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Post# 1136530   12/18/2021 at 10:43 by 48bencix (Sacramento CA)        

My 20 year old Sears Kenmore Ultrawash Dishwasher is not completing the cycles. Yesterday it was stuck in the rinse position on the timer and would only run for 10 seconds then stop. I thought it might be the heated water system stopping it so I deselected the option and tried other cycles. I did get it to pump out. From there it did not want to fill. Also did not want to pump out. So I went shopping.

I had been looking because of the age of the machine. Also racks were rusty and detergent dispenser gasket was old and dry. Exterior cabinet has some rust. I had settled on Maytag because of the self cleaning filtration system, pricing and overall quality. I checked Best Buy and Home Depot on line for price and installation dates. Then I drove down to Frutiridge Road and Zajic Appliance. This is where I bought my Speed Queen washer and dryer in 2017. The price is a little higher but installation a little lower and they had one model in stock. The will deliver and install on Dec. 30. I installed the Kenmore but I do not want to install this type of dishwasher. I also would rather have Zajic than Home Depot to do the installation.

I ordered Maytag MDB8959SKW in white to match my kitchen.

Of course this morning the old dishwasher seems to be operating. Maybe it is the pop up inside that prevents overfill of water. I hit that a couple of times before trying to operate. I am still replacing it.


Post# 1136547 , Reply# 1   12/18/2021 at 18:24 by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        

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At twenty years, it's had a good run!


Post# 1136560 , Reply# 2   12/18/2021 at 21:37 by PinkPower4 (USA)        
MDB8959SKW

I will be buying a dishwasher soon and have narrowed it down to the Maytag model you have in black or white or a Bosch 800. I would love to read your review on this later :-).

Post# 1136563 , Reply# 3   12/18/2021 at 22:08 by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)        
Now that you got it work...

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Maybe hang onto the old dishwasher, it can come in handy for really dirty things like grills and broiler pans you don't want in the new one.  I find it a good thing to have an extra dishwasher in the basement.


Post# 1136566 , Reply# 4   12/18/2021 at 22:28 by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        
spray arm action

I thought the latest Maytags alternate their spray arms. Why don't they run simultaneously in the Maytag?

Post# 1136570 , Reply# 5   12/18/2021 at 22:47 by Egress (Oregon)        

the pump does not circulate enough water to supply all of the arms at once.
because of this, a diverter valve alternates spray arms, I believe in 4 zones, bottom, center, 3rd rack, top. this of course makes cycle times longer.


Post# 1136574 , Reply# 6   12/19/2021 at 03:45 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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My Maytag is a 2014 front control Model between 7/8 years old at this point. No problems.

If I had to stop for a DW today it would probably be this one you got as well. Truthfully, I don't mind front controls at all, but the front control one doesn't have the third rack..

I also noticed this no longer has the top tiered rack (thank goodness).....which I live with but is a total pain sometimes.


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Post# 1136585 , Reply# 7   12/19/2021 at 15:13 by 48bencix (Sacramento CA)        
Cycle Guide

Normal Cycle is 2 hours 4 minutes and 3 gallons of water
Quick Cycle is 1 hour and 5.9 gallons of water


The Quick Cycle might wash all levels at once. The cycle guide is available at Best Buy under interactive tour and documents. It does not detail the actual cycle and how many washes and rinses in each. So each fill might be only about 2 quarts, not enough to operate all wash levels.

The old dishwasher washed today. I do not know what caused it to stop washing a few days ago. The overfill sensor was pretty dirty and may have stuck, preventing a fill, but that would not stop the motor.


Post# 1136589 , Reply# 8   12/19/2021 at 15:54 by appnut (TX)        

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Quickk Wash is most likely just like my 2015 Kenmore Elite/KitchenAid prewash/rinse/main wash/ rinse/rinse. Time minute segments are 9/7/18/24. The last rinse is so long to allow for water heating to help with no heat dry.

Post# 1136595 , Reply# 9   12/19/2021 at 17:19 by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        
Maytag arm alternation

When did Maytag go to alternating wash arms? If so, why wasn't I informed? I thought they were the last holdout to run all arms at once. How were they able to do this?
I am intrigued to this day why Maytag recently started alternating their spray arms.


