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Post# 1131158   10/15/2021 at 07:29 (920 days old) by joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        

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I had to.  They're on sale at Home Depot, Lowe's and Best Buy as of this post.  HD's the cheapest.  Possibly bowing to pressure from the boutique brands, you have to search Home Depot with the phrase "frigidaire induction range".  "Induction range" shows only the thousand-bucks-and-up models.

 

Oh, and the No-Boil Baked Southwestern Whole Wheat Spaghetti Bolognese came out perfect.



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Post# 1131166 , Reply# 1   10/15/2021 at 10:36 (920 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Congratulations Joe. Induction is the way to go for electric cooktop cooking.

Post# 1131168 , Reply# 2   10/15/2021 at 11:05 (920 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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You'll love it. I'd never willingly go back to a regular electric stove and gas was never even in the equation. It's somewhat puzzling that the mfrs and retailers in N.America still haven't stepped up their game. They need to offer more models in the lower price bracket like that or my GE.. because other than those two, the prices skyrocket to near double and more solely because they have front controls/slide in where they're matching mid to high end gas stoves.

Post# 1131169 , Reply# 3   10/15/2021 at 11:29 (920 days old) by Joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        

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From Day One I always wondered who would bring Induction to The People. Turns out it’s Electrolux via Frigidaire.


Post# 1131179 , Reply# 4   10/15/2021 at 16:00 (920 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
When I bought my range

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It was now seven years ago. I wanted an Induction range at the time, but my checkbook said no. They wanted almost $3k for some of them on the floor. That and at the time I didn't have induction ready cookware.

I now have Calphalon Induction cookware, and no induction range, but I did get an induction hot plate that I love.

This shows that they are evolving to be more middle income accessible. Maybe my next purchase, if I live that long. . .

Oh-and, nice looking range btw. Does it have convection in the oven?


Post# 1131183 , Reply# 5   10/15/2021 at 17:03 (920 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Very nice - looks like a nice range.  There is a slide-in model, NIB on FB Marketplace locally - $400 less than even the Home Depot sale price.  

 

And now this... Temptation!  :-)

 

Enjoy the new range and keep us posted on how you like it.

 

 


Post# 1131184 , Reply# 6   10/15/2021 at 17:18 (920 days old) by joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        
"Does it have convection in the oven?"

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Convection and Air-Fry.  And, yes, I did it.  Doesn't everyone?  Isn't it some sort of initiation rite?


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Post# 1131187 , Reply# 7   10/15/2021 at 17:52 (920 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Nice Range

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This range is also sold by Ikea usually for around  $1,200 including a 5 year P&L warranty.

 

Indeed the main reason induction has not caught on in the US is manufactures usually only have one model available and you can't get a white or all black model.

 

John L.


Post# 1131207 , Reply# 8   10/15/2021 at 23:53 (920 days old) by sarahperdue (Alabama)        
3 + 1

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I'll be waiting for induction manufacturers to take a cue from Corning cooktops and make a 3 induction + 1 conventional burner so I can use my Corning Cookmates.

Post# 1131208 , Reply# 9   10/16/2021 at 00:07 (920 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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Sarah.. Actually Samsung did have just that, a 3+1 a few years ago but I think it was discontinued.. It's what I would really have liked as well for the same reasons. My GE has a 5th but small warming burner that is not induction but that's all it's really good for,keeping a pot warm.

Post# 1131209 , Reply# 10   10/16/2021 at 00:19 (920 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        

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Several companies have built Induction Cook-Tops with 2+2 two induction two radiant like Jenn-Air.

 

And you can always add a two element radiant CT near you induction range so older cookware can be used sort like I did when we did our kitchen 33 years ago and as much as I love induction for its fast control and easy clean-up I still do at least 1/4 of our cooking on the regular Hi-Output 2700 and 1500 watt coils.

 

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Post# 1131229 , Reply# 11   10/16/2021 at 10:09 (919 days old) by joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        
Frigidaire's One-Two Punch

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In their "That's Using Your Frigidaire" ad campaign, Frigidaire is spotlighting induction and Air-Fry.  All of their induction stoves include Air-Fry and convection ovens.  If it succeeds well enough for them to go from niche marketer to at least the Top Five, it could spur the rest to crank out induction stoves priced for the masses.

 

Never a dull moment in the appliance biz.


Post# 1131237 , Reply# 12   10/16/2021 at 11:59 (919 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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There are modular systems here that give you the option to combine the different heat options. Ceramic, gas and induction are available and sometimes a wok burner in gas. They aren't very popular I believe, but great for versatility. Ikea used to have them in their cooktop line, but the ceramic one has disappeared. I guess that one wasn't too popular. The European Ikea appliances are mostly Electrolux products.

I noticed those modular systems are rare in the US. Perhaps a marketing mistake?


Post# 1131266 , Reply# 13   10/16/2021 at 20:11 (919 days old) by iej (.... )        

Once you go induction, you’ll never go back!

Post# 1131267 , Reply# 14   10/16/2021 at 20:46 (919 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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The big problem with induction is that it obsoletes cookware that doesn't have a ferrous composition: glass, aluminum, probably copper too. True, you can use a steel plate under the non-ferrous cookthing, but that sort of defeats the whole purpose, IMHO.

Me? I prefer gas for cooking.

Maybe I'm just stubborn.


Post# 1131270 , Reply# 15   10/16/2021 at 21:29 (919 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        

Certainly nothing new. My mom's friend Faye got a Westinghouse induction cooktop sometime in the early 70's; I have no idea if she still has it, or not. Will ask the next time I see her.

