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Post# 1143807   3/6/2022 at 00:52 (754 days old) by Smartdrive1100 (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia)        

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Just wondering where can I get a kit, I’ve done searches but can only find orbital ones.
Could I use an orbital one in a helical?.





Post# 1143835 , Reply# 1   3/6/2022 at 09:49 (753 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Maytag Helical Liner Kit ??

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I have no idea what you are looking for.

 

John L.


Post# 1143894 , Reply# 2   3/6/2022 at 20:07 (753 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        

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transmission gasket?


Post# 1143901 , Reply# 3   3/6/2022 at 21:23 (753 days old) by Smartdrive1100 (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia)        
I probably wasn’t clear at all… I was extremely tired

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The seller said that the repairman broke the nut holding the tub in and it would need a new bearing liner kit (I have no idea what it is)

Here is a photo of the damage:


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Post# 1143902 , Reply# 4   3/6/2022 at 21:30 (753 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        

Here is a complete kit:

lorainfurniture.com/shop/applian...

This kit is the bearing (sleeve bearing) which I suppose could be a “liner” and the seal, tool, and fresh belts.

If you need just the seal:

lorainfurniture.com/shop/applian...


Post# 1143904 , Reply# 5   3/6/2022 at 21:58 (753 days old) by Smartdrive1100 (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia)        
Thanks Eugene!

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I’ll send a photo of the inside of the machine and get your thoughts, just to be clear I haven’t bought the machine yet (they are wanting $100 for it!).

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Post# 1143906 , Reply# 6   3/6/2022 at 22:41 (753 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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That's looking like a small capacity machine, which is incredibly small by todays standards. Do you have a model #?


Post# 1143910 , Reply# 7   3/6/2022 at 23:02 (753 days old) by Smartdrive1100 (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia)        
More photos

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Here is the model number and a few more photos

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Post# 1143913 , Reply# 8   3/6/2022 at 23:08 (753 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)        

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That definitely smacks of being a machine designed for a shared use situation, and the misuse shows in the area that needs repair.

 

Unless genuine Maytags are super scarce in Oz, I think you can do a lot better for $100.


Post# 1143916 , Reply# 9   3/6/2022 at 23:33 (753 days old) by Smartdrive1100 (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia)        
Aren’t that scarce in Melbourne

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I tried offering them $40 (even that is a stretch for me) but they said they wouldn’t go that low.

Also one bolt has snapped that is for that clamp that holds the top part of the tub on.

The grime was another thing, I don’t get how people can sell dirty and/or rusty machines.



Post# 1143917 , Reply# 10   3/6/2022 at 23:42 (753 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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Built in January, 1985.

 

It's a small capacity tub, and being a commercial laundromat machine, you have very little control and flexibility. 

 

You may want to hold out for a residential machine with a large capacity tub and at least a 2 speed motor.


Post# 1143918 , Reply# 11   3/6/2022 at 23:48 (753 days old) by Smartdrive1100 (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia)        
I don’t do much washing

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I don’t really mind not having the flexibility of a 2 speed motor and choosing water temperatures, etc.

I really do like the look of the commercial Maytags over the standard home ones.

We mainly get the orbitals for sale in Melbourne, the helical are a lot rarer in Australia but there is at least one for sale.


Post# 1143923 , Reply# 12   3/7/2022 at 02:42 (753 days old) by Smartdrive1100 (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia)        

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I don’t think Australia got the large capacity machines at that time, we did in the orbitals but I’m not sure about the helical.

Post# 1143927 , Reply# 13   3/7/2022 at 03:47 (753 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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Lot o' money for a broken washer.


Post# 1143928 , Reply# 14   3/7/2022 at 04:01 (753 days old) by Smartdrive1100 (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia)        
You can say that again

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People now think they can sell stuff for 50x what it’s worth, I saw in an old thread that @mayfan69 got a Simpson fluid drive for $5, now I can’t find any.

Post# 1143929 , Reply# 15   3/7/2022 at 05:44 (753 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
1985 Maytag Commercial Washer

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This could be a good machine for $100 if you like it, I also liked the look of the commercial models.

 

That said this machine needs a lot of work, just to start the transmission agitator shaft is so badly rusted you are very likely to need another transmission.

 

Maybe try finding another DC MT for a parts machine and make one out of two.

 

Note, all two belt MT washers are helical drive, it seems you are looking for the older pitman transmission models, in the US MT changed to the orbital transmission around 1990.

 

John 


Post# 1143930 , Reply# 16   3/7/2022 at 06:09 (753 days old) by Smartdrive1100 (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia)        
Rust is nothing for WD-40

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WD-40 is awesome for rusty parts (surface rust) just as you never use it as a lubricant as it is a degreaser.