Post# 1136621 , Reply# 10   12/19/2021 at 20:47 by bradfordwhite (East Coast, U.S.)        

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It's probably quieter and more efficient to alternate the arms. The pump motor can be half the wattage and the dishes really don't need to have constant contact with the wash water action.

I remember my bisque 2000 TOL Frigidaire had the alternating wash arms.

I'm really impressed with the water usage though "Normal Cycle is 2 hours 4 minutes and 3 gallons of water"

They are not the noisy, energy and water hogs from the 70s and 80s.


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Post# 1136631 , Reply# 11   12/19/2021 at 23:14 by Egress (Oregon)        

Maytag went to alternating arms only with this most recent wash system. their previous system I believe was heavily based on the point voyager, which was whirlpools and kitchenaids last wash system to not alternate arms.

I only hope they have fixed the diverter valve leaks that were common on the filter based whirlpool/kitchenaid dishwashers. from the videos I have seen of this wash system the pump is at least powerful enough to hit the ceiling of the tub from the bottom spray arm.


Post# 1136670 , Reply# 12   12/20/2021 at 12:50 by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        
Maytag with alternating wash zones

It's interesting to know that Maytag finally went to the alternating wash system. Who would've thought?
Maytag never stated they were going to alternate their wash arms. Why now?


Post# 1136690 , Reply# 13   12/20/2021 at 16:39 by Egress (Oregon)        

Efficiency and likely whirlpool wanting to manufacture a single wash system instead of 3 or 4.

Post# 1136771 , Reply# 14   12/21/2021 at 14:10 by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        
whirlpool wash system for Maytag

How does Maytag's arm operation work? Does it start from the top then work its way down or vice versa? It's interesting that Whirlpool built a wash system for Maytag and include the hybrid between the global wash system and point voyager system in one. I am still intrigued.

Post# 1137035 , Reply# 15   12/23/2021 at 17:56 by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Long service life

That Ultrwash owes you nothing. My sister in law's Whirlpool quiet partner is from 1998. They're about to replace it. It's stuck on normal. Mine did the dame thing.

Post# 1137898 , Reply# 16   12/30/2021 at 19:14 by 48bencix (Sacramento CA)        
Arrived and Installed

My new Maytag Dishwasher arrived today. I am showing three photos of the old one, which I have had for 20 years. It stopped working then started working again. I still wanted the new one. You can see the three racks. I have only run the rinse cycle and short cycle. Amazingly quiet. Very light documentation and no description of the actual cycles, such as how many washes and rinses. I will try with actual load tomorrow.

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Post# 1137900 , Reply# 17   12/30/2021 at 19:48 by appnut (TX)        

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Martin, the Normal Cycle is Prewash, Wash, Purge if light soil and a full rinse if medium or heavy soil, final rinse, and dry. Light soil main wash temp is 105 degrees, normal soil is 120 degrees and heavy soil 120 degrees. The Heavy/PowerBlast cycle main wash is 120 or a bit higher and main wash is followed by 2 full rinses. Auto Cycle is variations of these. 1 hour wash is a prewash, rinse, main wash, and two rinses after wash. The final rinse on this cycle is 20 to 30 minutes long to make sure the final rinse water temp is higher. High temp wash raises main wash temp to 130 degrees. Standard final rinse temperature is 140 degrees. When Sani Rinse optoin is selected, main wash temp is raised to 135 or 140 degrees and final rinse is 155 degrees.

Post# 1137911 , Reply# 18   12/30/2021 at 21:23 by bradfordwhite (East Coast, U.S.)        

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Looks like a fun new toy.  I really like that 3rd level for flat items.

 

Thanks for sharing.


Post# 1137943 , Reply# 19   12/31/2021 at 09:02 by 48bencix (Sacramento CA)        
Thanks fpr the cycle explanation

Bob,
Thanks for the cycle sequence explanation. This morning I pressed start twice which selects the Auto Cycle should be two hours and 4 minutes, time shows 2:54. The Auto Cycle is the sensor cycle and could be as fast as 2:03. The top control is visible from the front because the counter has a gap below it so I can see the timer when it is running. For the first use I thought the auto cycle would be nice to try. Unless I am right next to it I cannot hear it so I may miss some of what it is doing.

