Thread Number: 88165
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Any positive comments for pre 1980 Norge/Wards dryers? |
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Post# 1127391   8/31/2021 at 21:55 (940 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)   |   | |
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Since I now have the vintage Norge set I’ve been looking through the archives for information. There is definitely more positive feedback when it comes to the washers but not so much for the dryers. Is there anyone using one of theses dryers regularly these days? How many members have them? Any pictures or good things to say about them?
I’ve always liked the pre early eighties Norge/Montgomery Wards machines but they weren’t popular in this area. The Wards models seemed to be the fancier more common models. I personally like them and can’t wait to go through mine and put them into service. I didn’t have a good picture of the whole dryer but here are some random ones. Model: DEK 1818 A17 Serial 281259 |
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Post# 1127393 , Reply# 1   8/31/2021 at 22:24 (940 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 1127395 , Reply# 2   8/31/2021 at 23:19 (940 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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My mom's '67 Signature 18 far outlasted its companion washer.
I have absolutely nothing good to say about Norge's despicable washers but my mom only had Norge dryers -- a '56 Timeline, the '67 Signature, and what I'm guessing was a late '80s Signature 2000 -- and the first two far outlasted their Norge washer counterparts. By the time the third one showed up, a far more reliable, refined and infinitely quieter '74 Kenmore had long since replaced the Signature 18 washer from hell that tried to grind its way to China.
That's a nice dryer you have. It will likely provide you with many years of service.
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Post# 1127428 , Reply# 4   9/1/2021 at 10:55 (939 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)   |   | |
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Thanks for the replies. I do look forward to using it but before I do I want to take care of some maintenance issues mainly from the dryer sitting so long.
Ralph as you probably already know I have the washer too. So close your eyes when the posts pop up, lol! I did get a kick out of your comments in the archives on nearly every Norge/Wards washer thread. |
Post# 1127435 , Reply# 5   9/1/2021 at 11:37 (939 days old) by agiflow ()   |   | |
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Had a 1973-74 Fedders Norge washer and dryer. Washer worked until 1983. Excellent cleaner but very loud. Never had the chance to use the dryer though. |
Post# 1127436 , Reply# 6   9/1/2021 at 11:54 (939 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Worked great but like the earlier Norge design leaked air everywhere and lint along with the air [ I would only use one on an outdoor porch ]
They were not real durable dryers like the models just before, main problem areas were broken drum belts, bad front slides, noisy blower bearings, and motors filled with lint that kept overheating.
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Post# 1127500 , Reply# 9   9/1/2021 at 22:33 (939 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)   |   | |
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Post# 1127520 , Reply# 10   9/2/2021 at 03:17 (938 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Post# 1127526 , Reply# 11   9/2/2021 at 05:13 (938 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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The Norge dryers with the lint screen down at floor level in the kick-plate area were the original design and were built like tanks, this design was changed about 1968 to the lint screen in a pocket below the door where you opened the loading door to pull it out to clean.
Hi Ralph, I am sure that the Signature 2000 dryers lint screen was in the door pocket as this original design was gone before 1970 even, people were not even thinking the world would still be here in 2000, LOL
When Norge made this change they went from having probably the most rugged durable dryer ever [ better than MT, WP, GE Etc Etc ] to one of the worst dryers on the market, Everything went wrong with the new design in 1/2 the time or much less.
Both of these style dryers were positive pressure designs that would flock your basement laundry room with lint.
I don't remember exactly what year that Norge ditched this 2nd design I thought it was early 80s it was before MT bought Norge-Magic Chef in the mid 80s that I am pretty sure some one can probably help me out with the exact years.
Norge-Fedders-Magic Chef came out an all new 27" negative pressure dryer design that was immediately a POS and continued to be a 2nd rate dryer till WP took control of MT and closed the old Norge factory.
The Maytag drying center was based on this crappy Norge dryer, I installed a NEW Maytag gas drying center in my newly remodeled laundry room a few months it works but after less than 30 loads it is already starting to squeak a little, and it is nowhere as fast as the 2 WP built 29" gas dryers I have in the laundry room or as nice to use LOL
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Post# 1127553 , Reply# 12   9/2/2021 at 10:27 (938 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)   |   | |
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Here’s a little timeline from some searching that I’ve done. I too wanted to know when the positive airflow design was dropped but I haven’t found the exact date yet. I assume it happened during the Magic Chef years but that’s a guess. Here’s a timeline from thesouthern.com.
