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Thread Number: 87993
/ Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
My new LG 4000 series washer and dryer |
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| Post# 1125703 8/13/2021 at 13:16 (976 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
I just recieved the dryer today and had the washer delivered a few weeks ago. This set was rated well and so far performance wise it is impressive to say the least. This set replaces the Whirlpools that I bought last year. The Whirlpools that I had were sold off to a friend that wanted them. Here are a few pics
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| Post# 1125704 , Reply# 1 8/13/2021 at 13:21 (976 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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These are the Whirlpools that I had. The washer did ok but it had issues with stain removal. I did like the dryer , but , it was a tad noisy compared to the new LG dryer. Whirlpool sadly has cheapened this dryer and they are not as they used to be years ago. .
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Post# 1125705 , Reply# 2 8/13/2021 at 13:33 (976 days old) by appnut  (TX) |
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Congratulations!!! My new DLEX4200 was delivered Tuesday, ordering it 7 days earlier. Thus far I've done a large load of towels, mixed shorts & t-shirts, and bedspread/comforter. Like the dryers very much thus far. I sprung for the pedestal to make it easier for me to retrieve items. I doubt I'll get a pedestal when I have to replace my Duet though. I'm going to give it time to determine if I notice anything special about using Normal with the AI function.
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| Post# 1125706 , Reply# 3 8/13/2021 at 13:53 (976 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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The 4200 is the next model up from the one I got. I did a load of towels and use the Towels cycle. That cycle doe not use the AI system. Only the Normal cycle uses it and that is with Normal dryness level. The AI on the washer is only for the Normal cycle and the Bright Whites cycle. I dont know why they just didn't do all the cycles with AI. I have the washer and dryer connected to the internet using the ThinQ app. That app has come in handy and with it being connected the washer had a firmware update that was done to enhance the cycles.
So far I am quite happy with new LG's. | ||
| Post# 1125707 , Reply# 4 8/13/2021 at 13:56 (976 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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| Post# 1125708 , Reply# 5 8/13/2021 at 15:01 (976 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Post# 1125709 , Reply# 6 8/13/2021 at 15:08 (976 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 1125712 , Reply# 8 8/13/2021 at 15:34 (976 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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One thing I did think about the dumbed down water temps and it has not been an issue since our water in FL is a toasty 86F coming out of the faucet this time of year. To me that is odd since living in Mass our cold water temp got up to maybe 62F in the summer coming from the tap and and a downright chilly 36F in the winter. I have not encountered any issues so far with stain removal. The Bright Whites cycle starts off kinda coolish then the internal water heater kicks on and does a profile wash where the temps will rise and release stains that need a certain temp to release. The thing that kinda surprised me is that the Extra Hot temp is available on the Normal cycle, and this washer is not shy about getting to 150F.
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Post# 1125713 , Reply# 9 8/13/2021 at 16:01 (976 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Trappn & Mike, thank you both for the comments. I realized the AI was locked into med. hi temp. that's actually the same temp as on towels. But I wanted to try it. The comforter was dried on Bedding, which is medium. I haven't worn any of the t-shirts or the wrinkle-free shorts that were dried Tuesday yet to see if anything shrank. One thing I forgot to mention was right after the installers left, I wanted to see just how sensitive the sensor was when empty. After tumbling on heat for two minutes, the dryer went to cool down. And it did that on all the cycles I tried so that I'm pleased with. As with the electronic control Maytag, I could start it empty on normal dry and it would take 10 minutes to get to cool down, very dry was at least 15 minutes. I had hear a long time ago that these modern electronic dryers are sensor controlled when it comes to cool down, it stops when drum temperature reaches at certain temp and stops. Well, things are still quite warm as far as I'm concerned. I will say the cooldown for the load of towels was about 7 to 8 minutes, but it hung on the 1 minute for those extra minutes. Also when it was still drying and was getting ready to change from 6 to 5 minutes, dry time was upped about 15 minutes, but in the end it was sonly about 12 minutes before it went to cool down. As far as I'm concerned, stopping the dryer before the inside is totally cooled down is wasted energy that should be used to finish drying the load. These days since I'm no longer working, I don't have slacks or shirts that have to be hung up out of the dryer. If I did, I'd probably use the app to switch the dryer to air fluff once it reached cool down.
Mike, thanks for letting me know about the temp when using ex hot on Normal. I would imagine it's similar if selected using Heavy Duty. I wish we could find out if on AI wash cycles, if the tumble patterns are impacted if user reduces spin speed from the default of the setting of Whites or Normal. AI is also "present" when selecting rinse & spin. | ||
| Post# 1125723 , Reply# 11 8/13/2021 at 21:44 (976 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington) | ||
answer to tappns question
yes and no. My partner has a set of bamboo sheets also. He follows the directions and washes his in cold.
Now we are discussing LG 4200 washers. SO yes you COULD up the wash temperature if needed. OR you could wash the bamboo sheets in which-ever cycle, choose the COLD WASH option(far right on the control panel) and it will extend the wash time for cold water washing. I have used the COLD WASH many times and like it. Just use a good quality detergent for Cold water laundry. | ||
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Post# 1125728 , Reply# 12 8/13/2021 at 23:34 (976 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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turbowash360 How did you like the turbowash360 option? Did you notice any pressure drop during the normal cycle? | ||
| Post# 1125788 , Reply# 13 8/14/2021 at 16:34 (975 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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I use the TurboWash feature on every cycle. I like the way that it moves the water onto the wash load and the way it utilizes every drop of water. There is no pressure loss with having 4 jets spraying onto the wash load. One thing though, the spray rinse has been reduced...the 3570 washer would spray the load in the final spin for about 45 seconds or so. This washer its less than 10 seconds at most.
As far as washing bamboo sheets in the washer, it can be done, but not on hot. I would do the Cold Wash as well and use the Bedding cycle since that cycle uses the TurboWash system in a way that when the washer stops its tumble the jets kick on and soak the sheets, then the jets stop and the washer tumbles the load. This goes on thru out the cycle. Imagine a soak/drench then agitate sequenced. . It does this even in the rinse cycles. The only thing is that the spin for this cycle is capped at Medium speed at 600 rpms so more water is retained. If one has an issue with that then a Spin Only can be initiated to get more water extracted from the load. The other thing before I forget...the drain pump on this washer is a variable speed pump. It does sense if there is water in the sump and the issue with water surging around the drum during spin is well taken care of. This washer is much more refined than the 3570 washer I had. The dryer so far is vey quiet and fast. Not to mention spot on with sensing the load when its dry. I am very happy with these two. | ||
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Post# 1125789 , Reply# 14 8/14/2021 at 17:21 (975 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Mike, thanks for the confirmation of what I thought I was not imagining--spray rinses weren't as long as they used to be in older models, which is a disappointment. I was actually looking forward to seeing how the variable pump dealt with a long spin spray rinse. I think I would pretty much opt for a 2nd rinse on cotton loads. It's going to take me a few weeks to get several loads under my belt to compare dryer performance with the old DC dryer.
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Post# 1125798 , Reply# 16 8/14/2021 at 19:13 (975 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 1125800 , Reply# 17 8/14/2021 at 19:23 (975 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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I use the accelawash equivalent on my kenmore elite. On the normal cycle, it saturates the load and tumbles simultaneously. It would drop down in pressure with loads of towels and jeans. How did yours do on the default normal cycle? | ||
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Post# 1125801 , Reply# 18 8/14/2021 at 19:27 (975 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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lg pair When my mom got her new lg pair in 2007, I discovered that normal uses medium heat. I was suspicious at first, but have gotten used to it. I use the 41 minute cycle on my kenmore elite, also made by lg. | ||
| Post# 1125802 , Reply# 19 8/14/2021 at 19:38 (975 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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The dryer does not cook clothes or anything for that matter. The dryer uses a variable heating element and I find that it kinda uses the Whirlpool Kenmore soft heat where the temp tapers down as the load dries. If you have a recent LG dryer like mine there is the Energy Saver button and that will drop the air temps down , yet the dryer will run longer to achieve the same result. There are ways to get what you want this dryer to do. You can also use Delicate where the Low temp is selected.
