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Two stunning washers for my twinnie collection
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Post# 1129130   9/20/2021 at 07:41 (945 days old) by unclejohn (Can)        

Hello everyone out there everywhere on AW !

Hope everybody is doing well.

Since my last find (late in Feb 2020, an A50 - see link), there was the crossing of a desert amidst this pandemic: virtually nothing on kijiji, with also no significant numbers of interesting items either from ebay or craigslist...

However, the guy who sold me the little Maytag in 2020 has sort of struck gold this year in his quest for vintage or antique home appliances. He often takes a drive around in his car and checks for bazaars, flea markets, as well as for the few things which people get rid of often for free. "You won't believe how much stock i've gathered in my house" he said (sounds too familiar to some?).

The fact is he has found two wonderful twin tub washers, an Hoover model 0617 (beautiful avocado n' white finish) and an yet unidentified european twinnie which looks much like an old Acme or Manweb from UK. God, i like those stylish lids! Will come back as soon as i can with more details and pictures of the new acquisitions - for the latter, i'll have to contact the seller any time soon to eventually get it home for the ridiculous amount of 25$! I'll keep you posted. - unclejohn

p s have added a picture of an US-made Hvr T-1001, exactly same design as the first gen 0617 from Canada except here for the color of the top trim and tubs


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Post# 1129137 , Reply# 1   9/20/2021 at 10:20 (945 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
Where is a picture of the other twin tub you got?

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Am gagging to see what it is >>>?

Post# 1129143 , Reply# 2   9/20/2021 at 11:32 (945 days old) by unclejohn (Can)        
Sorry no images yet ...

... just a teaser ?

First, thanks for your question Austin.

For the other tt (from Europe, but still unknown brand at this time) i will most probably go the seller's house by tuesday. Will then bring it home and get to know more about it. A friend of mine is supposed to lend me his digital camera before the end of the week. By the past I had the annoying tendency of taking pictures of vintage stuff with single use disposable Kodaks - of course no match to any good digital device. Perhaps i should have waited a bit for a posting, but i couldn't wait to share my enthusiasm and excitement at these new additions in my collection of vintage things mostly twin tubs.


Post# 1129146 , Reply# 3   9/20/2021 at 12:51 (945 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
Being a twin tub fan myself

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Is what makes me curious to see what it is.....!!

I have a very rare and nearly working condition Burco 21 from the early 60's it needs a bit more working on and a respray as it was stored in a shed with growing ivy I can't wait to get it restored.

If you look at my profile pic I have a Rolls that hubby got me for my 60th its now in working condition and stacked along with many other twin tubs all varying in type I shall have to get some pictures done myself. :)

Austin


Post# 1129166 , Reply# 4   9/20/2021 at 17:59 (945 days old) by unclejohn (Can)        
Oh, that Burco washer ...

... really must be something !

Respray: my "new" little 0617 will need a complete paint restoration, as there is a good amount of rust at some places, only one side could ne called ok. Instead of the sandpaper i will use a spray can of rust remover which will clean the surface prior to a new paint. Of course, all must be dry before appling the thin layer of primer, then two good coats of gloss white enamel paint and voila. Perhaps i should also refresh with a thin spray the little wash tub which has a lotta tiny scratches

Concerning the Euro twin tub, i should get it by tomorrow evening (tuesday, ET US Can). As i said, i will post more details about it and soon will take some pictures of both machines.

Cool that are you are yourself a fan of the inimitable twin tub ! I miss for sure the era of those humble but noble washing machines, the years if my childhood. My mom have had an Hoover, my grandma a beautiful Hitachi twinnie, and one of my cousins had a small Kenmore twin tub IIRC.

jc


Post# 1129195 , Reply# 5   9/21/2021 at 06:46 (944 days old) by keymatic (London / UK)        

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Hi John,

Looking forward to the unveiling of this mystery machine, if it is an export from the UK we will be able to help if needed, it will be interesting to see if it is an agitator or pulsator type washer, Acme and Manweb machines had both of types washing method on the market.