1946 - Borg Warner builds the Herrin plant 1963 - Norge is successful with a new automatic washer 1968 - Fedders purchases Norge from Borg Warner 1969 - Norge announces the acquisition of dryer production facilities 1979 - Magic Chef purchases Norge from Fedders 1986 - Magic Chef merges with Maytag 1989 - Norge in Herrin becomes Magic Chef Herrin 1993 - Magic Chef Herrin becomes Maytag Herrin Laundry Products 1996 - The Herrin plant celebrates 50 years and is 9 times the size of the original with 800 employees 1997 - Maytag’s new Performa line adds 112 jobs 1998 - Herrin expands its production lines 2000 - more than 1200 workers strike for a week, the last time for 6 weeks in 1981 2002 - Maytag increases the workforce at the Herrin plant to more than 1400 2003 - Maytag says plant employs 2000 people with 1600 in production, biggest employer in the region 2003 - Maytag begins production of the Neptune dryer 2003-04 - Herrin receives 1.2 million state grant and 1.65 million federal grant for plant improvements 2004 - (June) 41 employees lose jobs due to corporate downsizing at management level 2005 - (March) Maytag says they’ll cut costs by outsourcing more production to foreign countries not negatively affecting the Herrin plant 2005 - (May-June) Maytag receives buyout proposals from Ripplewood Holdings LLC and Bain Capital partners LLC, Blackstone Capital partners and Haier America Trading 2005 - (August) Maytag corp. directors sell the company to Whirlpool corp. for 1.7 billion 2006 - (January-February) more than 150 workers laid off 2006 - (May 10th) Whirlpool announces Herrin plant closing date 2006 - (November) city of Herrin brings in experts to aid workers with starting their own businesses 2006 - (December) Man-Tra-Con talks to employees about new opportunities 2006 - (December 21st) last day of work for Maytag employees |
Post# 1127557 , Reply# 13   9/2/2021 at 11:43 (938 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 1127558 , Reply# 14   9/2/2021 at 12:13 (938 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)   |   | |
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Post# 1127582 , Reply# 16   9/2/2021 at 18:14 (938 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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I don’t have experience with any Norge or Wards dryers but I’ve heard they tend to accumulate a lot of lint in little time and someone said theirs caught on a fire a few times as well in the archives. Only “positive” air flow dryer I have experience with it my 1963 RCA Whirlpool Imperial dryer with positive air flow at the lint screen and usually there’s lint and dust in the area where the lint screen is and on the top panel after I dry loads with lots of lint and dog hair but otherwise isn’t much lint if I use the regular speed since it reduces the air output and speed of the fan.
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Post# 1127596 , Reply# 17   9/2/2021 at 21:36 (938 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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I honestly can't remember for sure where the lint screen was on the Signature 2000 dryer. I do remember that it had a plastic cap or nub of some kind down low in front and I think it was something found only on their gas models.
Interesting time line for Norge and Maytag, but the 2003 date for Neptune dryers makes me wonder about the Neptune set at a co-workers house where my group's 2001 holiday party was held. Before 2003 was Maytag putting their badge on Neptune dryers that they didn't manufacture? |
Post# 1127602 , Reply# 18   9/2/2021 at 23:31 (938 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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The latest Wards catalog I have is Fall & Winter 1982 - still the Norge Flock-O-Matic design - but has lost the locking door latch.
I would guess the vacuum drying system came about with Magic Chef a few years later by the (excellent!) timeline above.
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Post# 1127608 , Reply# 19   9/3/2021 at 01:27 (937 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)   |   | |
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Ralph I’m going to speculate that what they were referring to is the production of the Neptune drying center since it was Herrin built. The Neptune washer and dryer line which began in 1997 were Newton built.
Thanks for the scan of those awesome Wards machines. I really can’t wait to try the Norge Flock-O-Matic. |
Post# 1128478 , Reply# 20   9/12/2021 at 18:45 (928 days old) by Washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i)   |   | |
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Here are photos of my Wards Signature set. Not a true matching pair, but pretty close. The dryer had sat outside on a farm for a few years so the control panel is pretty hard to read, but the dryer works like a dream. Yes, as mentioned earlier, they tend to blow lint out into the room because of the fan (Norge once had a dryer line named “Fan Jet”) that blows outward. Despite the lint problem, the design results in really fluffy clothes. And with the amazing Wards/Norge automatic washer’s washing prowess, this is the perfect laundry pair!
Anyway, not sure of the exact vintage of these wonderful machines, but would guess mid-late 70s? |
Post# 1128499 , Reply# 21   9/12/2021 at 23:28 (928 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)   |   | |
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Hi Todd! I’ve been waiting for you to comment as one of the proponents on this site of these machines. That’s a great set you have and I agree that they are mid to late seventies. Ive been doing some research on fedders date codes and if they were the same format as their ac units then the first 2 digits of the serial is the year and the letter that follows is the month. I can’t see the first numbers of the dryer serial but the washer would be a ‘77.
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Post# 1128501 , Reply# 22   9/13/2021 at 00:11 (928 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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Here's a circa early 60's Norge dryer I got to play with quite sometime ago. I have to say that I was extremely impressed with it. Fast even drying, fluffy clothes, and no, there wasn't a single spec of lint anywhere in the laundry room. One of the options that surprised me was the lever near the door opening that stopped the drum from turning and a provided rack to dry items like shoes. VERY forward thinking for that time period! The original owner never repaired it once in nearly 50 years of operation. He said an idler came off and he just reinstalled it. It sounded like the original belt had a worn/flat spot on it but I'd give that a pass for almost a half century of use. It took me longer than I want admit to locate the lint filter although it's pretty well disguised. About the only negative comment I think of is that it's timed dry only but other than that, a fantastic dryer.
