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Thread Number: 87538
/ Tag: Twin-Tub Washers
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Post# 1120996 6/21/2021 at 21:24 (1,036 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac  (Canberra ACT) |
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Hey guys, show me the semi automatic washers in your collection, I own both a Bosch A500 and nova miniwash | ||
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Post# 1121007 , Reply# 1 6/21/2021 at 23:12 (1,036 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Post# 1121016 , Reply# 3 6/22/2021 at 01:23 (1,036 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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I had to thin the herd when I moved. So I had to give up my semi's.
Your Bosch is a newer version of the Constructa I had. Yours has the softener dispenser. Mine had a button to stop it before the last rinse. Here's a thread about the Constructa. www.automaticwasher.org/c... There are pictures of my Miele 400 in my photo album. www.automaticwasher.org/c... | ||
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Post# 1121048 , Reply# 5 6/22/2021 at 09:10 (1,035 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT) |
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Also one other thing I tried google translating the little text at the bottom but I still don’t understand what it means, It translates to something saying about lye treatment
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Post# 1121050 , Reply# 6 6/22/2021 at 10:21 (1,035 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Yes, Bosch, Constructa and Siemens are all products of the same company, BSH (Bosch Siemens Hausgeräte).
The text at the bottom says that for a double wash (2 x soapy water treatment) the programme dial needs to be put on A and for a single wash on B. There were not that many spin dryers that were big enough to handle a full load from one of those semi's. Siemens and Bosch spinners were all smaller IIRC. But I have missed a model, not sure. Miele used to have a bigger one with a 6kg capacity. That one would probably take a full load from your Bosch. | ||
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Post# 1121068 , Reply# 8 6/22/2021 at 17:52 (1,035 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT) |
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And one other thing What do the two black-and-white pictograms on the Right of the kilogram rating | ||
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Post# 1121083 , Reply# 9 6/22/2021 at 22:26 (1,035 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 1121084 , Reply# 10 6/22/2021 at 22:37 (1,035 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City) |
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Post# 1121085 , Reply# 11 6/22/2021 at 22:39 (1,035 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City) |
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Robert | ||
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Post# 1121086 , Reply# 12 6/22/2021 at 23:00 (1,035 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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"What do the two black-and-white pictograms on the Right of the kilogram rating"
At top of each of those columns are a "square" and "circle" which correspond to something or cycle machine does for selected "Waschprogramm". Where the squares beneath each in column are either filled in (solid black) or left clear (or white) means something is either switched on or off depending upon cycle chosen. Am going to guess the "square" represents internal heater being turned on or off. Say this because going by pictures above machine will heat water for all cycles except "Woll" at 30 degrees C, rinse only and starch only (stärken). Starching in German is called stärken which translates into "strengthen" or "reinforcing" which is what laundry starch does. If you look at first dial with lettering (indicates cycle) you will see for "C", "D" and "E" and perhaps "F" there are areas marked that are either clear (in this case silver since that is background color), or dark (black), which match areas above described. On these older German (and many other European) washing machines you normally had three dials. Programming, Temperature, and Timer/Program Progress Sequence. On this Bosch machine black dial sets temperature. Silver to right controls programming sequence/timer. Dial to left of (first) sets program itself. To keep Madame or anyone else from ruining their woolens or delicate things using too high wash temperature some sort of lock out was usually devised. That or programming guide itself told owners what to do. My older Miele W1070 has similar set up, but notice while one could do Delicates at any temp up to 200F, Woolens is locked out at temps above 100F. www.manualslib.com/manual... Long since largely replaced by modern fully electronic controls these three dial washing machines offered quite a bit of flexibility. | ||
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Post# 1121087 , Reply# 13 6/22/2021 at 23:29 (1,035 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Two of my mother's washing machines had three dials too, a Bosch from 1965 and a Miele from 1976. It makes indeed for very flexible programme setting.
