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Post# 1119582   6/7/2021 at 08:59 (1,025 days old) by canuck (Canada)        

I am debating between a Bosch 300 series condenser dryer and a Miele T1 classic heat pump dryer. I have a vented dryer now but the vent went through the old window pane and we replaced the window so now are looking for a ventless machine. I'm in Canada.

If cost were equal I'd get the Miele. I have a Miele washer and love it.
Bosch 300 $1090
Miele T1 classic $2000

We have a heat pump water heater that cools the large laundry/utility room so the heat emitted from a condenser dryer is not necessarily a big deal. We hang dry a lot but am expecting a 2nd child soon and imagine I will want to use the dryer for convenience more with 2 little ones.

I'm looking for feedback or recommendations regarding the Bosch condenser dryer. I'm confident the Miele would be a great choice but at double the cost I'm not sure it's worth it for a dryer. Any advice is appreciated!






Post# 1119584 , Reply# 1   6/7/2021 at 09:47 (1,025 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Heat pumps

I adore heatpump dryers. They use 70% less energy compared to other dryers, both vented and normal condenser.

The heating of the room is the lesser issue with normal condensers, the temperature inside is a big concern (for me, at least).
Target temperature for Bosch dryers is 85C (thats 185F), the low temp option drops that to 75C (or about 170F).

Great for sanitizing, horrific for a lot of stuff.
There a cycles that go lower, but for large loads cycle times then grow rapidly.
And they just have to run hot to dry efficently - the lower the gradient between inside temperature and room air the slower the drying.

A heatpump dryer never goes over 140F, basically.
I yet have to experience any major shrinking.
Drying results are certainly different - a lot of people aren't used to the feel of cool dry laundry out of a dryer, so might find it usefull to bump up drying level to "feel" the laundry as dry even though it might be just fine otherwise.


If you have a Miele I assume you have 1600rpm spin model?
Then both types of dryers should finish any load in less than 2h, give or take.
Not sure about which variant Miele is using the NA market, but I have the higher efficency version of the two over here and the longest load to dry is my load of underwear and T-Shirts which is comprised of up to 30 T-Shirts plus 2 weeks worth of underwear and that usually is done in 2h give or take.
My towels are often done quicker as they just weigh less and dry pretty fast in the high airflow.

Main downside is filter cleaning as most heatpump dryers have some more filters, though some have unified the filters into one unit in the door area (quite a nice design, though there is debate on if that makes the heat exchanger block quicker).




Samsung CA offers an HP dryer for a litte more than the Bosch, Costco CA has it listed for 1150:
www.costco.ca/samsung-4.0...
Quality is quality there, but surely worth a look - as it is basically a carbon copy of an EU design I can tell you that while not exceedingly durable, their dryers are not terrible like some people describe the US machines.

Not sure if you are limited space wise, but Whirlpool has a full size ventless heatpump on offer for about 1600$.
Main issue with compact dryers is that they really are small, even when paired with a compact washer. Sheets tend to tangle and creasing will be increased.
So having that additional space in the drum (almost twice the size, basically) will certainly help with results.
And it has the HybridCare system which can boost drying speed in tradeoff for efficency - but in general it won't be much fast even though it is larger.
wagnerappliances.ca/products/whi...

Just for completness I'd mention that Whirlpool has an HP compact dryer aswell priced las low as 800$ at Lowes.
My family actually owns one of that design over here and we are generally quite happy with it.
It isn't a particulary fast design, not generally the best performer (tangeling, as often common). The filter is quite annoying and needs changing once a year with our use as it's plugged and starting to fall apart, but a new sponge is a fiver and that's that.
I'd go with the Samsung instead, much more user friendly, though, and quality is on par if not better with it.
www.whirlpool.ca/en_ca/la...


Unfortunaltley there appears to be no Arcrelik sourced brand in CA yet.
USA has gotten Blomberg and Beko - their main brand sover here - and their HP dryers are pretty good price/performance wise.
Can tangle aswell, but dry much nicer than the WP ones in my opinion and are a breeze with maintenance.





So, yes, TL:DR:
Before spending the 1100$ on a Bosch condenser that does not reverse tumble, get a cheap HP from Samsung or such.


