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Thread Number: 90013
/ Tag: Vintage Automatic Washers
Maytag washer clunking sound during agitation |
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| Post# 1146049 , Reply# 1 4/8/2022 at 12:23 (742 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas) | ||
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| Post# 1146058 , Reply# 2 4/8/2022 at 14:05 (742 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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| Post# 1146060 , Reply# 3 4/8/2022 at 14:20 (742 days old) by WoodJack99 (Massachusetts/Virginia, USA) | ||
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| Post# 1146067 , Reply# 4 4/8/2022 at 17:37 (742 days old) by ELKSK (sandy) | ||
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video http://youtube.com/shorts/rHF7IrqfX2s?feature=share sorry for the delay.. took the wife fishing today... we got skunked. ice to sketchy but not much shoreline open. | ||
| Post# 1146070 , Reply# 5 4/8/2022 at 18:26 (742 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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Yeah, it's the the transmission and brake package splines knocking away. It won't hurt anything but it'll get on your nerves after a while. I have gotten rid of that in the past by removing the brake package and applying boat trailer grease (extremely thick) to the transmission splines. Kind of a big job without the proper brake tool. | ||
Post# 1146072 , Reply# 7 4/8/2022 at 19:03 (742 days old) by turbokinetic  (Northport, Alabama USA) |
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Video does work for me, but I had to modify the link. I don't have experience with your model machine but can help with the video LOL!
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| Post# 1146079 , Reply# 9 4/8/2022 at 20:43 (742 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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There might be a slight bit excessive wear on the splines in the brake package, which I believe is made from aluminum. There's always a bit of play in there though. It's not worth replacing the brake package unless the internal spring is weak and causing the tub to index during agitation.
I have used the boat trailer grease method on the splines of several different noisy pitman drive transmissions and have had 100% success rate with it. Can't explain the magic behind the fix, it just works. | ||
| Post# 1146083 , Reply# 10 4/8/2022 at 21:06 (742 days old) by ELKSK (sandy) | ||
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boat trailer grease? is it made for the ball hitch? is that the same as bearing grease? | ||
| Post# 1146085 , Reply# 11 4/8/2022 at 21:12 (742 days old) by bendixmark (Winchester Mass) | ||
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Knocking The transmission is no good.I have seen this many times. | ||
| Post# 1146090 , Reply# 13 4/8/2022 at 21:37 (742 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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boat trailer grease? is it made for the ball hitch? is that the same as bearing grease?
It's a special grease designed for the wheel bearings in boat trailers that can withstand being submerged in water. It's extremely thick. The container I have is from the 1980's so age has probably thickened it up a bit more.
Something to keep in mind is that the upper transmission shaft and sleeve bearings can start seizing up and put a significantly heavier load on the trans shaft/brake package splines and cause that knock. Remove the belts and turn the center transmission pulley counterclockwise. It should be easy to turn with one finger. This post was last edited 04/08/2022 at 21:54 | ||
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Post# 1146095 , Reply# 14 4/8/2022 at 22:57 (742 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay) |
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Post# 1146106 , Reply# 15 4/9/2022 at 07:01 (741 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Maytag orbital transmission washer clunking in wash It’s always hard to tell from a video, but I think there’s something wrong inside the transmission.
If the sound came on relatively quickly I think this is the more likely failure here.
Greasing the splines of the transmission where it goes into the brake it’s not a bad idea but it won’t make that kind of noise.
As for removing the brake package I find the brake removal tools Almost useless I threw [ recycled for scrap steel ] a bunch of them away a while ago and we’ve been cleaning up the shop and I now find that we have three more I guess I should sell them LOL.
They really don’t grip the brake assembly very well and you can easily injure yourself when they slip loose when you’re trying to use them.
Any decent mechanic with a little penetrating oil on the threads in with one blow of a hammer and a vice grips you can unscrew that brake assembly easily unless the machines been sitting in a foot of water for many years and then you probably won’t get it off at all.
John L | ||
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Post# 1146116 , Reply# 17 4/9/2022 at 10:53 (741 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Repairing a Maytag orbital washer transmission One of the neat things about this machine is you can repair the transmission without removing it from the washer.
You lay it on its side you take the cover off while it is on the top, then you can rotate the transmission and drain the oil into a pan that you place below it.
Once it’s drained I would examine and see if you can figure out what is broken, or badly worn.
The oils not critical use 70 to 90 weight gear oil, if the oil looks good you can just strain it and put it back in if it’s not contaminated etc. or full of metal shavings or plastic bits.
The cover is just glued on with RTV silicone sealant there’s no gasket or O-ring.
John L. | ||
| Post# 1146139 , Reply# 18 4/9/2022 at 19:38 (741 days old) by ELKSK (sandy) | ||
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today was nice and last semi warm day to get some outside chores done.. but next 3-4 days will be good for working inside. plan to open the transmission tomorrow | ||
| Post# 1146195 , Reply# 20 4/10/2022 at 13:32 (740 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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| Post# 1146196 , Reply# 21 4/10/2022 at 13:43 (740 days old) by ELKSK (sandy) | ||
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ok I will put the clean 90 w oil back in. and seal it up. Also painting some shed trim today. its sunny and over 45f | ||
| Post# 1146215 , Reply# 22 4/10/2022 at 14:29 (740 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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Post# 1146219 , Reply# 23 4/10/2022 at 15:19 (740 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 1146232 , Reply# 25 4/10/2022 at 20:11 (740 days old) by Good-Shepherd (New Jersey) | ||
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any parts like the damper pad kit Damper pads can be lubed with silicone grease if they're in good shape, meaning not detached or damaged. | ||
| Post# 1146234 , Reply# 26 4/10/2022 at 20:16 (740 days old) by Good-Shepherd (New Jersey) | ||
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hoping I can get trailer grease Marine grease is what you are looking for: www.walmart.com/ip/Super-... | ||
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Post# 1146278 , Reply# 28 4/11/2022 at 10:54 (739 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Picture #2 is the brake assembly and you are correct you never take these apart, there is a 200 pound compressed spring in there.
