Thread Number: 88738
/ Tag: Vintage Automatic Washers
They're here! 1967 Speed Queen set |
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Post# 1132682   11/4/2021 at 14:18 (901 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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Hey gang -
The Speed Queen set that was posted over in Shopper's Square a few weeks ago arrived safely in Iowa this morning. A shoutout to Kermit/Will for posting the set to the board. I hemmed and hawed that weekend and by Tuesday I figured I'd give it a shot as it didn't appear there was much interest in the set. A solenoid driven Speed Queen has been on my short list for a long time, in fact a handful have come home over the years but none were in good enough shape to save. This particular model is owned by only a few folks on the board and it's honestly one of Speed Queen's best looking pairs, IMO. A rare instance where the wood tones actually look great, balanced out by the rest of the panel's graphics and fonts. Overall both are in really nice shape considering the age and that they were still in use up until a few weeks ago! They were originally installed in a cabin up in the thumb part of Michigan, which may explain the extended life cycle of the set. Lots of lint dust covered both which may have blown out of the dryer during transit. Model numbers are A78F and 166F - CLICK HERE TO GO TO swestoyz's LINK |
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Post# 1132683 , Reply# 1   11/4/2021 at 14:20 (901 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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Before anyone asks here are the money shots, including the bleach dispenser! Again, overall everything is in really nice shape and there is minimal rust along the boot guard edge of the washer top. The stainless steel drums in these dryers are just a marvel in manufacturing stamping.
With this set having been used recently I wasn't surprised to see a generic replacement water valve. This will need to be replaced eventually to eliminate the stress on the fill flume hose and to meter the water down to the appropriate fill rate. But, I WAS surprised to see the original marketing stickers on the side of the washer. How cool! Any guesses on what that grey hose/cord is just behind the water valve? |
Post# 1132684 , Reply# 2   11/4/2021 at 14:22 (901 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)   |   | |
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Post# 1132686 , Reply# 3   11/4/2021 at 14:30 (901 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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Once hauled inside I let them warm up a bit as it's been chilly over the last few days while they were in transit. After pulling the front panel I was pleasantly surprised to see things were in pretty good shape, albeit the typical rust seen on these bleach dispenser featured SQs. In fact there's still fluid the bleach hopper, but thankfully the pump has been disconnected. More than likely the pump was leaking during the pump out phase in the wash cycle, dumping bleach out on the frame.
Speaking of the bleach dispenser, another interesting find was the presence of a rectifier for the bleach pump! I'll have to take a look to see what the rated current type is on the pump. And, here we also see that grey hose I mentioned earlier. The bleach pump pushes the fluid up through that tube to the fill flume during the overflow portion of the wash cycle. Don Shier and I played with this on his A78 with some bluing agent. It was really cool to see it in action. While I didn't get any pictures I did spy a few date codes on the solenoids (5-67) and selector switches (4-67), which would probably place this as having been made a few months later during the summer of 1967. |
Post# 1132687 , Reply# 4   11/4/2021 at 14:39 (901 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Post# 1132688 , Reply# 5   11/4/2021 at 14:39 (901 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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And of course with the panel off I had to test the washer out. Overall it sounds great - agitation is super quiet, you can hear the fluid drive catching up to speed, the pump doesn't make groaning noises, but there is a dry bearing screech once it gets up to speed that is either in the fluid drive itself or one of the radial bearings in the bearing housing. The bearings will be tended to during a full restoration of both the washer and dryer.