 

I read that the technology was being promoted as early as the 1933 Chicago World's Fair by Frigidaire, and that they had done demonstrations of it in the 50's.


Post# 1131286 , Reply# 16   10/17/2021 at 07:53 (918 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Westinghouse showed a two unit induction cooktop at the 1971 Atlanta Home show. I don't know if I have any literature for it.

Post# 1131291 , Reply# 17   10/17/2021 at 09:01 (918 days old) by joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        
''Westinghouse showed a two unit induction cooktop .

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. . . at the 1971 Atlanta Home show."
 
And therein lies the mystery of the slow uptake.  Microwave ovens started off as pricey gadgets and the prices soon dropped like a stone.  You can buy a 1,000-watt+ microwave oven for less than the price of a countertop convection oven.  Maybe even two.  How long did it take for prices to drop so much?  Twenty or so years?  About the time it took for TV to become commonplace?
 
Like an induction stove, microwave ovens are limited to only certain cookware and bakeware materials, so that becomes a moot point.
 
Forty years into The Induction Era, and Frigidaire is the only brand with an MSRP of less than two or three grand.  With some states considering bans on gas appliances in new homes, now's the time for the rest of the biz to jump on board.




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Post# 1131292 , Reply# 18   10/17/2021 at 09:31 (918 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Microwave ovens came out in 1955

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And because they were only built-in and used 240 volts and cost $1,500 they never sold well till counter-top models started to appear in the later 60s that did not need to be built-in and operated on 120 volts and cost around $500.

 

Induction never sold well because the appliance manufactures really only sold BI CTs that needed 240 volts, consumers were not that interested in investing in something that expensive that had to be built in.

 

Only Roper in the late 70s sold a 30" free standing induction range and Sears also sold one briefly around 1986-7, both of these sold for around $1000 at the time.

 

I blame appliance manufactures for the slow roll out of induction cooking in this country, I do however feel that it will eventually be the best selling type of range in this country in about 10-20 years, Electric ranges already out sell gas ranges 3 to 1 in the US so the change to induction is easy for most homes.

 

There is no reason an induction range needs to cost more than about $200 more that a standard smooth-top range.

 

Reliability of induction is still unknown, my Sanyo built 1987 KM induction has never missed a beat so it probably did better than even a standard electric CT considering how much it has been used.

 

We have seen some big repair costs on a hand full of newer induction CTs and ranges, I had one customer on Capital Hill last year whose 4 YO Frigidaire induction range blew a main board and the repair cost was going to be around $700 so he just bought another FD induction because He absolutely loved it and would never go back to gas he said.

 

John L.


Post# 1131297 , Reply# 19   10/17/2021 at 11:27 (918 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

The EU had a massive drop in pricing for induction over the past 15 years or so.
You can get a 4 unit cooktop with decent performance as low as 200€ now.
Compared to twice that approximately 8 years or so.


Main reason it took so long for induction to come down in price is semiconductor technology.
The switching power supplies in induction cookers need quite high performance semiconductor technology to be efficient.
That didn't become cheap until semiconductor technology advanced.

Microwaves got cheap because radar technology became cheap in the same time.
Same here.

Now why they don't aim at the low end market I don't know.



On the topic of makeing certain cookware obsolete, I don't know if it is as large of a problem.

My mum had 1 single dish she no longer could use, and that was only used for reheating anyways.

And if there is a dish that you can't use by itself, using an adapter plate basically just turns your induction cooktop into a regular cooktop temporarily.
So not really a downgrade either.


Post# 1131298 , Reply# 20   10/17/2021 at 11:49 (918 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

The seventies were a terrible time economically for our country and the world. Yes, microwave cooking made gains, but a lot of businesses did not do well with the inflation and recession "Stagflation" brought on by the oil shock to the economy. Induction was not a needed cooking technology. It did not give us 40 second hot dogs like a microwave cooker. Then we went into the 80s where Yuppies had to have huge commercial gas stoves in their kitchens and a ceiling full of Calphalon so it was hard to find a market for induction.

Post# 1131313 , Reply# 21   10/17/2021 at 16:50 (918 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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Post# 1131320 , Reply# 22   10/17/2021 at 17:26 (918 days old) by joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        
Love those Sears catalog listings . . .

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. . . and the tried 'n' true adjectives like revolutionary, outstanding, kitchen-tested, special and unique.

 


Post# 1131323 , Reply# 23   10/17/2021 at 18:36 (918 days old) by joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        
"Didn't I say we should wait a few years . . .

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. . . and see if prices come down?  DIDN'T I?!"



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Post# 1131324 , Reply# 24   10/17/2021 at 18:36 (918 days old) by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        

A friend got offered an induction hotplate and became a convert in that induction's the only electric cooking he'll pay his own money for. I tried it a few times and now think the same. When I design my own kitchen with 36" high counters I'll have 2 gas burners that work during a power failure and two inductions burners.

Post# 1131334 , Reply# 25   10/17/2021 at 20:30 (918 days old) by iej (.... )        

@Turbomatic:

Induction technology was possible in the 1970s / 80s and companies like De Dietrich sold induction appliances, but they were E X P E N S I V E and very niche because the technology required to make fast oscillating currents was complex and very pricy.

The same kind of chip-based solid state technologies that provide modern washing machines with infinite variable speed drives (by changing frequency of power) at reasonable price are quite similar to what provide induction cooktops / hobs with the high frequencies they need to produce fields.

The ubiquity of induction in the 2000s is entirely down to that. The technology is practical and much cheaper to produce due to a major break through in solid state, semiconductor technologies.


