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Thread Number: 90128
/ Tag: Detergents and Additives
On The Quest For A New Powdered Laundry Detergent |
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| Post# 1147035 4/20/2022 at 23:21 (729 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
So I was just officially informed that Kirkland Institutional powdered detergent has been discontinued after being AWOL from the shelves the past few months in my area. This has been my go to detergent since the 90's. While I quit using it for cold washes around 2008 and recently for warm washes in the past year (Kirkland free and clear liquid for those cycles), I exclusively use it for pre wash and hot wash cycles. Since it's a nonbiological detergent, I can dump it in 160F hot wash/soak cycle with oxy bleach without feeling guilty about unnecessary enzyme death.
I noticed Costco carries Nellies Laundry Soda. Surprisingly, the reviews seem to be quite impressive for a natural product. Just wanted some opinions on that detergent for those who have experimented with it. I know Tide is king in the realm of powders but the aroma is too overbearing and long term use causes rash breakouts. Gain has identical results. Foca was kind of "meh" in performance region and that was back when it still had phosphates although I was using it under hard water conditions and I have a softener now. Cheer seems like a waste for my purpose as it's catered towards preserving dark colors. Haven't tried ALL in nearly 30 years. Any opinions are welcomed. It sounds weird, but losing this detergent is actually kind of an emotional experience that really caught me off guard, like I lost a family member. I'm not a detergent whore like others here so I just use what works well and stick with it as long the performance remains the same and I don't break out. | ||
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Post# 1147036 , Reply# 1 4/20/2022 at 23:41 (729 days old) by Launderess  (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Not all versions of Cheer are for darks. Most of their powder or liquid offerings are great for whites and colors.
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| Post# 1147038 , Reply# 2 4/20/2022 at 23:59 (729 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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Post# 1147039 , Reply# 3 4/21/2022 at 00:14 (729 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Non-bio in TOL detergents seems rare in USA.
If your wash isn't highly soiled All Free and Clear works well enough I find. homesteady.com/13422775/ingredie... | ||
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Post# 1147041 , Reply# 4 4/21/2022 at 01:45 (729 days old) by Appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 1147042 , Reply# 5 4/21/2022 at 01:58 (729 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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free and gentle powder? | ||
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Post# 1147060 , Reply# 6 4/21/2022 at 09:31 (729 days old) by lovestowash (St. Petersburg, FL) |
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In the plastic bag... | ||
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Post# 1147092 , Reply# 7 4/21/2022 at 15:31 (728 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA) |
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Post# 1147105 , Reply# 8 4/21/2022 at 17:34 (728 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Could you please provide a definition of "detergent whore?" | ||
| Post# 1147106 , Reply# 9 4/21/2022 at 17:48 (728 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
I will admit that I am a proud “ detergent whore”. I love trying new detergents that show up ….
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Post# 1147108 , Reply# 10 4/21/2022 at 17:59 (728 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Tide Free and Gentle Powder | ||
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Post# 1147109 , Reply# 11 4/21/2022 at 18:11 (728 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Most powdered detergents sold at janitorial or commercial/laundry supply places are heavy on alkaline substances (washing soda, sodium metasilicate, etc...) and usually light on enzymes, activated oxygen bleaching systems and other things you find in TOL consumer detergents like Tide or Persil.
Yes, there are better options available for industrial or professional use, but they tend to cost more than standard run of mill bottom shelf product. There is a reason why 10, 20 50 or whatever huge amount in pounds of these products cost comparatively little. www.ewg.org/guides/cleane... Anytime you see a laundry detergent that is also marketed to clean floors, walls, and other surfaces, that says something. dazzly.mybigcommerce.com/kirklan... Commercial or institutional laundries aren't bothered by higher pH levels because that is how soils, grease, and even certain marks such as blood are shifted without using enzymes. Also within confines of short wash cycles of about eight to twelve minutes chemicals work better. This of course is coupled with fact commercial/institutional laundries consider "warm" water 120 degrees F, and "hot" between 140 and 170 degrees F. | ||
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Post# 1147111 , Reply# 12 4/21/2022 at 18:22 (728 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Last time one checked many years ago Kirkland detergents were made by Huish. That company was bought by Sun Products (now Henkel North American Consumer Goods).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Produc... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henkel_Nor...(2018-present) Like everyone else nowadays Kirkland has various pods and liquid detergent offerings. Maybe it was like many other brands, Kirkland decided to stop powders and focus on liquid format laundry products. | ||
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Post# 1147125 , Reply# 14 4/21/2022 at 21:17 (728 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Talcum powder, long staple of the nursery and "powder rooms" had to go.