And yes I am planning on hooking this dryer up in the washer studio, paired with the '58 Filtrator. Thankfully more modern and efficient dryers will be available at the ready in the other room but I couldn't pass up using a dryer with that beautiful stainless drum AND an automatic dry cycle. For now, enjoy this quick clip of testing out the washer. Ben |
Post# 1132693 , Reply# 6   11/4/2021 at 15:07 (901 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 1132696 , Reply# 7   11/4/2021 at 15:55 (901 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 1132697 , Reply# 8   11/4/2021 at 15:56 (901 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 1132699 , Reply# 9   11/4/2021 at 16:23 (901 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)   |   | |
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Post# 1132702 , Reply# 10   11/4/2021 at 16:33 (901 days old) by spacepig (Floridas Emerald Coast)   |   | |
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Post# 1132704 , Reply# 11   11/4/2021 at 17:13 (901 days old) by pulltostart (Mobile, AL)   |   | |
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Post# 1132710 , Reply# 12   11/4/2021 at 18:35 (901 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Post# 1132711 , Reply# 13   11/4/2021 at 18:38 (901 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 1132717 , Reply# 14   11/4/2021 at 20:11 (901 days old) by Kermit (Rochester hills, Michigan )   |   | |
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Congratulations, glad I was able to help! |
Post# 1132720 , Reply# 15   11/4/2021 at 21:16 (901 days old) by lotsosudz (Sacramento, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 1132725 , Reply# 16   11/4/2021 at 21:53 (901 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)   |   | |
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A truly MAGNIFICENT find!!! BEAUTIFUL machines built like Sherman Tanks!! Best of luck!! I absolutely LOVE THE CONSOLES! Mike |
Post# 1132739 , Reply# 17   11/5/2021 at 07:33 (901 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 1132740 , Reply# 18   11/5/2021 at 08:12 (901 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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Thanks for the kind comments, everyone! Louis, I agree. The washer provides the ultimate flexibility on top of it's good looks!
Does anyone possibly have a service and parts manual for the A78 washer? The service manual for the A72/73/75/76 is on AE which covers most of the mechanicals from this era of solid tub SQ but it would be really nice to have both manuals for this machine (and the dryer too!). If so I'd be happy to scan and return to anyone who would kindly send those my way. Send me a message or shoot over an email. I've about given up on using a specific shipper as each location is often times unique enough that a shipper that has been used in the past is generally not in that area at the time or ends up ghosting. Lately, I've just throw a bid out on U-Ship and use their fixed price option for the last several shipments and it's worked great each time, usually going on the higher side of the scale to attract shippers. Respond quickly as shippers are constantly moving and looking to add to their loads as they criss-cross the US. Washers and dryers are super easy for them to add to a partial load. The dryer was tested briefly last night and sounds fine. It will need a new set of rollers and the belt sounds like it's got a flat spot in it as well. Before hitting the studio for use it will get a new set of seals, belt, roller, etc., and possibly some paint on the front panel. We shall see! Speaking of seeing, here are some night shots for all to enjoy! |
Post# 1132744 , Reply# 19   11/5/2021 at 09:52 (901 days old) by polkanut (Wausau, WI )   |   | |
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Post# 1132757 , Reply# 20   11/5/2021 at 13:25 (900 days old) by reactor (Oak Ridge, Tennessee-- )   |   | |
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Congratulations, Ben, on the beautiful and CLEAN set! So much better than virtually anything built today.
Nice find! Love the "brisk" agitation designation. What great controls! Like GE's flip levers, one could choose whatever wash/rinse temperature they wanted. The manufacturer did not tell you what combinations you could choose. (In today's world the manufacturers and our Government tell us what what wash and rinse temperatures they will LET us use.) I believe these were manufactured when McGraw-Edison owned Speed Queen. Part of the Speed Queen/McGraw-Edison/Raytheon/Amana/Goodman//Alliance Name Game Soap Opera! This post was last edited 11/05/2021 at 14:46 |
Post# 1132772 , Reply# 21   11/5/2021 at 17:23 (900 days old) by Washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i)   |   | |
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Post# 1132791 , Reply# 23   11/5/2021 at 22:36 (900 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)   |   | |
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Post# 1132796 , Reply# 24   11/6/2021 at 00:29 (900 days old) by Hippiedoll ( arizona )   |   | |
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VERY COOL!
So these were made during the summer of 1967, isn't that what they called "The Summer of Love"? OUTTA SIGHT BABY! I like how the timer knobs are illuminated, that just looks too cool! So happy & excited for you that you got these. And yes, the flexibility, to choose a gentle wash & fast spin. Seems like this is Speed Queen's version of a Maytag 806. CONGRATULATIONS!! 😊 |
Post# 1132797 , Reply# 25   11/6/2021 at 00:49 (900 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)   |   | |
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This seems to be the Autumn of finding Speed Queens!