Post# 1131567 , Reply# 26   10/21/2021 at 06:28 (914 days old) by joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        
Price update:

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Thursday 10/21/21:

Still on sale at Lowe's and Best Buy.

 

That is all.

 

KEEP CALM

and

USE POWER BOOST

WHEN NEEDED


Post# 1132161 , Reply# 27   10/28/2021 at 08:19 (907 days old) by joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        
Price update:

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Thursday 10/28/21:

 

Seems Lowe's and Home Depot are leveraging their ability to deliver well before Thanksgiving and have raised the price to $1,259.00.  Best Buy is still $999.00 but around here (Riverside/San Bernardino counties), it won't get to the kitchen until the end of November.

 




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Post# 1132208 , Reply# 28   10/28/2021 at 16:29 (907 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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THe price for it also went up at Lowes here in Canada.. It used to be about $1400 CDN but on sale for less. Now it's $1695 reg price. THe same stove is sold at IKEA here for $1199. www.ikea.com/ca/en/p/tvae...

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Post# 1132210 , Reply# 29   10/28/2021 at 17:50 (907 days old) by joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        
This just in:

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Lowe's price is "too low to show, add item to cart to see it."

 

$999.00


Post# 1132280 , Reply# 30   10/29/2021 at 15:34 (906 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
IKEA

If it is the exact same thing, it should be a good deal since it includes a 5 year warranty.

US IKEA has the same offer:
www.ikea.com/us/en/p/tvae...


Post# 1132283 , Reply# 31   10/29/2021 at 17:01 (906 days old) by joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        

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IKEA model lacks Air Fry.  Otherwise, identical.


Post# 1132319 , Reply# 32   10/30/2021 at 02:23 (906 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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I air-fry in my GE just using the convection setting and a 9x13 ish wire basket to lay the food one. Frozen fries in 17 minutes with no preheating.. What exactly does the Frigidaire air fryer actually do that the IKEA might not?

Actually hubby wanted one of those new air fryers because he was visiting his friend last month in Nova Scotia who had one.. So we have one of them now and I've been using it for fries and things. It takes about the same amount of time. I'll continue using it over the oven because it's probaby less expensive to operate and it may help in saving my stove not wearing out or going wonky .


Post# 1132491 , Reply# 33   11/1/2021 at 15:50 (903 days old) by joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        
Indeed the main reason induction has not caught on in the US

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. . . is manufactures usually only have one model available and you can't get a white or all black model.

 

Mocked up a white one.  Stylistically, it works.  Emailed the suggestion to Frigidaire.  Now let's see if they use THEIR Frigidaire.

 


Post# 1132671 , Reply# 34   11/4/2021 at 10:45 (900 days old) by joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        
Quick price update:

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Under a thousand dollars at both Home Depot and Lowe's with delivery in time to make Thanksgiving dinner.


Post# 1132823 , Reply# 35   11/6/2021 at 13:57 (898 days old) by fisherpaykel (BC Canada)        
Air Fry. versus Convection on Frigidaire induction stove

Hi Joe would you please do a test listen to find out if Air fry has a higher fan speed than convection bake. My 10 year old this month Electrolux slide in induction stove , purchased at Sears outlet as customer used return for 1/3 reg price, has a higher fan speed for convection roast and convection broil. They didn’t use the AirFry term back then. As an alternative to cooking on a paper towel you could cut from a cheap solid colour silicone baking sheet three small circles or other shapes to arrange as a tripod over perimeter of each burner to avoid pot movement and scratches on the ceramic glass top, I learned this from poster “Kaseki “ on ths.gardenweb/ now Houzz, works great and one sheet gives lifetime replacement supply as they eventually darken and scorch, they also keep the glass top cooler from the hot pot. Are you finding the cooktop performance totally to your liking? I agree that Frigidaire should be thanked and supported for bringing induction stoves to lower price point. I wouldn’t have bought except for finding almost new at bargain price.

Post# 1132824 , Reply# 36   11/6/2021 at 14:32 (898 days old) by sarahperdue (Alabama)        
And the truth comes out

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Fascinating thread. I have to confess, that even with the options for mixing technology, I'm going to be sticking with the 30" 5 burner Thermador that John refurbished for me.

I had an induction hot plate for a while and wasn't completely wowed by it. That was around 2007.

However, I am open to new information. How do they compare efficiency wise? I suppose I could look that up myself.

Sarah


Post# 1132831 , Reply# 37   11/6/2021 at 16:33 (898 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Hello Sarah!

I use two induction units, (3000 and 3500 watts) beside regular electric ranges for the reason of super efficient starts for cooking operations. I have never experienced difficulty controlling electric surface units, but forcing heat from a surface unit outside the pan is not as efficient as creating heat inside the pan itself, to say nothing of the speed of using a 3000 watt source of energy to create that heat inside of the pan or pot instead of a typical 1250 to 1600 watt 6 inch resistance heating element or up to a 3000 watt resistance unit for a larger pan. While the efficiency of an electric element is higher than a gas burner where the heat is rising up the sides of the pan, it is still less efficient to force heat into the bottom of a pan from a surface unit operating at full output than to create heat in the pan with an even more efficient energy source. This way, once a pan of frozen vegetables is boiling after just 2 to 4 minutes on the induction unit, it can be transferred to a classic Radiantube, Corox or Calrod set to low or simmer which also reduces stress on the older range parts. Most of the time, frying operations are just done on the resistance units. Because I use angel hair pasta, once the water is boiling on the induction unit, I add the pasta and turn down the heat because the pasta cooks in about 3 minutes. The pressure cookers come up to full pressure amazingly fast on induction, too. So there can be a role for for both methods.