I do wonder about the pods. I have been using the Finish ones and they left a red greasy residue at the bottom of the door. For the first wash I cut off that clear plastic cover. They used to package the pods in a foil pack and that was better. Yes, I know the clear plastic dissolves, but why was that residue in my old dishwasher?

Martin



Post# 1137962 , Reply# 20   12/31/2021 at 12:20 by appnut (TX)        

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Martin, the initial cycle run on Auto is a calibration cycle. It does extra stuff. The cycle will always start out displaying longest time and will adjust as cycle progresses if appropriate. In both my Whirlpool/KitchenAid produced products, the time display would decrease or increase as the situation warranted.

Post# 1137978 , Reply# 21   12/31/2021 at 14:24 by 48bencix (Sacramento CA)        
I suspected

I thought that might be the case. Another feature, miss-described in the literature, there is a small light on the front panel. When washing it glows blue, drying red, and when the cycle is done it glows white.

Post# 1137992 , Reply# 22   12/31/2021 at 17:24 by appnut (TX)        

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My 2 previous dishwashers did the same thing with the little light.

Post# 1138018 , Reply# 23   12/31/2021 at 21:19 by IIIJohnnyMacIII (North Carolina)        
Third Rack

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Martin, how do you like the third rack? Do you find it very useful?

Post# 1138046 , Reply# 24   1/1/2022 at 09:42 by 48bencix (Sacramento CA)        
Havn't had it long enough

John
Today is only the second full load. I put large spoons on the third rack. I am one of the "I do it every night" partial load users. But I actually do it in the morning because of cheaper electricity during the morning hours. Seems if I wait and do a really full load I run out of some bowl, plate or utensil. When I was shopping I actually liked the two rack model, but they had the three rack model in stock so I took it. Many dishwashers are not in stock. So you have to wait. Today I am testing it with a meatloaf glass pan, not pre-scrubbed like I normally did.

Oh, and Maytag makes a 9959 model with a fan. This model does not have the fan which would make drying more thorough. I have not seen that model anywhere. But it is not available in white so probably I would not want it.

I saw your comment about the filtration system and I purchased with a VISA card for the extra one year warranty. There have been some reports of the chopper breaking. But I think it is user replaceable.

Martin


Post# 1138057 , Reply# 25   1/1/2022 at 14:01 by 48bencix (Sacramento CA)        
Meat Loaf Pan

The glass Meat Loaf pan came out squeaky clean. Lots of residue on it before washing. Happy with that.

Post# 1138227 , Reply# 26   1/2/2022 at 21:48 by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        
48bencix

Does your dishwasher alternate spraying or is it ran all at once?

Post# 1138228 , Reply# 27   1/2/2022 at 22:05 by IIIJohnnyMacIII (North Carolina)        

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Thatís nice to hear, Martin. Iíd say you know how to pick dishwashers. Hereís to this one lasting as long as your last one!

Post# 1138263 , Reply# 28   1/3/2022 at 10:25 by 48bencix (Sacramento CA)        
Too many models

Maytag makes too many models. If I had taken more time I would have ordered a model with the fan for drying. So far this one dries as well as my old dishwasher. The washing is much better, removing lots of gunk that I used to scrub off.

This model is alternating to how many levels I do not know. Maybe more than just two.

I asked about other brands and the salesman said that Bosch makes good dishwashers, but they did not have any in stock, and take a long time to order.

All in all I am happy with this one. I should have taken pictures before they slid it in. The insulation is 1/4" black material. Not the usual 1" thick fiberglass.

I am used to running the hot water for a few seconds to supply the dishwasher with the hottest water. Probably does not matter since the water is automatically heated for various washes and rinses. Since the cycles are so long, water coming in later would be colder.


Post# 1138291 , Reply# 29   1/3/2022 at 15:55 by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
Cycle

Glad you like it. I am very interested to see how reliable these machines are. From what I have read, it appears that the Auto cycle performs 2 post-rinses regardless (including final rinse). I would also look for a machine with the fan for drying.
I would imagine the issue with greasy residue would be resolved with adding phosphates to the detergent dispenser.