Have you run the washer again with the new oil in the transmission to see if there is any change in the noise ?
Spray a little penetrating oil on the threads at the top of the brake assembly and knock it loose by smacking the vise-grip with a hammer and then unscrew the assembly and then grease the splines where the brake slips onto the lower shaft of the transmission and the reassemble and test the washer with a big load of clothing. John L. | ||
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Post# 1146292 , Reply# 32 4/11/2022 at 14:43 (739 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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| Post# 1146300 , Reply# 33 4/11/2022 at 17:16 (739 days old) by ELKSK (sandy) | ||
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the interesting thing about the hair is that there wasn't lots of hair in the cabinet. not lots of hair in our laundry room and never any pets inside the house with this unit. is there a way to learn of the date of manufacture? model LAT9714AAE S/N A0104798KU | ||
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Post# 1146307 , Reply# 34 4/11/2022 at 18:25 (739 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 1146312 , Reply# 36 4/11/2022 at 19:04 (739 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 1146315 , Reply# 37 4/11/2022 at 19:22 (739 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 1146318 , Reply# 38 4/11/2022 at 19:38 (739 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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| Post# 1146321 , Reply# 40 4/11/2022 at 20:41 (739 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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Except for the open belts on the bottom. Maybe a baby could get finger caught in that pump belt.
The front panel should have a gray belt guard cover at the bottom. If it doesn't, either someone took it off or a factory worker forgot to install it to the front cover.
Also looking at the parts houses it's ridiculous how much some of the parts cost the bleach hose and pump.
That's because virtually everything is now obsolete and Whirlpool/part houses are gouging customers on what's lingering in stock. You should have seen how ridiculously cheap prices were on parts when Maytag was still at the helm. I watched the gray leveling feet covers go from .75 cents each right before Whirlpool took over to $4 right after Whirlpool took over. I just checked and they now go for $9. Also, when Maytag was still Maytag, you could get parts 50 years back for nearly everything they made. Hard to imagine that sort of customer service once existed, but it did. This post was last edited 04/11/2022 at 21:10 | ||
| Post# 1146329 , Reply# 42 4/11/2022 at 23:52 (739 days old) by Good-Shepherd (New Jersey) | ||
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bought Lucas marine grease I found the Walmart SuperTech Marine grease is tackier than regular wheel bearing grease. IMO with the exception of Lubri-Plate most boutique oils and greases are nothing special. | ||
| Post# 1146350 , Reply# 43 4/12/2022 at 09:25 (738 days old) by ELKSK (sandy) | ||
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i searched wally and no stores here had that grease. | ||
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Post# 1146491 , Reply# 44 4/13/2022 at 17:58 (737 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Yay problem solved Good call Dan You definitely aced this one.
This is always the problem with listening to something on a video it’s very hard to figure out what’s going on when you’re not actually with the machine it looks like the two guys that responded that repair these machines for a living both blew it.
Sorry I helped put you through taking the transmission apart, if I see one of these making a knocking noise again obviously by holding the transmission you could probably stop the noise and I would try squirting some heavy oil under the rubber splash guard and see if that quiets sit down before I took it all apart to put grease on the splines.
This is the thing I love about this site even with as many machines as I worked on I do learn new things which helps me in what I do,
Thanks Dan
John L | ||
| Post# 1146577 , Reply# 46 4/14/2022 at 19:14 (736 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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The grease I use is by Sta Lube. It's goes under the title Marine Grease now instead of Boat and Trailer grease. According to some pictures on google, it looks like the same exact concoction as my 30+ year old grease.
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Post# 1146607 , Reply# 47 4/15/2022 at 07:18 (735 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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LAT Maytag Clunking Durning Agitation There is no likely way the steel splines on the transmission shaft would be worn, the brake is aluminum however and could be worn but I have never seen this as an issue.
If you hold the transmission durning agitation from moving and the noise goes away replace the brake assembly, I would just put in a used one as they never fail anyway.
Otherwise I would use the washer and see what happens if it is worn splines it is never going to fail anyway.
You can also add heavy sound deadener to the inside of the lower cabinet if the sound really bothers you,
My money is still on something starting to fail inside the transmission.
John L. | ||
| Post# 1146770 , Reply# 49 4/17/2022 at 11:43 (733 days old) by elksk (sandy) | ||
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Well the sound is back for sure. But at least I know it's an eminent catastrophe. Hopefully I did the utube link correct. | ||
| Post# 1146978 , Reply# 50 4/20/2022 at 08:45 (730 days old) by ELKSK (sandy) | ||
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since the last video I have observed 2 more loads with hardly any noise, one large and one small . Can it be from room temperature. it possible some loads at 65 and some at 75 | ||
| Post# 1147010 , Reply# 51 4/20/2022 at 18:44 (730 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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Yeah, it could be temperature related since the grease thins out with higher temps and provides less cushioning. I'm wondering if worn splines on the brake package may be contributing to the problem.
I'd start with searching for the thickest possible grease you can get your hands on and try that out first. It's the cheapest route. Also, confirm you are not hearing another noise during the spin cycle. A worn tub bearing or loose tub to brace bolts will cause a knocking sound during the spin cycle. Dry or worn damper pads can do that too. Don't overlook the simple things either like an unlevel machine. On a very unbalanced spin cycle, the bleach hose can bang against the cabinet and cause a knocking sound. I've also had the pressure switch hose in the right rear do that too, especially if it isn't place in the provided clamp. | ||
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