I have given those symbols several thoughts, but all of them don't really fit. The heater coming on doesn't fit the symbols with the woolen programme. The heater would come on in that programme too, the Constructa I had heated the water on that programme. I thought the symbols might have to do with the detergent dispenser, but that doesn't match exactly either because you would still need detergent in the wool wash. the other symbol would be for softener dispenser then. But that explanation doesn't hold up too because wool still needs detergent. Maybe the round symbol is for softener and the rectangular for pre wash detergent? That would match, but I have never seen those symbols without a symbol for the main wash. | ||
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Post# 1121088 , Reply# 14 6/22/2021 at 23:37 (1,035 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Einspülschale
Translates into loosely detergent (waschmittel) dispenser or container.
In many European languages detergent or soap for laundry/cleaning is translated using words that mean "lye". This comes from fact before modern detergents came along lye (either from plant or other sources) was commonly used to clean laundry and everything else. Soap is made from treating fats/oils with lye (or another alkaline substance) as well. Believe "2" is giving directions to put lye/detergent/soap "loose" (verlieren) in wash drum (waschtrommel) and or dispenser (einspülschale). Number "1" gives directions to put lye or whatever products in dispenser (einspülschale). This washer offers a pre-wash for certain cycles. If you chose that option detergent or whatever being used for that cycle goes directly into drum. Product for subsequent main wash cycle goes into dispenser. OTOH if using a wash cycle without pre-wash, product just goes into dispenser. | ||
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Post# 1121090 , Reply# 15 6/22/2021 at 23:48 (1,035 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Yes, but the woolens cycle is only one with "bis" (to) 30 degrees. One takes that to mean tap cold water is possible or otherwise limited heating.
Curtains and "oberbekleidung" (outer garments) cycles when set to "A" will fully heat to 30 degrees. While "Woolens" when programmed to cycle "C" seems may always not. Am guessing like my Miele W1070 it is possible to bypass heating portion of any wash cycle by moving programm sequence dial beyond that point, and also moving temp dial to "off". Even if one doesn't do the former setting temp dail to "O" or tap cold if you will means heater will not engage no matter what thermostat calls. | ||
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Post# 1121095 , Reply# 16 6/23/2021 at 00:37 (1,035 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Did Bosch ever build their own spin driers?
Ones have seen always resemble something built by another company. Much like Thomas Centri spin dryers are sold under various other brand names. Always wanted one of those large Bock or Montex spin dryers. Then read capacity wasn't that much more than my Laundry Alternative (about 10lbs dry weight). What Bock and industrial spin dryers do have in favor is a larger diameter basket which makes for less creased laundry. That and doing heaving thick things like blankets, duvets, pillows, quilts far easier. | ||
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Post# 1121096 , Reply# 17 6/23/2021 at 00:41 (1,035 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Link to thread one did back in 2017 (where does the time go?) showing some vintage German semi automatic units.
Oh if one could only find any today on this side of pond. www.automaticwasher.org/c... | ||
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Post# 1121101 , Reply# 19 6/23/2021 at 06:40 (1,034 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Expert
I contacted the expert about German machines (Progresssauger on youtube).
He gave some interesting information. The Bosch A500 was actually built by Zanker for Bosch. There was a model with spinner too, a twin tub. The round symbol is for the drum and the square one for the detergent dispenser. If you select A for prewash and main wash, you put both detergent on the drum and in the dispenser. Wool gets only one wash, so you put the detergent on top of the drum. For starching and one rinse with softener it was also advised to put the starch or softener in an indentation on top of the drum, so it would be added to the water when the drum would start tumbling. | ||
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Post# 1121105 , Reply# 20 6/23/2021 at 08:05 (1,034 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK) |
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Not mine but belonging to a friend
Adam
If you check out the thread linked below you will see a good selection of Semi-autos from the UK. There are also links to videos on there. I understand that the older Bendix models (the cream ones) are all semi-autos. Both of the Parnalls shown in Reply 14 are semi automatic - Parnall also manufactured the Thor Automagic here although it was still branded as Thor. The Parnalls did not have the dishwasher option that the Automagic had. In their 1960 washing machine test Which tested both the Automagic and a Parnall (the one on the left) and reported that although looking very different they were mechanically almost identical. I dont know how close the two Parnall models are mechanically, the version with the console on the back was the later model - there was also an automatic version of this too. Both Parnalls has a form of suds saving too, the only British manufactured machine to my knowledge to do so. Off on a tangent I have seen advertisments for cookers (ranges) branded as Parnall in Australia although I have never seen the same in th UK. I do not know if they sold washers in Australia. Al CLICK HERE TO GO TO vacbear58's LINK | ||