www.drugwatch.com/talcum-... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talc#Safet... www.safecosmetics.org/get-the-fa... As with asbestos talc may end up costing J&J (and probably others) really big money from legal proceedings. www.asbestos.com/news/202... | ||
| Post# 1147130 , Reply# 15 4/21/2022 at 23:43 (728 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
I honestly don’t really know what detergent I could recommend, but since I’ve used Maytags over the years, a low sudsing detergent that doesn’t kick up many suds would be my choice. Low sudsing detergent is also recommended for anyone who has a Whirlpool belt drive washer since they are known for suds locking very easily and I’ve done it a few times already.
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| Post# 1147131 , Reply# 16 4/22/2022 at 00:08 (728 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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Could you please provide a definition of "detergent whor | ||
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Post# 1147141 , Reply# 17 4/22/2022 at 07:35 (728 days old) by Mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas) |
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All Free & Clear powder is sold at Walmart. | ||
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Post# 1147169 , Reply# 18 4/22/2022 at 14:24 (727 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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Post# 1147170 , Reply# 19 4/22/2022 at 14:44 (727 days old) by Brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia) |
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Are you talking about the square buckets of Kirkland powder from Costco, or is there a different product? I got some to try, because being Kirkland it must be good and ended up throwing it out. So many suds and everything was stiff and scratchy. I didn’t find it to be good at all | ||
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Post# 1147178 , Reply# 20 4/22/2022 at 16:57 (727 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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Post# 1147198 , Reply# 21 4/22/2022 at 21:52 (727 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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When using powdered detergents like Kirkland and similar products, you really would want to use some sort of "sour" in final rinse. Bit of household white vinegar should suffice.
Again there is a reason why these "institutional" or whatever detergents are so cheap for huge containers, they are rather heavy on washing soda and silicates. | ||
| Post# 1147236 , Reply# 22 4/23/2022 at 15:18 (726 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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Yep, it's the square buckets. It's el chepo but works supremeo for my use. Consumer reports persistently gave it an "Excellent" rating. All of Costcos in my area are permanently out. I would have grabbed like 20 buckets had I known this was discontinued. I just assumed it was a supply issue given the current circumstances.
The 806 doesn't create suds nor does it sudslcok, even with mechanically softened water. Rinsing isn't a problem either with a warm spray rinse and deep rinse of 120F. The extra incoming water from mixing hot and cold water for 85F via the temper valve plus hot water straight from the supply (about a 7 gallon spray rinse) makes for excellent results. Then a 19 gallon 120F deep rinse for the win. No second rinses or sours required. Probably not recommended for front loader use or poor rinsing top loaders without a second rinse option. | ||
| Post# 1147266 , Reply# 23 4/23/2022 at 23:10 (726 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
Darn
That's a shame, I liked using this stuff. Guess I'll also be on the hunt for a replacement when I get a place of my own if I get a top loader because I prefer using powder for top loaders and liquid for front loaders. So far I've enjoyed trying out Tide, Arm & Hammer, and OxiClean.
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Post# 1147271 , Reply# 24 4/24/2022 at 00:38 (726 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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| Post# 1147272 , Reply# 25 4/24/2022 at 04:28 (726 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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Maybe I should get some? | ||
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Post# 1147297 , Reply# 26 4/24/2022 at 12:48 (725 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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The best thing I found about Kirkland Detergent 
was the BUCKET I use it to store a decent washing powder in from Aldi or Lidl as with another member found the Kirkland stuff useless at cleaning anything did not remove dirt out the dog bed which is always a good test. So yes threw it in a black sack and in the trash it went, Like an idiot I also tried using their own DW pods ..... another mistake I won't make again.