On the washer one can select up to 3 Extra rinses and each of those will do a spin between each rinse with a spray rinse in each of those spins. I find that rinsing is very thorough. Those spins are not low speed either...depending on the load you are doing. The AI works quite well I find in the Normal and Whites cycles. | ||
| Post# 1125904 , Reply# 20 8/16/2021 at 00:31 (974 days old) by trappn (Illinois) | ||
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Appreciate the information. Thanks. | ||
| Post# 1125907 , Reply# 21 8/16/2021 at 03:12 (974 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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| Post# 1126076 , Reply# 22 8/17/2021 at 20:50 (972 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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This washer was well rated by CU and with the dryer in the washer and dryer pairs this set got an 87 and a #2 spot in best overall performance . This set is much more refined than the LG 3570's that I had back in Mass. Wash performance is in a word superb. Rinsing is superb as well and very thorough. I highly recommend these to anyone that is in the market for a new set. The dryer is quiet, fast and accurate. I have been using the Normal cycle for everything since it uses AI and nothing is shrinking so far. One thing that i did notice with the Whirlpool dryer that I had was when the dryer was running I could hear the blower pushing the air thru the exhaust duct. It was a high pitched WHOOOOOOOOOOO so everyone knew in my neighborhood that i was doing laundry. With the LG dryer that noise is gone.
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Post# 1126151 , Reply# 23 8/18/2021 at 14:07 (971 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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highest rated washer and dryer What was the highest rated washer and dryer behind yours? | ||
| Post# 1126157 , Reply# 24 8/18/2021 at 15:17 (971 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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| Post# 1126167 , Reply# 25 8/18/2021 at 18:26 (971 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
 What cycles and temperature options does the internal heater have for the washer? I can't find any of that information on LG's website.
My brother has a plastic fantastic top load GE washer that is dying and not worth repairing. The matching dryer is "eh" at best. He has 3 small active girl's that get dirty so an internal heater is a must. | ||
| Post# 1126191 , Reply# 26 8/18/2021 at 20:28 (971 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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The Normal Cycle one can select from Tap Cold all the way to Extra Hot. If the Extra Hot is selected it will do a profile wash where the water starts off warm and then the heater kicks on to raise the water temp to 150F. To me that is plenty hot and it gives the washer time to release stains that release at certain temps before going to the Max temp. The washer also maintains the water temp if one selects warm so the water does not get cold like it would in an SQ front loader that does not have a water heater. The Allergene Cycle also uses the heater and the Bright Whites cycle uses it as well. One can also select the Steam Option and that will utilize the heater. This washer is very versatile and worth the money I paid for it. This washer has been removing stains that the Whirlpool top loader would leave behind.
This washer is also very quiet as well. And made right here in the USA. | ||
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Post# 1126198 , Reply# 27 8/18/2021 at 22:11 (971 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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In addition to the Normal cycle, steam is an option for Bedding, Whites, Heavy Duty, Allergene, and Sanitize. It is not an option for the Towels cycle, and heater isn't engaged most likely for the towels cycle. The same wash temperature options are available for Heavy Duty cycle also. Mike, I'm assuming the heater is engaged if HOt is selected on Normal to maintain temp too, just curious as to what that temp would be since Extra Hot is 150.
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| Post# 1126231 , Reply# 28 8/19/2021 at 12:40 (970 days old) by Helicaldrive (St. Louis) | ||
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Just curious Didn’t you at one time have both an LG and an Electrolux set, and prefer the Electrolux? If so what led you to go with LG this time around? | ||
| Post# 1126244 , Reply# 29 8/19/2021 at 15:12 (970 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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I did have two sets when I lived in Mass and I did like the Electrolux set very much, but, when I went to order a set of them for my new home here in FL I could not get them. They were backordered and nobody could tell me when I would be able to get them delivered to my home. I was told it could be months and possibly into the new year, maybe. This COVID hell is very real and is a royal pain all around.
So that said, I went with the LG's. I am liking them quite alot , in fact more than the Electroluxs now. | ||
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Post# 1126250 , Reply# 30 8/19/2021 at 15:41 (970 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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blood stains How effective is the washer on blood stains? | ||
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Post# 1126268 , Reply# 31 8/19/2021 at 17:43 (970 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Mike's experience with needing to replace his laundry pair with a new one and not being given any idea as to when new preferred brand/model would be available, is exactly the experience I had when needing to get a new dishwasher last May and the new dryer this month--hence my Bosch dishwasher and LG dryer.
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| Post# 1126285 , Reply# 32 8/19/2021 at 20:28 (970 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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Depending on what you use for a detergent. I use German Persil MegaPearls Universal along with Clorox2 and Borax and a scoop of Charlies Soap Hard Water Booster since the water here is considered hard here in FL. Never had an issue so far where the washer didn't remove a blood stain.
Question I have is why are you asking GEL4? Did you get something bloodied and need to "wash" the evidence? A question like that one posed does make one think ya know... | ||
| Post# 1126475 , Reply# 33 8/21/2021 at 07:50 (969 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Post# 1126490 , Reply# 34 8/21/2021 at 10:45 (968 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 1126491 , Reply# 35 8/21/2021 at 10:53 (968 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas) | ||
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Post# 1126497 , Reply# 36 8/21/2021 at 11:07 (968 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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The motor died. And no, it wasn't a belt breaking. The motor had been making strange noises for the past 5 years when I would start it. Then on a major laundry Sunday, I put a load of 4 pairs of jeans in it, the last load of the day. Pushed start and it struggled to tumble. I removed all articles and just turned it on and it would tumble. So I split the load in half and was able to dry. Did that for a week. And it gradually struggled to tumble and then it just simply stopped tumbling, the motor would attempt to tumble the dryer and just groan. It's the same scenario that happened with my 1986 LK dryer. I later found out from Gansky1 that WP had problems with the model motors they put in their high-end models failing. I found out with the LK I really needed a dryer with a side-swing door. Hence the Maytag, even though it was smaller capacity than the 6.9 cu. ft. LK. The Maytag was a trooper since December 1994 and dealt with Bobloads from a reconditioned Fridgemore front loader I received from a member in 2006 and then the Duet arrived December 2011. In August 2016 I had the dryer looked at and serviced, the guy said he was so impressed how clean it was inside with relatively little lint acccumulation for its age.
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| Post# 1126499 , Reply# 37 8/21/2021 at 11:13 (968 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas) | ||
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| Post# 1126508 , Reply# 38 8/21/2021 at 12:38 (968 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Ahh. I see
I assume since you got that model dryer that it's your plan to eventually get the washer?....but your Duet could last YEARS more. What if, say, you get another 5 years or more out of it...By then, the matching LG to your current dryer may not even be available.
I love my Whirlpool standard dryer that's right at 2 yrs old. But when it's time for a new washer, I'm going to get an LG...I don't care if I can't use AI Little lint build up inside? If that's the case, I'm guessing your dryer vents directly outside with virtually no run...that would be my dream to live in a house where a dryer vents straight out. | ||
| Post# 1126509 , Reply# 39 8/21/2021 at 12:55 (968 days old) by SueDenim (Lincoln, Nebraska) | ||
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How would you rate the noise and vibration level of the washer? | ||
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Post# 1126515 , Reply# 40 8/21/2021 at 13:56 (968 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Mark, my choice was more a function of what was available to be delivered in a week or two where I live. No WP/Maytag front load matching dryers with steam available until possibly October. I've had my 2 matched sets, I don't need to keep up with the jones any more. It's not important to me to have a matched set any more. But I'll evaluate what washer meets my preferences/needs whenever that time comes. And yes, very short dryer vent length.
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| Post# 1126516 , Reply# 41 8/21/2021 at 14:06 (968 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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The noise level on my LG 4000 washer is very quiet. I can hear it when it fills but it doesnt use the "pulse fill" like the 3570 washer did. I had to use water hammer arrestors to keep my toilets and pipes from groaning. I did put water hammer arrestors on this washer since our water pressure here in FL is very high. Washing is quiet as well. One can hear the low hum of the recirculation pump and the clothes tumbling as the washer does its thing. The drain sequence is quiet and the drain pump is variable speed. I can hear it slow down and speed up to get rid of any water in the drum during spin. Its not annoying by any means. Spin is quiet and kinda sound like a UFO taking off...the only way to describe it. Vibration is almost non existent. This washer goes thru its load balancing routine and does its thing. Now I have this washer on a concrete floor. It should do ok on a wooden floor I would think. It won't shake your whole house if that is what you are wondering.