Post# 1138292 , Reply# 30   1/3/2022 at 15:56 by henene4 (Emden (Germany))        
BSH DW are in short supply

Over here, currently, if you can get ahold of any Bosch (or BSH DW in general), you'll be paying basically 1-2 model tiers higher than you get.

Entry line used to retail for below 400Ä, now retail at what the midrange was before.
Midrange is higher range, higher range retail for TOL money and the TOLs retail for Miele money.


Post# 1138303 , Reply# 31   1/3/2022 at 17:25 by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        
videos of these

I'd love to see videos of these new Maytags in action from the inside. It will be interesting to see which of the arms will alternate during a cycle. It looks like Maytag was the last brand to move to alternating wash system.

Post# 1140632 , Reply# 32   1/29/2022 at 10:05 by 48bencix (Sacramento CA)        
Initial Observations

I have been using the new Maytag for about a month. Here's what I like:

Very good washing using the Auto cycle. The Quick cycle is not as thorough. I do not mind the long cycles. I am rinsing the dishes but not as much as I used to. Two times there was food in the Foreign Object Cup, once a pea and once two pieces of fettuccine. It is not really a filter that needs cleaning, but you have to look at it occasionally. The unit is quiet but not as quiet as I first thought. During the cycle, some portions are noisier than others. Probably the lowest washing level is the noisiest. I am letting the cycle run to the end. I used to open the old dishwasher and let the steam out during the drying cycle. The drying is very good even without a fan. A very small slot lets the steam and air out.

The old dishwasher had a white tub and white silverware basket which made the interior brighter and easier to see. Stainless is very dark and the racks and silverware basket being grey make it harder to see if there is still a spoon in there. I can see why some versions have interior lighting. (Kitchen Aid I think) The old dishwasher was not a tall tub and was a little easier to load on the bottom rack.

The grey interior plastic parts are water spotting. I do not have a water softener, the water is not real hard but it bothers me a little to see the non pristine grey plastic.

All in all I am pleased with this unit.

I received an offer from Maytag for a service plan. I decided to buy 5 years of coverage which starts after the one year original warranty. I finally read the two pages of tightly spaced information and am not sure if the warranty is that good. The plan has the option of a buy out if they do not want to repair. Product age of 1-5 years they give you 75% years 5-10 45%. So when the unit is in the last year of coverage they can just give you 45% of the original purchase price. This information was available before I bought the coverage but I did not read it until today. In California you have 60 days to revoke and get your money back. I will think about it. Has anyone used this type of warranty, think it is worth it?


Post# 1140663 , Reply# 33   1/29/2022 at 21:24 by spookiness (Alexandria VA)        
I'm in the market

Hello, longtime subscriber but haven't been on in awhile. I'm looking for something "mid-range" dishwasher somewhere between $700 and $900. I know about the Bosch 300 series, and

Maytag MDB4949SKZ has been on my list for a long time. I like the simple looks of it, price, and have read good things. It also is front rather than top control, which I kind of like.

Lately some GE models have caught my attention. GDF630PSMSS (front control), and GDP630PYRFS (top control). There are numerous variations of the top control model. Of the GE's, I like the 3rd rack, and I'm really attracted to the bottle jets. I can't find any other makers of bottle jets, except maybe a Kitchen Aid?

I haven't found any recent threads about GE. My current machine is Kenmore, maybe 10 years old, came with the house. It's ok, just ready to upgrade. In the past I avoided GE appliances, however the GE gas range in my old house was superb. The Kenmore range I have now (I think it's Whirlpool) is good, but I much prefer GE's F/R/R/F knob placement, than F/R/F/R which I still can't used to.

Are there any other dishwasher with my preferred criteria: $7/900, 1k max, stainless steel front, 3 rack, food disposer. Water jets would be real nice, I'm neutral on plastic vs stainless tub, noise level not important. Prefer a mainstream brand, US production a plus.