Post# 1119603 , Reply# 2   6/7/2021 at 15:09 (1,025 days old) by canuck (Canada)        

Thanks for your informative reply! I have a Miele washer that spins at 1500rpm (W1753 purchased last summer). It's a 240V machine but I have a Miele splitter for my one 240V plug. I should have mentioned that I also need the dryer to be a max of 15 amps for me to be able to run it on the splitter and use the washer and dryer at the same time. The Miele heat pump dryer actually uses a standard 120V plug so that's not an issue.

The Bosch uses 317kwh/year vs. 125kwh/year per the government energy star testing. The cost difference is about $20/year in electricity so not enough to justify the Miele alone. I appreciate your point about the drying temperatures of the Bosch. I could not find this information online and was under the impression that the Bosch also dries gentler than a standard dryer but those temperatures are pretty hot, especially the "low temp" option!

I have looked at the HP dryer options you provided that are available in Canada. I am very against Samsung due to the poor reliability of their washer/dryers in NA. The Whirlpool is an interesting option but it has a fair number of reviews of people who have had an early failure of the machine - something I don't want to have to deal with.

We do have a Blomberg HP dryer here but it sells for $1950 which is basically the same as the Miele so in that case I'd rather get a Miele. :)

I was hoping the Bosch would be good enough for my use but I'm a bit worried about the high drying temperatures.



Post# 1119612 , Reply# 3   6/7/2021 at 17:42 (1,024 days old) by aamassther (Hendersonville, NC )        
T1 hands down

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We have a Miele Little Giant condenser dryer and the T1 heat pump dryer. Bought the heat pump b/c the condenser was taking too long to dry. I figured that with the speed of my Little Giant washer, I could have 2 dryers going at once. Well, i was wrong, the T1 dry time matches the LiGi times. I don’t use the condenser much anymore.
Other things to consider- I’ve found that the condenser runs hot, even on half heat. I was shrinking a lot of shirts. the heat pump is much more gentle, even though its dry time is faster.
The heat pump is much easier to maintain. Just the plinth filter to rinse out, instead of all the lint in the air path plus rinsing the condenser unit and wiping the area out around it.
I prefer, though, sheets dried in the condenser to the t1, same sheets softer and much less wrinkled.
Also, heat pump is cheaper to run. Our power bill went down.


Post# 1119718 , Reply# 4   6/9/2021 at 03:33 (1,023 days old) by stevefromsydney (London)        

Heat pump all the way. I've had an AEG heat pump dryer for a few years now and love how it dries almost anything without shrinkage. Dries fast as well. I recently moved into a new house and although I bought my AEG washer and Dryer with me the old owners left a brand new Bosch Heat Pump dryer ( and a Bosch washer ) in situ in the laundry room.

I thought I would keep them in place and use them. I ran a few washes through them and promptly disconnected them and replaced them with my AEG's.

The dryer runs so hot. If I opened the door to check the clothes through the cycle I usually had to drop the clothes on the floor and wait for the stream to vanish as they felt scolding hot. T.shirts have been noticeably shrunk. Bedding was thrown into such a tight ball. I gave up after three attempts and hung the sheets over the doors to dry.


Post# 1119722 , Reply# 5   6/9/2021 at 05:35 (1,023 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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Why not save your money and keep using your current dryer that works great ?

 

Yes I get that you don't want to cut through your new window, but in cooler weather you can vent inside by building a very good filter box with a high quality pleated filter and filter out nearly all dust and lint.

 

And if you want to use the dryer much in warm or hot weather you can use a flexible temporary vent hose that can be positioned through an open window with a window plate to fill the space around the vent hose.

 

As to the best ventless dryer currently available I would get the full sized WP Heat-Pump Hybrid the other dryers are just too small and slow if you do much laundry or want to dry large things like queen and king sized comforters for example.

 

John L.


Post# 1119731 , Reply# 6   6/9/2021 at 08:31 (1,023 days old) by canuck (Canada)        

Thanks for all of the replies!

aamassther - your direct experience with Miele condenser vs. heat pump dryers is very useful and pushes me towards the heat pump

stevefromsydney - I wonder why your Bosch heat pump gets so hot? From what I understand the Miele doesn't get very hot. Fingers crossed!