This washer and dryer are very well made and good value for the money I would have to say. Plus LG washers and dryers are always well rated by CU and I can see why ... | ||
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Post# 1126518 , Reply# 42 8/21/2021 at 14:32 (968 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 1126527 , Reply# 43 8/21/2021 at 16:19 (968 days old) by trappn (Illinois) | ||
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Sounds like the 4200 club is growing. | ||
| Post# 1126550 , Reply# 44 8/21/2021 at 21:58 (968 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington) | ||
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| Post# 1126703 , Reply# 46 8/24/2021 at 06:37 (966 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Post# 1126707 , Reply# 47 8/24/2021 at 09:42 (965 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 1126721 , Reply# 48 8/24/2021 at 17:08 (965 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI) |
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| Post# 1126726 , Reply# 49 8/24/2021 at 18:01 (965 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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My LG 3570 washer was made in China. The dryer was made in South Korea. The new 4000 series washer made here in the USA. I think that the US built washer is well made. The dryer as well. My LG dishwasher is made in South Korea as well as my LG fridge. My LG range was made in Mexico , the microwave in China. They are no different than Whirlpool, GE, or Frigidaire Electrolux and Bosch.
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| Post# 1126942 , Reply# 54 8/26/2021 at 20:09 (963 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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Post# 1126946 , Reply# 55 8/26/2021 at 20:49 (963 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Their 10yo LG dryer says Korea (interestingly, doesn't specify North or South) on the model/serial tag. Can't check the side tag on the washer, they're 2hrs 10mins distance.
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| Post# 1126992 , Reply# 56 8/27/2021 at 11:07 (962 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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These are the stickers on my washer and dryer...the first pic is from the dryer, the second from the washer.
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| Post# 1127014 , Reply# 57 8/27/2021 at 14:54 (962 days old) by whatsername (Denver, CO) | ||
 The black steel model with rose gold trim has been great so far. Our criteria for purchasing were:
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| Post# 1127024 , Reply# 58 8/27/2021 at 17:35 (962 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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Post# 1127035 , Reply# 61 8/27/2021 at 19:18 (962 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio) |
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Sorry... Forgot to mention, my machine does NOT engage the heater on the Normal cycle with either warm or hot water selected. Nor does it use the heater on the Whitest Whites cycle. Odd. | ||
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Post# 1127036 , Reply# 62 8/27/2021 at 19:20 (962 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 1127054 , Reply# 63 8/28/2021 at 01:35 (962 days old) by Logixx (Germany) |
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Somebody on YouTube ran a whites cycle in his (older) LG and the hot setting meant 109F. I find it unfortunate that the final temp depends so much on the cycle, load size, inlet temp, soil level and maybe even other factors. These large washers are sold with precise temp control all over the world - just not in North America.
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Post# 1127055 , Reply# 64 8/28/2021 at 01:41 (962 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 1127091 , Reply# 66 8/28/2021 at 12:52 (961 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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Th thing is if one is concerned about the water temp in the Bright Whites cycle, Steam can also be selected. The Bright Whites cycle I use for all white loads and never have an issue with stain removal. I also use German Persil Universal MegaPearls so that alone makes a difference. Tide w/Bleach powder does an amazing job used with this cycle. The other thing is the fact that if one needs to have 150F water temps, the Normal cycle does allow it to happen and will extent the cycle to 1 hour and 40 mins..and the washer gets hot or even the Allergiene cycle does the same.
Most cycles that I use are Normal for darks/colors, Bright Whites for whites and white towels, Towels cycle for Towels....that is the longest cycle I might add...it can extend the cycle time from what it says at sensing to in reality 2+ hours later. I will have to say that when I use the cycle it is the last load of the day for laundry. The wash cycle on that is not long, its the rinsing and spinning that consumes the time. The Bedding cycle...it was called Bulky on the 3570 washer...does quite well, but, extraction is short and so is the spin speed capped at 600 rpms. One can do a Spin Only and get more water out of the load if need be. | ||
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Post# 1127097 , Reply# 67 8/28/2021 at 14:02 (961 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 1127099 , Reply# 68 8/28/2021 at 14:37 (961 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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I agree they are not but on this cycle the washer spins in stages because of the nature of the towels and how water they absorb. Rinsing is very thorough on this cycle as well and I use the TurboWash as well to speed it along. I should have clarified when i made the comment because I have not used Heavy Duty or Allergiene so those cycles may run a tad longer...wont know until I try them.
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Post# 1127102 , Reply# 69 8/28/2021 at 15:18 (961 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Towels is also recommended for jeans/denim. Yes, adding steam most likely engages the heater to heat wash water too. Also an option for bedding. Heavy Duty has the same water temp options as Normal, including extra hot. If max soil is selected, or if the machine senses an unusually large load for HD cycle, it will do some tumble pauses for a couple of minutes at a time according to the user guide. I'd probably use Normal for just about everything to have access to the heater and simply adjust spin speed to suit fabric. Does Towels use additional water?
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| Post# 1127108 , Reply# 70 8/28/2021 at 16:55 (961 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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Methinks so. If you use Turbowash on Bedding, during those soak periods, the recirculation pump runs and throws the water into the load. When tumble begins, the pump stops and the load is power washed. It also happens during the rinse cycles as well. The Towels cycle does the same with the Turbowash option. I use it for every load.
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| Post# 1127119 , Reply# 71 8/28/2021 at 19:49 (961 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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| Post# 1127162 , Reply# 72 8/29/2021 at 10:41 (960 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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If one is wondering how the performance is n the Bright Whites cycle….this is a pic I just took of the load that I freshly washed, dried and folded this morning. …
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| Post# 1127215 , Reply# 73 8/30/2021 at 00:42 (960 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington) | ||
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Bob have you | ||
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| Post# 1127334 , Reply# 76 8/31/2021 at 08:08 (959 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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| Post# 1127363 , Reply# 78 8/31/2021 at 15:07 (958 days old) by trappn (Illinois) | ||
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The ThinQ application has actually proven to be useful. Gives us periodic reports of the state of the washer: Which cycles are being used, whether any excessive vibration has been noted. When it's time to perform a cleaning cycle, etc. | ||
| Post# 1127388 , Reply# 79 8/31/2021 at 21:01 (958 days old) by Egress (Oregon) | ||
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yeah, last winter it complained to us about not getting enough hot water during the clean washer cycle. turns out it was cold enough that we had to run the faucet for a period to make sure the washer got hot water. | ||
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Post# 1131595 , Reply# 80 10/21/2021 at 15:30 (907 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI) |
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| Post# 1131610 , Reply# 81 10/21/2021 at 20:55 (907 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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Good question and I think that I can answer that since I have had some time putting the washer thru he paces here. One thing is that the Normal Cycle is one of the cycles that uses the AI feature. Now I thought that it was just a gimmick but I was wrong, it does indeed work. The Normal cycle allows the Extra Hot wash temp to be used and it changes the cycle depending on what one is washing. I use this cycle for towels and on the Extra Hot temp the washer senses the load and the display will show a 1 hour 35 min for the duration. The wash water temp does in fact get up to a toasty 154F and holds it there for the duration of the wash cycle. Then cold water is added to temper it down. The washer also sense just how much water that the load is absorbing and also adds more spin time between rinses and gives 10 mins for the final spin. I have not used the Steam option since the Extra Hot wash temp in my mind is plenty for what the load would need.