$100 for a Maytag in this condition is a lot, I found a Maytag A9400 on the kerb and it was in better condition than this(just needed new belts), got rid of the machine as the bearings completely failed.


Post# 1143931 , Reply# 17   3/7/2022 at 06:32 (753 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        

I’m not sure but for some reason I remember hearing that speed queen machines are pretty expensive down under.

That said, it would be worth dismantling it first to see what’s salvageable. Like John said, if the agitator shaft is rotted out you’ll have to go through quite a bit to repair it as new ones are not really available.

If all looks ok, any one of the links I provided above would work.

I don’t think $100 is outrageous, I probably would buy it as I can resell coin units for around $500-600 in working condition


Post# 1143933 , Reply# 18   3/7/2022 at 06:46 (753 days old) by Smartdrive1100 (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia)        
Speed queens cost a lot

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They cost about $2,000-2,500, that’s why we use Fisher and paykel.



I don’t think I am prepared to spend $100 on a questionable machine, they did say it washed fine but the tub wouldn’t spin at all.

I’ve learned a lot about online shopping and how things look way better than what they are, I bought a Maytag Neptune that had bad bearings tried replacing them but the tub shaft had fused itself to the bearings and there was no hope of replacing the bearings, sadly said goodbye to that machine.


Post# 1144010 , Reply# 19   3/8/2022 at 07:19 (752 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

Old Simpsons are sort of an Aussie Maytag, if you like that sort of thing.

Wilkins Servis too, they even had stainless steel tubs with Maytag mechanicals.

They aren't exactly common but they do turn up regularly on Gumtree.


Post# 1144056 , Reply# 20   3/8/2022 at 15:55 (751 days old) by Smartdrive1100 (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia)        
I’d love a Simpson fluid drive

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I’d rather have a Simpson fluid driver over a Maytag, just that they have disappeared.

Post# 1144096 , Reply# 21   3/8/2022 at 21:23 (751 days old) by Smartdrive1100 (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia)        
I’ve never seen a Wilkins service on gumtree

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All I can find on gumtree are simpsons from the 80s and overpriced maytags, never seen a 50s Simpson or a Wilkins service.

Post# 1144112 , Reply# 22   3/9/2022 at 07:24 (751 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

It's Servis not service - this matters because if you spell it wrong, you won't get a match when you search.

 

It's the 1980s Simpsons I was referring to - the large capacity models appear to based on a Maytag, though the transmission is Simpson's own design. The basket mount and agitator shaft look the same as the Maytag bits in your photos above. I have no proof but I believe that Simpson must have had a Maytag out the back when they designed the 144 series.

 

I'm not recommending these machines, in fact I don't really like them, but if that is what you like, you need to look patiently for a long time and they do turn up occasionally.

 

If you like the large simple American-style washing machines, the Australian-made Hoover 500, 600 or 700 series were great washing machines, in my opinion better than a Simpson, Maytag or Wilkins Servis. They were based on a US Blackstone washing machine, but became more unique to Australia with every model revision. They wash really well, are very durable and are out there still in SMALL numbers. The old belt-drive Whirlpools were made here too, are very long-lived and still show up on Gumtree from time to time. Collectible washing machines aren't on Gumtree every week, and when they do show up they may be frustratingly far away from you, but keep waiting and looking, they are still out there but you have to be patient and diligent.

 

here's a Whirlpool:

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/razorback/washing-machines-dryers/automatic-whirlpool-washing-machine/1257896796

 

Here's a Hoover 720:

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/sunshine-west/washing-machines-dryers/hoover-washing-machine-model-a6092/1291628598

 

The Hoover 720 is in Suburban Melbourne, looks in good nick, possible rusty drum near agitator?(see photos) but if I were you I'd run and grab this washer. The rust looks only superficial and could be repaired with advice from others on this website. Run run run and get this washer....wink


Post# 1144159 , Reply# 23   3/9/2022 at 15:13 (750 days old) by Smartdrive1100 (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia)        
Autocorrect…

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Do the Hoovers have metal outer tubs?
I am aiming towards an all metal machine, like a Maytag or whirlpool belt drive(I did find that one in razorback, the only issue is that it was in razorback)


Post# 1144200 , Reply# 24   3/9/2022 at 23:53 (750 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

The Hoover 500 series and 600 series have enamelled steel outer tub.

The 700 and later have the improvement of a plastic outer tub.

I just don't get this nostalgia for steel outer tubs. The enamel chips and they rust. The bolt holes can leak. The plastic outer tubs never ever fail. The Hoover plastic ones are strong and durable.

