drum set up with this thingy on the back pretty ingenious. To be fair I have to say I don`t have any microfiber sheets and I have the habit to dry linens only to ironing dry then remove the duvet covers and pillow cases to finish them partly folded on a drying rack. This way can I get away without any ironing work. If there are fitted sheets and small items in the load I finish these completely in the dryer. I never use the full rated capacity only fill it approximately one third to half way up with wet clothes that I shook out thoroughly before loading just like I`d do before hanging on a line. It still takes 2 hours for towels and about one and a half for about anything else which might be considered a long time to wait if someone is not not used to a heat pump but I would never go back to a condenser or vented. If the difference in price is not huge I would definitely go with a Miele even if I had to wait a few months longer. Over here the entry level Bosch`s are not expensive, about half the money of a Miele so it was a no brainer for me. |
Post# 1122659 , Reply# 30   7/8/2021 at 06:24 (994 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)   |   | |
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If this Bosch dryer I have doesn't use a heater on the towels cycle how can it be so quick because if I understand what you are saying, Why would it take 2x longer on a cupboard dry cycle when it could be as quick as the towels one ?
So if I go by what you are telling me I may as well use the towels cycle for all cottons and it would be 2x as quick ? Austin |
Post# 1122668 , Reply# 31   7/8/2021 at 07:49 (994 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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Not sure what you are trying to say there. But there is no heater for drying in any BSH heat pump dryer that has ever been build. Take your model number, put it in the spare part ordering tool on the Bosch website and you'll see there is no mention of a heater in any list. |
Post# 1122676 , Reply# 32   7/8/2021 at 09:10 (994 days old) by Logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Trying to come for me using my own videos? The shade of it all!
Well, yes, my pervious Bosch condenser did mess up these paper-thin bed linen. The heat-pump dryer hasn't rolled up anything yet, despite me challenging it. If there is a downside to it, then it's the fact that these Bosch dryers get mighty hot towards the very end of the cycle when you select a high drying level. Didn't Bosch use variable speed heat-pumps at one point? As it stands, it just keeps "heating" continually until the dryness is reached and then shuts off - no cool down. The dryer reached 160F on several occasions towards the end of a Extra Dry cycle. |
Post# 1122679 , Reply# 33   7/8/2021 at 09:49 (994 days old) by Aquarius1984 (Planet earth)   |   | |
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I laughed off the video thing because of the fact it’s a condenser not heat pump. Any number of things from the heat in a condenser could affect the load such as hot sticky fibres helping tangling to form, and how fibres behave In hot temperatures. Static formation is none existent too in this Bosch heat pump. Yet it’s been very evident in Bosch condenser and other conventional dryers too.
I too have not had a single load tangle. Facts. Not assumptions or poor attempts to prove something when that person hasn’t used or owned a product in question for any reasonable amount of time. |
Post# 1122684 , Reply# 35   7/8/2021 at 10:19 (994 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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I have had some tangling issues with my Siemens (Bosch) heatpump dryer. Two single fitted sheets, two pillow covers and two single duvet covers tangled up in one of the fitted sheets. It was quite difficult to untangle the whole bundle. Most of the time the duvet covers and pillow covers are line dried and I put the very thick elastic fitted sheets in the dryer. No tangling issues with that.
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Post# 1122685 , Reply# 36   7/8/2021 at 10:30 (994 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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I don't have much of an issue with tangling in my Miele T1 heat pump. When I do the sheets it's usually a king size flat and fitted sheets and I think six pillow cases. On occasion, this load will tangle into a ball that can be difficult to untangle. It doesn't happen all the time. Not sure why. That's about it. Most other loads are fine. |
Post# 1122715 , Reply# 37   7/8/2021 at 15:38 (994 days old) by Logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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