I really appreciate all you and everyone else said when we got ours a while back! Our lives turned insanely busy, posting pictures has been on my list - I'll still try, though your SQ is much nicer. A few things I've learned since we got it. We've been running it as a daily driver (I mean that in the literal since of the word, it's done over 100 loads since we got it). 1) Our timer, at least - your timer may be different - had grease smeared across the gears which advance the timer every 60seconds. That grease had hardened. Replaced it with a light grease specifically OK for plastics. The slight sound we had heard of 'dragging' disappeared. At the same time, I figured out (well, took several hours) that it was possible - at least on our timer, remember, it's from 1969, to adjust the spring tension on the plastic gears to the absolute minimum to reliably advance the timer. We all know what those dratted dogs are like in the motors..... 2) We do have the original SQ water solenoids and I intend to change them out as soon as possible. They may once have done a good job of metering the water. Now, they don't. I learned how to control generic solenoids for Thumpers here many years back using 1/4 turn water valves. The full rinse, between the first spin and the overflow spin has the least water fill. That is the one to adjust for. If you can't find the originals and want to trade, I'd be happy to. 3) With the exception of Thumpers, I've never seen an automatic washer do such a good job of cleaning on gentle as these do. Such turnover. 4) Out of curiosity, when we set ours to Hot Wash, Cold Rinse (one dial, our SQ was much lower down the line), the first overflow is warm. The remaining rinses and overflows are cold. This is on the normal program, by the way. It's an interesting approach, one from soap days. Does your machine do that, too? Again - congratulations. Wonderful machines. Still haven't gotten around to the dryer. Was said to be working. |
Post# 1132798 , Reply# 26   11/6/2021 at 01:35 (900 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Post# 1132799 , Reply# 27   11/6/2021 at 01:44 (900 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)   |   | |
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Post# 1132809 , Reply# 28   11/6/2021 at 08:42 (900 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 1132829 , Reply# 29   11/6/2021 at 16:14 (899 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Post# 1132852 , Reply# 30   11/6/2021 at 20:47 (899 days old) by Blackstone (Springfield, Massachusetts)   |   | |
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Post# 1132855 , Reply# 31   11/6/2021 at 21:22 (899 days old) by Keith (Connecticut )   |   | |
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Stunning set! The night shots are amazing! Once you get these up and running I would love to see a wash video! Keith |
Post# 1132860 , Reply# 32   11/6/2021 at 22:04 (899 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 1132861 , Reply# 33   11/6/2021 at 22:33 (899 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Auntie's 1969 less-deluxe model had the same four auxiliary controls/choices but arranged around the timer instead of across the panel. The timer was backlight with an incandescent bulb, IIRC. Normal and Durable Press cycles, possibly Soak but I don't clearly recall. No bleach dispenser. I remember she mentioned that she had questioned the dealer on concern about it always filling full for rinse regardless of a smaller selected load size and was told it's supposed to do that. She also told me that Extra Fill is to get a full fill if the supply pressure is low. |
Post# 1132865 , Reply# 34   11/6/2021 at 23:59 (899 days old) by abcomatic (Bradford, Illinois)   |   | |
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HI Ben, Good for you, this Speed Queen pair look wonderful and the washer sounds like it is ready to wash up a storm. Have fun. Gary |
Post# 1132932 , Reply# 35   11/7/2021 at 20:00 (898 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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Thanks again for the kind comments, everyone. A few answers to questions:
Summer of Love - Christina I was hoping someone would catch it, and so glad it was you! :)
SQ and Timers - yes, this particular model does have a Mallory timer in it. Sometimes, but not always, SQ and Maytag even would append a suffix at the end of the timer PN with a -1, -2, or -3, indicating MFG of the replacement timer. The PN stamped on the timer is 23022-1, which may indicate a standard Mallory timer per SQ's timer hierarchy. Kingston was also used well through the 70's on the solid tub washers, and by the early 70's the ratchet type advancements on the Mallory versions were replaced with the tension spring escapement, usually found on timers marked M300. Panthera, it's a bummer the flow washers are no longer regulating the pressure properly. They often overflow for several seconds even when new. Oh hey, I finally found a printed reference in some SQ documentation to your washer - is it a model MA69F?
Is this standard or large capacity? Standard capacity, used on SQ from the beginning all through the 70's. The large capacity tubs were introduced on the DA reversing motor series starting in the early 70's.
replacing the fluorescent lights with LEDs? The thought had not crossed my mind. If I could get a higher output I'd consider it. Will need to check the length as I suspect it isn't standard.