I have a vague recollection that they upgraded the top bearing when they changed to plastic tub, but I might be wrong about that, it is many years since I owned one.

The 500 series (blue trim) had a belt-driven pump, it would spin as it drains. The clutch allows some slipping so it only gets up to full speed when it has emptied most of the water, but they were a bit prone to getting out of balance on small loads. The pump is unique to 500 and 600 series, spare ones would be rare by now. (I think I have a used one spare...)

 

600 series was basically the same as 500 but changed to mustard colour trim and added a weird water level operated brake to hold the tub still while pumping out until the water level had dropped, then it would release and spin.

 

700 series looks very similar to 600 series but changed to a simple electric pump so that spin didn't start until pump had emptied the tub. 700 series introduced the plastic outer tub. The pump in the 700 series is a simple electric pump, easily replaced by a generic one, it doesn't have to be an exact replica of the original. The same pump was used in Hoover Zodiac and Electra front loaders, so they were very common and though obsolete now, were durable and are probably still easily found second hand. I would have one or two.

 

As far as I'm concerned, the 700 series is definitely the best of them, it fixed some issues with the earlier ones.

Later the 800 started the process of cheapening the machines. Lightweight plastic tops and lids prone to cracking, for example.

 

That Whirlpool would be all enamelled steel inner and outer. (but it's a long way from you.)


Post# 1144204 , Reply# 25   3/10/2022 at 01:59 (750 days old) by Smartdrive1100 (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia)        
Thanks gizmo

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I’ve found a Hoover 620 that is really close to me, if it decides to rust out, I’ll always have my Cleansmart.

Is the suspension hung? Or is it some other way?


Post# 1144207 , Reply# 26   3/10/2022 at 03:11 (750 days old) by Smartdrive1100 (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia)        
Here’s the Facebook link for the Hoover

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It seems pretty rust and not in the best condition
Also more photos

Wanting $150, but I think I could get it for less.


CLICK HERE TO GO TO Smartdrive1100's LINK


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Post# 1144211 , Reply# 27   3/10/2022 at 06:14 (750 days old) by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Australian Hoover washing machine

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Me if you get this machine keep in mind that we have a huge stash of Blackstone parts that came from Fred up in Massachusetts we might have parts that you could use if you have to do any serious repairs on it.

John L


Post# 1144220 , Reply# 28   3/10/2022 at 08:01 (750 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

The suspension is not hung. (Bit of a personal question, isn't it? surprisedembarassed)

 

Mounted from underneath with three springs - like a Simpson, Maytag, I think Speed Queen too? They're very tolerant of out of balance, in fact most of them don't have an out of balance cut-out, they just spin a bit slower but still complete the wash. fuss free washers, they just get on with the job. I think the 800 series might have had an OOB cut out???

 

The 720 I listed is in better condition and is only asking $50, why would you spend $150 on a rough 620?


Post# 1144246 , Reply# 29   3/10/2022 at 14:42 (749 days old) by Smartdrive1100 (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia)        
The 650 is closer to me, by a fair bit.

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I will probably ask if I could get the 620 for a lower price.


I like having a machine that isn’t 100%, it just gives me something to do, also the reason on why I wanted to get the Maytag, but the Maytag was too far gone imo.
I’ve never had a Hoover top load before so there will be a lot of learning to do, but I’ll probably do a full budget restoration on it


Post# 1144276 , Reply# 30   3/11/2022 at 03:49 (749 days old) by Smartdrive1100 (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia)        
Any transmission issues on Hoovers?

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Are the transmissions known to die on these machines? In fact is there anything I need to worry about (apart from the metal outer tub), looks like a Maytag inside but looks like a blackstone money shot, so I’d assume the would be really reliable, one thing does stick out though and that is how the machine does a neutral drain and then kicks into spin that looks like the only thing to fail.

Post# 1144277 , Reply# 31   3/11/2022 at 06:33 (749 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

I think if the neutral drain device fails then you would just remove it and it would work the same as a 500 series - slow spinning as it drains, speeding up as the tub empties. Nothing to worry about.

The transmissions are pretty reliable, up to 700 series the top agitator shaft seal is above the usual water level which is good design. Later (800? 900?) ones had a shorter agitator shaft, like a Maytag, with the seal below water level so if the seal fails, the transmission fills with water. Silly.