One thing that this washer does during the wash cycle, as the water is heating in the sump of the outer tub, the load will not move, then the jets kick on and throw that heated water on top of the stationary load then after a few seconds it will tumble the load and do it over again until the water temp hits the target temp. One can check what the water temp is by touching the Delay button and then the Temp select button and it will show the water temp in Celsius. The Normal cycle adapts to what ever you are washing and changes up the wash action profile to match the load it is sensing. So far this set is alot of fun to use and the performance has been outstanding. The dryer is very quick in its task of getting the job done and I use the Normal cycle for most loads and I dont have any shrinkage on anything dried in that dryer. | ||
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Post# 1131618 , Reply# 82 10/21/2021 at 22:27 (907 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI) |
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Post# 1131621 , Reply# 83 10/21/2021 at 23:11 (907 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 1131622 , Reply# 84 10/22/2021 at 00:40 (907 days old) by Egress (Oregon) | ||
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Post# 1131626 , Reply# 85 10/22/2021 at 06:18 (907 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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The steam option fills only to cover the heater and then steams before the wash starts. I don't think it has a variable heater per se. It might have 2 heater banks and pulse the heater on/off. Never seen a truly variable heater as in more than 3 power outputs. | ||
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Post# 1131632 , Reply# 86 10/22/2021 at 08:38 (906 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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I'll say it agan
The one thing I still don't like about the dryer is the pathetic cool down. Drying my compression stockings on Ultra Delicate, the cool down phase was actually shortened by 2 minutes. I did a BobLoad of towels last week on Towels and the cool down was extended 9 minutes (while watching the app on my phone) before it shut off. Once it did, I started the dryer on air fluff and let it run for 30 minutes. Used the residual heat to take care of any possible damp spots in the load. I've also gotten used to selecting the cycle that has the specific temperature I want to dry a load on rather than actually selecting the specific temperature I'd prefer. Perm Press and Bedding both use medium, but Bedding dries the load almost bone dry before it begins cool down. Same with Towels vs. Normal--both cycles using medium high.
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| Post# 1131640 , Reply# 88 10/22/2021 at 11:14 (906 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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I find that as the the load dries on the Normal cycle that the dryer throttles back the heat so that that nothing gets fried out much like the Soft Heat/ Gentle Heat feature that Whirlpool dryers have. If one is concerned about the heat then one can use the Energy Saver button and that will drop temps even further, but the heat does not kick on until a set period of time once the dryer is started. That will extend the drying cycle. I used it once and once was enough for me.
The Steam feature on the washer will extend the cycle depending on load size it can add a cool 35 to 40+ mins to a wash cycle. Now steam in a dryer is helpful if one does not want to iron or they want to refresh a load that was forgotten for a few days on the dryer...that never happens here since I am on top of it on laundry day. The cool down on a cycle is very dependent on room temp that the dryer is in. If the dryer is outside like mine is in my laundry shed and if the air temp is a toasty lets say 90F, the dryer will take longer to cool down a load to get to where the dryer thinks its good to shut off. I have seen the dryer hit the one min mark and not shut off for another 5 mins. But, with the cooler weather here and I did laundry yesterday, the dryer had no issues with holding at the one minute mark. Getting back to the Steam Feature for the washer, in my opinion , its kinda useless unless you need to sanitize something. As far as stain loosening I would think that it would not do much. I normally will pretreat a stain and let the washer get on with the wash process, but that is me. | ||
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Post# 1131645 , Reply# 89 10/22/2021 at 12:02 (906 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Mike, thank you. After I downloaded the app, I wanted to try the remote start feature. It was a load of towels and defaulted to Normal. With the app, you cannot cancel the energy saver option. And I knew it would tumble in room temp air for a while before heat turned on. All said and done, that load of towels took almost 2.5 hours. I obsrved the sensor adding time to the cycle twice to gt the towels dry, thus the very cycle. So, no more remote start for me. But I like the app so that I can keep track of how each load ends up adding or reducing cycle time. Plu I downloaded the Ultra Delicate cycle.
I've gotten spoiled with the Duet not having to go through the process of huting for and treating stains. With both the F Flo and the LK toploaders, I'd spend marahon laundry days with the time each wash cycle took, going through the pile for the next load hunting down and treating stains. And the subsequent Fridgemore wasn't much of an improvement either. The Duet became a Freemom Maker with not having to tie myself up to hunting/treating stains. I could do other things while loads being washed. So for difficult stained loads with an LG, I just use the prewash and then select hot or extra hot wash temps on Normal to give me an even better profile wash. Hence my disdain for topoaders that don't deal well with stains and requiring front loaders to include onboard heating. Also, I haven't had an indicator from the app that I needed to download updated software for the dryer. | ||
| Post# 1131683 , Reply# 92 10/23/2021 at 00:53 (906 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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are sort of unexciting appliances - like a refrigerator or an oven (for me, anyway).. The action is in the clothes washers and dishwashers.. But I guess you could LOVE a dryer/refrigerator/oven if they perform well.
I hope to have an LG turbo wash when/if my Duet ever dies....But whirlpool classic dryers are my favorite. | ||
| Post# 1131694 , Reply# 93 10/23/2021 at 10:56 (905 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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That LG TurboWash feature that my washer has is quite effective I must say. The 3570 washer that I had only used two jets at the 4 and 8 o'clock positions and it was effective. But the 4000 washer that i have now has the TurboWash 360 and it uses two additional jets at the 10 and 2 O'clock positions and if the load is big the lower jets can sometimes get drowned out, but the top jets throw quite a bit of water on the load all the way to the back of the drum. and
I agree that dryers can be kinda boring but the LG dryer does the job well and is very well made I might add. the Whirlpool dryer that I had for a year, the drum itself was out of round so when a load was drying in would thump and the dryer was much louder than the LG. The Whirlpool dryer was not as sensitive as the LG dryer with the sensor drying. If the LG dryer senses that the load is already dry or that there is nothing in the dryer it will shut off within 5 mins...the Whirlpool, not so much. The LG dryer is much faster drying a load...think Maytag Stream of Heat ...the original design where the opening was in the upper right corner of the drum, before Maytag put the opening in the upper center of the drum. Plus the LG moves quite a bit of air thru that drum at 220 cfms... | ||
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Post# 1131704 , Reply# 94 10/23/2021 at 15:23 (905 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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220 cfm I still highly doubt that number. That would mean the whole drum volume would be exchanged every 2 seconds. Further, some rough back of the napkin math leeds me to believe that would mean the 5kW heater could only raise the air temperature by not even 40C. I know I read some service literature somewhere that sad that. But still don't trust it. | ||
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Post# 1131705 , Reply# 95 10/23/2021 at 15:26 (905 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 1131713 , Reply# 96 10/23/2021 at 17:22 (905 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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The majority of the dryers here in North America are vented dryers, not heat pump or condenser dryers like what is available on the other side of the pond. Those dryers are also much smaller drum wise. Miele compact dryers come in at a cool 4.6 cuft if that and the mega Miele dryer was just 6.2 cuft and that dryer was pulling up to 275 cu ft of air a minute and that dryer had a hard time drying a load no matter what was dried in it and the load had to be spun at 1000+ rpms in the washer. I did an experiment once and used my Maytag 613 washer that spun the load at 618 rpms....the load was tossed into the Miele T9800 dryer and took well over 2.5 hours to dry.
Anyways, the LG dryer has this neat feature where I can turn the drum light on when the cycle starts and I can see the load billow open with sheets , T-shirts and other items when the load is being tossed into the airstream. I have seen dryer sheets ride the airstream on small loads, so yes i do believe the 220 cfm specs. The heater for this dryer is in a tube at the base of the dryer on the right side so there is plenty of time in the tube to raise the air temp... | ||
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Post# 1131772 , Reply# 98 10/24/2021 at 07:17 (905 days old) by Logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 1133239 , Reply# 101 11/11/2021 at 13:17 (886 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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As of this morning, I have completed the adoptiion of the other child, an LG WM4200. The Duet began developing the problem where it had extreme difficulty balancing and wouldn't go above medium spin speed at best. And this was even when it was completely empty several times. I've seen this problem mentionned several times and at age 10 years, I wasn't sure I could tolerate it. Took 1.75 hours to dry a very large load of towels. And HD had an even lower sale price than the pair did when I bought the dryer in August.
