Thread Number: 88663
/ Tag: Ranges, Stoves, Ovens
Why did the Frigidaire Flair and Hotpoint Hallmark ranges…. |
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Post# 1132082 , Reply# 3   10/27/2021 at 17:44 (905 days old) by Steved (Guilderland, New York)   |   | |
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No self-clean on a Flair type oven. You could buy a 30” range with a full size self- clean oven for less than the cost of a Flair. |
Post# 1132127 , Reply# 5   10/27/2021 at 23:53 (905 days old) by sarahperdue (Alabama)   |   | |
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I've never used one of these ovens, but I don't think I'd like reaching over a cooktop with hot pots to get to my oven. I think a cooktop + wall ovens are a much more brilliant solution to the eye level oven. We've had that configuration for over fifteen years, and I'm never going back if I don't have to. I dislike leaning down to get in the oven. For a while I had a range in the country while simultaneously having the cooktop and wall ovens here in town. That's when I realized how much I disliked ranges. The new kitchen in the country house will have a five burner Thermador cooktop and a double Frigidaire Custom Imperial with French doors on the top oven. I hope I like those French doors as much as I think I will.
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Post# 1132154 , Reply# 8   10/28/2021 at 07:33 (905 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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I've been using a Frigidaire Flair, the 30-inch single-oven version, for just about 6 years now at the house in St-Liboire. Yes, I voluntarily gave up a 21st-century smooth-top range with a self-cleaning oven, I very much enjoy cooking in the Flair. I am not a tall person so the lower surface units are not a problem and I really like the eye-level controls. I also really like the way the oven door swings up and over the oven cavity - for me, that means reaching into the oven is much easier than bending and lifting a pan up and out of the oven (my shaky hands are only going to get worse and trust me, the door of the GE oven in Ogden gets very well-splattered...). I also like the way the surface units can be a 'landing pad' for a hot pan taken right out of the oven. There are some disadvantages, too - most notably that when the cooktop is fully extended it's just about impossible for me to reach anything from the cupoards above the Flair. I guess this would be a reason why in ads for the Flair one rarely saw a set of cupboards above the range (and to be fair, I just muscled my Flair into the cut-out meant for a conventional 30-inch range). Placement of a Flair in a kitchen could be problematic too - in my case, the Flair is adjacent to a corner cupboard and again, when the cooktop is fully extended, reaching into that cupboard is not easy. Still, I have made this style of range work for me and full disclosure, there is a 30-inch conventional style 1964 turquoise GE range waiting in the wings should I get tired of the Flair! |
Post# 1132155 , Reply# 9   10/28/2021 at 07:34 (905 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)   |   | |
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My sister’s friends had a Tappan Fabulous 400 and I think a Tappan parts store had one on display in its vestibule—it was a few miles away in Oak Park/Royal oak Township’s Industrial-Business District…
I’m visualizing one I saw at some antique store back long ago when I could frequent one and they had a lot of good stuff, and if you ever get to Elvis Presley’s Graceland, he has he got one there, too… Some appliance store I once went to fairly frequently had the Frigidaire one and I even used to think a former next door neighbor’s Sears Kenmore was one because of the fluorescent light over the oven and the cooking surface until it got put outside on the side of the house to be discarded and saw it was a fancy double-oven upper/lower design in Coppertone and in gas… — Dave
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Post# 1132157 , Reply# 10   10/28/2021 at 08:00 (905 days old) by Frigidaireguy (Wiston-Salem, NC)   |   | |
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I have a 1962 - 30" Flair and I love it - I really like to oven at eye level and it works well for me Bob |
Post# 1132214 , Reply# 11   10/28/2021 at 18:34 (904 days old) by Helicaldrive (St. Louis)   |   | |
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For all the responses. I think the 40” units look SO cool. Also I meant to ask if there was a broiler in both the large and small ovens. |
Post# 1132220 , Reply# 12   10/28/2021 at 18:57 (904 days old) by luxflairguy (Wilmington NC)   |   | |
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Yes! Double broilers! I had a 40" for a long time and do miss it! Greg |
Post# 1132246 , Reply# 13   10/29/2021 at 04:49 (904 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)   |   | |
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Post# 1132252 , Reply# 14   10/29/2021 at 08:52 (904 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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The largest reason was these were TOL products and expensive to build and buyers looking for hi-end TOL products mostly wanted the NEW self-cleaning ovens that everyone was excited about in the later 60s.