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Post# 1147298 , Reply# 27 4/24/2022 at 12:56 (725 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT) |
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I found out the dishwasher pods work really well, They actually seem to work better than Aldi’s on a hot long wash, I’ll try throwing a greasy pan in there Because that’s one way to definitely test it plus running the hot water until it’s actually hot helps | ||
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Post# 1147299 , Reply# 28 4/24/2022 at 13:03 (725 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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DW pods used in | ||
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Post# 1147301 , Reply# 30 4/24/2022 at 13:05 (725 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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This really is not worth arguing about | ||
| Post# 1147304 , Reply# 31 4/24/2022 at 13:36 (725 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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As Adam mentions, it works best in warm and hot water. I don't have issues with it dissolving in 85F temps in a top loader but I can see it having issues in a front loader. Liquid detergent produces better results for dark items, anyway. It works very well for oil and grease stains as well as ground in dirt, which aligns with my habits. It contains no enzymes but using oxybleach makes up for most of its downfalls. I really enjoy the almost undetectable scent rather than smelling like a purfumey whorehouse.
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Post# 1147335 , Reply# 32 4/24/2022 at 23:58 (725 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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Well, I found my old bucket of Kirkland today... lingering in the workshop building here. Can't remember the last time I used it, though.
I may bring it in to test on the next load in a week or so. I typically use warm or hot water, very rarely if ever cold. So it should be OK for me. Since it's probably going to disappear soon, I might swing by the local Costco to pick up a bucket or two extra. Depending on the price of course. As I recall, it can also be used for other cleaning, such as floors and walls. The water here is relatively soft, which may help it perform better. Although as the drought wears on perhaps the water will get harder. | ||
| Post# 1147342 , Reply# 33 4/25/2022 at 05:52 (725 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
That's weird. I haven't seen those big buckets of detergent at my Costco...anyway...for the past few years I've used Windfresh in the big bucket. Yes, it's one of those detergents that's probably not the best...but seriously I have never had an issue with it....If I have an oil stain on some clothing I usually put a drop of dish soap on it...I don't feel like it makes the clothes stiff and everything feels clean. I just feel like powder is so much easier to deal with and since it comes in such a large container...you don't have to think about buying it for a year or more...
I've never been a detergent whore as much as I am an appliance whore. | ||
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Post# 1147384 , Reply# 35 4/25/2022 at 17:30 (724 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Biggest thing that can be said about enzymes in laundry detergents is they shift certain soils at lower temperatures. This and with less aggressive chemical action including strong bleaches.
As have said commercial laundries largely rely upon chemicals and pH levels to deal with all sorts of soiling. But then again wash cycles there are rarely longer than 8-12 minutes. Heavy soiling might have a pre-wash and or multiple main washes however. Whole "turn down the dial" thing for wash temperatures relies heavily upon enzymes, and activated oxygen bleaching systems (latter for whites and colourfast items). This and detergents loaded with lots of surfactants, solvents and tons of other chemicals. Indeed ingredient list for most TOL liquid laundry detergents goes on and on. | ||
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Post# 1147588 , Reply# 39 4/27/2022 at 23:35 (722 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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One can find OPL sort of institutional laundry products such as Kirkland, WindFresh, and others on shelves here for anyone including domestic consumers to purchase.
OTOH really big players like Ecolab, Diversey and others do not sell to anyone but commercial customers (laundries, dry cleaners, etc....) Everything comes through distributors or other suppliers who among other things are supposed to ensure against diversion. In many instances these products do not come with dosage information, supplier or dealer shows up at laundry or whatever and calibrates dosage to suit needs. Often not even owners of plants know what dosage is, they have to keep referring back to Ecolab or whoever if things aren't going well. This being said thanks to our friend Mr. Internet one can usually find Ecolab and other products being offered to anyone with a pulse. This is usually stock from closed laundries or other professional customers now surplus to requirements. Since Ecolab or whoever won't take things back, it's just sold on... Thing is Ecolab does *NOT* provide any sort of support for domestic customers. As stated if people have problems with such products they are directed to local distributor/supplier who acts as sales rep well as customer support/technical advisor. | ||
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Post# 1147590 , Reply# 40 4/27/2022 at 23:52 (722 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Another thing
Many of these proper commercial/institutional products are highly concentrated with powerful chemicals. If something requires only say ten ounces per 100lbs of wash, you'd have to work out on one's own amount needed for standard 11 to 18 pound home style washing machine.