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Post# 1132832 , Reply# 38   11/6/2021 at 16:53 (898 days old) by joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        
"Air Fry. versus Convection on Frigidaire induction"

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In Air-Fry the fan runs at full speed from preheat to finish.  When finished, the instructions recommend turning off the oven and standing to one side when opening the oven door.  Ditto for cracking the oven to check doneness.  In any mode, the oven light door switch pauses the fan.  In convection baking, the fan runs slower and cycles off and on from time to time.

 

Boiling water on a napkin was just the mandatory parlor trick.  I baby my appliances.  Oh, and EuroKera's website says to use a metal scraper to remove that first layer of burned on stuff from radiant cooktops.


Post# 1132911 , Reply# 39   11/7/2021 at 16:40 (897 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Putting A Silicone Shield Under Pots On An Induction CT

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I would not advise doing this and I am sure the range maker does not recommend it either.

 

Lifting the pot up slightly will make the over-temperature cut-off feature less sensitive and may also result in melting or burning the silicone shield not only making a mess on the CT and pan but producing toxic fumes as well.

 

My ICT looks like new after 33 years of pretty heavy use and barely has the slightest scratch or mark on the cooking surface, the Ceran glass is very durable and scratch resistant.

 

John L.


Post# 1132980 , Reply# 40   11/8/2021 at 13:04 (896 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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I hear a frequent comment of scratching on glass/ceramic cooktops both induction and resistance. I think it is most often used by the pro gas folks to try to disqualify any form of cooking other than an open fire with cast iron grates. Glass/Ceramic is as hard or harder than any cookware you place on it so it shouldn't ever scratch under normal use as long as it's kept clean. I suppose if one had sand on the cooktop and ground a cast iron skillet into it. I use single edge razor blades on my glass resistance cook top and they never scratch nor has any of my cookware.

Efficiency of induction vs resistance will be somewhat higher. The heat is more focused in the cookware with induction but there is some loss in the electronics and the coils. Of course for the energy you pay for gas is the lowest efficiency. It would be interesting to know what the total efficiency for electric vs gas cooking is taking into account generation and transmission losses. But in the grand scheme of things us home cooks really don't use that much energy to cook no matter the source.



Post# 1133237 , Reply# 41   11/11/2021 at 13:14 (893 days old) by sarahperdue (Alabama)        
Thanks

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Thanks Tom,

I will definitely consider installing a small induction burner next to the traditional electric cooktop. Do they generally use 110 or 220 power?

Best,
Sarah


Post# 1133243 , Reply# 42   11/11/2021 at 13:42 (893 days old) by joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        
Do they generally use 110 or 220 power?

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Consumer models are 110V.

Commercial models are 220V.

Maximum power varies by model but is generally 1800 watts for 110V, 3500 watts for 220V.


Post# 1133264 , Reply# 43   11/11/2021 at 17:36 (893 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        
I haven't tried induction yet

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However, this summer I got a new, and much loved and used, AIR FRYER oven.  w4

 

My life is forever changed. lol

 

I wasn't even specifically looking for an air fryer oven, I was only looking to replace my old portable oven but thought why don't I try this air fry feature that I've heard about.  I had no idea what all the hoopla was.

 

I ordered it online and during the shipping time I watched some vids on how to use it and by the time it arrived I was so excited to try it.

 

Perfect food in half the time.  I haven't even tried all the recipes you see in the videos.  Just making the things I usually do is incredible.  I feel as though I'm a junior chef now.   lol.  Best $90 I've ever spent on a cooking appliance.  And so easy to keep clean.


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Post# 1133267 , Reply# 44   11/11/2021 at 18:00 (893 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        
As for induction cook top

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It seems like it's a great idea. 

 

Here's my stove.  I actually have two.  They both work fine but I haven't had the need for one of them for at least six months so its in the cabinet.  I mainly use it to melt butter for popcorn, sometimes make soup or beans, and sometimes to boil water for rice. 

 

Last winter, while in Florida, there were 3 nights when the temp was going to go below freezing.  I wanted to keep my potted plants from freezing so I put the plants under the patio table, put a tarp over it making a tent, and put one of these under there on low to keep it warm. And it worked.

 

I'd love to try the induction but: I don't think I can use my copper bottom Revere Ware pans on that from what I've read.  Also, how does it do with melting butter?  I can't have scorched butter.


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Post# 1133278 , Reply# 45   11/11/2021 at 18:51 (893 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Induction doesn't work with copper bottomed Rever Ware. I had to get rid of all mine hen I got the new stove.

Post# 1133282 , Reply# 46   11/11/2021 at 19:24 (893 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        
Good news and hopefully not bad news Bob

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Just posed the question to our old friend Google and like the know-it-all our non-binary friend seems to be, it gave me what you see below.

 

I hope Bob that by "get rid of" your pans you meant box them up and put them in the garage.

 

Apparently, if one has a "converter disk" they can then use their non-metalic metal cookware.  I just checked and my pans fail the magnet test so if I'm going to keep them (yes I certain will as they aren't made anymore and are apparently going up in value) I would need to get a disk to make them work.  

 

I grew up with pans like these.  I think I've always had revere ware and except for an embarrassing  "Visions" experiment in my early 20s, I've never swayed from my revere ware.  Visions- It looked cool in the commercial but everything stuck to it and it scratched and distorted easy too.  


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Post# 1133283 , Reply# 47   11/11/2021 at 19:34 (893 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        
induction burner for $50

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It seems like I've seen them for even less.