John L. - This is an interesting suggestion. I have been hang drying since March and using the current dryer with the vent out the opened window for towels only since they feel like cardboard when line dried. My dryer uses >15amps to run so I can't run the washer and dryer at the same time. I would like this option for the long term future. You're the second person to suggest the WP full sized hybrid so I will look into this more.


Post# 1119734 , Reply# 7   6/9/2021 at 09:11 (1,023 days old) by stevefromsydney (London)        

Apologies Canuck, the Bosch that was left here was a condenser Dryer, not a heat pump.

Post# 1119802 , Reply# 8   6/9/2021 at 16:52 (1,023 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

I've got all three types in Miele, Vented, Condenser and Heatpump.

I've gradually been selling off my Condenser dryers and keeping the vented and heatpump units.

I've always found the condensers get way to hot, in summer when the ambient temp is above 30C, it can take 3 plus hours to dry, if it ever finishes and the Miele ones at least impart a faint petrochemical smell to the clothes.

On top of that, elastic on briefs wrinkles slightly and knit fabrics shrink a lot more. Using Low Temp makes no difference, things are just less baked.

Maintenance wise, I find the Condensor is more effort to keep clean than the Heatpump. With the condenser, every 3 months or so, you have to remove the condensor (At least with the Miele) and scrub/soak it with a brush. With the T1 Heatpump, you give the secondary filter a quick wipe with a damp cloth to get the bulk off, rinse under running water and your then good to ago again for another 30 or so loads.


Post# 1119834 , Reply# 9   6/9/2021 at 21:30 (1,022 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Been several years on now, and think have only used my AEG Lavatherm condenser dryer a handful of times.

Weather here is increasingly warm and humid, or cool and damp. Neither moves one to add yet more moisture to indoor air by using condenser dryer. So things go into the Whirlpool vented portable

If someone locally is ever letting go of a Miele or other heat pump dryer might be tempted. But something would have to go as don't have room to warehouse another dryer.

People around here either swear by their heat pump dyers, or swear at them.... *LOL*

For many especially in new construction apartments there just isn't any way to have a vented dryer. Thus they're stuck with either condenser or heat pump. Neither dry fast as what most are used to so they cannot do multiple loads per day.

Neighbor rarely uses her Miele heat pump dryer. Just takes wash around to local laundromat and bungs everything into those large dryers. Twenty to thirty minutes or less, she's done...

Don't tumble dry sheets, they are hung up until damp dry enough for ironing. Then either go through one of my rotary irons, or done by hand.

On few occasions did try using Lavatherm for sheets (they were sateen) things bunched up terribly, even with reverse tumbling pattern. Never bothered much afterwards.




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Post# 1120065 , Reply# 10   6/12/2021 at 14:43 (1,020 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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TWB120WP
T1 Classic heat‑pump tumble dryer is $1199 in the States... There is that much of a .. price difference in Canada!?!?!?!?


Post# 1120074 , Reply# 11   6/12/2021 at 16:17 (1,020 days old) by Canuck (Canada)        

I was all ready to place my order for the T1 (TWB120WP) and I learned Miele now charges $650 to deliver to my rural location! I bought a Miele washer less than a year ago delivered to the same house for $120.

Jkbff - I wish I could buy it from the USA as $1200USD is much less than $2000CAD. Tariffs?

Despite all of the useful feedback recommending the heat pump over condenser dryer technology, I might end up with the Bosch condenser…

I saw a new heat pump option available to me in Canada by Insignia (Best Buy store brand) for only $850 but I can’t figure out who it’s made by and it has very few reviews as it’s new. Definitely worried it’s of poor quality at that price…

www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/prod...


Post# 1120084 , Reply# 12   6/12/2021 at 18:17 (1,019 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
That's a Midea design

Very entry level over here.
Performance OK, quality meh, service oh-god-no.
Parts are relatively cheap though!
But still much better than a normal condenser IMO...

Though that being said, the Samsung would still be a better option.
I'd dare to say the compact Samsung machines in NA are 100% the same machines as over here and thus honestly not comparable to what people think of as Samsung.
Again, not Miele, but way better than Midea.




On that note, as you linked bestbuy, they have the Miele at 2k$ aswell.

So they might offer cheaper shipping to your location?
www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/prod...