Regards
Keith


Post# 1129203 , Reply# 6   9/21/2021 at 10:24 (944 days old) by unclejohn (Can)        
Thank you, Keith...

I am, myself, anxious to know more about that new "vintage".

Will keep you posted - with upcoming details, and photos to come soon as well.



Post# 1129248 , Reply# 7   9/21/2021 at 20:30 (944 days old) by unclejohn (Can)        
Got it !

Hello.

The mystery washer is home. It is: Concorde Model 172
- - mfd by Tallent Engineering, Aycliffe, Durham

Heard about those machines, but never saw one before!
Reminds me the old Hoovermatic my mom used when
i was a little toddler (model 0500). This machine was
also made for the north american market, as testifies
the 110 V - 60 cycles - CSA written on the data plate.

Year?
Were these good machines? Seems solidly built.
The unit is a little bit larger than a Hoover,
but seems to weigh roughly about the same...





Post# 1129253 , Reply# 8   9/21/2021 at 21:08 (944 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Hello Luv,

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Great finds! Good to know up north still has many wonders yet to be discovered.

If you don't mind me stealing some of your thunder, believe what you've got hold of there is a twin tub sold under both Colston and Corcorde badge.

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Post# 1129281 , Reply# 9   9/22/2021 at 09:31 (943 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
Concorde also known by Rolls

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Rolls Razor was the first incarnation of these twin tubs and they ended with the Ariston badge the only things that changed were the appearance and the dials. Everything under the hood was the same.

The Rolls is what I am standing behind in my photo.

Austin


Post# 1129302 , Reply# 10   9/22/2021 at 13:14 (943 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
Coronet

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How very interesting that you have managed to get this machine, I wonder if it could have been an "import special" as sometimes happened with other UK manufactured appliances.

As Austin says, this machine is a direct descendant of the Rolls machines which were on sale here from around 1959. Quite how Charles Colston (who was the man who set up and ran Hoover UK Until the mid 1950s) managed to extract the washer manufacturing facility from the collapse of Rolls is not clear but these machines went on, more or less unaltered from 1959. It seems that in mid-late 1960s the machines got a styling update, squaring up the cabinet and moving the controls to the top of the machine. They continued to be sold, again largely unchanged, until shortly after the Ariston acquisition when the whole line was dropped in around 1981. The main difference is that the last models (Ariston - as posted by Laundress) were taller than the older machines.

They are rare in the UK, I managed to pick one up in late 2020 which has recently been restored to full operation - see the pictures below.

It is unlikely your machine will have a heater so it will be interesting if it has one knob or two. The timer runs for 4 minutes. The capacity of this machine is about 4 pounds or approximately twp thirds that of a Hoovermatic or Speed Queen (Servis)

Al


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Post# 1129313 , Reply# 11   9/22/2021 at 15:04 (943 days old) by unclejohn (Can)        

Thank you all for the kind replies.

Will share photos of the machine i have, as soon as i can
(i should borrow -- not steal ! -- the digital cam of a friend...)
The matter of a few days, perhaps.

However, a quick search on Google led me to an Emelec washer (mine's Concorde looks EXACTLY like the one on the picture; NO heater, one wash setting dial, one "on" red lamp and two push button switches [the one here has tree] - see image below)

Stay tuned
-unclejohn


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Post# 1129320 , Reply# 12   9/22/2021 at 15:44 (943 days old) by Keymatic (London / UK)        

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Hi John,
The Emelec information is from my collection and this was basically a rebadged Rolls Concorde i think, albeit the wash lids are positioned differently and more squared off, there were so variations of “Rolls” machines during the mid to late 60’s. I think your machine was shipped with the owner, i dont believe these low cost machines would have been exported.
Looking forward to seeing the pics.
Cheers
Keith


Post# 1129327 , Reply# 13   9/22/2021 at 17:37 (943 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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" I think your machine was shipped with the owner...."

Would be my guess as well...

So many goodies have ended up in North America courtesy of those moving house.

