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Post# 1120662 , Reply# 1   6/18/2021 at 07:01 (1,015 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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I yank the restrictors out of everything....
shower heads, faucet aerators, washing machines.... I even take tools when staying at a hotel, remove the shower head and toss that restrictor.... same goes for tempered water valves in showers, pop off that knob and turn the adjustment up.... there may be a need at times for these, but I want it as an option, not purposely installed... |
Post# 1120673 , Reply# 2   6/18/2021 at 08:01 (1,015 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)   |   | |
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Post# 1120680 , Reply# 4   6/18/2021 at 09:36 (1,014 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)   |   | |
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Rain shower head. I left the restrictor in and am very happy with the performance.
I remember reading that President Johnson wanted a powerful shower, he wanted to feel the sting of the water spray. The only way the plumbers/engineers could accomplish this was have a separate water holding tank and a commercial dishwasher pump supply the feed to the shower head. Maybe you could rig something like that to your shower to give you the results you desire. |
Post# 1120681 , Reply# 5   6/18/2021 at 09:59 (1,014 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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Every state should be so lucky to have Gavin Newsom as their governor. He recognizes what the problems are that we are facing and acts accordingly.
This is the worst drought in history for California and we’ll all be lucky if there is still water coming out of the tap in September when we turn it on. Wasting water now because you just have to have torrents of hot water cascading off of your body will only help to make the precious water that we do have run out that much faster. We’ve had a low flow shower head for 20 years and never had a problem getting clean. Futhermore we turn off the water after we’ve wet ourselves down, soap up with the water off then turn the water back on and quickly rinse off.. I spent my teenage years living in a home with a well. I know from experience what its like to turn on the tap and have no water because the holding tank ran dry due to using more water than the pump could keep up with. Quit complaining. If you don’t like California you can always move somewhere else. Eddie |
Post# 1120689 , Reply# 9   6/18/2021 at 11:07 (1,014 days old) by d-jones (Western Pennsylvania (Pittsburgh Area))   |   | |
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California has always had water issues, as has much of the Southwest. What has changed isn't the amount of available water so much as the number of people using it. Populations throughout the Southwest have grown tremendously in the past few decades while the water supply remains essentially the same. It's guaranteed to result in shortages. What's needed is an improved system of reservoirs to capture rainwater and melting snow from the mountains. As things stand now far too much of it simply flows out to sea. But even that might not be enough for the current population. There's simply too much demand for too small a supply. Thankfully, having moved to Pittsburgh a few years ago I no longer have to deal with it. We get so much rain here no one even bothers with sprinklers. They aren't needed, and I frequently find myself having to wait for the yard to dry out before I can mow the lawn. |
Post# 1120694 , Reply# 10   6/18/2021 at 11:56 (1,014 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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were installed by our city in our home 12 years ago at no cost to us. They use 1.6 gals per flush and they flush better than the 3.5 gal per flush toilets that were installed when the home was built in 1980.
Once in a Blue Moon will I have to flush the toilet a second time and this is always because I forgot to hold the handle down for a few seconds when flushing solid waste. I have no experience personally with the newer 1.3 gal per flush toilets, but I would expect them to be comparable to the 1.6 gals per flush models. We have two major reservoirs within 30-40 miles from us, Lake Sonoma and Lake Mendocino. Both are at the lowest levels in their history, practically dry. This is due to the increase in population, Climate Change which has ended up in the lowest rainfall for our area since at least ‘76, and maybe even ever. Also, we are a state that has a tremendous agricultural economy. It takes vast amounts of water to grow grapes, lettuce, you name it, if it grows in the soil it needs plenty of irrigation. As far as the water running out to sea, thats why these lakes were formed, to catch and retain as much of the water as possible. But if the Russian River didn’t empty into the Pacific Ocean the river would flood our entire county eventually, its impossible to catch all this water. Lake Sonoma was at capacity in 2019 which was supposed to last for FIVE years. But without normal seasonal amounts of rainfall for the past two years now its practically dry. Yeah, it would be nice to never have to worry about how much water we are using, but that is not reality for California. I can make the necessary sacrifices in order to live in one of the most beautiful places in the world. And with Climate Change continuing at breakneck speed its only a matter of time before water shortages come to a home near you too. Eddie This post was last edited 06/18/2021 at 12:16 |
Post# 1120697 , Reply# 12   6/18/2021 at 12:11 (1,014 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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“There are places in San Francisco where apartments installed low volume toilets and the sewers under the streets are almost clogged with poop.”
