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Post# 1136240   12/15/2021 at 12:10 by allwashedup (florida)        

Hi, I am new to the forum but noticed other people have had the same issues with speed queen boards.

www.automaticwasher.org/c...

Looks like there was a bad batch of boards. How do I tell if mine was part of the bad batch?

ATEE9AGP173TW
Serial is 1511010527

Error code is ed44. Alliance/SQ says that is the 803949P which was replaced with 807175P. This part is clearly made of unobtanium since the quotes for a new board are about 850 to 1200 dollars. My unit is a few months past the 5 year warranty mark.

Board repair seems like the only viable option, though getting anyone to work on a speed queen is hard.

Has anyone figured out how to tell if these are from the bad batch and push the repair back onto speed queen for selling a lemon?


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Post# 1136242 , Reply# 1   12/15/2021 at 12:45 by henene4 (Emden (Germany))        

A broken board out of warranty is that.
Unless there has been a recall or an extended service notice, there's no pushing that onto SQ.

Everything they'd be doing would just be out of customer service friendliness.



Take it out, look at it.
If it's just a single component that looks burnt it more often than not is as simple as swapping a single component.


Post# 1136265 , Reply# 2   12/15/2021 at 20:01 by Good-Shepherd (New Jersey)        
unit is a few months past the 5 year warranty

What about the implied warranty?

The customer, (especially with a SQ) has a right to expect a longer service life than just a few months past the warranty expiration date.

I'd get on the phone with Speed Queen, $850+ for the board is almost the price of a new SQ.



Post# 1136266 , Reply# 3   12/15/2021 at 20:04 by Good-Shepherd (New Jersey)        

If you purchased from a local appliance dealer I'd also give them a call.

Post# 1136302 , Reply# 4   12/16/2021 at 06:25 by henene4 (Emden (Germany))        

The law only requires a one year warranty period.
The manufacturer already offers you 5 times that.
So yeah, no, you probably won't have much luck with that.

Asking them for leanancy of course could work.
And it should in my opinion.

But they are totally within their right to refuse anything.


Post# 1136304 , Reply# 5   12/16/2021 at 06:28 by allwashedup (florida)        
new board on the way

In a surprise twist after asking speed queen if the reason the board was discontinued was due to it being prone to failure, just out of curiosity, without asking they offered to mail a new board. Maybe they are trying to dodge a class action. Who knows, but a board is much appreciated surprise.

Dealer that sold it won't travel into the city to touch it. Most shops in the area won't touch a speed queen or won't go into the city unless they sold it. Only one will and they would look for 425.

Did get a video of the swap from speed queen and it doesn't look too hard so I am calling around to find someone random willing to follow a 5 min video and just needs a ratchet.

One of the repair shops said that the pump goes at the same time as the board on these units. Thankfully that was repaired 4 days before the end of the warranty.


Post# 1136305 , Reply# 6   12/16/2021 at 07:02 by PinkPower4 (USA)        

I was planning on purchasing the TC5003 as my next washer because I do a lot more smaller loads now. I don't understand why SQ went to boards over mechanical parts. Boards seem a lot more expensive to replace.

I had a Whirlpool washer that was at least 15 years old, and I never had to replace the timer to select the load. My guess is people try to spin this type of controller too quick in one direction or another.

SQ added a board that works in conjunction with the transmission. Why?

I also thought SQ took care of warranty repairs. The place I am looking to buy from someday says they will send someone out, but now this leaves me wondering. I would have no problem finding someone to work on my Maytag. So is this just for warranty repairs? I haven't had any issues with my Maytag mvwp575gw to see how well their warranty works--its 3.5 y/o now.

This is making me rethink my decision. I realize the Maytag's construction won't last as long, but I think I can for sure get 8 to 10 years before the bearings wear out--it's used for a family. From what I can tell, it is a lot less expensive to replace the board on this machine, something that would be easy for me to do. I also think I can replace the gear case. I realize the SQ covers its transmission for 15 years, but it is parts only. I am not so sure I could replace that myself.