The design of Hi-Oven ranges were not adaptable to being built as a SCO due the the near impossibility of having enough insulation to allow a SCO to clean itself.
Then of course once one or two major manufactures discontinue something every other manufacturer follows suit.
John L. |
Post# 1132260 , Reply# 15   10/29/2021 at 11:20 (903 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 1132354 , Reply# 16   10/30/2021 at 16:37 (902 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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Wasn't easing the oven cleaning the reason why Hotpoint used Teflon removable panels in the ovens? |
Post# 1132400 , Reply# 17   10/31/2021 at 12:55 (901 days old) by Steved (Guilderland, New York)   |   | |
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Plus the introduction of the 30” hi-low ovens, like the GE Americana and Frigidaire Twin 30 allowed for a hi oven AND a self-clean lower oven. |
Post# 1132573 , Reply# 19   11/3/2021 at 07:30 (899 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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So, it's heavy? LOL I feel your pain. It's quite a feat maneuvering these through doors, around corners, etc.
I've moved a couple of these over the years, never into my kitchen though. One was in a friend's unheated garage for many years that I stripped for parts and another I'd hoped to restore (with my stash of parts) and decided to let it go. I have a rather small kitchen and that imposing structure would have been too large visually and with the extending cooktop, too intrusive in the work space while in use. I let that "dream" go and opted for the GE Liberator.
All that said, they are terrific ranges. I've used several in other's homes. Classic Frigidaire Radiantube elements and good performing ovens with appropriate planning and bakeware. |
Post# 1132574 , Reply# 20   11/3/2021 at 07:30 (899 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)   |   | |
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A 40" Flair with base cabinet is 377 lbs. And top-heavy.
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Post# 1132577 , Reply# 21   11/3/2021 at 08:15 (899 days old) by Helicaldrive (St. Louis)   |   | |
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get any cooler than that! Thanks for all the responses and the great conversation! |
Post# 1132587 , Reply# 22   11/3/2021 at 11:01 (898 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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Omg, a Flair EXACTLY like mine! Tell me everything! I'm curious!
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Post# 1132589 , Reply# 23   11/3/2021 at 11:26 (898 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Is very little heaver [ without base cabinet ] than a 40" FD free standing range of the same time period, these ranges were not shipped with the base cabinet attached from the factory.
If you want the real deal in Hi-Oven ranges from the 60s the Hotpoint Hallmarks are much better ranges to own and cook on than the FDs.
They had superior top burners, built in ventilation systems and much better wiring, even the bake and broil elements did not fail nearly as often as the FDs did.
John L. |
Post# 1132665 , Reply# 24   11/4/2021 at 08:30 (898 days old) by Helicaldrive (St. Louis)   |   | |
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Including thomasortega’s response, which is a riot. |
Post# 1132691 , Reply# 25   11/4/2021 at 15:05 (897 days old) by sarahperdue (Alabama)   |   | |
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Post# 1132735 , Reply# 27   11/5/2021 at 06:07 (897 days old) by retro-man (- boston,ma)   |   | |
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Thomas I think what you are referring to is called a steptic pencil. It is a small white chalk like pencil that we use to stop bleeding when shaving and get a nick or cut. You can pick these up in pharmacies or grocery stores. Jon |
Post# 1132812 , Reply# 28   11/6/2021 at 09:44 (895 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 1132821 , Reply# 29   11/6/2021 at 13:38 (895 days old) by sarahperdue (Alabama)   |   | |
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Styptic Pencil
www.walgreens.com/store/c... Sometimes it's all about what something is called. Once you know the name, you can find it everywhere. My husband (now 61) has had a styptic pencil in his dopp kit ever since we were in college. And, yes, my supply of coagulants is for the sole purpose of keeping someone from bleeding out before getting to the hospital thirty minutes away. I have the big pouches and small tubes. I also find the Nexcare waterproof bandaids can be very helpful in stopping bleeding from small cuts. My uncle Herb is on anti coagulants. He had a very small cut on the top of his hand that bled slowly for a most of a day before I realized that's why he was holding a paper towel against his hand. I put one of the Nexcare bandaids on, and it stopped immediately. Sarah |