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Post# 1121211 , Reply# 21 6/24/2021 at 02:05 (1,034 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT) |
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Thanks al I have never heard of that Parnell before But thanks for the thread I do appreciate it | ||
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Post# 1121212 , Reply# 22 6/24/2021 at 02:17 (1,034 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT) |
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Hey Foraloysius Thank you, Would you mind telling progressauger thank you, The model with the spinner is known as the “AS 500”, I’ll keep that in mind as the square for the detergent and the circle for the drum, thanks | ||
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Post# 1121213 , Reply# 23 6/24/2021 at 04:58 (1,034 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 1121227 , Reply# 25 6/24/2021 at 08:37 (1,033 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT) |
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Also by bio Do they mean a bio enzyme detergent As I’ve put most detergents in it and they’ve worked fine | ||
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Post# 1121233 , Reply# 26 6/24/2021 at 09:45 (1,033 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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The BIO refers to the prewash on programmes at 60 degrees C and higher. At that time not all detergents contained enzymes, but there were some dedicated prewash detergent that had. Some washing machines like Indesit had a special bio programme that included a much longer prewash at 40 degrees C or a bit lower to make the enzymes work on the biological stains. Older Miele's had a separate prewash at 60 degrees C or up to 60 degrees C depending on if there was a separate temperature dial.
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Post# 1121246 , Reply# 27 6/24/2021 at 13:23 (1,033 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK) |
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Post# 1121247 , Reply# 28 6/24/2021 at 13:26 (1,033 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK) |
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And speaking of Italy | ||
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Post# 1121252 , Reply# 29 6/24/2021 at 14:16 (1,033 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Alistair | ||
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Post# 1121268 , Reply# 30 6/24/2021 at 16:55 (1,033 days old) by Vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK) |
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Zanussi | ||
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Post# 1121283 , Reply# 31 6/24/2021 at 19:26 (1,033 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT) |
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I wonder if those bio detergents still exist Castor machine: Wow I always wondered if there was a machine like that, that’s pretty awesome | ||
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Post# 1121351 , Reply# 32 6/25/2021 at 10:35 (1,032 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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There are almost no more dedicated pre-wash detergents anymore, but overhere in the Netherlands Biotex is still available. Ariel began as a pre-wash detergent IIRC. Because most detergents are now biological (with enzymes), a separate detergent isn't needed. I still have a package of Biotex for nostalgic reasons. My mother used it now and then on whites in combination with Dixan for the main wash.
The wash action of the Castor reminds me of another machine, I think some kind of South American one. I hadn't known that Castor was part of Zanussi if it wasn't for a Castor on a camping site in Punta Sabbioni near Venice. It was typically a BOL Zanussi. Castor was sold in the NL in the early 60's as one of the first affordable automatics.
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Post# 1121392 , Reply# 33 6/25/2021 at 19:08 (1,032 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT) |
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Oh that’s awesome I didn’t, Oh that’s awesome I didn’t think That they were still made | ||
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Post# 1121398 , Reply# 34 6/25/2021 at 20:15 (1,032 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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European detergents built with oxygen bleach used sodium perborate at first. That substance doesn't really get going until temps reach 140 F or above. Hence pre soaking or washing at cool to warm temperature so "bio" action could take place, this before things went to boil wash temps.
Once bleach activators came along (TAED or NOBS) which offered promise of boil wash results at 140F or even 120F. The former is a bit too high for enzyme activity while even latter can be iffy. Thus you have various "stain" options that will delay heating or hold things at range where enzyme activity will do its best work, then carry on to whatever higher temperature (if chosen). On this side of the pond Biz, Axion, and others all began as enzyme pre soaks. P&G shook things up in 1968 when they launched Tide XK, first enzyme detergent for that top shelf brand. Now you didn't need a presoak or whatever separate enzyme product. OTOH many did and still do swear by Biz. That product began as a bio enzyme soak, but later morphed into an oxygen bleach booster as well. | ||
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