I have hot water going to my Maytag even for the smaller loads. I do a manual 10-minute presoak. For lighter soiled loads, the spray rinse is fine. For heavier soiled loads, I will run the Normal cycle again without detergent for a half tub rinse.

Hmmm. Much of the SQ hype is based on older tried and true models (and I think there are more paid influencers too). However, I can see some things like materials used, balance system, etc. differences between the two models.

However, I was pleased to see SQ took care of this issue. I once had Dell replace a mother board on a 3 y/o laptop for no charge on a XPS model. The cost to a company is a lot less than the good will I still feel as a customer toward Dell today :-). Even if it's a defect, it's good to see they are doing the right thing on their own.



Post# 1136307 , Reply# 7   12/16/2021 at 07:13 by henene4 (Emden (Germany))        
Transmission?!?

It works with the motor.

The motors are brushless variable speed motors.
For the front load and their non-classic top loaders, they need variable speed motors and you get that with an inverter board.
These machines then DO NOT have a transmission.

An inverter system just is quite complicated and expensive to build but still the best option for that.

I don't think their classical TLs (TC series) use a variable speed motor, just the typical 2 speed reversing motor.
So no inverter board there.




Glad to hear though that SQ did the right thing to just replace the part for free.

Changing them out isn't hard. Finding someone to do that for you will be. So just do it yourself.

As soon as you let somebody professional do it, they will charge quite a lot for it.
Liability and such are just to big of an issue and to expensive for anybody to do any repair of such a kind.
For example, as soon as they fit the board and it doesn't work, you can just turn around and say they broke it and suddenly they are up for the 800+$ part.

Just take a lot of pictures of the connectors in case they aren't keyed so you don't mix them up.
Then it's just a matter of a few screws and a few minutes.


Post# 1136308 , Reply# 8   12/16/2021 at 07:19 by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Speed Queen Inverter board Failure

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SQ has been sending replacements for these boards on a No Charge basis I was told by a SQ service rep that no one will have to pay for one of these boards.

 

Just try getting this type of help from WP, Electrolux, Bosch etc for something that is over 5 years old, LOL

 

The board is fairly easy to install, you only need a 5/16" nut driver and it takes 15 minutes, it is amazing no one in your area wants to do such an easy job.

 

John L.


Post# 1136317 , Reply# 9   12/16/2021 at 08:39 by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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TC5 has an "old style" 2-speed motor (pic 1).† There is a motor control board (pic 2) in the base separate from the cycle control board in the console, but it's not an inverter and serves simply to switch power on/off to the motor windings (direction and speed).

The TR series has an electronic control, variable speed inverter motor (pic 3) and inverter board (pic 4).


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Post# 1136335 , Reply# 10   12/16/2021 at 14:30 by Good-Shepherd (New Jersey)        
Dealer that sold it won't travel into the city to touch

Where are you living? A no go zone in Portland or Chicago??


Post# 1136422 , Reply# 11   12/17/2021 at 02:38 by allwashedup (florida)        
no go zone is boston

All the official repair companies on the site turned down warranty work a few months ago in Boston except one. Half won't go into the city. The other half will only go in for stuff they sold. Several say that speed queen doesn't like to pay for warranty work so many of them stopped taking it.

For non warranty work, everyone wanted to charge for a new board at about 1200.

Speed queen sent a video of the repair
alliancels.wistia.com/medias/he5...

It doesn't look too hard. Will have to keep calling around for someone random willing to do this, since all the appliance people keep turning down the job when they hear boston and speed queen.



Post# 1136425 , Reply# 12   12/17/2021 at 03:45 by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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Why not do it yourself?  If there is a video showing exactly how to do it, just do it.  I can't tell you how many repairs I've done after watching it done on video.  Sure saves a ton of money.


Post# 1136453 , Reply# 13   12/17/2021 at 11:52 by Good-Shepherd (New Jersey)        
keep calling around for someone random

How about calling a handyman, one of those "No job too small guys"?

(Preferably one that can read and speak English).