Back in day when crossings were largely by ocean liner (this didn't end until sometime in 1960's or so), ships gave generous cargo allowance. Things got better if you didn't need access to whatever during voyage so it could be stored deep in ship's hold.

Nowadays where nearly everything is by air things vary. Military, diplomatic and often corporate households receive decent to great allowances for moving things. This either by air or usually shipped in crate via that method or ship.


Post# 1129345 , Reply# 14   9/22/2021 at 21:19 (943 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

Unclejohn stated above that the machine is 110V 60Hz so it was made for the North American market, not a private import of a UK machine.

Post# 1129353 , Reply# 15   9/22/2021 at 21:44 (943 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Stand corrected then.

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That's me sorted.....*LOL*

Post# 1129370 , Reply# 16   9/23/2021 at 03:20 (943 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
Coronet

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Having checked back on our Which reports I have found a similar machine in their report from October 1967 - as noted above this machine was sold as a "Special" by several electricity supply authorities - the report notes that this model was also so as the Emelec that you have referenced above.

This was one of the cheaper machines on test (they were always low cost machine) so it could have been bought it by a department store chain as a low cost portable, apartment sized machine - which is what I meant as an "import special" above.

Its a simple machine. The good news is that, as it did not change much, spare parts are still possible as they were for my machine which is from about 10 years later :)

Sorry the pictures are not quite in order, the last photo is the first page of the report

Al


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Post# 1129371 , Reply# 17   9/23/2021 at 03:45 (943 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Rolls - John Bloom

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Fabulous find UncleJohn, youve hit the jackpot with rare twinnys over the pond. Now I wonder if it has 2 motors or the one with one belt drive ? looking forward to the pics inside and out .

Heres one we repaired a few years ago as the water seals had all perished along with the pipes but we used car track rod end boot covers and cut to shape etc, worked a treat !!.

Enjoy !!


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Post# 1129375 , Reply# 18   9/23/2021 at 05:24 (943 days old) by unclejohn (Can)        

Thank you, Keith (Keymatic), for the infos regarding the Emelec notably (and, yes, for that picture...) Every bit of extra information is precious!

Yes, wish to take some pics of it asap (will have first to meet the friend with that 'good' camera...)

A big Thank You as well to Launderess, as well as Al (vacbear58), Mike, Austin and Chris (gizmo), for also providing their fair share of infos - incl. tech stuff. The Which report was (and still is) a great tool for comparisons between different types of designs, etc., all this vis-a-vis the viewpoint of the consumer.

I confirm: the mention CSA (Canadian Standard Association, the canadian equivalent to UL) is printed on the metal data plate located behind the machine, plus the 60 cycles 110 V (instead of 240 typical of EU) numbers. An "export" of some sort? Just perhaps like the Hoover my mom had in the late 60s, model 0500, a Hoovermatic 3334A without the 'matic' (please refer to link)


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Post# 1129376 , Reply# 19   9/23/2021 at 05:35 (942 days old) by unclejohn (Can)        
The two tubs of that Rolls ...

... resemble quite a lot the Emelec / Concorde thing, indeed.

Btw: Thx for sharing, Mike, the photos of the work inside the machine.
I note there were some similitudes with the then prevalent Hoovermatic designs.
Otherwise, a different sort of beast (motors, etc.).



Post# 1129377 , Reply# 20   9/23/2021 at 05:37 (942 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
@vacbear

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Al I have never encountered a Latham, Where are they from ?

Austin


Post# 1129381 , Reply# 21   9/23/2021 at 06:00 (942 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
Latham

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Austin

Going by the Which report which references them also being sold as Duomatic I am presuming they are similar in concept but more directly related the the earlier Dutch design. If you refer back to the extensive twin tub thread a while back it emerged that there were two designs, superficially similar but rather different under the hood. Duomatic was a much smaller company than Rolls and may well have sourced their machines from Holland. They also sold a couple of low priced autos

Al


Post# 1129382 , Reply# 22   9/23/2021 at 06:04 (942 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        

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Thank you Al

Post# 1129514 , Reply# 23   9/24/2021 at 19:22 (941 days old) by unclejohn (Can)        
Pictures, as promised !