Right now I am having my own wash-in, running several loads of clean old towels. | ||
| Post# 1133293 , Reply# 102 11/11/2021 at 21:59 (886 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington) | ||
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Post# 1133296 , Reply# 103 11/12/2021 at 00:28 (886 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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Post# 1133300 , Reply# 104 11/12/2021 at 05:12 (886 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 1133331 , Reply# 105 11/12/2021 at 12:32 (885 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Post# 1133345 , Reply# 106 11/12/2021 at 13:44 (885 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 1133346 , Reply# 107 11/12/2021 at 14:03 (885 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Well let me sum up my day yesterday. I'm over the moon. A former member and I have been emailing off and on since 2009. He knows how fascinated with cycles and how things progress. He shared with me some intricasies of his WM4500. What I learned from him is with these LG's you can start a cycle and have it do something you want and then pause it, chaange to another cycle or even modify/change wash temperatures, number of extra rinses, soil levels. Contrary to my Duet, chnging cycles doesn't cause water to drain out and cancel the cycle. Let me say, firstly I wasn't too thrilled about water temps for Normal cycle has Warm wash being 86F degrees and hot being round 95F to 100F degrees. Other cycles, target temps for warm is 90F and hot is 113F. 113 for hot is pathetic. But now, I can start out the cycle for extra hot temp and monitor temp with the delay wash & then temp button to show temp in C. I did this yesterday. I can also set up an actual true profile wash. fill with cold or col water and let it tumble for about 10 or 15 minutes with heavy soil on Normal. Then switch to extra hot so it begans heating. And when it reaches the temperature I want, then change the cycle to Whites, Towels, Perm Press, ... Yesteerday when I watched heating starting on Extra hot, I let it go through the whole cycyel. I maxed out all optionns. Starting time was 2:51. At 1:30 the wash cycle finished Temp reached a peak of 156F. I'm still wnting to experiment and see how hot temp will geet with light soil level. I'm so thrilled to have this control that's similar to the Duet's ability to select Steam for Stains and it fills with warm water and heat with the heater heating the wash water gradually hot and sanitize levels also in combination with steam. Now I cn be a button pusher again!!!!
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| Post# 1133375 , Reply# 108 11/12/2021 at 17:47 (885 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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| Post# 1133376 , Reply# 109 11/12/2021 at 17:49 (885 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Post# 1133378 , Reply# 110 11/12/2021 at 18:03 (885 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 1133398 , Reply# 111 11/12/2021 at 22:05 (885 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Ya sorry I thought I had read most of this post but scrolled to bottom and missed the post where you said you got a new LG washer....
You seem to like it so far from what I gather. Where did you buy it? Did you buy water hammer arrestors? I ask because since LG's turn water on/off many times I hear you should get them....How do you feel about the cycles you've used so far in comparison with your whirlpool? Unlike you - that would drive me crazy to have to do that to get a profile wash. The hot being only 113 is a bummer......So....say you use Jumpo wash, high spin speed, hottest possible (maybe you can't choose extra hot on that cycle? I don't know) I'm sure I have more questions but I can't think of them ATM | ||
| Post# 1133399 , Reply# 112 11/12/2021 at 22:28 (885 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington) | ||
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I have the same model, and I have hammer arrestors on mine, but the new models don't do the "pulse fill" thats with older models only. The hammer arrestors do help/stop the pipe banging when filling.
There isn't a Jumbo cycle, but there is a "full load wash" in the downloaded cycles which I have used a few times and can choose different options for it. | ||
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Post# 1133400 , Reply# 113 11/12/2021 at 22:36 (885 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Mark, I'm not going to need to do a profile wash daily or weekly. Another approach is to do a cold prewash and then have it followed by Normal cycle with the extra hot water temperature. But I like the flexibility and being in control when I want the machine to do something I want or need it to do. It's nice knowing I'm not locked into a whole cycle from stat to finish. That I can make chnges on the fly so to speak and not cancel a whole cycle in the process. If you haven't figured it out, I love options and flexibility choose how I want loads of clothes or dishes done.
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| Post# 1133401 , Reply# 114 11/12/2021 at 23:17 (885 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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OK....... Say you do a prewash........then pause, turn to normal....what happens? Does it start a normal cycle as if it thinks it's started with a dry load? Also, say you do choose normal, is Extra hot an option that can even used on normal? Or is that restricted to the allergen or sanitary cycles?
Aside from that - how do you like the turbo wash function? Cuz I know you sat in front of it and watched it like I would. lol | ||
| Post# 1133403 , Reply# 115 11/12/2021 at 23:53 (885 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington) | ||
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pre-wash on normal is selected at the beginning of the cycle BEFORE you press start, and can be selected on most cycles. Extra hot is option for normal and a handful of other cycles.
Mark, your really overthinking it waaay too much. It's basic simple operations. Select your cycle, options, press Start! ITs' smarter than you think! it will tell the dryer what cycle to use! GASP!(you have to have the matching dryer for that to happen, just so you know.) any other questions??? | ||
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Post# 1133404 , Reply# 116 11/13/2021 at 00:39 (885 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Mark, I"m not sure I'll ever need/use Sanitary or Allergene cycles. I mean, extra hot and highestt soil level brought wash temperature to 156 degrees farenheit. I think the actual sanitize cycle eaches 160 degrees farenheit and Allergene is like 165 or more with steam injected. One thing I don't like is if you select steam, all soil level optoins are then deemed not available.
Rich, please email me. I have a question I need to ask. Thank you | ||
| Post# 1133416 , Reply# 117 11/13/2021 at 10:03 (884 days old) by IIIJohnnyMacIII (North Carolina) | ||
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Post# 1133429 , Reply# 118 11/13/2021 at 13:10 (884 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 1133435 , Reply# 119 11/13/2021 at 16:37 (884 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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Yes the drum is tilted a bit. The water pools into that back area and the load tends to migrate to that back area for the spin cycle. My 4000 washer uses plastic drum vanes to tumble the load front to back to prevent tangling and it works well. The 3570 washer was a beast tangling long sleeved shirts to the point of almost roping….drove me nuts having to dump the load after the cycle was done into a basket to untangle the load before hitting the dryer.
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| Post# 1133440 , Reply# 120 11/13/2021 at 17:04 (884 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Actually - I wasn't overthinking. I wasn't talking about selecting normal cycles and push start and go. I was talking about what appnut's post where he was describing about changing cycles to get different results. What I mean was, if you do this procedure.....say start with prewash, stop before prewash is done, change it to normal...appnut says the water won't drain but it will continue with the new cycle as if the old cycle never happened (at least if I'm comprehending the way he explained it. LOL
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| Post# 1133441 , Reply# 121 11/13/2021 at 17:07 (884 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Post# 1133449 , Reply# 122 11/13/2021 at 18:18 (884 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 1133452 , Reply# 123 11/13/2021 at 18:40 (884 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Um yeah!
I'm not 100% sure but I think that's even hotter than my duet gets on sanitary (LOL) I can't remember, but I think it's 153F. If not 153, I'm pretty sure it's 150s..
how long (if you choose extra hot on normal) I'll bet the cycle would be REALLY long. I know turbo wash is supposed to speed things up. I wonder if you can't choose extra hot with turbo wash enabled since it would defeat the purpose of turbo wash? Although, for me, turbo wash isn't about speed...it's about saturating the load better. I'd always use that. | ||
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Post# 1133456 , Reply# 124 11/13/2021 at 19:11 (884 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Mark, I tried a play load of a lot of towels, I set it on Normal, extra hot. highest soil level, maximum of extra rinses. The display time was 2:51. By the time it got to the end of the wash phase, display ways 1:30 and it was 156F temperature. A former member has been providing me with information. He told me sanitary the cut off point for the heater was 160 and for Allergene the cutoff with steam temperature as 165.
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| Post# 1133466 , Reply# 125 11/13/2021 at 20:15 (884 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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at the summer cottage my mom bough for the summer cottage the lg wm4100hba washer with matching dryer, on the washer should i suggest to my mom she use the extra rinse option?