Then there is also fact true commercial washing machines are designed and built to withstand exposure to quite often harsh alkalis, acids and other chemicals commonly found in institutional laundry products. Sodium hydroxide, sodium metasilicate, oxalic acid, sodium hydrosulphite, hydrochloric acid, hydrogen fluoride, and lately peracetic acid are staples in commercial laundries. Repeated exposure at high or even low levels can harm soft metals that commonly are used in domestic washing machines (brass, titanium, copper, nickel, aluminum). OTOH true commercial/industrial washing machines will have hard metals such as various grades of stainless steel. Acids can harm various materials made from rubber such as seals: sciencing.com/list-7498602-chemi... | ||
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Post# 1147591 , Reply# 41 4/27/2022 at 23:58 (722 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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All this being said P&G along with others am sure all have "professional" or "institutional" versions of their top shelf domestic laundry products. Tide and Ariel come to mind...
pgpro.com/en-us/brands/tide-prof... www.americanhotel.com/pg-... https://www.ebay.com/itm/121709257963... ltssoap.com/urun/ariel-professio... | ||
| Post# 1147609 , Reply# 42 4/28/2022 at 04:05 (722 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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So weird those big buckets of kirkland detergent aren't even on the costco website...searching "laundry detergent".. I have a feeling it's the same thing as Wind Fresh or at least very similar... I guess I've never had a problem with it dissolving EVER because I always use warm/hot.. I've never done two washes...one for bio wash and one for bleach....I didn't even know that was a thing.
Regarding the Kirkland dishwasher pods. I have some and while I do like the way they clean...I don't like the smell they leave. So when I'm done with this bucket I'm going back to Finish powerball | ||
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Post# 1147614 , Reply# 43 4/28/2022 at 07:47 (722 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT) |
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I just recently found out on that same Costco trip, Local Costco doesn’t sell Oxy clean any more as they say it’s discontinued, which genuinely sucks because I loved LOVED that stuff | ||
| Post# 1147654 , Reply# 44 4/28/2022 at 22:09 (721 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington) | ||
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| Post# 1148383 , Reply# 45 5/10/2022 at 00:49 (710 days old) by volsboy1 (East Tenn Smoky mountains ) | ||
 Try this stuff its great , Its low cost depending on optics, Its detergents for Hotels. worldwidejanitor.com/laundry-c-4... The detergent has enzymes in it and Phosphates for very light lemon scent. I use and it works great . Detergents work much better with Phosphates that goes double on stain removal. Its a 25 pound for 59 bucks .. That is the one you want low suds , enzymatic, Its the Enzymes that do all the cleaning . These low cost detergents for the most part take that out.
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| Post# 1148385 , Reply# 46 5/10/2022 at 01:22 (710 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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Post# 1148394 , Reply# 47 5/10/2022 at 07:44 (710 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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LoSuds from Crown Chemical....
This likely will do for your purposes OP... There are dozens of janitorial/laundry/cleaning product companies in USA alone that supply private label products for institutional use. www.crown-chem.com/assets... www.crown-chem.com/products/laun... Fact LoSuds is highly concentrated tells me pH is up there, which is normal as use of alkaline substances provides cleaning without necessarily lots of froth. Unfortunately formula (as usually always) is proprietary, so Crown doesn't list exactly what is in the stuff. Notice up front LoSuds tells you that for heavy soils and certain stains you need to either pretreat, presoak, or add additional chemicals. Thus even though contains enzymes this product like Kirkland, Boardwalk and other such powders aren't like top shelf domestic products such as Tide or Persil. But that's ok for institutional or commercial laundry use where there is vast array of boosters and other chemicals that can be purchased. It all depends upon what soil/stain you're wanting to remove. Crown like the rest has a vast array of products. www.crown-chem.com/produc... | ||
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Post# 1148429 , Reply# 49 5/10/2022 at 19:09 (709 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Forgot to say...