Post# 1120086 , Reply# 13   6/12/2021 at 18:38 (1,019 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Amandment to that

BestBuys extended warranty plans appear to be priced very reasonably.

That Insignia dryer plus 5 years of coverage comes in at under half the Mieles price.
Can't comment on BestBuys behaviour, but over here in the EU, the store I work at has pretty much the same dryer listed under our store brand and more often than not, if there is a call out on an extended warranty - or even just normal warranty - if there is no fix on the first call, we tend to just swap the machines out.
These machines are so cheap that having a tech come out a second time is just more expensive than just replacing it completely.



Funny story:
A family I had the pleasure to take care of when our store was still opened in December had the entry line washing machine from our store brand that was just 3 months old.

One of the drum paddles broke loose.
Service tech came and condemned the machine for a 3€ part simply because he had ordered the part was ordered before the scheduled appointment but had alead time of 12 weeks.
Him coming back would have been to expensive.

So I had our delivery team collect the machine and set up the new one.
Had to convince THEM to take the new machine as they insisted they would rather just have the 3€ part.
They had a brand new machine, their warranty including extended warranty started from scratch AND since the price of the machine dropped, they got money back.

And the manufacturer (Vestel, in that case) just had us scrap the machine and reimbursed us for the entire cost; yet I would have had 0 chance to get reimbursed if I had ordered the part.
House brands are often so bargain basement that their sometimes spotty quality can become almost an upside.


Post# 1120092 , Reply# 14   6/12/2021 at 19:11 (1,019 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Difference in prices for Miele appliances between Canada and USA probably has something to do with a mix of tariffs and exchange rates.

USD always exchanges for more in Canadian money, while reverse is true otherwise.

That is buying something in Canada with USD is cheaper, but if you buy something in USA and pay with Canadian money it costs more. You see this on sites like fleaPay that do the conversion in prices automatically and show results.

Only way to get a Miele USA appliance up north or vice versa is to find a private buyer who either is selling one, and or go and buy it oneself and bring it back across border.

Each of the Miele North American divisions are technically separate (USA, Mexico and Canada). You cannot even order parts from say Canada and have them shipped to USA or vice versa. One has tried and got the same standard explanation.


Post# 1120093 , Reply# 15   6/12/2021 at 19:16 (1,019 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
"I learned Miele now charges $650 to deliver to my rural

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Miele North America has been undergoing many changes the past year or so. Much of this has to do with a change in management that shook things up. New people were put into key positions and obviously made changes, some good, others not so much depending upon which side of fence one sits.

One can only guess (and hope) increase in delivery charges means your local Miele has upped their game. That is instead of using third party delivery/install people, Miele is using either in house personnel, or at least a better quality of trained third party people.


Post# 1120103 , Reply# 16   6/12/2021 at 20:24 (1,019 days old) by Canuck (Canada)        

Henene4 - thanks for the Insignia brand information! Do you know how many amps the Samsung heat pump dryer draws? The information online states it’s 240v and requires a 30 amp plug but I can’t see a heat pump dryer actually using 30 amps. I’ve read the manual and called Samsung but no luck. The only way I know to find out is to look at the electrical information on the machine. I don’t live near any places that have these on the floor to check. I have to use a Miele splitter due to my 240V washer so the max amps my new dryer can draw is 15 amps per the splitter requirement because I’d like the option to run both the washer and dryer at the same time.



Post# 1120121 , Reply# 17   6/13/2021 at 02:59 (1,019 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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I found this in the manual. 800 Watts @ 240 Volts makes 3.3 Amps.

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Post# 1120129 , Reply# 18   6/13/2021 at 06:15 (1,019 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
Bosch heat pump dryer

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I got a Bosch used and told it was not drying properly, It was the same old story of limescale all over the filter which was preventing air flow and these machines require a lot of air to dry properly so a clean of the filter and seal up of the condenser that previous owner had cut open to clean it even though it was a SELF cleaning condenser !!! Go figure. So after being cleaned and tested it turned out to be one of the best dryers I have used its my 3rd heat pump and although it only goes in one direction it has a Dildo sticking out the back off the drum like the Midea has and sadly it will bunch fitted sheets but if you take them out and reload its very quick at drying, Has a towels cycle which so I am told it gets a little help from a heater and it will dry a load of towels in less than an hour which is most impressive..