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| Post# 1133471 , Reply# 126 11/13/2021 at 20:26 (884 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Post# 1133487 , Reply# 128 11/14/2021 at 00:17 (884 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Mark, exactly. That's why I am glad I can select extra hot for a while until the wash water is heated up to the temperature I prefer for "hot", and once that happens, pause the machine, either keep the same cycle, or switch to another cycle more appropriate for the wash, change the water temperature to Hot, and adjust soil level to probably light soil since the washer has been tumbling and heating for quite a while. And my laundry room is right off the kitchen so it's not too big of an issue. But I still need to experiment with selecting extra hot and lightest soil and see how high the temperature reaches before the wash cycle is automatically ended. Because on my one test, I just maxxed out soil level as well as extra hot.
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Post# 1133498 , Reply# 130 11/14/2021 at 09:38 (883 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Now, I will admit, I've always suspected LG had more dudmbed down water temps as well as used the heater readily a lot less with its 105 kwh Energy rating as apposed to Whirlpool's commparable size washer having a rating of 141 kwh for the year. That's why I'd always preferred Whirlpool because they had one of the higher/highet kwh ratings for comparable sized front loaders and that meant to me more warm and hot water.
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| Post# 1133528 , Reply# 131 11/14/2021 at 16:03 (883 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Yea but I totally can't see me doing that...I like to choose a cycle I like and use that for everything, maybe modify depending on what I'm washing. Like whites I would use bleach...My heater is set to 120 factory...and the water coming out of my tap is HOT...too hot to touch.......so if hot target temp is 113, that's actually not too far off to what my water heater is set at...I MAY be able to live with that as hot...the big thing is knowing you have extra hot if you need it..I definitely never EVER use cold...but I would always always use turbo wash How are you recording these temps.......??? I'm only asking to clarify if the machine tells you what the water temp is, or do you use something else? | ||
| Post# 1133530 , Reply# 132 11/14/2021 at 16:08 (883 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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I wonder what my duet does as far as temps? I'm almost always using either heavy duty or whitest whites for everything. sometimes add more soil, sometimes not. Always extra rinse unless it's something really small or a small load...My duet rinses really well. But say, heavy duty on mine...the heater kicks in shortly after filling is done for wash and is on for the duration of the wash (which isn't really long too) like the wash on heavy duty with no soil modifiers is right at 20 min's.... But, I think the water coming into the machine is tap hot, so it's already pretty hot.......and the heater takes it from there. My point is, even not using sanitary on my duet, but other cycles that use the heater, but aren't nearly as long as sanitary, I still think the temp gets up there when hot is selected I'd venture to say at least 120s, possibly 130....but I can't confirm this. I'm sure the literature says it, but I'm too lazy to search for literature on my ancient duet.
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Post# 1133533 , Reply# 133 11/14/2021 at 16:52 (883 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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I suppose that Whitest Whites and Towels might also use the heater on the LG. But I guess that really is just a trial and error thing. With the multitude of options these have and the highly advanced sensing it might even be a question of load type etc. | ||
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Post# 1133547 , Reply# 134 11/14/2021 at 18:14 (883 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Mark, I understand. Your Duet was made in Germany I believe. My 2010 (introduced in mid to late 2009) was the first generation of Duets produced in Ohio and was the first direct drive Duet. I thinnk mine was designed whereby the heater came on as default for Whites, Bulky/Bedding, Heavy Duty, and Allergene. But I will tell you this, my hot wash associated with Heavy Duty didn't always get hot enough to require a cool down spray at the end of the wash (122 or 125 degrees) like it does for Whites. Me personally, I want hotter water in a front loader because I wanted freedom from LCB and the Duet gave me that. Fabrics/garments I use to use LCB, I noticed started lasting much longer with the higher wash temps versur chlorine bleach usage. 113F just doesn't cut it for me that way in cleaning and stain removal. I've never minded the long cycles if needbe. I have high expectations for my appliances when it comes to performance and delivering the goods as far as what they are designed for. Hence BobLoads for laundry and dishware expectations.
Here's the rundown from what I've gather from my source For Normal and Heavy Duty on the LG, the heater definitely comes on to heat to those high Ex hot temps. Normal has the very dumbed down temps for warm and hot. If you add steam, hot temp is 104F. Similar for Heavy Duty. For Bedding, Permanent Press, Towels, and Whites warm & hot temps are 90F & 113F respectively for all those cycles. | ||
| Post# 1133561 , Reply# 135 11/14/2021 at 19:22 (883 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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I don't mind using it as it's just a WEE little bit....but I get that some people hate using it. My aunt was like that. She couldn't stand the stuff. I can't be without it even though I use so little of it. I feel like a little of that stuff goes a LONG way.
I use it for three things. I pour some in the dispenser for whites which isn't much at all. I pour a little in the dishwasher when starting a cycle I fill a spray bottle with water and put a couple of teaspoons in to use when I clean around. and it takes me forever to go through a gallon of it. It almost always expires before I can get close to getting through it, so I end up buying a small bottle instead. | ||
| Post# 1133738 , Reply# 136 11/16/2021 at 22:44 (881 days old) by IIIJohnnyMacIII (North Carolina) | ||
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John, today I actually did my first real loads of laudry. One was a very arge load of darks/t shrts, flannels, long sleeve t shirts. I did on Normal with TurboWash as default required, but maxed out at a total of 3 rinses and 4 spray rinses.
Whites with TW may have a max of 4-5 rinses. Similarr for towels too. | ||
| Post# 1133742 , Reply# 138 11/16/2021 at 23:18 (881 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington) | ||
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Post# 1133745 , Reply# 139 11/17/2021 at 00:14 (881 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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It's one of the reasons I bought it for. | ||
| Post# 1133751 , Reply# 140 11/17/2021 at 02:46 (881 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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| Post# 1133773 , Reply# 141 11/17/2021 at 09:37 (880 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington) | ||
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| Post# 1133776 , Reply# 142 11/17/2021 at 09:41 (880 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan) | ||
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Turbo wash isn't active on the bedding cycle, say's neighbor. | ||
| Post# 1133779 , Reply# 143 11/17/2021 at 10:23 (880 days old) by IIIJohnnyMacIII (North Carolina) | ||
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Thanks for the info on the rinses | ||
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Post# 1133780 , Reply# 144 11/17/2021 at 11:03 (880 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 1133785 , Reply# 145 11/17/2021 at 14:43 (880 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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| Post# 1133801 , Reply# 146 11/17/2021 at 15:40 (880 days old) by Jerrod_Six (Eastern Pennsylvania, USA) | ||
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So for whites hot is 113F? Can you select extra hot to this cycle since 113F is not very hot? | ||
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Post# 1133806 , Reply# 148 11/17/2021 at 16:37 (880 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Jerrod, there are only two cycles that offer extra hot wash temp: Normal and Heavy Duty. Other cycles which offer steam an an option, which causes an increase in temperature from what I understand, are Bedding and Whites. Sanitary and Allergiene are in their own league. There are several download cycles, which are derriviatives of both Heavy Duty & Normal, also offer extra hot wash temp. I will be doing a large load of towels early next week on Heavy Duty with Extra Hot Wash and at Normal Soil level or either of the two less than normal soil levels and see how hot the water temperarture rises in teh alloted time of wash. There's no thermostatic holds. (but the Duet didn't either). One thing the Duet did the LG cannot do is select various soil levels when you want to add steam for stains. LG, once you select steam, you lose all control with regards to soil level. I'm also curious to see what tempeartures the various soil levels and exra hot wash temp selected results for temps between 55C & 69C for the alloted wash times. I want to be able to achieve wash water temps that fall between the anemic 113F and 155F-160F. I refusse to accept DOE-forced water temps. And this machicne provides me with the ability to try and do so as any potential Euro washer has extremely limited service coverage where I live.