First of all, the Hoover twinnie ...

... Which i bought from the same guy who sold me the A50, last year...
... And, also, the newly acquired British beauty discussed on this page.

This unit will benefit from a fresh new paint, someday (top deck and tubs are in fine shape though)



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Post# 1129516 , Reply# 24   9/24/2021 at 19:26 (941 days old) by unclejohn (Can)        
And now, drum roll ... ...

The latest addition, but not the least, to my twinnie collection :

Concorde Model 172



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Post# 1129518 , Reply# 25   9/24/2021 at 19:32 (941 days old) by unclejohn (Can)        
Concorde Model 172 from Great Britain to Canada

The only piece that is missing is the wash setting knob (?)

Will try my luck at finding a suitable replacement at the
nearby flea markets, antiques, garage sales, etc.
(unless someone on AW has a spare, that would fit, to get rid of...)



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Post# 1129520 , Reply# 26   9/24/2021 at 19:36 (941 days old) by unclejohn (Can)        
Concorde Model 172

Made in the U.K. for the Canadian market.
I wonder if some of those were equally sold
in the U.S. (most probably continental Europe)
(??)



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Post# 1129522 , Reply# 27   9/24/2021 at 19:40 (941 days old) by unclejohn (Can)        
Concorde Model 172


Of all the twinnies I've had, this one is the most interesting.




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Post# 1129524 , Reply# 28   9/24/2021 at 19:44 (941 days old) by unclejohn (Can)        
Concorde Model 172


Can you tell me where are the "money shots" ??




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Post# 1129526 , Reply# 29   9/24/2021 at 19:45 (941 days old) by unclejohn (Can)        
Concorde Model 172



Spin dryer



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Post# 1129527 , Reply# 30   9/24/2021 at 19:46 (941 days old) by unclejohn (Can)        
Concorde Model 172



Wash tub




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Post# 1129530 , Reply# 31   9/24/2021 at 19:55 (941 days old) by unclejohn (Can)        
Concorde Model 172

Front located control panel :
beautiful black and gold color finishes
with gold lettering (is that really en or ?)
Anyhow i knew that machine was pure gold ...

alas the photo doesn't do justice to the stark beauty of that design


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Post# 1129531 , Reply# 32   9/24/2021 at 19:58 (941 days old) by unclejohn (Can)        
Concorde Model 172



Looking under: motors, etc. ...



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Post# 1129532 , Reply# 33   9/24/2021 at 20:00 (941 days old) by unclejohn (Can)        
Concorde Model 172


Yet still more motors (spin side)




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Post# 1129541 , Reply# 34   9/24/2021 at 22:08 (941 days old) by unclejohn (Can)        
Concorde Model 172


Back data plate




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Post# 1129547 , Reply# 35   9/25/2021 at 02:40 (941 days old) by Chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Rolls Concorde

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Wow you did strike gold in more ways than one UncleJohn, what a beauty , in great condition , with 2 motors that look in good nic .

And have never seen the neat extras on the back with cord compartment and waste drain outlet that you clamp a drain hose on to.

Now for the check over and water testing then the fun part , using it. Enjoy your treasure trove find. 👍👍


Post# 1129549 , Reply# 36   9/25/2021 at 03:06 (941 days old) by Keymatic (London / UK)        

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Hey John,
Great machine, luv the the concealed back units, drain hose exit & cable tidy !!
I have one of those control panels, it came in a box of bits years ago.
Word of warning, be careful when you lean or tip the machine over, the rubber suspension mounts on the spinner are very flimsy & weak and due to the age would break very easy, they are replaceable but a bit of a bugger to get to !! I’ve had several break over the years. Good luck & have fun !!
Keith


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Post# 1129565 , Reply# 37   9/25/2021 at 11:34 (940 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi John.

Congrats on the new acquisitions, particularly on the Tallent Concorde. As Mike mentions above, it does look to be in good condition. Hope you are able to power it up soon.