 

I think though I could do double duty with this.  It could also work as a drone heli-pad.  What do you think?smile


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Post# 1133288 , Reply# 48   11/11/2021 at 20:58 (893 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Yes, I boxed them up, but I got a nice tax deduction for donating them to Good Will. I knew they wouldn't work with induction and my opting for induction also involved safety as I got oolder and dealing with an induction disc under Reveware wasn't something I wanted to deal with, especially needing 2-4 burners simultaneously. And I"d had some pieces for 40 years at that point and I was getting tired of them and there were some sentimental pieces that my cousin didn't want of her grandmother's either. I love my Cuisinart MultiClad Pro never felt that way about my Revereware. It was a reasonablely price SS type of cookware that wasn't nonstick, which I detested.

Post# 1133355 , Reply# 49   11/12/2021 at 15:37 (892 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Hello Sarah!
Have 20 amp 120 volt circuits run for anyplace you might want to use a 120 volt induction cooker. I was extremely lucky in that the people who redid my kitchen put in many duplex outlets above the counters with 4 outlets in each one and each of the 4 outlets is on its own 20 amp 120 volt circuit. Wonder worker Jeff_Adelphi wired my 240 volt outlet for the 3000 watt cooker from the legs of the terminal block in the back of my range. All I had to do was hold it at an angle to keep it from falling forward.

Have a wonderful weekend.


Post# 1134825 , Reply# 50   11/28/2021 at 22:36 (876 days old) by Superwash (Cape Coral, FL)        

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A few years ago, a friend loaned me a Nuwave induction cooktop. I used it once and was hooked after that. So much so, that 4 years ago I purchased a Frigidaire professional induction range. It was too expensive to install a gas line into the kitchen for a gas range, so this was my alternative. I am hooked on induction ranges. We sold the house that had the Frigidaire professional when we moved here to Florida. I replaced the Samsung electric glass cooktop with another Frigidaire, this time the gallery model. It's not as nice as the professional, but it still works pretty well.

Induction is the way to go if you were unable to have a gas range.


Post# 1134829 , Reply# 51   11/28/2021 at 23:52 (876 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Induction was the only choice as far as I was concerned being in an all-electric house.
I held onto the original 1984 Hotpoint range until induction arrived on the scene, I really didn't want radiant heat glass top. Induction is so much safer too. I just wish Frigidaire offered another alternative to double oven induction ranges aside from GE and KitchenAid. Mike, that's qite a change from Nashville to Florida!!


Post# 1134832 , Reply# 52   11/29/2021 at 06:29 (875 days old) by joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        
Split-mini A/C and ceiling fans . . .

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. . . play well with induction stoves and cooktops.  A cooler kitchen and no danger of blowing out a gas flame.  That's why we went with it.


Post# 1134936 , Reply# 53   12/1/2021 at 06:44 (873 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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Still using my Duxtop 1800W cooktop.  I'm not sure how many years it's been...5 maybe?  Tony got hurt in '17 and I had it before then.  I'm toying with running a 240V plug-in.  For our Thanksgiving meal we had to resort to using the 5 gas burners...too many things to do at once.  But I now have the black cutting board top back on the surface to cover the burners and keep the stove top clean.  It also gives me more usable counter space when not using the gas burners.


Post# 1134947 , Reply# 54   12/1/2021 at 08:17 (873 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
240V

We do have these induction hot plates aswell over here, but a fully managed fully equiped stove is an entirely differnt beast.

Having up to 3.6kW for single cooking item is quite a difference.


Post# 1134949 , Reply# 55   12/1/2021 at 08:44 (873 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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I've considered buying one of those high power (3600 Watts) burners but decided against it. My four burner single phase has a booster function that can be used on one burner only. The manual doesn't say anything about the power with that function. However it must be close to 3000 Watts. And I also have a single Ikea 2000 Watts burner. Given the fact that induction is way more efficient than traditional burners it's more than adequate. Even when suitable for induction, too much power can still damage a pot when used on too much heat. Some shops with cooking utensils warn against the use of a booster function. A lot of power is nice, to have available but in a lot of cases to be avoided too.

Post# 1134950 , Reply# 56   12/1/2021 at 08:45 (873 days old) by Joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        
Frigidaire price update for fellow Yanks . . .

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Still about a grand ($1,000.00) at the usual places: Home Depot, Lowe’s and Best Buy.


Post# 1134961 , Reply# 57   12/1/2021 at 13:29 (873 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

A lot of manufacturers warn against heating empty cookware on the booster function.

But having the ability to is still amazing, especially in the US where heating water is apparently a kind of science since you don't have kettles.


Post# 1134965 , Reply# 58   12/1/2021 at 13:43 (873 days old) by joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        
Darn! Should have waited!

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Post# 1135029 , Reply# 59   12/1/2021 at 23:10 (873 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        
But WHY?

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It doesn't even fit in the spot for a traditional 30" stove.


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Post# 1135034 , Reply# 60   12/1/2021 at 23:31 (873 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        

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Realized today on the way home from grocery shopping and passing a Wendy's, since I got my air-fry oven back in July I haven't stopped at any fast food restaurants since.

 

In the past I would maybe stop twice a month and get something minor. 

 

It's changed me.   Why would I want to eat their bland stuff  now when I've been custom making really good stuff at home.

 

These taste just like McD fries in the air fryer but without the hot oil.


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Post# 1135046 , Reply# 61   12/2/2021 at 07:09 (872 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Professional Range ???

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Why, takes longer to pre-heat, takes more power, you have to bend over farther to use the oven, the large ovens don't self-clean worth a darn, no storage drawer, you have to get on the floor and clean under it every time you clean the kitchen floor.