Extra Fill is to get a full fill if the supply pressure is low. Glenn, it's a shame the sales rep didn't walk your aunt through the "Sure-Fill" models that used a pressure switch in line with an auxiliary overflow tank to dial in the load size, very similar to GM Frigidaire of the late 60's. I do like how the rep responded with, "it's supposed to do that."
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Post# 1133012 , Reply# 36   11/8/2021 at 18:43 (897 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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I'd like to see a test load of laundry with tide original power pods and downy liquid softener in April fresh. |
Post# 1133016 , Reply# 37   11/8/2021 at 19:23 (897 days old) by reactor (Oak Ridge, Tennessee-- )   |   | |
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Here is a link to a video of Mitzi Gaynor, and you can see her dance around a very similar Speed Queen set in the then popular Harvest Gold color.
Her dryer look bigger than standard, was it wider than the normal 27"? This was link posted before as post 55484 in 2014 (Can it really have been 7 years ago??) Lots of fun comments. CLICK HERE TO GO TO reactor's LINK |
Post# 1133027 , Reply# 38   11/8/2021 at 22:25 (897 days old) by Washerlover (The Big Island, Hawai’i)   |   | |
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Post# 1133044 , Reply# 39   11/9/2021 at 07:53 (897 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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Oh goodness that was a hoot. Can't say I caught that clip the first go round but certainly glad you shared it, Barry!
She is prancing around a 1970's 9000 series set, more than likely similar to a DA9041 (1970 - 1974) or FE9101 (1974 - 1976), or something very close. There were several variations of the lighted panel 9000 washer during this era of SQs, which are just as attractive as the A78. The dryer would be a DE9021 or FE equivalent. I couldn't imagine kicking my legs like that without fear of injury. Ben |
Post# 1133053 , Reply# 40   11/9/2021 at 09:24 (897 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)   |   | |
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Thanks! Apparently, repair folks back then just 'knew' the MA was special and mentally translated it to get the right parts. The full-temperature range switch sets it apart from the lowest, apparently. I got used to monitoring the fill levels with our Thumper. I really should put an atmospheric pressure cistern into the attic, and fill our fill-by-time machines from that. We'd only need one adjustment, once, for each. Your machine is enormously quieter than ours - I need to find the time to see what is making a rumbling sound in ours. Sometimes, the inner tub will spin during the fill. Not very fast, and with very little torque behind it. Thanks for mentioning that - without you folks, I would never have found anyone to believe us. I know, now, to just use a 'real' model number when searching repair part sites. |
Post# 1133058 , Reply# 41   11/9/2021 at 09:50 (897 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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A few weeks ago I stumbled upon an eBay auction for some SQ documentation that has eluded me for some time: the early version of the "Speedy" parts guide. Years ago I found the 1970 - 1985 version but always wondered if they had an earlier version that listed the 1960's machines, and sure enough they did, in fact it goes back to the beginning of the automatic washer production with the A10.
From what I can gather from the document, the MA series machines were either mirror copies of earlier 1966/1967 A series solenoid driven washers, or new models that would have been introduced between 1968 and 1970. There is an MA version of the A78 and the rest of the 70 series machines, as well as commercial series 2xx, too. Hopefully one of us either has some documentation on the MA series machines that they would be willing to share or that we stumble upon new material at some point. By this time they were starting to switch over to the first iteration of the DA series water valves, the 24596 (3.5 gpm) or the 24597 (3.8 gpm), but not for all. The 22454 listed for the MA69F would also be a 3.8 gpm valve that matches the A78, but it's anyone's guess at this point as to the difference between the 22454 and the 24597. To make matters worse the MA78F is listed as using the 24596, using a 3.5 gpm fill rather than the earlier 3.8 gpm fill. Confusing? It certain is to me. I ordered an NOS 24597 for the A78 and even if it overflows a half gallon or so isn't the end of the world. If the tub is coasting during fill/agitation it is an indicator that the motor shaft isn't freely spinning on the inside of the fluid drive bearing. You can take the assembly apart and clean up the motor shaft and add a dab of turbine oil to the cleaned shaft to solve for this issue. Also check the lining in the clutch cup while you have fluid drive off, mine chatters as if the material is starting wear through about half way to full spin speed. Ben |
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