Tallent Engineering is the company that either a) acquired the rights to the Rolls design twin tubs and continued building them for a while or b) bought up the stock of components and unsold machine and continued to sell them until the stocks ran out.

As to which it is, I don't know, but your machine is definitely a Rolls Concorde although I have noticed something a bit different about your machine when compared to every UK based Concorde that I have ever seen - your machine has 2 buttons, whilst every UK based machine that I have seen an image of has 3 buttons.

Not an expert on these machines at all, so is anyone able to confirm what these buttons do and what the third button on UK machines is for?

I have attached two images of a spreadsheet (yes another one!) that I have been working for the last couple of years, showing details of Rolls and Tallent machines with the years based on when they were being advertised in the press.
Somewhere along the way I have seen described the existence of a 'Concorde' and a 'Concorde De Luxe' and presumed that all the regular UK based 3 button machines were the standard models and that there is some fabled de luxe model that I have yet to find an image of.
Could it be though that the 3 button machines were/are the deluxe version, whilst the 2 button model that you have found John is the standard? Would be interested to know peoples thoughts.

Re the Tallent image, there were apparently three models offered in the UK - W151, W152 and w153, the latter with rectangular lids - presumably our W153 will be the 'de luxe' version of your W172.

Thanks for introducing us to your W172 - very interesting that Tallent made models for export.

Regards
Paul


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Post# 1129567 , Reply# 38   9/25/2021 at 11:40 (940 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

p.s attached a photo of the UK 3 button Rolls Concorde - ours had round lids - and also some images for the TallenTwin, which was previously the Rolls Rapide.

Another question - does anyone know if the TallenTwin is a W151 or a W152?

p.p.s apologies to John for hijacking this thread a little.

Paul


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Post# 1129594 , Reply# 39   9/25/2021 at 17:48 (940 days old) by unclejohn (Can)        
Thanks for all the comments !

Indeed, Mike, never saw one drain hose setup like that before. Of all the t.t. i've found this one's definitely the most fascinating. First time i see one here at home so i figure that must be kinda rather scarce.

Thank you for the advice, Keith; i will take care! Yep, the (door-less) cable tidy reminds a bit one of the earliest Hoovermatic designs a la 3374, 3334, etc. If ever you happen to depart the NOS control panel, please remind that i would be certainly interested and could offer some good amount of money for it! Btw, the Rolls spinner diagram is very revealing as to the mechanical concept behind those machines.

A big "merci" to you as well, Paul, for the informations. Tried to power it up and, as far as things go, the spinner runs fast and smoothly; the wash disc seems a bit difficult to turn by hand, even the pulley down below is somehow quite a bit hard to rotate manually. My guess as for the front located push buttons is that the third one on the UK machines could be for some sort of heater down the wash tub, whilst in North America i know of no twin tub provided with heat option in mind.

I see that the small plastic-made lid handle and metal hinge of this handsome Rolls Concorde in your picture are completely identical to what's on my machine. Cool! : )


Post# 1129600 , Reply# 40   9/25/2021 at 19:44 (940 days old) by Washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i)        

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Love my Hoover! Not sure of the exact vintage…guessing early 70s? Works like a charm and can’t believe the amazing washing action and spin water extraction! Really fun to play with and gets things really clean!

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Post# 1129604 , Reply# 41   9/25/2021 at 22:03 (940 days old) by unclejohn (Can)        
Wow !



Lucky guy, Todd, your lil Hoov looks Like New. Wish mine's would be half that clean! Anyway, happy to have one as these models have become now far more difficult to find


Post# 1129608 , Reply# 42   9/25/2021 at 23:03 (940 days old) by unclejohn (Can)        
Rock and Rolls

In case you didn't know, here's an interesting video about the famous Rolls Rapide washer - see link:

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Post# 1129609 , Reply# 43   9/25/2021 at 23:08 (940 days old) by unclejohn (Can)        
John Bloom's Rolls Razor

Here, in this web page, the 'washing machine' paragraph almost tells it all:

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