 

If you have this kind of money to spend get a wall oven or two and a 36" cook-top if you want a larger CT.

 

John L.


Post# 1135047 , Reply# 62   12/2/2021 at 07:15 (872 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Frigidaire 30" Induction Ranges

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While I think these are a good buy we just had another customer that had to replace the range after only 4 years because of repair expense, 

 

The range needed a new ERC last year coming $450, this time one of the main induction modules failed potential cost of repair over $600 so they replaced it with another FD induction range.

 

In general the GE induction ranges are holding up much better than FD.

 

John L.


Post# 1135322 , Reply# 63   12/5/2021 at 09:25 (869 days old) by Joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        
Someone complained, falsely it seems . . .

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. . . that the black trim surrounding the cooktop and going up to the control panel on Frigidaire induction ranges is plastic prone to damage if a hot pan is dragged over it.

Magnets reveal the truth. It’s metal with what appears to be black powder coat.


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Post# 1135326 , Reply# 64   12/5/2021 at 10:10 (869 days old) by Maytagbear (N.E. Ohio)        
To, Joe!

Maybe I have not read thoroughly, but have you had success with the oven and broiler?


Does the broiler have a lo/hi setting?



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Post# 1135333 , Reply# 65   12/5/2021 at 11:16 (869 days old) by Joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        

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Haven’t used the broiler yet. Broiler has hi/lo settings and, contrary to what we’ve been told for at least a century about electric ovens, you broil with the oven door CLOSED.

Oven performs like a champ on the Bake setting with cold-start recipes like No-Boil Baked Pasta.  Takes about 12 to 13 minutes to hit 350F but the results are the same as with the old Hotpoint gasser that needed only 10 minutes.  Maybe the heat retention is better.  Both are/were self-cleaning.

 

Quick Preheat brings it to 400F in about 3 ½ minutes to spark a frozen pizza.

Air-Fry puts a nice crunch on frozen breaded chicken strips. The air fry tray comes out of the dishwasher sparkling. We use the bottom of a broiler pan on a lower shelf to catch drippings. Easy-Off Fume Free mops up any burned-on gunk on the catch pan.


Post# 1135339 , Reply# 66   12/5/2021 at 12:43 (869 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        
#63

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It used to be dressing up plastic to look like metal was a thing. Now it's the opposite?

The battle to deceive rages on.


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Post# 1135438 , Reply# 67   12/6/2021 at 08:53 (868 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

I would have said metal makes a whole lot more sense there.
Most induction cookers have a lot of shielding in them due to the high magnetic fields and the astounding amount of noisy switching electrics.

So you could either shield each module individually or all together in a big metal box.


Black powder coating probably because the metal they had to choose wasn't very nice looking or wouldn't handle the stress and wear of a cooktop well.


Post# 1135442 , Reply# 68   12/6/2021 at 10:35 (868 days old) by joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        
The IKEA version . . .

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. . . also has the black metal trim surrounding the burners, uh, heating elements, er, induction zones.

 

https://www.ikea.com/us/en/images/products/tvaersaeker-range-with-induction-cooktop-stainless-steel__1050232_pe844797_s5.jpg?f=xl


Post# 1135461 , Reply# 69   12/6/2021 at 15:34 (868 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        

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Does an induction "burner" actually make noise when running?

Post# 1135469 , Reply# 70   12/6/2021 at 16:19 (868 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA)        

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Speaking of the 30/36" cooktops (only)...is my suspicion correct that they're all coming off the same production line in China? There are some ridiculous name ones for $599, some vaguely recognizable names for $999, some rational names (Sharp, Fisher and Paykel) for $1399, some normal (Frigidaire) names for $1799, some luxury names (Viking) for $2599. Are there any differerences?

Post# 1135473 , Reply# 71   12/6/2021 at 16:41 (868 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        
theatrics on the appliance manufacturing line

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It's an old story. Is there ever really much difference between various different models in a manufacturers line-up?

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Post# 1135476 , Reply# 72   12/6/2021 at 17:34 (868 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
@jamiel

Can't say for sure, of course.

But it would make a whole lot of sense.
Just like any Intel processor comes off of the same line basically, induction cooking could work the same way.
Depending on what the manufacturer wants in term of average life span and/or price, parts are just swapped out.
The more you spend, the longer it lasts.

Best way to look out for that is software things.
Like how is the stepping of the power, how does it behave as you increase power.
Even stuff like the same error codes.


Post# 1135483 , Reply# 73   12/6/2021 at 18:05 (868 days old) by joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        
Does an induction "burner" . . .

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. . . actually make noise when running?

 

110V countertop cooktops have cooling fans that run from power-on to after shut off to cool the magnetic coil.  None of that heat actually gets to the pot or pan.  The fan noise is usually lower than the sound of a running microwave oven.

 

Cookware sometimes buzzes or rings, which is also true on 220V ranges and built-in cooktops.  It's the nature of the beast.  The cooling is quieter on a range or built-in especially at lower settings, possibly because the fans are buried under the cooktop.  Even on Power Boost on the Frigidaire, the cookware sound masks most of the cooling fan sound.  You really have to listen for it.

 

Feel free to chime in, fellow inductors!




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Post# 1135485 , Reply# 74   12/6/2021 at 18:27 (868 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        
"The more you spend, the longer it lasts."

Not in the USA.

The reality here is "The more you can charge for something, the merrier. The less it can last, also the merrier." It doesn't matter if it's a freaking expensive or silly cheap.

People love to say China is bad, China makes terrible quality products. Yes, China is famous for that, but that is not a strict rule and a lot has changed. China is doing their homework.

The reality is several appliances made in China actually last much longer than the sisters made in USA.