Maybe try contacting some plumbers or electricians as well?


Post# 1136476 , Reply# 14   12/17/2021 at 18:36 by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        
The thing nobody talks about.

Speed queen is certainly a quality, durable appliance. When I say durable, I mean very repairable. The problem is that most normal customers donít want to spend their time or energy fixing their washing machine. With that said, a whole lot of queens get junked at the 7-8 year mark when it inevitably shreds the belt.

This set up is great for a commercial set up, but not ideal for homes.

Iím not saying the mvwp575 is the holy grail or anything, but at least you can get guaranteed 5 years for $800 and not get a hassle getting service when it breaks.


Post# 1136477 , Reply# 15   12/17/2021 at 18:39 by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        

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That repair requires almost no skill and simple tools!

 


Post# 1136495 , Reply# 16   12/17/2021 at 21:13 by RP2813 (Sannazay)        
"No job too small"

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That type of repair person has apparently vanished in my area.   They're all after the big money and the small stuff isn't worth their time.


Post# 1136506 , Reply# 17   12/17/2021 at 23:00 by Good-Shepherd (New Jersey)        
That repair requires almost no skill and simple tools

A lot of people I know even removing the access panel would be pushing the limit of their mechanical abilities.


Post# 1136516 , Reply# 18   12/18/2021 at 07:01 by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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True that!  DH is one of those.  Every time my Snapper rider has torn up it was HIM driving it!  Just last week he swore up and down that something was wrong with the Volvo because there was a rattle.....he didn't check the door panel for sun glasses (I could tell by the sound what it was)!


Post# 1146062 , Reply# 19   4/8/2022 at 15:02 by DirectDriver (Ohio)        

Model: AFNE9BSP113TN01
Serial: 1506004269

Hello adding some info that may help others diagnose the issue. I have the above washer also experiencing problems with the 803949 board. Most of the time the machine will not power on with no lights on the digital controls. Occasionally works fine. Removing the cover and looking at the back side of the user interface you will see a small red light indicating there is power to the interface. My red light is on when the front controls do not work. There is an 8 pin connector you can unplug to check if the inverter board is sending the correct voltages to the interface. Red/white = 12v, gray/white = 5.5-7.5. Mine measure 14v and 10v. The gray voltage out of range causes the interface to not work. Speed Queen tech support helped provide this info. They will not help with a replacement board however.


Post# 1146074 , Reply# 20   4/8/2022 at 19:40 by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        

I just changed one on an eight series washer, oddly, also a 2015. $250 minutes cost for the board. Extortion for a machine that is supposed to last 30 years?

Post# 1146118 , Reply# 21   4/9/2022 at 11:56 by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        

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I think itís absurd people will get rid of machines for simple repairs that donít cost that much but of course people never look into why it stopped working and just assume because ďitís oldĒ. I picked up a Kirby vacuum that was thrown out at my sisterís apartment complex, turns out it was just a broken belt but sadly people are too moronic to look into why it stopped working and assume itís age when in reality they didnít take the time to fix it which simply was a belt. People really should be educated on how things work so when a problem arises, it can be fixed and not for much and wonít be out of hundreds or thousands.

Post# 1146143 , Reply# 22   4/9/2022 at 20:12 by Launderess (Quiet Please, Thereīs a Lady on Stage)        

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"I think itís absurd people will get rid of machines for simple repairs that donít cost that much but of course people never look into why it stopped working and just assume because ďitís oldĒ"

Don't knock it! Have scored many great (some nearly new) appliances from people rubbishing things for simple reasons. Majority were free (Miele vacuum, AEG top loader, vintage Hoover vacuum...). Others were picked up for very little money. In fact shipping often cost far more than what one paid for actual item.

Those who simply chuck such things out IMHO are better than those who think they can sell such appliances on, often at vastly inflated prices.


Post# 1146144 , Reply# 23   4/9/2022 at 20:22 by Launderess (Quiet Please, Thereīs a Lady on Stage)        

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Keeping in mind SQ domestic washing machines aren't that much different under bonnet than their commercial cousins.

