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Post# 1134911   11/30/2021 at 21:01 (871 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

The wash or rinse cycles are not agitating. The washbasket is spinning instead without draining. The spin drain cycles hesitate at the start to slow spins then pick up speed. The tub no longer locks in place during the wash. The spins are coasting to complete stops.




Post# 1134915 , Reply# 1   11/30/2021 at 21:09 (871 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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Check the stop lug, screw, and washer. Something down there may have loosened up or broke.

 

Also, verify the motor pulley isn't slipping by twisting the pump/transmission pulleys in opposite directions.




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Post# 1135209 , Reply# 2   12/3/2021 at 20:18 (868 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Thanks Dan, here are pics of what the tip of the transmission end...the stop lug...washer and screw look like. If I can repair it tonight I will.

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Post# 1135223 , Reply# 3   12/3/2021 at 22:59 (868 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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Was the stop, washer, and screw all in place and properly adjusted? They look pretty rusted up. Make sure to apply some grease on these parts and a little inside the rubber cap before reinstalling it.


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Post# 1135257 , Reply# 4   12/4/2021 at 12:10 (867 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

They all were in place...had to pry everything loose...not a struggle...all seemly was in place but, I could turn and spin the transmission (washtub) both ways

Post# 1135258 , Reply# 5   12/4/2021 at 12:19 (867 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Also, Dan is it possible to get two different agitators permanently attached together? If so, do you have any idea where to go? I have an idea

Post# 1135259 , Reply# 6   12/4/2021 at 12:22 (867 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

And, the washer and screw are stuck together

Post# 1135270 , Reply# 7   12/4/2021 at 15:23 (867 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Hey Dan the transmission pulley is rusted to the lower drive shaft...cannot remove trans pulley

Post# 1135280 , Reply# 8   12/4/2021 at 16:37 (867 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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Stuck washer and screw shouldn't be a problem. The transmission pulley spins counterclockwise off of the lower helical shaft. There maybe some corrosion hanging things up. You can try spraying penetrating oil around that area and letting it soak overnight.


Post# 1135283 , Reply# 9   12/4/2021 at 16:52 (867 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Will do...Thank you...what about (is it possible to get two different agitators permanently attached together? If so, do you have any idea where to go?)

Post# 1135287 , Reply# 10   12/4/2021 at 17:34 (867 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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Are you trying to attach the bottom skirts together?


Post# 1135289 , Reply# 11   12/4/2021 at 17:46 (867 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Actually, I'd like to attach an upper agitator column to a lower agitator skirt. If it can be done, I'll create something that should have been done.:D

Post# 1135290 , Reply# 12   12/4/2021 at 18:24 (867 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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Are you using this as a display or trying to adapt for use in a washer?


Post# 1135294 , Reply# 13   12/4/2021 at 18:56 (867 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

To adapt for use in a washer

Post# 1135369 , Reply# 14   12/5/2021 at 15:09 (866 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

The rust refuses to release the helical drive shaft, Dan. It's been two days since using the oil.



Post# 1135401 , Reply# 15   12/5/2021 at 20:16 (866 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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Get someone hold the agitator from moving and force the pulley off counterclockwise.


Post# 1135409 , Reply# 16   12/5/2021 at 21:32 (866 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Alrighty...what do you say about the agitator? Is it possible?...how soon can I get made?

Post# 1135440 , Reply# 17   12/6/2021 at 09:12 (865 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Unfortunately, the rust in the transmission pulley is refusing to release the drive shaft...although, saturated with 3 different penetrating spray oils

Post# 1135445 , Reply# 18   12/6/2021 at 12:09 (865 days old) by robbinsandmyers (Conn)        

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Have you tried Kroil? Its the best stuff on the planet to loosen frozen parts. Also try taking a small wooden block and tapping one of the spokes of the pulley with a hammer to spin it off the shaft


Post# 1135452 , Reply# 19   12/6/2021 at 14:11 (865 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Thanks robbinsandmyers, I will try it

Post# 1135493 , Reply# 20   12/6/2021 at 21:08 (865 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

The latest...transmission is leaking oil now...lying on the washer's back...holding the agitator and turning the pulley counter-clockwise after spray/soaking with 3 different rust penetrating oils...after 2 days...not successful

Post# 1135514 , Reply# 21   12/7/2021 at 07:34 (864 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Stuck Main Drive Pulley On A MT Washer

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Hi Harry, what on earth happened to this washer that allowed the main drive pulley to get so corroded etc.

 

It looks like the machine sat in 4-6" of water for an extended time for this type of damage to happen.

 

The shaft and pulley are greased when assembled and I have never seen one that was even slightly dry let alone rusted together, what is the condition of the rest of this washer?

 

John  


Post# 1135518 , Reply# 22   12/7/2021 at 09:25 (864 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

I know John!!! Absolutely baffled...the only thing I can think of is water had to splash and spill over into the drive shaft as it spin. After the rebuild, all parts needed to be greased were...I'm thinking spin or splash spillage...The rest of the machine is fine...I just don't know...this is my best "guestimation" I think she's a gonna!!!