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| Post# 1133845 , Reply# 149 11/17/2021 at 22:51 (880 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Post# 1134390 , Reply# 151 11/24/2021 at 09:37 (873 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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The first thing I'll address is it's far quieter than my Duet was. I did a large load of towels Monday night and set for extra high spin speed. Final spin speed was 1110 rpms and I was amazed how much quieter the machine was at that spin speed vs. The duet. Also, very stable on my concrete floor. The first time I did a ply load of towels on Normal, the final spin was like 6 minutess long and the final spray rinse was at the 4 minute mark, which gave little time for a good spin. A former member and I have been emailsing off and on for about 10 years on dishwasher stuff. Turns out he has the WM4500 and has done extensive research on his. On sensing cycles, the load is weighed, it senses how heavy/large the load is and triggers a "long" or "short" cycle and a "short" cycle will predominantly be triggered on Normal. I had a large load of towels, that filled my Duet, and it still oonly triggered the "short" cycle. To manually force a "long" cycle is to pour 3-4 cups of water into the cyinder (goes into the sump) before adding garments. The "long" cycle will trigger the machine to more readily heat the water if needed; wash and rinse water levels are higher (a quart to a gallon more); wash times are slightly longer; rinse tumble times after fill are (as on Normal cycle) changed from 1 minute to 2 minutes) interim spins are slightly longer and on Normal cycle as an example, final spin is longer and the spray rinse is at 6 or 8 minntes rather than at 4 minutes, allowing more time for high speed spin. The normal cycle does something no other cycle does on it's deep rinse. It adds enough water to have some water in the cylinder and then it begins a slow spin for a minute or two before it adds the rest of the water to complete the rinse. I'm amazed at how much water the rinses use. I pretty much add an extra rinse for every lod, even with TurboWash selected. Just my preference. This same guy is my source for all the various wash temperatures for various soil levels and cycles that I have referred to up thread. As far as I'm concerned, the noisiest the washer is when running is when it's filling/adding water.
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| Post# 1134464 , Reply# 152 11/24/2021 at 22:01 (873 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington) | ||
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My LG washer is MUCH quieter than my last LG set. Minimal vibration, (any front load washer has some noise and vibration to it)
I think the rinsing is Very good, and the spray spin rinse really helps. The turbowash is excellent, using all the water. The final spin is great. as long as your load is balanced good, there isn't much vibration and noise from it. Mine and Bobs are the 4200 set, which is 5 CF drum, which is deep. Mikes is the 4000 which is slightly smaller, 4.5 CF but basically almost the same machine. Both machines have ALOT of cycles to choose from, including some downloaded ones, which I like well. wonderful machines. | ||
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Post# 1134471 , Reply# 154 11/24/2021 at 23:56 (873 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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TurboWash is default on Normal & Heavy Duty and is optional for Whites, Perm Press, Bedding, Sanitary, Allergiene, Towels, and Speed Wash. I always have TurboWsh select4ed. On mine, after the tub coasts down following a spray rinse, the drum pauses and the pump discharges any water in the sump before filling begins for the rinse.
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Post# 1134561 , Reply# 155 11/25/2021 at 21:09 (872 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio) |
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appnut They changed it then! I am glad!! | ||
| Post# 1134603 , Reply# 156 11/26/2021 at 12:03 (871 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Post# 1134604 , Reply# 157 11/26/2021 at 12:21 (871 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 1134774 , Reply# 158 11/28/2021 at 12:49 (869 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Post# 1134827 , Reply# 159 11/28/2021 at 23:17 (869 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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wash action during the cycle What do you think of the wash action during the cycle? For example, when I set it on normal, it will tumble about the same speed as the whirlpool duet. Also, I noticed during the rinse cycle, the fabric softener will knock down suds during the deep rinse action which is similar to the wash action. | ||
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Post# 1134874 , Reply# 160 11/30/2021 at 10:35 (867 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Well Mark, here's the answer. When running yesterday's large load, I timed the spray rinses are 10-15 seconds long. Spray rnses won't be triggered unless spin rpms are approaching 600. A few seconds later the tub begins coasting down for the next deep rinse and once the tub stops, the pump drains everything out of the sump after a fwe seconds of settling down before the pumping begins.
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| Post# 1134885 , Reply# 161 11/30/2021 at 13:39 (867 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Gotcha and thanks :)
I'm a little jealous - to be honest, I still don't want anything to happen to my current duet. I did a bunch of laundry the last few days...Sheets, clothes, everything....and I noticed the final spins were so smooth...I still can't believe it still works!! I have a queen bed in a box that's way too thick and puffy to fit into my duet..I have to take it once a year to laundromat (which I HATE doing) but I'll bet it would fit in your machine... Probably even a king would fit. | ||
| Post# 1134890 , Reply# 162 11/30/2021 at 16:20 (867 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas) | ||
I have to take it once a year to laundromat  | ||
| Post# 1134920 , Reply# 163 11/30/2021 at 21:25 (867 days old) by IIIJohnnyMacIII (North Carolina) | ||
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It’s one of those machines! | ||
| Post# 1134921 , Reply# 164 11/30/2021 at 21:46 (867 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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I think so too
Ever since that guy (I forget his name) made a Youtube video of one of the early LG turbo washes I've kept my eye on them. I remember at one point LG had a rear control FL washer that I really liked the looks of....but I think this was well before turbo wash was introduced.
I really wish they still made rear control FL's.....it would look so much better with a standard dryer... | ||
| Post# 1138299 , Reply# 167 1/3/2022 at 17:18 (833 days old) by IIIJohnnyMacIII (North Carolina) | ||
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Measuring Water Temps | ||
| Post# 1138315 , Reply# 168 1/3/2022 at 18:21 (833 days old) by Egress (Oregon) | ||
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I believe it can be read by pressing the Delay button and the Temp select button and holding both down. | ||
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Post# 1138329 , Reply# 169 1/3/2022 at 20:22 (833 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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John, yes that is correct--while it's washhing, select delay wash & temperature buttons at the same time. Subsituting the wash temp with spin speed will show you spin rpm speed.
Last week I did a FULL load of towels on Heavy Duty, Extra Hot, and Normal soil level. Wash temp got to 142F before it drained to begin rinses. The 2 lower soi levels would result in a lower hot water temp if needed to be slightly less. Max wash temp I've observed with just using extra hot temp and max soil level on Heavy Duty is 159 to 160F. | ||
| Post# 1138393 , Reply# 170 1/4/2022 at 11:18 (832 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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Bob I use the Normal Cycle to wash towels and I use the Ex Hot and if you tap the soil level one notch above Normal the washer will heat the water to 152F If you go Heavy soil then the AI function will cut out. Why that is i dont know. I wish that LG would send out another software update to have all cycles use AI not just the 2 that use it.
I have not had the need to use the Heavy Duty cycle for anything...yet. | ||
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Post# 1138409 , Reply# 171 1/4/2022 at 14:16 (832 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Mike, I realize that. I purposely didn't select heavy soil because I didn't need the temperature to be that high. What I am TYRING to replicate is the various hot water temperatures I had available on the Duet that allowed me flixibility for the various types of loads that needed different temperatures. And I want to demonstate that to those that might find that helpful. And I agree, I wish AI was a function on more than just Normal cycle. I used the Juice & Food stains downloaded cycle last weeked. After a prewash it filled with hot water which was about 115-120F, it decreased down to 89-90F and sayed there. The cycle selected the heaviest soil level and wash period was 70 minutes The load included my cotton napkins used for mealtime that undrstandably has all sorts of food soils. Everything came out clean with the default parameters except for 3. And that surprised me given hot water tempperature of 117F wasn't maintained. I rewashed those 3 with HD cycle, extra hot, and max soil level and those stains were gone. The load got to 160F. I am wanting to check out the Collars & Cuffs download cycle--the description is "with increasingly hot water for effective stain removal." I have a load later this week that could be appropriate for that cycle--not by the cycle name, but what I am wanting to see waht it does for the items--my kitchen towels tht are used for daiy activities, NOT wiping up food juices or similar (the cotton napkins are used for that). I wish the dryer cycles would off AI no more than Normal because I'd like to see AI applied to another temperature and dryness level.
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| Post# 1138421 , Reply# 172 1/4/2022 at 17:41 (832 days old) by IIIJohnnyMacIII (North Carolina) | ||
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Thanks Marco and John. That's a nice feature.