An example: Magic Chef top load washers vs Whirlpool top load washers.

The "Chinese crap" surprisingly does what a washer should do. It washes VERY decently, It's gentle on clothes, it rinses properly. More surprised you'll be when you realize those "crappy" washers last average three times more than a Whirlpool washer that comes with a "Made in America" sticker...

Last year I sold my Magic Chef washer and now I regret only 1.6 cu ft capacity of HIGH QUALITY. It was my very first washer here in the USA when I was still living at Extended Stay America in Dallas, before renting an apartment.

In 5 years it NEVER failed, it never had a hiccup, nothing...

The person who bought is is VERY happy, the washer (and the matching dryer) keep going strong. They're simple, they're not full of bells and whistles, but they WORK and the little they do, they do it right.

When it arrived, I wasn't expecting much. I just needed a bigger washer to wash my uniform every day That Magic Chef fit as a glove to my needs at that time and it was inexpensive. Purchased at Walmart if I'm not mistaken.

I got rid of it because I needed space in my laundry room. Someone gave me a "brand new" Maytag Centennial proudly "Made in America" that was used once and the person hated it. The very first time I used the Maytag I could understand why it was hated. That washer is pathetic. NOTHING comes out clean. The rinse is laughable... a 3-second spray with the drum almost stopped. Then you select the "extra rinse"... WOW, a 100% improvement! instead of a 3 second spray with the drum stopped, there are TWO 3-second sprays with the drum almost stopped. (rolling eyes).

There's more.... it had a "deep rinse" option Yay, finally a decent rinse, right? WRONG! The washer would fill with 1 inch of water and start agitating like crazy for 10 seconds to, in theory, use the agitator to splash the clothes with fabric softener.

If I had the space, I'd definitely buy another Magic Chef just because that washer is AWESOME.


Post# 1135487 , Reply# 75   12/6/2021 at 19:07 (868 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        

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Was it:

For what one could spend on a new washer you could buy 3 to 6 of these and have greater capacity but do different type loads at the same time. And they'd probably come out cleaner.


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Post# 1135489 , Reply# 76   12/6/2021 at 19:12 (868 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        
Noise - Induction

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Thanks for the info. Joe.

Noise is not my friend. I'm sure induction is way more efficient though.

I think for now, I'm going to stick with my $9 conventional burner units. They work with my copper bottomed Reverware with no problems or disc adapters.


Post# 1137853 , Reply# 77   12/30/2021 at 11:22 (844 days old) by Joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        
Inflation hits the sale prices

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As of this posting, $1,098.00 at Home Depot, $1,099.00 at Lowe’s, $1,099.99 at Best Buy.

 

Everyone’s up $100.00 from before Thanksgiving and well into Christmas shopping season.


Post# 1137933 , Reply# 78   12/31/2021 at 01:30 (844 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        

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I made onion rings in my air fry oven tonight.  Outside of course, where I always use it.

 

I've learned NEVER to make those inside as the cooking smell lingers for about a week.

 

When I stepped outside after 5 minutes of cooking to flip them, the smell coming out was strong but the breeze just blew it away.  

 

Perfect onion rings after about 10 minutes of cooking.  I never got those results with a standard oven.


Post# 1137938 , Reply# 79   12/31/2021 at 05:47 (843 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
Air Fryer.....

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I have to add that its one of those appliances I wish I had bought a while back, Its quick efficient and easy to clean up.

Due to electricity price increases{ which I believe someone somewhere is making a huge profit} I am trying to cut down on power consumption, The air fryer is perfect for cooking things you would put in the oven if they fit of course, Now I bought the biggest I could find and it was from Costco its brilliant.

Along with Induction cooking they keep the heat where its needed and not adding to the hot kitchen, Whats not to like??

Austin


Post# 1137948 , Reply# 80   12/31/2021 at 10:17 (843 days old) by joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        
From the "Now You're Reaching, Dude" Dept.

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An anti-induction argument that borders on desperation:

 

You might be saving energy when you cook but your heating costs could go up because you're not benefiting from all that waste heat generated by a gas or electric stove or cooktop.

 

That said, wouldn't the same be true during the summer, when that waste heat drives up your A/C usage?

 

[crickets]

 

O . . . KAY!


Post# 1137951 , Reply# 81   12/31/2021 at 10:39 (843 days old) by joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        
Well, here's a fine how-do-you-do . . .

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Alton Brown says the best stovetop cornpopper is a stainless steel bowl covered with fork-perforated aluminum foil.  Would it work on induction?  Hmm . . .

 

Magnet test: FAIL!!

Flat bottom: FAIL!!

 

Nothing ventured, nothing gained . . .

 

 

Well, looks like we have to confirm it by popping up a batch.  Stay tuned!


Post# 1138063 , Reply# 82   1/1/2022 at 14:37 (842 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

I pop corn in an 2 liter stainless steel Silit Silitherm pot with two loop handles on my induction top and since there is no heat coming up the side, I cover it with a paper towel to let the steam escape while catching the oil. I read somewhere that keeping the steam in the pan with the popping corn can make it tough; I don't know if that is true or not. The towel's longer sides go over the handle loops so I can hold the towel when the pan is shaken. I do have mixing bowls and a 3 qt. Revere stainless steel double boiler top with Bakelite handles that do not have enough raw iron in them to work on induction.

I used to have two splatter shields, one small and one large, that were made of woven aluminum mesh like the filter in a vent hood, but 40 years of dishwasher washing sort of ate them up. I cannot find any more splatter shields of similar construction in any size.