In an industrial, commercial, laundromat, or OPL setting either owners do repairs themselves, have someone on staff, or rely upon independent service/repair persons. Depending upon geographic location the latter maybe difficult to find. Have seen SQ washers at local laundromat sit "Out Of Order" for weeks or months until service person finally shows up.

As noted already in this tread SQ washers true to their commercial heritage are designed to be repaired and or even totally rebuilt. This often right where they are in customer's place of business or whatever. This as opposed to say Miele where certain repairs mean washer must be shipped back to Princeton, NJ, overhauled or repaired, then shipped back.


Post# 1146151 , Reply# 24   4/9/2022 at 21:14 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        
Hmm

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I'm now beginning to question the reliability of SQ's electronic control boards, at least their panels. They claim that they're more reliable than their mechanical controls and I believed that. But seeing this is like the second or third time that I've seen these panels have issues, makes me think that I'm likely better off to get a mechanical SQ set instead. Or hopefully the TC5 and DC5 wouldn't have any issues on me cause they're electronic too. I think consumers were very lucky to ge a SQ while they were offering their 10 year limited parts and labor warranty a couple of years ago cause they're gonna need it!

speedqueen.com/electronic-vs-mec...


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Post# 1146152 , Reply# 25   4/9/2022 at 21:27 by Launderess (Quiet Please, Thereīs a Lady on Stage)        

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Fully electronic controlled front loaders replaced mechanical timers (in whole or part driven) washers for very good reasons.

Leaving aside ability to create far more numerous cycles than could be had on mechanical timer, fully electronic allow greater and fine tuned control of tub movements, motor and other bits.

Much as one loves our vintage Miele W1070 with electronic/mechanical controls, the more modern AEG front and top loading washers are my usual go to choices for much daily washing. They handle out of balance, excess froth, and other situations far better than the Miele.

Watching modern SQ front loaders at local laundromat benefits again of full computer controls are apparent. Machine slowly ramps up to full spin speed, and or gentle pulse spins resulting in far less OOB situations.

With SQ top loaders Alliance moved to full computer board controls for several reasons. Chief among them again was ability to offer far more cycles than a set mechanical timer would allow.

Above includes SQ able to exploit so called energy regulations "loophole" which allows them to create a "Normal" cycle that uses enough water to drive tree huggers up the wall. www.nytimes.com/wirecutte...


Post# 1146158 , Reply# 26   4/9/2022 at 22:58 by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        

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The whole reason why they put electronic controls in machines is because of planned obsolescence and for the technology junkies out there. Many people claim electronic controls to be ďflexibleĒ and yes thereís one exception which is Speed Queen but the rest out there wonít let you and youíll have to cancel the cycle and start all over again wasting water or detergent. Nice thing about the Maytag A806 for example is you can manipulate the controls to what you want but is impossible to customize any settings once the wash has started as mentioned in the previous sentence since Iíve dealt with a few HE machines where you canít change anything once itís started.

Post# 1146180 , Reply# 27   4/10/2022 at 08:46 by henene4 (Emden (Germany))        
Sigh

No, you can design a mechanical timer with the exact same life time to the exact same precision as an electronic control.

I think SQ admitted the earlier gens of the inverter boards had a higher failure rate and thus redesigned the board - I think there are only the newer versions available - they should have a replacement parts number.



It is a very bad sign though that you have to pay 500$ for part on such a machine.
But yeah, happens, even if it's just a plug and play repair basically, it's annoying.


Post# 1146191 , Reply# 28   4/10/2022 at 11:39 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        
Geez

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After scrolling through different prices between this electronic control panel and the SQ mechanical timers, the electronic ones are more expensive to replace! Not to mention that you could possibly easily service the mechanical timer but you would likely have a harder time messing with the electronic panel.

Post# 1146192 , Reply# 29   4/10/2022 at 11:50 by henene4 (Emden (Germany))        

What do the timers do? Switch stuff.

This board does an f ton more that just switch this switch that.

Comparing apples and oranges sure does work, right?!?



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