Austin


Post# 1120140 , Reply# 19   6/13/2021 at 10:30 (1,019 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
So just going off the top of my head

@ozzie908

Yes, Bosch machines don't reverse. They don't have a heater though.
Main difference would be target temp. Every HP dryer has a cooling fan to manage temps of the heatpump and inside the dryer.
If temperatures go too high, that fan activates and draws air over a small heat exchanger that basically dumps heat into the room. If the fan is off, a little heat is rejected, but the amount is minute.
So Towels on these probably just allows for much higher temperatures



@Cannuck

Your washer will probably draw round about 2.2kW max.
That is about 10A.

A heatpump dryer will never draw more then 800W continously with very few exceptions (some early HP dryers were rated at 1.2kW or such, their Little Giant versions draw 1.44kW max and I think Miele rates their current linup at 1Kw even though they don't run at that level).

Worst case continous draw is round about 650W from what I have seen across the board. So that would be true no matter which current EU design HP dryer you would buy.
Thing is compressor startup. All models I see in the NA market are just normal 1-speed capacitor started things. They can spike really high for a fraction of a second.
I load an 16A circuit with my washer and dryer at once and I have pretty low voltage in my flat (200-210V) and haven't had issues yet.
Given your circuit is rated at 30A probably (it's an old dryer circuit I guees?) you could probably even run 2 HP dryers plus the washer off of that splitter.

So wouldn't worry to much.


Post# 1122530 , Reply# 20   7/6/2021 at 17:07 (996 days old) by canuck (Canada)        

I placed my order for the Miele heat pump dryer and was told the delivery would be in early August which was no problem. Now it's moved back to October or possibly December! I cannot wait until October for delivery so I am starting to look to the other options...

Does anyone have any thoughts or feedback on the LG DLHC1455V heat pump dryer?

The Bosch heat pump dryer (WTW87NH1UC) is also an option but it's so new here that there aren't any reviews yet which makes me nervous for such an expensive machine. I did read the one UK Bosch HP dryer review above which is helpful. I wonder if the machines are the same here in Canada?


Post# 1122532 , Reply# 21   7/6/2021 at 17:25 (995 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Both have self cleaning condenser systems which are a known weak spot on both.

I actually owned the EU version of the LG.
Nice enough machine.
The inverter heat pump is really nice. If you need to get a load done fast, it speeds the cycle up by a couple of minutes without much trade off (energy usage is a little higher; temps to get higher).

Compared to the Bosch it reverses and the third drum paddle helps with bunching issues.
Still not great. But better.

The Bosch does not reverse. Simple heat pump, good enough performer.
If the self cleaning condenser system cloggs up, the Bosch is definitely easier to take care off.

But in the long run, I'd rather have the performance of the LG over the eventual hour safed taking the machine apart.


Post# 1122573 , Reply# 22   7/7/2021 at 03:25 (995 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)        
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I can't speak to the condenser dryer because I have never had one.  I have a Miele T1 heat pump dryer.  I am very happy with the performance.  It dries very well, it doesn't take hours and hours to dry a load and it DOES NOT add hot air to my laundry room.  Every time I have read someone post about concerns that the dryer will make the room too warm I am surprised because that has not happened to me.  We live in the south so I would notice if the dryer was fighting with the A/C.

 

My HP dryer does have more than one filter to clean but I don't see that as a reason to choose another.  The second filter is called a plinth filter and I clean that at the end of the wash day when I get the message to clean it.  I rinse it off and leave it to dry until the next day.  It's not a big deal.  It does not get so hot that I can't touch the clothes, and it does reverse so I'm hard pressed to find a reason not to own one except for cost.  If you have to pay that much more to get one in Canada I can understand why you'd choose another.  

 

Years ago we had a vented Bosch AXXIS dryer and I was very happy with it except it was a little on the loud side.  It was in a laundry room off the kitchen and I would close the door because every time it stopped to reverse it was noisy in my opinion. 


