Thread Number: 88819
/ Tag: Detergents and Additives
Automatic dishwasher detergent that will not dull dishes? |
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Post# 1133737 , Reply# 1   11/16/2021 at 22:37 (862 days old) by HobartHero (New York)   |   | |
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I was able to find it on Amazon and some other retailers online with a quick google search. I would say to stock up that way if it’s your preferred cleaner and you can’t find it locally.
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Post# 1133752 , Reply# 3   11/17/2021 at 03:03 (862 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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What kind of dishes do you have? My Corelle CorningWare has never faded in 36 years of dishwashers that use brute force.
Soft water generally means you need to significantly cut back on detergent. You can experiment by using very small amounts carefully measured out and slowly increasing the dose until the dishes are clean. |
Post# 1134121 , Reply# 5   11/21/2021 at 08:41 (858 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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Some of my Princess House crystal bowls were becoming cloudy (no biggie, they were all found at Goodwill and easily replaced). I cleaned them with Barkeeper's friend and it took off the cloudiness. They are still clear now and am using professional Premiere chlorine based powder. This is my second bucket. I think they changed the formula because the granules are shaped differently than before and the color is different...plus the dishes don't come out feeling weird anymore...almost like I have used Jetdry (which I don't since it causes so many foaming issues with my softened water). I don't know how it would work in a modern trickle machine though. My KUDI23 and Maytag DWC7602 are over 20 years old. |
Post# 1134130 , Reply# 6   11/21/2021 at 13:03 (858 days old) by reactor (Oak Ridge, Tennessee-- )   |   | |
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Etching occurs when detergents pull the metal ions out of glassware and the process is exaggerated in soft water as there are no calcium ions to attach themselves to the detergent molecules and reduce their aggressiveness.
With hard water your detergent loses cleaning ability, pretty much in proportion to the hardness level of your water. The good side is, since the detergent is rendered less effective by the hard water, it is not as aggressive toward the glassware. BUT you lose cleaning ability and you may replace etching with hard water spots and film/dirt residue. With soft water, the dishwasher detergents are at their best in cleaning.....very aggressive as there is nothing for the detergent molecules to bind with except the dirt on your dishes. If there is not a lot of food residue on your dishes, then the molecules will attach themselves to the next best thing, the metal ions in your glasses. Soft water will provide the absolute best cleaning and shine but will, over time, etch glassware. As others have mentioned, DON'T rinse your dishes. Tilt and load. That is tilt off large or hard wastes and that's it. At most, do a light scrape. You mentioned hot water. Technically, it is not the hot water, per se, that amplifies etching. It is the increased time for your dishwasher to run in the wash component of the cycle, to bring the water up to temp. You are much better off to turn up your water tank if you need water heating. I keep mine about 138. It is a gas hot water heating so it fluctuates more than electric. But if you aim for about 140 degrees F entering the machine, you should not need to use the dishwasher's own internal water heating. (The Golden Rule...with soft water you reduce wash time, with hard water you increase wash time.) So, remember the two key components of detergent etching are soft-water and time. Your detergent likes soft water, so keep that variable constant and reduce the time of your wash cycle Turn up your hot water tank and quite using your dishwasher to heat your water. the longer your detergent is in contact with glassware, the more time it has to etch them. Secondly, your detergent's molecules love to attack food wastes, that's what they are created to do and all they know. Make them happy by giving them dirty dishes and they will have so much fun and be so busy they will not have the time to go to your glassware to pull out the metal ions. Just like little children. If you want to keep them out of trouble, you keep them busy with constructive activities and you don't give them a lot of free time. If you do, they will do mischievous things because they are bored. So.. don't let your dishwasher detergent's molecules get bored and start bullying your glasses, keep them busy with food wastes. AND don't give them a lot of extra free time to get into trouble by extending your wash cycle to heat the water. Remember...1.) Have HOT water entering your machine, 2.) Load DIRTY dishes, and 3.) REDUCE the contact time of detergent with your dishes. Make your dishwasher detergent molecules happy and they will serve you well! |
Post# 1134327 , Reply# 11   11/23/2021 at 15:58 (856 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)   |   | |
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According to Walmart's enlarged photos, 'Cascade Power Dry Rinse Aid' does have glass protection technology... This time it is in the form of Zinc Chloride. |
Post# 1134338 , Reply# 12   11/23/2021 at 17:57 (855 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)   |   | |
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diddo on the softwater. It makes a difference. The film on dishes can be from hard water build up.
If you have softwater, using too much detergent will harm the dishes. Those dishes can be soaked and washed by hand using typical dish detergent and generous baking soda on a sponge. I've used Finish in a Bosch dw and the dishes always came out clean. I've also tried the dish detergent from Dollartree and...not so much.
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Post# 1134838 , Reply# 13   11/29/2021 at 09:23 (850 days old) by Helicaldrive (St. Louis)   |   | |
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For taking time to reply! |
Post# 1134842 , Reply# 14   11/29/2021 at 10:29 (850 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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I've been using the Finish Max in One powerball tabs for the past several years in my Bosch SHU43CU dishwasher, with generally excellent results. When there are problems, it's generally because a filter is clogged. I have not found a need to use any extra rinse aid, either. Sometimes for a really full load, I'll toss another tab into the flatware holder just in case. But haven't seen a need for that in over a year.
The water here is about half-way between soft and medium. |
Post# 1179338 , Reply# 17   4/29/2023 at 00:10 (334 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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Late to the party, but please don't pre-wash your dishes. I put crusty dishes in the dishwasher with Cascade Platinum Plus and Cascade Power Dry rinse aid and everything comes out shiny. |
Post# 1179429 , Reply# 19   4/29/2023 at 22:25 (333 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 1179463 , Reply# 20   4/30/2023 at 09:08 (333 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Post# 1179492 , Reply# 21   4/30/2023 at 18:25 (332 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Also, while I don't "pre-wash" dishes, I usually do rinse debris off them before loading the dishwasher. This helps reduce the maintenance on the filter on the bottom of the Bosch DW here, and may help with the final result, as well as reducing total cycle time.
The water here is reasonably soft most of the year, as it comes from reserviors in the Sierra Nevada.
I've been using Finish Max-In-1 pods for many years, but I'm noticing they have disappeared from the Costco web site. However they have been replaced by a similar product, albeit in a liquid pack instead of a hard pack like the pods. I suppose I'll be finding out when I need to replenish the current supply. |
Post# 1179505 , Reply# 22   4/30/2023 at 23:39 (332 days old) by Labboy (SD, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 1180326 , Reply# 23   5/11/2023 at 01:58 (322 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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A few years ago I began noticing some of our glass bowls and cups getting a little cloudy. I thought I'd experiment so I took barkeeper's friend (it has an acid in it) and washed everything by hand. It actually removed the haziness and since then I've been using the Premiere powder I haven't noticed any new clouding.
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Post# 1180392 , Reply# 24   5/11/2023 at 23:02 (321 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Post# 1180498 , Reply# 25   5/13/2023 at 07:50 (320 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA)   |   | |
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I am amazed the differences between two Bosch machines--one on softened water in Michigan, the other on city water in Palm Springs. I had no idea the difference the water hardness made. Using cheap packs (from Rite Aid, but I'm sure all house-brands are the same) the one in Palm Springs is a mess (filmy inside door, not clean feeling) while the very same pacs in the Michigan one is entirely spotless. Will take the "good" tabs out to Palm Springs and leave the "cheap" ones here.
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