This isn’t due to low flow toilets, is because people are flushing wet wipes down the toilets and these don’t decompose, but rather sit in the sewers and treatment plants with all the human waste. There have been several news reports on this problem in several localities. It requires the sewer workers to get down into the sewers and manually remove all these clogging wet wipes. What a terrible job assignment! Eddie |
Post# 1120706 , Reply# 14   6/18/2021 at 14:10 (1,014 days old) by twintubdexter (Palm Springs)   |   | |
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Post# 1120713 , Reply# 16   6/18/2021 at 16:12 (1,014 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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By ridiculous I mean, if the shower is placed fully horizontal, the waterflow is so ridiculous that water will spray through the pinholes LESS THAN HALF INCH. A bit less than half of the pinholes won't even work because there's not enough flow. I'm super hairy, rinse off the lather off my body is a pain with a squirt bottle. And the shower head is LESS than a squirt bottle. |
Post# 1120715 , Reply# 18   6/18/2021 at 16:31 (1,014 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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its an Eco Spa with 2.5 gals flow per min. I purchased it at Lowe’s about 6 years ago. Its excellent, gives out plenty of water. I’m pretty hairy and still have a full head of hair and it rinses me off quickly. It also helps to have a hand held shower head so you can reach all areas of your body easily. It definately doesn’t dribble.
There is a little build up of minerals on it right now, I need to polish it with some vinegar again. In 6 years of use I’ve only needed to clean out the holes with a needle twice. It’s the best shower head we’ve ever had. The goose neck extension adds the extra hight my 6’5” husband needs to get under the spray when standing. Eddie CLICK HERE TO GO TO ea56's LINK
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Post# 1120718 , Reply# 19   6/18/2021 at 16:47 (1,014 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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The exaggeration by the OP is off the charts. Get real. Low flow shower heads are completely adequate. And by the way, flow restrictors have been around for a few decades. Long before Gavin Newsom became governor, and any recent regulations occurred before he was elected as well.
I'm certain that there's no limit on how much water you can use in the Mar-A-Lago area. It sounds like the perfect alternative. |
Post# 1120721 , Reply# 20   6/18/2021 at 17:07 (1,014 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Well I'm pretty proud of myself. In the winter time, my monthly usage is between 1000 & 1300 gallons a billing cycle of 4 weeks or so. One of the reasons why I the way way I feel about top loaders. When I had the Lady Shredmore, my winter water consumption was between 3000 & 5000 gallons a month. And my sewar bill reflected that consumption.
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Post# 1120726 , Reply# 22   6/18/2021 at 19:27 (1,014 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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CA is way lower than 2.4 gal with the new standards. If I'm not mistaken, it's 1.2 gal, so half of the rest of the country. 2.4 would be very "decent". |
Post# 1120727 , Reply# 23   6/18/2021 at 19:28 (1,014 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))   |   | |
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They're on to y'all restrictor violators.
New Delta kitchen faucet, the restriction is inside the swing arm, not the aerator where you could get at it.
Gee, why not just make aquarium air hose the new code for water? Here, more water evaporates from landscaping than any other use. That flow is restricted alright, down to one inch per valve times as many valves as you want. But I'm supposed to make do with little needles coming out of my showerhead.