These sort of institutional/commercial/janitorial or whatever you want to call them laundry powders make two usual assumptions; things will be done in hot (140 to 160 degrees F) water washes, and liberal use of chlorine or another sort of bleach. Addition of enzymes is good, but most OPL, laundromat, institutional, commercial laundries do not run wash cycles nearly long enough to see total benefit. On machines with programmable cycles it would be possible I suppose to create one or more wash baths long enough in total to take full advantage, but then you're tying up a washer for longer periods. SQ washers at my local laundromat on "Heavy" soil run 30mins start to finish. | ||
| Post# 1148950 , Reply# 50 5/18/2022 at 02:53 (702 days old) by Stan (Napa CA) | ||
Dan 
Since you get on with the Kitkland powdered detergent (mostly washing soda)
And have skin issues with other powder detergents...I'm wondering if your skin doesn't like optical brighteners? Even All Free n Clear has OBs in it, as well as powdered Tide Freen n Clear. So maybe try unscented Ecos or Seventh Generation liquid detergent (they contain no OBs) Then spike with a little OxyClean (OxyClean is about 50% Washing soda anyway..so Maybe youl create a dupe for the Kitkland ? | ||
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Post# 1148966 , Reply# 52 5/18/2022 at 08:58 (702 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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Non bio powder
Now someone correct me if I am mistaken but I was always led to believe that non bio powder cleaned by bleaching fabrics as opposed to using enzymes? Which always made it superb for washing whites. Having used it for years for said whites I have gone back to Ariel as Persil non bio stopped cleaning as well when it became more suitable for sensitive skin.... Personally I have never been a believer in the hype its better for skin I have always assumed if your machine rinsed efficiently and it was spun well there should be no skin pollutants left??? Using Ariel and then when Lidl came along used their bio powder and colour powder for years and none of my children suffered any ill effects. IMHO its lazy washing habits that are more likely to be to blame not the product itself but can't imagine that being put on a box of Bold can you ????
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| Post# 1148972 , Reply# 53 5/18/2022 at 09:57 (702 days old) by iej (.... ) | ||
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| Post# 1149003 , Reply# 54 5/18/2022 at 18:20 (701 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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Non-Bio Powder Even the UK supermarkets sell their own 'Non-Bio' powders, so it is not really a duopoly between P&G and Lever. | ||
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Post# 1149007 , Reply# 55 5/18/2022 at 18:39 (701 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia) |
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I'd love to know how many people add Vanish to Non-Bio powder to help with cleaning, not realizing that it contains Enzymes as well as Oxy Bleach. | ||
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Post# 1149017 , Reply# 56 5/18/2022 at 20:16 (701 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Non bio detergents in general have a higher level of bleaching agents than not, at least top shelf products. As noted this is to remove color from marks that aren't broken apart and lifted by surfactant and mechanical action in wash. Advent of oxygen bleach activators meant this could be accomplished at temps lower than boil wash.
Enzymes are nowadays promoted in part for bleaching action since they do break apart and help remove marks. This is why products labeled having "Oxi" or "Oxy" action don't always contain any sort of bleach, but are loaded with enzymes, polymers, higher level of surfactant, etc... Idea here is to replace results given with bleaches... Enzyme residue.. Many commercial or industrial laundries that deal with infant/child wash (such as those for baby or children ward of hospitals), do not use enzyme containing detergents or other products. Apparently there is some fear about leaving residue that can irritate sensitive skin. Most common skin irritants from laundry products are perfumes and dyes, not saying enzymes are all good or bad. | ||
| Post# 1149026 , Reply# 57 5/19/2022 at 03:01 (701 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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"Enzymes are nowadays promoted in part for bleaching action since they do break apart and help remove marks. This is why products labeled having "Oxi" or "Oxy" action don't always contain any sort of bleach, but are loaded with enzymes, polymers, higher level of surfactant, etc... Idea here is to replace results given with bleaches..."
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Post# 1149029 , Reply# 59 5/19/2022 at 04:10 (701 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Tide "Oxi"
Notice P&G mentions nothing else but word "OXI", no claims about bleaching or whatever. No doubt clever marketing chaps have poured over tons of research and found people associate "oxi" with bleach (thanks to products like OxiClean no doubt".