Post# 1140738 , Reply# 34   1/30/2022 at 21:14 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
My little opinion

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Keep in mind....while I love appliances and do some research, I don't have nearly the expertise as some on here. But I agree with your choice with the Maytag and I know of a few others who are happy with theirs...But I've also heard LG's are great too..

Post# 1140747 , Reply# 35   1/30/2022 at 22:53 by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        
Maytag alternating arms

I didn't see any info about Maytag's alternating wash system. They seem to be the last of the Whirlpool line to do so.

Post# 1140751 , Reply# 36   1/30/2022 at 23:21 by Egress (Oregon)        

its the same system used in the kitchenaid models. up until this generation, maytag used a wash system that I believe was based upon the point voyager, whirlpools last mainline wash system to not alternate arms. they are the last of the whirlpool built brands to shift to alternating arms.

Post# 1140766 , Reply# 37   1/31/2022 at 07:55 by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Best Mid Range DWs

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I would skip the GEs and LGs, we are seeing way too many problems with GE DWs these days and while LGs are nicely designed they are even less repairable.

 

Stick with GE for gas or electric ranges however.

 

John L.


Post# 1140884 , Reply# 38   2/1/2022 at 11:06 by spookiness (Alexandria VA)        

Thanks for the comment. I really do like the GE bottle washers, but there also seems to be an availability problem with GE. Another annoyance is Lowe's has them on sale for a great price, but they're "not in stock", and they won't let you backorder them. The come back in stock after the sale ends (imagine that), shoot back up in price, and go back out of stock again after only a couple days. So now I'm leaning towards the Maytag.

Post# 1140908 , Reply# 39   2/1/2022 at 16:32 by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        
maytag dishwasher alternating wash zones

If Andrew can get his hands on one of the new Maytags with alternating wash zones, I'd like to see it in action - both empty and full of dirty dishes.

Post# 1141013 , Reply# 40   2/2/2022 at 14:58 by Egress (Oregon)        

Agreed! There aren't many videos of these machines out there. in fact, this is the only one of the inside I've been able to find:



I am hopefully getting one in the next few months and will be sure to take video! depends on how long it takes for our kitchen to get put back together after our old dishwasher leaked all over...


Post# 1141080 , Reply# 41   2/3/2022 at 11:53 by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        
maytag dishwasher

It would be also nice to hear how it will sound empty as well as full on both the interior and exterior.

Post# 1145839 , Reply# 42   4/4/2022 at 13:55 by spookiness (Alexandria VA)        

Hello all. I wanted to update that I purchased the Maytag MDB8959SKZ 3-rack stainless tub with top controls. Overall it has performed great and I like the loading flexibility. Also, the price I got it for ($599 via Costco) seems exceptional. I think the MSRP is like 999, and I never saw a sale price near that low. I was looking at lower end models that cost more than that! Lowe's doesn't have the direct model equivalent, but they have an "exclusive" model, and the only difference seems to be a metal silverware basket, which seems like a dumb gimmick.

The delivery and installation process all went smoothly, and Costco adds on an extra 1 year of warranty.


Post# 1145853 , Reply# 43   4/4/2022 at 20:17 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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Yep that is a great price....

I read back through this thread and it leads me to a question if someone sees this... It has to do with selecting the Auto clean cycle...So then when I chose auto clean on mine...I can also select high temp wash and tough scrub...but I wonder, is that even needed with auto clean? I wonder what happens when choosing those two options in addition to auto clean? Perhaps it gives an extra rinse or something? It's kind of confusing because you would think auto clean would choose high temp wash for you... I don't know.


Post# 1145860 , Reply# 44   4/4/2022 at 23:40 by Cam2s (Nebraska)        

Iím not sure how the cycle modifiers work in these exact models but Iím guessing itís similar to the way it worked on the Point Voyager machines. While it didnít have an auto cycle, the normal cycle was sensor driven. Based on the number of APF purges tripped in the prewash it would select low or hi soil. Low soil included a purge and a rinse after the main wash, hi soil included two full rinses. The target temp was 120F regardless of soil level. Choosing high temp Wash raised the target temp to 135F and forced it into a high soil selection, regardless of how many APF purges were tripped. The newer units may very well be able to choose extra time, temperate, and rinses based on sensed soil conditions, but thereís no harm in allowing the cycle modifiers to still be active. As a user, itís nice to be able to tell the dishwasher that those dishes need extra scrubbing or sanitation, and it probably forces a high soil condition.