Post# 1122583 , Reply# 23   7/7/2021 at 08:22 (995 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        
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Between the three, I'd vote for Miele > Bosch > LG. I have one of these cursed Bosch tangle dryers and have not managed to make it tangle clothes. I dried a load of two heavy duvet covers, pillow cases and a fitted sheet without issues. Similarly, a load of one lightweight pillow case, duvet cover and fitted sheet came out perfectly. Not saying it won't tangle - but it hasn't so far.

I have a small bathroom and if I close the door, the room temp will max out at 79F. It's never gotten any hotter.

I am diligent about keeping the filters clean, so I can't comment on how the self-cleaning would work under tough usage conditions. I would, however, prefer a dryer with an accessible condenser (Miele), if I had the choice (and Miele dryers weren't so darn expensive).


Post# 1122587 , Reply# 24   7/7/2021 at 09:32 (995 days old) by canuck (Canada)        

Thanks for all of the replies! I would love to get the Miele T1 and have paid for one but if the stock situation remains as it is, I will have to get a different brand since I can't wait until October to get the dryer. I am not a fan of the self-cleaning heat pump technology as it sounds like it requires additional cleaning periodically without the ease of access that one designed for manual cleaning has.

Post# 1122611 , Reply# 25   7/7/2021 at 12:37 (995 days old) by Aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        
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I own and use daily a Bosch serie 8 Heat pump dryer that I’ve had from new and is 5 years old.

The only reason anyone would need to do any cleaning or maintenance cleaning on the self clean condenser is if you don’t follow the instruction book.

If it’s installed to drain into your waste system as per instructions then you need never do anything.

They block because people who use the water resevoir method, often don’t empty it AT THE END OF EVERY COMPLETE CYCLE - and let it run over into the next cycle. Machine bleeps and it has to be emptied MID cycle and then when the machine calls for this water during the cycle the tank has hardly enough in it to run the self clean.


They don’t reverse. They don’t need to. They don’t tangle bedding at all.

Drying times of a 22LB wash load spun at 1600rpm takes 90 minutes.

Heat pump is the way to go. No fabric damage, 1/4 of the lint produced that normal drying produces. Elastic isn’t damaged. Heavy fabrics dry brilliantly including duvets and comforters.

They literally pee all over any conventional dryer including American over sized dryers.




Post# 1122612 , Reply# 26   7/7/2021 at 12:40 (995 days old) by Aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        

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Il add that In the 1500 cycles I’ve probably run in it so far it’s not once needed any maintenance. Zero.

It’s plumbed In to drain itself.



Post# 1122622 , Reply# 27   7/7/2021 at 14:48 (995 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
They don't tangle

It's the condenser version, but same drum design.






Post# 1122631 , Reply# 28   7/7/2021 at 16:25 (995 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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I have a Bosch Series 4 heat pump dryer with a foam rubber mat filter. I wouldn`t trust a self cleaning system because I think organic matter like lint and water just calls for trouble sooner or later.

I have much less problems with tangling or balling up than with my former Electrolux based AEG condenser that made quick reverses every now and then.
I`m glad it doesn`t have a window so I can`t get nervous if anything tangles or balls up but I can hear it when it happens. I learned it`s best to be patient and just let it go on and I can tell it almost always manages to untangle things after a while all by itself. Actually I find this two paddle drum set up with this thingy on the back pretty ingenious.
To be fair I have to say I don`t have any microfiber sheets and I have the habit to dry linens only to ironing dry then remove the duvet covers and pillow cases to finish them partly folded on a drying rack. This way can I get away without any ironing work. If there are fitted sheets and small items in the load I finish these completely in the dryer.

I never use the full rated capacity only fill it approximately one third to half way up with wet clothes that I shook out thoroughly before loading just like I`d do before hanging on a line.
It still takes 2 hours for towels and about one and a half for about anything else which might be considered a long time to wait if someone is not not used to a heat pump but I would never go back to a condenser or vented.

If the difference in price is not huge I would definitely go with a Miele even if I had to wait a few months longer.
Over here the entry level Bosch`s are not expensive, about half the money of a Miele so it was a no brainer for me.



Post# 1122641 , Reply# 29   7/7/2021 at 18:16 (994 days old) by canuck (Canada)        

I looked into the availability of the other heat pump dryers (Bosch, Samsung, LG) in my area and they are all backordered - most until August if you can trust the predictions. Apparently Samsung has been most predictable with deliveries according to the appliance store.