I love all the different temperatures that you can get from these machines and that it actually maintains the temps. I love 140 for towels as well. I also like how it gradually increases the temps to release stains that would get set in if it just put out 140 degrees right off the bat. These machines are really something else. I can't wait to get one. I was looking at the studio washtower to save space in my laundry room. By chance do you know if these 5.0 cu ft 105 kwh machines operate in the same way as the 4200 5.0 cu ft 105 kwh machines as far as temperatures go? I could just get a stack kit for the 4200s if it's not the case. | ||
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Post# 1138435 , Reply# 173 1/4/2022 at 19:17 (832 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio) |
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Cuffs and Collars I would imagine this is similar to "Sweat Stains" on our Kenmore. The cycle was nothing other than a Normal cycle with hot water selected. Let me know if yours is different. | ||
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Post# 1138445 , Reply# 174 1/4/2022 at 20:37 (832 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 1138448 , Reply# 175 1/4/2022 at 21:45 (832 days old) by IIIJohnnyMacIII (North Carolina) | ||
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Post# 1138454 , Reply# 176 1/4/2022 at 23:12 (832 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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John, I was lookng at the LG web site. There are 3 Washtower versions--The WKx100 doesn't mention TurboWash 360 in two places where it should. The WKx200 does mention TubroWash 360. The LG Studio WashTower is the tol 5.0 cu washer model and also has TubroWash 360. In fact, I just looked at the manual for the washtower 100 and the washtower 200 models. The 100 did not mention or show turbowash on the control panel or in a listing of options and modifiers. So observe carefully. the other thing I don't like about the WAshtowers is the only cycles on the control panel for them is Normal, Heavy Duty, Beding, Speed Wash, Delicates and Download. Sanitary is optional step. If you wanted to use Whites, Perm Press/Wrinkle Free, Towels and Allergene (which are on the control panel of stand alone models), you have to download them. I"m finding that I tend to use the most Heavy Duty, Normal, and Perm Press. I"m finding I use Heavy Duty & Normal with Extra Hot for anything I want a hot wash for. LG's "Hot" 117F is kind of weak in my books. On Normal, warm is 86F and hot is 97F. Heavy Duty, Whites, Perm Press, Bedding, warm is 89-90F and hot is 117F.
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Post# 1138655 , Reply# 179 1/7/2022 at 09:22 (829 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Not a concern if the temp starts lower and heats to the target. That's what's called a profile wash which is ideal for handling soils that shift at a range of temperatures. I've often washed sheets with small blood stains at 115°F up to 133°F incoming water with typical-today enzyme detergents and/or Biz added ... no stains remain. | ||
| Post# 1139973 , Reply# 180 1/21/2022 at 12:40 (815 days old) by roscoe62 (Canada) | ||
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Extended Warranty So did either of you buy an extended warranty with your new LG's or is it worth it? | ||
| Post# 1140007 , Reply# 181 1/21/2022 at 17:59 (815 days old) by whatsername (Denver, CO) | ||
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| Post# 1140256 , Reply# 182 1/24/2022 at 15:07 (812 days old) by IIIJohnnyMacIII (North Carolina) | ||
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| Post# 1149696 , Reply# 184 5/28/2022 at 08:10 (689 days old) by roscoe62 (Canada) | ||
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Water Temps Nmassman44, Powerfin64,or Appnut I recently purchased a new set and waiting for delivery, so are all the programs on the new 4000 series with dumbed-down water temps, would hot be the new warm, warm cool, etc? | ||
| Post# 1149700 , Reply# 185 5/28/2022 at 09:00 (688 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington) | ||
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Post# 1149703 , Reply# 186 5/28/2022 at 09:29 (688 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Rich is correct. Allergene and Sanitize will get you higher temps, in addition to extra hot on Normal and Heavy Duty. On Perm Press, Bedding, Towels, and Whites hot is 112F, warm is 89-92F. For Normal hot is 95F to 104F and warm is 82F to 85F. Steam option on Bedding and Whites will get you temps ranging from 145F to 160F, depending upon load size.
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Post# 1149733 , Reply# 188 5/28/2022 at 13:42 (688 days old) by ryner1988 (Indianapolis) |
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Bob, I meant to tell you I eventually ran across the video of a blind lady, I think she was the same woman you mentioned to me a month or so ago, Lucy somebody, who owned a wifi connected LG washer and dryer, either the same or very similar to what is being discussed here. She worked with LG on beefing up their laundry app to make it usable for visually impaired folks. It's actually really neat and makes me less intimidated about getting a new washer and dryer should the need arise. These are definitely the machines I would look into if I had to buy new. I think she said they made a Braille overlay for her as well so she could use the touch screen on the machine itself.
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Post# 1149735 , Reply# 189 5/28/2022 at 14:32 (688 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 1149801 , Reply# 190 5/29/2022 at 10:59 (687 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington) | ||
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Post# 1149808 , Reply# 191 5/29/2022 at 13:52 (687 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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A former member who has kept in contact with me over the last 10 years. He's had numerous LG FLers over the years. He knows how much I like to know what's going on with cycles and provided me with the basic information. I've been able to answer a couple of questions he has had about LG washers he wasn't sure of, but given I've been known to sit in front of my machine for hours and keep track of monitoring temperatures as the rise and fall with the combination delay wash & temp buttons at the same time. I've always known there's a reason why the comparable sized Whirlpool & Maytag Energyguide rating is 54 KWH/year more (159) vs. LG's 105 KWH.
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Post# 1149810 , Reply# 192 5/29/2022 at 14:09 (687 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Bob is getting his details via observation. Pressing/holding Delay + Temp while the machine is running gives an instantaneous display of the thermistor reading (is it °C or °F?). Delay + Spin Speed gives RPM. Other LG models may provide the info via other button combinations. I ran across this YouTube vid on which whatever model is involved apparently is via the Temp + Spin buttons for RPM, Time Saver + Temp for temperature. | ||
| Post# 1149898 , Reply# 193 5/30/2022 at 20:04 (686 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
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Post# 1149906 , Reply# 194 5/30/2022 at 21:39 (686 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Mike, notice my figures quoted are in F not C. On Whites and Towels (with a heavy load), once the 112F is reached, the heater turns off and does not come back on, regardless of how much the water temperature decreases. And with my water heater set at 120 or so, for a large load of towels with a lot of hot water added for the wash, 112F is reached between 5 & 10 minutes after fill is complete. I've only been able to get up to between 147 & 151 on Sanitize with a large load of towels and Allergen is maybe 4-5 degrees higher. The respective heater thermostat cut off for the two cycles is 158F and 163-165F. Most of my usual daily laundry is fine in the new machine. But my most challenging loads have ended up requiring some button pushing to get the results the Duet gave me due to better time adjustment for large loads as well as a true steam generator period after wash water was drained and up to 26 minutes of steaming that really raised wash tub environment temperatures. But it's also a problem in Europe with eco60 cycles that don't reach the temperature they are supposed to because of programmed energy requirements. I am very thankful for a machine that allows me to have some control over hot water temps (and even some warm too) rather than accepting the dumbed down energy star requirements. I won't use warm on Normal, 86F I don't even consider warm. If I want somewhat of a warm, I'll use PP. If I want an old-fashioned warm of 95-104F, I select hot on Normal.
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Post# 1150002 , Reply# 195 5/31/2022 at 23:24 (685 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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lg pair If I do consider the LG pair, I will consider the wm4500 matching pair. As a blind person, I have a difficult time measuring laundry detergent and fabric softener. the auto dispense would be perfect for me. | ||
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Post# 1150673 , Reply# 197 6/9/2022 at 13:30 (676 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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It used to be (and as far as I know that hasn't changed) just pressing the Extra Rinse button again and again. The display would display a 1, 2, 3 respectively. | ||
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Post# 1150692 , Reply# 199 6/9/2022 at 15:08 (676 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Yes. With TurboWash on, cycles such as Whites & Sanitize (and maybe Allergene) have a default of 2 rinses and can add up to two additional. Other cycles (such as Normal & Heavy Duty, Perm Press), have a default of one Turbowash rinse and can add up to an additional. Me personally, I always ad an additional rinse, regardless of whether I have turbowash on or off. thus far, the maximum number of rinses I have counted with TW on is 4. If TW is off, I believe it's a maximum of 5.
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