 

These are old machines now, transmissions could be simply tired and worn out by now, but you have options - more machines will turn up in future, you get others for spare parts. Also John L (Combo52) above has kindly mentioned a big stash of Blackstone parts in the USA, so if needed, you could order from overseas. I may have a part or two - pumps, both belt drive and electric, almost for sure. Not much though, I only ever owned one. (a 720.) These big top loaders aren't really "My Thing" as I'm much more into oddball rare stuff and front loaders, but I was always impressed with the Hoover 720. I also had a friend who was a mum of 2, she had a 620, knew it was old but swore never to get rid of it, if it could be kept alive. She loved it.


Post# 1144279 , Reply# 32   3/11/2022 at 06:44 (749 days old) by Smartdrive1100 (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia)        
Thanks John!

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I’ll keep that in mind, although I don’t think anything is seriously wrong with it atm.

Post# 1144281 , Reply# 33   3/11/2022 at 06:54 (749 days old) by Smartdrive1100 (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia)        
I got the price down!

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I got the price down, a lot, $40!

The control panel does have a chip which is annoying.

I’ll see if I have enough room to fit the 720.

There is a Hoover zodiac 12 490 (pretty good condition) for sale for $80 somewhere in Melbourne, I’ll give you their phone number via email of you want it.

I’ll keep my eyes out for oddball machines for you as I could probably drop them off sometime.



Post# 1144334 , Reply# 34   3/11/2022 at 19:01 (748 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

Thanks for the offer Smartdrive.

I'm not looking for extra machines at the moment, though I'd make room for something special - a Lightburn twin tub with the paddle action, or another Keymatic - I have one but it is missing the motor.

 

If you need help with the Hoover, let me know. I know of a couple of places that just might have parts.

Also you might like to get a copy of "Repairing Australian Washing Machines" by Lindsay Alford. He has a chapter on the Hoover 500-900 series washers. See link below. I have known of Lindsay for many years, I used to get second hand parts from him when he had a workshop in Geelong, he was always friendly and helpful and had a huge stash of salvaged parts. He is now retired or semi-retired, works from home in a suburb of Geelong, still (last time I saw him, a few years ago) had a stockpile of parts. I have a copy of the book, it is very informative. I see he now has updates available online, I think he might sell the book as a PDF too? The book isn't fancy, just printed on A4 paper to put in your own folder, but the information in it is good and he's a lovely bloke so it's good to support him.



CLICK HERE TO GO TO gizmo's LINK

Post# 1144335 , Reply# 35   3/11/2022 at 19:11 (748 days old) by Smartdrive1100 (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia)        
I’ll check him out!

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The Hoover keymatics have really disappeared, I saw one for sale on gumtree a couple years ago, never saw one again.

Post# 1144432 , Reply# 36   3/13/2022 at 07:16 (747 days old) by Smartdrive1100 (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia)        
Found a lightburn, not the model you are after though

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Post# 1144433 , Reply# 37   3/13/2022 at 07:23 (747 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        
Lightburn tumble twin washer. (Big Twin.)

Oooh don't tempt me! My Nan had one of those.


Post# 1144464 , Reply# 38   3/13/2022 at 15:52 (746 days old) by Smartdrive1100 (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia)        

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It just popped up on Facebook marketplace and I just thought that you would like it.

Post# 1144495 , Reply# 39   3/14/2022 at 03:10 (746 days old) by Smartdrive1100 (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia)        
GE filter flow for free (with mini basket)

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What should I get now… I’m torn between the 620 (for some reason I want to get that), 720 and this filter flow I just found, what should I get?

Post# 1144496 , Reply# 40   3/14/2022 at 03:30 (746 days old) by Smartdrive1100 (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia)        

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The 720 is also free

Post# 1144497 , Reply# 41   3/14/2022 at 04:01 (746 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

If you've got room, get all three. You now have a collection...


Post# 1144498 , Reply# 42   3/14/2022 at 04:13 (746 days old) by Smartdrive1100 (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia)        

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I might be able to get the 720 and filter flow but I’d say the 620 is too far gone plus I don’t think I’ll have room unless I get rid of my parts dryer and my cleansmart (planning on selling my cleansmart).

But I’m not also sure if I can fix the rust on the bottom of the 720, the people with the 620 said it was fine just was ruff on the outside (also was sitting outside for a month and a bit).

What would be best to get first? I will only be able to get one machine for the time being and being that GE filter flows are not the easiest to find I’m edging towards that.



Post# 1144499 , Reply# 43   3/14/2022 at 04:51 (746 days old) by Smartdrive1100 (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia)        

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The GE is a no go, tonight is the only time I can get it but it’s too late. Only 2 machines then!

Post# 1144500 , Reply# 44   3/14/2022 at 05:29 (746 days old) by Smartdrive1100 (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia)        

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Now the 720 is gone, that leaves the 620.
I would prefer a 565 fully automatic but can’t find that nor a 520.



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