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Post# 1128502 , Reply# 23   9/13/2021 at 00:26 (928 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Dan, that Signature dryer control panel style dated form mid to late 1963 through 1966. Our 1964 Norge dryer's rack is still to this day the best design I've ever come across and it's what I use as a benchmark against all others. The stop'n'dry allowed me to put my mom and sisters' lingere in the upper position and dry tennis shoes or galoshes on the lower position.
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Post# 1128503 , Reply# 24   9/13/2021 at 01:17 (928 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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Bob, thanks for nailing down the production dates, I've been curious about that for over 2 decades now. It really is an impressive dryer. I never thought about using the drying rack for multi tier use but that makes sense with the drum being stationary. The dryer only saw 2 person use from new until '99 when his wife passed, then through 2011 when he passed. Not a benchmark for reliability stats but it seemed rather sturdily built and a reliable design. |
Post# 1128504 , Reply# 25   9/13/2021 at 01:46 (927 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 1128505 , Reply# 26   9/13/2021 at 01:59 (927 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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I have to admit, I wish I could read the text for each of the cycles A-F. I could only figure out F, Air Fluff.
Norge only had two models in 1964 that offered Auto Dry, the rest were only timed. The models with the auto dry actually had 2 heat input on the auto dry cycle similar to the concept of Soft Heat on Lady Kenmore dryers in 1964 or 1965. |
Post# 1128516 , Reply# 27   9/13/2021 at 08:21 (927 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)   |   | |
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Dan that is a beautiful dryer! Bob thanks for the additional information. I have a dryer from approximately the same age range but unfortunately it’s been sitting in a shed with no climate control for the last 20 years and is probably not worth saving anymore. It is a bottom of the line model with a timer only no other selectors. It does have the stop-n-dry feature though.
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Post# 1128523 , Reply# 28   9/13/2021 at 09:27 (927 days old) by Washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i)   |   | |
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And this was the Norge set I lost in the wildfire in 2015. The dryer had the “stop ‘n dry” feature but was missing the rack. It was an auto dry model and definitely was a tank!
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Post# 1128528 , Reply# 29   9/13/2021 at 10:11 (927 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)   |   | |
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Post# 1128553 , Reply# 30   9/13/2021 at 14:17 (927 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Post# 1128597 , Reply# 31   9/13/2021 at 21:03 (927 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)   |   | |
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When I was young, this had to be around 1970 I was playing with a friend, Jimmy. We were doing something in the basement and it was cold and I remember Jimmy opening his mom's dryer, pulling out a lever called stop N Dry and turning the dryer on. I don't remember it being any warmer but what was going on there? Somehow the door switch was taped (?) or maybe it runs with the door open? What was Jimmy trying to do with this dryer? Could this be one of the dangerous childhood situations we survived, that is, could we have died of CO? I though it was strange as this is the only time I saw Stop N Dry.
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Post# 1128605 , Reply# 32   9/13/2021 at 22:31 (927 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)   |   | |
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Post# 1128607 , Reply# 33   9/13/2021 at 23:44 (927 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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I don’t think it would have been admitting CO/carbon monoxide into the room since gas dryers don’t admit much if any carbon monoxide since the burner burns much more efficiently since there’s tons of air being pulled through the burner on a gas dryer compared to a gas stove or water heater burner since not much air gets pulled through on any of those burners.
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Post# 1128621 , Reply# 34   9/14/2021 at 05:50 (926 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Original style approximately 1952-1967, 2nd style 1968-early 80s.
While both these Norge dryer designs were positive air pressure dryers with the fan behind the drum blowing heated air in from the back and out from the drum at the front they were completely different dryers.
The 1st style dryers had a lint filter in the toe-kick area that was about 20" square and only needed cleaning every week or so, the 2nd style had a filter in a plastic frame just inside the door that was much smaller and needed cleaning every few loads.
The first style machines were built like tanks and usually outlasted several AWs the 2nd generation machines were a POS and usually could not outlast even the Norge washer that came with it, there was not one part that interchanged between the two different designs.
A lot of the early style machines suffered door switches that would get stuck closed and the dryer would run with the door open.
Gas dryers make a minuscule amount of CM, Norge even had a hair dryer attachment for the early style dryers that allowed the hot air from the dryer blow all around your hair to dry it.
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Post# 1128639 , Reply# 35   9/14/2021 at 09:59 (926 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)   |   | |
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the cabinet to help minimise dust and debris being expelled during the dry cycle.
We had positive pressure Hotpoint dryers and if you took it apart to repair it was a good idea to buy draught sealer the adhesive type and when replacing the panels etc you lined it with new seal and it would make a lot of difference to lint every where !! I recall doing one that took ages to dry and afterwards was 2x as fast and the only air you find other than the hose was blown out the back of the timer dial..... Austin |
Post# 1128655 , Reply# 36   9/14/2021 at 15:10 (926 days old) by Washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i)   |   | |
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