Henene4 - Does the Samsung HP dryer reverse tumble?

I am still holding out hope I can get the Miele T1 but if not it would be good to have a back up option.


Post# 1122659 , Reply# 30   7/8/2021 at 06:24 (994 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
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If this Bosch dryer I have doesn't use a heater on the towels cycle how can it be so quick because if I understand what you are saying, Why would it take 2x longer on a cupboard dry cycle when it could be as quick as the towels one ?

So if I go by what you are telling me I may as well use the towels cycle for all cottons and it would be 2x as quick ?

Austin


Post# 1122668 , Reply# 31   7/8/2021 at 07:49 (994 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
There just is no heater

Not sure what you are trying to say there.
But there is no heater for drying in any BSH heat pump dryer that has ever been build.

Take your model number, put it in the spare part ordering tool on the Bosch website and you'll see there is no mention of a heater in any list.


Post# 1122676 , Reply# 32   7/8/2021 at 09:10 (994 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        
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Trying to come for me using my own videos? The shade of it all!

Well, yes, my pervious Bosch condenser did mess up these paper-thin bed linen. The heat-pump dryer hasn't rolled up anything yet, despite me challenging it.

If there is a downside to it, then it's the fact that these Bosch dryers get mighty hot towards the very end of the cycle when you select a high drying level. Didn't Bosch use variable speed heat-pumps at one point? As it stands, it just keeps "heating" continually until the dryness is reached and then shuts off - no cool down. The dryer reached 160F on several occasions towards the end of a Extra Dry cycle.


Post# 1122679 , Reply# 33   7/8/2021 at 09:49 (994 days old) by Aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        
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I laughed off the video thing because of the fact it’s a condenser not heat pump. Any number of things from the heat in a condenser could affect the load such as hot sticky fibres helping tangling to form, and how fibres behave In hot temperatures. Static formation is none existent too in this Bosch heat pump. Yet it’s been very evident in Bosch condenser and other conventional dryers too.

I too have not had a single load tangle. Facts. Not assumptions or poor attempts to prove something when that person hasn’t used or owned a product in question for any reasonable amount of time.


Post# 1122681 , Reply# 34   7/8/2021 at 10:09 (994 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
If a video isn't proof enough

www.bosch-home.co.uk/prod...

First review.
Basically any modern HP dryer has a review with the tangeling issue.

www.bosch-home.co.uk/prod...
Here the current design with inverter motor, if you want to argue that's the issue.

I don't own one, but had the issue in a friend's machine.
We have one set bedding at home that does not tangle, no matter what.

All the others do.




It's one of the things I say over and over.

Any dryer can tangle.
Some worse some less.

Some never have issues.
Some do all the time.

Just something to be aware off.


Post# 1122684 , Reply# 35   7/8/2021 at 10:19 (994 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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I have had some tangling issues with my Siemens (Bosch) heatpump dryer. Two single fitted sheets, two pillow covers and two single duvet covers tangled up in one of the fitted sheets. It was quite difficult to untangle the whole bundle. Most of the time the duvet covers and pillow covers are line dried and I put the very thick elastic fitted sheets in the dryer. No tangling issues with that.

Post# 1122685 , Reply# 36   7/8/2021 at 10:30 (994 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)        
Tangling

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I don't have much of an issue with tangling in my Miele T1 heat pump.  When I do the sheets it's usually a king size flat and fitted sheets and I think six pillow cases.  On occasion, this load will tangle into a ball that can be difficult to untangle.  It doesn't happen all the time.  Not sure why.  That's about it.  Most other loads are fine.


Post# 1122715 , Reply# 37   7/8/2021 at 15:38 (994 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        
Availability

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Just came across a press release on Miele's German website, stating that production of washers and dryers in their German and Czech factories respectively will be drecreased further, as parts (mostly electronics) and becoming more and more scarce.

Post# 1122721 , Reply# 38   7/8/2021 at 17:08 (994 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Its been a 3 to 4 month waiting period here since at least the end of last year. A mate was shopping for new appliances for his new house, and Miele suggested that he needed to plan to order 6 months early.

Other friends ordered a new one in December, the washer arrived in March, the dryer in May.



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