You know who does NOT have flow restrictors? Nestle and Cocacola, sucking water out of aquifers as fast as they can put it in little/litter bottles. Gasp, wouldn't want to interfere with free trade, would we? |
Post# 1120733 , Reply# 24   6/18/2021 at 21:23 (1,014 days old) by sfh074 ( )   |   | |
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Add to the chart .... 2018 CA = 1.8 gpm
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Post# 1120737 , Reply# 26   6/18/2021 at 22:31 (1,014 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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I've lived in California since 1963, but the flow restrictions didn't seem to become common until the 1980's. I routinely pluck the restrictors out of any new plumbing. I feel somewhat justified in this in that my daily water usage is about 2/3 of average. And some of that has to do with this property having a non-potable well that I use to water the garden and lawn.
IMHO the biggest advance in home plumbing came around with the detachable shower heads at the end of a hose. I will not explain here how useful those are. |
Post# 1120741 , Reply# 27   6/19/2021 at 00:50 (1,014 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)   |   | |
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Any new showerheads I buy get a date with my drill press! |
Post# 1120757 , Reply# 28   6/19/2021 at 06:49 (1,014 days old) by polkanut (Wausau, WI )   |   | |
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Post# 1120758 , Reply# 29   6/19/2021 at 07:21 (1,014 days old) by WhiteWhiskers (Silicon Valley, California)   |   | |
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Over 30 years ago I vacationed in Santa Barbara, staying at the Santa Barbara Inn. The shower heads at the hotel were beyond low flow. What came out was more like a mist, no doubt because the main source of water was from a desalination plant.
Thomas Ortega: My advice for you is to get rid of the shower head entirely and have the bare pipe coming out of the wall give you the flow and Hollywood bathing experience you so desperately desire. And then at election time you vote for Caitlyn Jenner, who like the previous POTUS (promised) will solve all your problems :-) |
Post# 1120768 , Reply# 32   6/19/2021 at 09:18 (1,014 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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Post# 1120787 , Reply# 34   6/19/2021 at 14:43 (1,013 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))   |   | |
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Skuze me for pointing out that California does not have a water shortage. California has a shortage of effing SENSE.
80% of available water goes to agriculture which makes up 3% of the state's economy. Growing things like almonds, which are 'nice' but nobody "needs" them, and they take NINETEEN HUNDRED GALLONS of water to grow ONE POUND of nuts.
Oh, and if you get teary-eyed thinking of mom & pop farmers out of water, save your lacrimation for the geraniums. More than 80% of California agriculture is corporate AND subsidized on top of that.
I loved every minute I lived in California, both north and south. Except for the occasional traffic jam spanning the entire horizon in every direction. But most of the desperation they claim is of their own doing. |
Post# 1120789 , Reply# 35   6/19/2021 at 15:22 (1,013 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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but I watched Bill Maher last night too and your post is almost verbatim from his mouth. It may or may not be true that California’s agriculture is only 3% of our economy. But it also provides thousands of jobs and food for not just Californian’s but people across the nation and the world.
So we should just let all the farms dry up and go fallow? I don’t think so. I’m a Native Californian and we DO have a water shortage, regardless of what Bill Maher says. I used to really like him, now his devils advocate bullshit just irritates me and I’m probably not going to watch him anymore. This has been coming for me for a long time now and his rant last night sealed the deal. And as far as water misuse is concerned, I notice he had nothing to say about all the billions of gallons of Northern California water that is diverted to Southern California for their millions of swimming pools. These swimming pools should go dry before allowing farms to go fallow. And the same goes for the lawns on golf courses and mansions. If I have to let the lawns of my HOA go brown then so can the lawns of the wealthy go brown too. I’ll bet Bill Maher is irrigating his landscaping and if he has a pool, which I imagine he does, that sucker is being topped off regularly too. No matter how you cut it THERE IS a shortage of water in California, PERIOD! Eddie This post was last edited 06/19/2021 at 15:57 |
Post# 1120809 , Reply# 37   6/19/2021 at 20:50 (1,013 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))   |   | |
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Yes, the Maher show is the statistic source.