Post# 1135543 , Reply# 23   12/7/2021 at 15:27 (864 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Any ideas how it could have been water corroded, John, Dan or...?

Post# 1140871 , Reply# 24   2/1/2022 at 06:13 (808 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Okay, finally was able to remove the transmission pulley rusted to the helical shaft. Sprayed rust penetration down the 'water deflector' to reach into the corrosion. Not quite sure what happened, there are rust spots all over the lower end of the transmission, the radial bearing is thoroughly rusted. Check out the brake and the helical. Not sure about the tub bearing seal. Experts, any ideas on how water was able to seep down and cause this?


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Post# 1140875 , Reply# 25   2/1/2022 at 08:06 (808 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Rusted Brake Release Bearing

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This type of damage is a little unusual but something must be leaking from above,

 

The rusted bearing is not the radial bearing, this is a sealed ball bearing right above and set into the brake package, this bearing may also be damaged. 

 

Try lubricating the release bearing and put every thing back together if the release bearing turns and is not too rough. If the washer works but roars at full spin speed you will likely need to replace the radial bearing and you may need to replace both.

 

You should watch carefully for leaks when you use this machine for a while.

 

John L.


Post# 1140877 , Reply# 26   2/1/2022 at 09:01 (808 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

The tub bearing seal is new from the rebuilt...Here's a closer view John

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Post# 1141126 , Reply# 27   2/3/2022 at 21:05 (806 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

The Radial Ball Bearing is not as damaged as I thought...it's rusty inside

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Post# 1141127 , Reply# 28   2/3/2022 at 21:12 (806 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

The Brake Rotor Bearing is terribly corroded...I'm going to replace it...as soon as I find one to buy...anyone has any to sell?

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Post# 1141128 , Reply# 29   2/3/2022 at 21:20 (806 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

The transmission spline and helical shaft are rusted...what is the best thing to use for the rusting? Is it necessary to replace the brake package?

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Post# 1141129 , Reply# 30   2/3/2022 at 21:24 (806 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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This machine was probably in a minor flood at one time in its past life, most likely in a basement.


Post# 1141132 , Reply# 31   2/3/2022 at 22:12 (806 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

For some reason Dan, your words "past life" caused me to remember what happened. A few times I forgot and left the bleach dispenser hose unattached...(don't remember exactly what I was doing) but, while the machine was filing water overflowed from the hose and spilled onto the baseframe...' underthought' about the amount of water leakage possibly down into the shaft...not realizing the damage I've caused. Can I save the spline and helical shaft?

Post# 1141165 , Reply# 32   2/4/2022 at 11:18 (805 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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The threads on the helical shaft and splines for the brake package are coarse so you should be able to successfully use a rust remover/dissolver.

 

Finding a new 200835 pulley bearing will be a challenge. You'll probably have to source a used one from a donor machine.

 

If your 712 was built after June 1986, replace the lower lip seal.


Post# 1141175 , Reply# 33   2/4/2022 at 12:10 (805 days old) by robbinsandmyers (Conn)        

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I would replace both those bearings while they're out for peace of mind. Just add a teaspoon of oil to the brake package ( SAE90?) the splines and rust can be cleaned with a coarse then fine wire brush. Wire wheel on a drill is even better.

Post# 1141217 , Reply# 34   2/4/2022 at 17:59 (805 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        

Hey call my shop , I have a good used brake bearing and a new upper bearing. Buy the top bearing and I’ll send you both.

lorainfurniture.com/shop/applian...


Post# 1141226 , Reply# 35   2/4/2022 at 19:05 (805 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Thanks alot guys...Hey Lorainfurniture, I'm sure your shop is close by now but, I'll take the deal!!! How can I order them both, (brake and top bearing) online?

Dan, I'm not sure what designates the year built but, all I'm able to see clearly is my model number and series '04' number.

I feel the same way you do robbinandmyers, that's why I asked about replacing the brake package...'peace of mind'

Harry


Post# 1141264 , Reply# 36   2/5/2022 at 10:56 (804 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Just ordered the Radial Ball Bearing from 'LORAINFURNITURE' and who generously donated the Brake Rotor Bearing...AWESOME...thanks again lorainfurniture!!!

Post# 1141306 , Reply# 37   2/5/2022 at 16:09 (804 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        

Glad I could help!

Post# 1142538 , Reply# 38   2/18/2022 at 19:51 (791 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

Hey guys, I may be able to have her up and running tonight or at least by the morning. When I laid the washer on its back, I noticed water leaking down inside the back of the cabinet from the siphon break and drain hose area but, when I felt for water, it was dry. I removed the outer drain hose to see if the siphon break 'elbow' was cracked, it's fine. I laid it on its back again...water drained out the elbow, as should but, no leaking inside the cabinet. Input will help me move forward.

Post# 1142541 , Reply# 39   2/18/2022 at 20:24 (791 days old) by scrubflex (bronx, new york)        

My 712 does not have a transmission lip seal


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