Post# 1145876 , Reply# 45   4/5/2022 at 14:02 by Egress (Oregon)        

It'll be interesting to see how this wash system handles APF. We have one arriving soon so I'll be sure to investigate. Also looking forward to seeing how it handles baked on foods & egg residue, both things that my point voyager couldn't handle.

Post# 1145879 , Reply# 46   4/5/2022 at 15:19 by henene4 (Emden (Germany))        

The new sensor cycles usually combine load size sensing with soil sensing and create much more flexible settings.

Usually the cycle can select number of prewashes, post rinses, time and temp of the main wash aswell as final rinse temp.

Given the options can add anywhere from no water up to several liters, my best guess is that high temp forces a 4 fill cycle while sanitize forces a 5 fill cycle (2 post rinses before final rinse).
But if these are anything like previous machines, the theoretical maximum of fills is 7 I think (3 prewashes, main wash, 2 post to rinses, final rinse) while the minimum is 2 1/2 (main wash, purge, final rinse).
So Auto could still sense that up.

Also, Auto can certainly select a main wash time, so it could potentially run a short but hot wash.


Post# 1145931 , Reply# 47   4/6/2022 at 15:38 by maytaga806 (Putnam, Michigan)        

Yes, the prior generation was a more refined point voyager based wash system, the thing is already whisper quiet I couldnít imagine why they would wanna make it alternate arms to make it quieter? Also this was the direct wash generation they used when they stopped making the point voyager Jetcleanís in 2014, so lasted about 6 years you cannot buy them brand new anymore as Maytag has obviously moved onto a new system which theyíve never, ever done with Maytags the only WP brand that has not seen this wash system yet until the year of 2020ish when this came out . I have nothing to say about the new ones I donít have one, but I can definitely say Iím happy enough with my 2020 model that features the good old wash system, which they called ďThe Clean Water WashĒaccording to its manual. I still have my powerclean portable from early 2000, still looks and runs like itís brand new. Absolutely love both of these very iconic reliable machines and unique in their own ways, old and new. But still share a very important characteristic, they hold enough power and run all arms at once giving everything a completely spotless clean every time reaching every corner nook and cranny, at least with this new/old Jetclean arm i installed into my PC and it now spins faster than the lower arm does due to the smaller jets and has better propulsion.

Congratulations on the new machine and hope it will serve you well for many years, cheers to well built older and modern WP machines! I have so far heard good things about the new system, other than the strange chopper blade malfunction but I think that also happened in the generation we have now.


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Post# 1146494 , Reply# 48   4/13/2022 at 18:25 by spookiness (Alexandria VA)        

@mark_wpduet

After several washes now, I would note that the only time I got sub-par wash results was once when I tried the Auto setting. Otherwise, I use Normal, and I think I used Quick once for a light load. This thing is definitely the quietest dishwasher I've ever had. The steel front is supposed to be fingerprint resistant, and so far that claim seems true.

My only complaint is that my everyday wine glasses with stems don't stand up in the middle rack very well. I know other WP/KA models have fold up/down stem holders, so I might do some research (i.e. take pics at home depot/lowes) to see if they might retrofit to mine if I can get the part online. Otherwise, I can't imagine a better $600 dishwasher (It's not on Costco site currently, so maybe it was a limited build or something)


Post# 1146624 , Reply# 49   4/15/2022 at 17:14 by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        
wash behavior

Did you notice any arm alternation during the cycle? What wash behavior did you observe compared to previous models?

Post# 1146702 , Reply# 50   4/16/2022 at 18:21 by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        
maytag dishwasher observations

Hey guys, I was at my friend Matt's house for blueberry pancakes and coffee among the usual breakfast items today. I ran their dishwasher and discovered that it alternated wash arms all throughout the cycle. Finally, my answer put my nagging question to rest about their latest dishwashers.


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