Not "period". No issue of this scope and depth is "period". There is a shortage compared to what the state is accustomed to miss-allocating before the climate trend changed. And it's still miss-allocated despite the intrusion of spit showers. That is to say, spit showers are bureaucratic window dressing that do next to nothing about the problem.
Jobs schmobs. 3% of economic product does in no way justify 80% of a dwindling resource that is the basis of life. Growing water-intensive ag like almonds and rice in a desert is a bad idea. No matter that it was established in a different climatological age. You CAN put a "period" after that if you want.
You do know where LA's water comes from, right? Down an enormous open-air sluice running half the length of the state. Through the high desert (Palmdale-Lancaster) where [how much?] evaporates into single-digit-dewpoint air. I've been there too. How much evaporates? More than how much evaporates from pools, since the formula is rate times surface area. And yes, Maher's house is lushly landscaped. That may have to change as well.
This isn't a fight between you and me, Eddie. I have zero to say about what ultimately happens and you have about one ten-millionth more than I do. We're both in the same piranha tank when it comes to electric, and neither of us has anything to say about that either. Where is the 36-point shrug smiley when we need it? |
Post# 1120810 , Reply# 38   6/19/2021 at 21:29 (1,013 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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Post# 1120816 , Reply# 39   6/19/2021 at 21:58 (1,013 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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Rick, I had no intention to cause a war between you and I on this or any other topic. I can agree to disagree. I disagreed with Bill Maher’s comments last night and I recognized them in your post. And I have every right to voice my opinion as you do yours. Lets leave it at that.
I live here and see everyday how the lack of rain for the last two years has had a very detrimental effect on my county and state. Agriculture is a big part of the economy in my area, wineries, pot farms and dairy ranches in particular. I don’t claim to be an expert, but I do know when there isn’t enough of a resource to fulfill the needs of the area. Eddie |
Post# 1120818 , Reply# 40   6/19/2021 at 22:39 (1,013 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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I went to school in the Sacramento Valley in the 70's and at that time there were huge flooded fields on either side of HWY 80. I found out those are for growing rice. I have no idea if rice is still being grown there, but WTF, the proper spot to grow rice is in the Southeast where's there's plenty of rain and water. I suspect the California rice fields are a major, if not the major, waste of agricultural water.
In terms of governance, I suspect California is not worse than most of the other states in the nation. And probably much better than some when it comes to corruption and waste. I won't say which, not here. |
Post# 1120827 , Reply# 41   6/19/2021 at 23:52 (1,013 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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Heres the CalRice website link. Rice production in California provides 25,000 jobs and 5 billion dollars to the economy. It’s the second largest producer of rice in the United States and its Mediterranean climate is uniquely suited to the growing of rice according to Wikipedia. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_produ....
The water from the flooded fields eventually goes back into the water table. People have to eat don’t they? Eddie CLICK HERE TO GO TO ea56's LINK |
Post# 1120828 , Reply# 42   6/19/2021 at 23:53 (1,013 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)   |   | |
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PLENTY of water out in Eastern NC-In fact we are under a tropical storm warning for Claudette.Supposed to get several inches of rain!My yard will be a swamp!Drainage ditches will be full-possibly flowing onto the roads.Should be a wet ride to work tomorrow night! |
Post# 1121161 , Reply# 43   6/23/2021 at 16:51 (1,009 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)   |   | |
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for an end to subsidized wasteful ditch irrigation and ubiquitous and frivolous pools and fountains in places like CA and AZ, and aquifer depleting center-pivot irrigation in parts of states like Colorado, Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Kansas. Ag production requiring dependable water should be concentrated in states with decent natural rainfall. Locating 5000 cow dairies and alfalfa, sugar beet, and other water-intensive crop production in dry states with chronic water shortages is beyond absurd, that type of Ag production should be centered in the Northeast, Eastern Midwest, and Mid-Atlantic where irrigation is not typically necessary, it's just common sense.