Post# 1138084 , Reply# 83   1/1/2022 at 17:40 (842 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Tom, splatter shields are available of various designs, although perhaps not the construction of your preference?  I'm curious, what are the details of that?  I have a set, 13" and 11-3/8" diameters.

Splatter Shields - Amazon offerings ... among, I imagine, several other sources.


Post# 1138104 , Reply# 84   1/1/2022 at 20:33 (842 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        
Thanks, Glenn

I find the single screens inadequate and the heavier perforated silicone ones trap too much steam to give good searing and the smaller diameter ones are few. I don't know why the old style mesh screens were discontinued.

Post# 1138153 , Reply# 85   1/2/2022 at 11:04 (841 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Alton Brown corn popping

The idea of the bowl was that the unpopped kernels always were funneled back to the bottom where the heat is.

Thus, a wok would work aswell.
There are specific induction woks out there that have a small flat area in the bottom and high, bulging sides.
They might work just as good.



Or if you want to go high end, there are special wok induction burners available from high end brands like Miele:
m.miele.de/haushalt/kochfelder-2...
The induction plate is concave so the wok sits in it.


Post# 1138723 , Reply# 86   1/8/2022 at 09:46 (835 days old) by joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        
No special griddle or "bridge" zone . . .

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. . . but, dang, we had a good time cookin' up a pile o' pancakes for the wife 'n' me.

 

 

Cuisinart 10"x18" dual-burner griddle.



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Post# 1144917 , Reply# 87   3/20/2022 at 10:33 (764 days old) by joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        
Interesting search results at homedepot.com

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The Home Depot appears to be making up for previously hiding Frigidaire induction ranges when you searched with the phrase "induction range" by spotlighting the brand on the search results page.

 



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Post# 1149872 , Reply# 88   5/30/2022 at 11:00 (693 days old) by Joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        
First battle scar

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Most likely inflicted by the sharp rim on the baseplate of an Infinite Circulon pan on the front right 12-inch zone. If Weiman stovetop cleaner can’t rub it out, it’s a scratch. Finger nail and finger tip confirm it. Still cooks just fine. Probably not deep enough to cause a thermal shock failure.


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Post# 1149888 , Reply# 89   5/30/2022 at 16:41 (693 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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eeeek.. I know I cringe whenever my other half slides a pan on ours.. gotta get back to using a half sheet of paper towels under them..

Post# 1149889 , Reply# 90   5/30/2022 at 16:55 (693 days old) by joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        
I was lazy.

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Didn't take the necessary nanoseconds out of my busy, busy day to move the pan off the stove before tilting it to scrap out the leftovers.


Post# 1149975 , Reply# 91   5/31/2022 at 16:42 (692 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Scratched Induction Cook-Tops

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There really isn't a single scratch on our 35YO Kenmore CT and it has had a lot of HARD use.

 

I have never heard of a thermal [ glass ] failure on an ICT, it could probably only happen if the dry pan detection system failed and a pan got VERY hot would you ever have a chance of a thermal break.

 

In general glass ICTs hold up very well and look new for the life of the range with very little care.

 

John L.


Post# 1149977 , Reply# 92   5/31/2022 at 17:18 (692 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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I'm wondering if that's just a food splash of some sort.

Post# 1150042 , Reply# 93   6/1/2022 at 15:57 (691 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

I agree with John L, I dont baby our Induction cooktop and regularly have 5gal pots on there that slide around, with a mix of stainless and cast iron. I slide stuff all the time and after 6 years there are no marks.

Have you tried a razor blade scraper to confirm that its a scratch and not just something stuck on?


Post# 1150052 , Reply# 94   6/1/2022 at 18:08 (691 days old) by joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        
Gave it a hundred circular strokes . . .

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. . . with some Wieman stovetop cleaner.  It's a little less visible.  Might be a metal mark like what happens to CorningWare.  I'll keep at it.  Stove still cooks like a champ.


Post# 1150089 , Reply# 95   6/2/2022 at 09:33 (690 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
ICT

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I managed to drop a pan and break the corner off my hob it really annoys me as its so visible, I tried glueing it back on as it was just 1 piece but you can see the glue even though I used a knife blade scraper to clean it up as best I could.

I keep an eye on eBay to see if anyone has the same cook top with out a break in the glass but other issues and I will buy it and swap it over :)

Austin


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Post# 1150205 , Reply# 96   6/3/2022 at 22:42 (689 days old) by fisherpaykel (BC Canada)        
Cooktop scratches

Joe I still stand by cutting out 3 pieces, shape of your choice, from a regular silicone baking mat, not a fibreglass reinforced Silpat, and arranging in a tripod pattern over each burner hob. I don’t make blackened Cajun fish in my cast iron fry pans but I do use them for normal cooking and the worst that happens is the blue silicone slowly darkens and eventually I cut out some new ones from my original mat, been doing this for nine years, plenty of mat remaining, no melted silicone even when I used a cast iron induction interface disc a couple of times. Spilled errant salt crystals can scratch, maybe sugar as well. Give the silicone a try.

Post# 1150209 , Reply# 97   6/3/2022 at 22:57 (689 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Using silicone mats on induction cooktops

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I think I’ve said it before but I do not recommend silicon sheets they are usually only good till about 500° you can easily exceed that if you boil a pan dry, the mat also will add insulation and keep the overheat protection system from triggering as quickly so you may damage cookware if you boil something dry.

 

Heating the silicone matt to the 500° range will also emit toxic fumes into your kitchen.

 

You would be better off putting newspaper over the stove although it may not protect from scratches all that well at least will not keep the over heat system from working and if it does burn it won’t release toxic fumes.

 

John L



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