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Post# 1121556 , Reply# 45   6/27/2021 at 20:48 (1,005 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))   |   | |
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Speaking of the Maher show, he's no saint of rectitude. IOW, he's not always right despite his fervent wish to be considered so.
This week he railed on web media for deleting certain references to ivermectin (drug), which he seems to think he needs to know something about. I wondered what the hell he was talking about. My memory of ivermectin was it's something ranchers shoot up a cow's butt to kill worms. And it is. [Don't ask what the hell triggers my memory of such things; it just does.]
It's also something you don't give collies or turtles, it kills them. In humans and most vertebrates, doses on the microgram/kg level won't pass the blood-brain barrier in sufficient quantity to do bad things. Some nutbags from the hydroxychloroquine school of internet miracle cures were gaining traction with ivermectin as a treatment for covid.
It was these latter references that were excised from major web portals as misinformation. Ivermectin in a dish kills [or at least disables] covid. The safety of passing it out broadly to humans is deeply in question. Just what Maher thought he was going to do with any data on ivermectin which he was denied, is also deeply in question. As is bringing it up in the first place, with no background whatsoever.
Here's the wiki; relatively short and non-technical. Since I brought it up with scant background, one might otherwise think I'm coming down with Maheritis. I don't think so, but that's not a medical assessment.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivermectin... |
Post# 1121583 , Reply# 46   6/28/2021 at 03:05 (1,005 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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@arbilab What does it have to do with showers? |
Post# 1121606 , Reply# 47   6/28/2021 at 11:57 (1,004 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))   |   | |
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Maher's take on Calif water runs several frames in the 30s.
I ran with his POV, but I don't always.
The thread had gone dormant anyway.
Ivermectin also kills pedicules. Which are not little feet, except in the sense they are. This post was last edited 06/28/2021 at 12:34 |
Post# 1121638 , Reply# 48   6/28/2021 at 17:18 (1,004 days old) by sarahperdue (Alabama)   |   | |
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Devices need to have a good balance between water conservation and doing a satisfactory job. I get a more complete flush when I dump 2 quarts of water from a pitcher into my toilet bowl than any tank toilet. Could a toilet be redesigned to deliver a powerful flush with such a small amount of water? Could that gravity assist design used in early high-tank toilets be adapted to make low water usage modern toilets?
California has both a water shortage and a water mismanagement issue. It seems like piped instead irrigation, restricting or prohibiting water fountains, enclosing pools, planting and using drought resistant natural landscaping could all reduce water usage. It seems like the water costs less than it should. Do agricultural operations receive hefty subsidies? If the cost of water accurately reflected supply and demand wouldn't it be cost prohibitive to grow almonds and rice, have irrigated lawns and outdoor swimming pools, etc.? It's a similar situation in Atlanta. Their population continues to increase despite the inability of the reservoirs to provide for the growth and thus begins the water wars. Georgia begins diverting more than its share of water upstream of Alabama and Florida...you get the picture. So, here in Alabama, we get lots of rain yet, in my lifetime, farms have been dying all over the state. We have water, we have sun, we have a decently long growing season. What kind of subsidies and other economic factors created a situation where the nation's food crops are grown in an area with severe water shortages and shipped across the country while our farmers lose their land or find other ways to earn a living? California may be a great place to grow rice, but so is Louisiana where water is plentiful. So it seems to make sense to move the rice and the 25,000 jobs to Louisiana. That is an oversimplification, but it would solve two California problems: overpopulation and water demand. As with any major industrial change, moving some of the water intensive agriculture to areas where water is more plentiful would be painful but perhaps worth it in the long run. |
Post# 1128834 , Reply# 49   9/16/2021 at 14:27 (924 days old) by WhiteWhiskers (Silicon Valley, California)   |   | |
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Just took a shower with my new Kohler Maxton 1.8GPM shower head purchased from Lowes early this morning. It was wonderful. In no way did I feel deprived. My old Delta shower head was ok. Probably 10 years old. The rubber nozzles were falling apart so it was time for a change.
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Post# 1128839 , Reply# 50   9/16/2021 at 15:31 (924 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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Post# 1128962 , Reply# 51   9/18/2021 at 00:46 (923 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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I am so grateful that the showerheads on my dorm have no loss in pressure. The hot water is plentiful here. I can take a 6 minute shower and be done. |
Post# 1128963 , Reply# 52   9/18/2021 at 01:31 (923 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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I find I usually can figure out a way to remove the flow restrictor from just about any faucet attachment or shower head. For showers, my current favorite is labeled a "Sansu", which I got maybe about 10 years ago. It's a handheld. But of course now I cannot find it on-line. It's a 2.5 gal/min, but I see from searching that now California has reduced the allowable flow to 1.8 or less. Again, I'd just yank the flow restrictor, unless that's been made impossible too. So I guess I'll be hanging onto the one I like for as long as possible. My other shower has an Interbath handheld, which I think is older than the Sansu.
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Post# 1162299 , Reply# 53   10/22/2022 at 22:44 (523 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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Unfortunately, here we are in 2022 and this whole HE nonsense is getting worse. Leave my showers and laundry room alone! |
Post# 1162339 , Reply# 55   10/23/2022 at 16:12 (522 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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Post# 1162343 , Reply# 56   10/23/2022 at 17:14 (522 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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There really isn't a one answer fits all solution to water issues, it's different for each area.
First of all, water is neither created nor destroyed. Yes, if one lives in an area where water is scarce, it's a good idea to conserve. Even in areas where water is plentiful, it doesn't make sense to needlessly be wasteful. I think we all can agree that areas low on water resources should not have building permits issued. Increasing the population in these areas will eventually lead to disasters. Does anybody see this happening? Nope, gotta expand in order to accumulate more taxes. In California, residential users only constitutes for 5% of total water used in that state. False propaganda will have them brainwashed that it's 95% but I'll save everybody my personal rants on the matter. I'm not advocating on needlessly wasting water, just something to keep in mind. Climate change is basically a money laundering scam for the most part, just like most of the wars to keep money rolling into the war machine. The biggest polluters and those that use up the majority of recourses here in the US are the government and corporations....not Joe Sixpack and his family. Again, both of theses institutions heavily propagandize the opposite but I'll just stop here before this gets kicked into the paying forums. |
Post# 1162352 , Reply# 57   10/23/2022 at 19:22 (522 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Post# 1162405 , Reply# 58   10/24/2022 at 14:27 (521 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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Post# 1176030 , Reply# 60   3/25/2023 at 14:44 (369 days old) by mb1974 (pa)   |   | |
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I got the Commando 450 ... just like Kramer on Seinfeld. |
Post# 1176203 , Reply# 62   3/26/2023 at 23:48 (368 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)   |   | |
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I have a similar Speakman showerhead.The so called water saver heads used to have a plastic insert you could take out.Then they went to where you could not take the restrictor out.---Solution used the workplace drill press to drill it out-now a shower worth taking! |
Post# 1176217 , Reply# 63   3/27/2023 at 02:02 (368 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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“We are running out of fresh water”
Huh, doesn’t seem to be a shortage of water after getting nearly 30 trillion gallons of water dumped onto California, there’s even more rain on the way towards the end of the week. Definitely know when the ground is soaked from rain since the septic system is getting full and not because it hasn’t been pumped out or because the leach lines are clogged, it’s because the ground can only absorb so much water before it can’t anymore. Had this happen in January of 2017 since it rained quite a bit around that time as well. |