Of course Tide OXI is a liquid detergent that does not contain any sort of bleaching agents, not that P&G ever said it did, so that's them for you. What matters to most I suppose is results; and on that score Tide Oxi seems to get job done. www.amazon.com/Tide-Ultra... "Non-bio detergents, as sold here anyway, don't contain any extra bleach" No, the various liquid formats likely won't. Quick look through SDS shows Fairy non-bio powder contains 10-20 percent sodium percarbonate. Persil non-bio and FILETTI are down to 5-10 percent. www.newhall.co.uk/media/7... www.mirius.com/wp-content/upload... cdn3.evostore.io/documents/ot_wh... PERSIL PROFESSIONAL BIOLOGICAL is 5-15% sodium percarbonate Persil bio powder (Diversey) is 3-10% sodium percarbonate www.waikatocleaningsuppli... Fairy non bio liquid is just glorified "liquid" detergent with good amount of surfactants for cleaning power. But wouldn't give half a crown for cleaning badly soiled wash. www.phsdirect.co.uk/media... | ||
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Post# 1149030 , Reply# 60 5/19/2022 at 04:23 (701 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Above all being said, one can achive good results with both bio and non-bio on average if one knows what one is doing.
Large raison d'etre for bio detergents is to work at lower wash temps. OTOH non-bio likely will give better results if one keeps to old ways of using plenty of hot or near boiling water wash temps. As have said, British hospital laundries well into 1970's got blood out of things with nothing more than soap, sodium metasilicate, perborate bleach and hot to very water. Not an enzyme in sight... | ||
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Post# 1149045 , Reply# 61 5/19/2022 at 10:34 (701 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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It looks like the term "Oxi" is not regulated, at least not in the USA which is kind of surprising because bleaching agents are oxidizing agents, so you`d think most consumers would expect some kind of bleach when they read oxi.
About enzymes (that is Protease or Subtilisin which could be a problem) most sources say it`s no issue for sensitive skin, but even outside of the UK some detergents targeted to sensitive skin contain them while others don`t. So the Non-Bio for sensitive skin is not a UK thing only. The difference is outside of the UK there hasn`t been any scare marketing for Non-Bio. Then there is an allergy warning printed on the product and listing of the enzyme in MSDSs mandatory in the EU if a certain percentage in the product is exceeded. Suppose it`s the dose that makes the poison. | ||
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Post# 1149082 , Reply# 62 5/19/2022 at 16:38 (700 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Oxi actually is an obsolete spelling of "oxy" from chemistry. Don't believe word "oxi" itself entered American English vernacular in a big way until OxiClean was introduced.
It has been off to the races ever since. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OxiClean... While "Oxiclean" is obviously a registered trademark, word oxi is not. Thus anyone is free to include it with advertising, marketing, product name, etc... And they have.... Tide, Purex, All, Persil (Henkel American version), Ariel (Mexican), Ace (Tide sold in Mexico), and others all have "oxi" detergents. Vanish and Formil among few others have laundry booster products that are powders or liquid formats. There you so see oxygen bleach. | ||
| Post# 1149089 , Reply# 63 5/19/2022 at 18:55 (700 days old) by iej (.... ) | ||
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Handy word that likely means very little but sounds technical in multiple languages. | ||
| Post# 1150284 , Reply# 65 6/4/2022 at 20:33 (684 days old) by tdewael (Michigan) | ||
OP mentioned Nellie’s Laundry Powder. I have been using it for a few years now and absolutely love it. Everything gets clean, I only need to use ½ tablespoon for an entire load, and everything gets clean. Bonus - no unexplained rashes. Packaging is fantastic, too. I’m not left with a ton of plastic that is likely to not actually be recycled.
Formerly I used EcoSmart unscented liquid, but the bottles were huge and plastic, and I grew tired of paying for water. So Nellie’s has been my choice now for a while. Tammy | ||
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Post# 1150362 , Reply# 67 6/5/2022 at 20:16 (683 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Am slowly going off liquids in favor of powders
Once what one has in stash liquid or pod wise is concerned, that will be end of things. Just prefer powders for various reasons, and have grown to detest pods (am that sick of peeling bits of plastic off dried washing).
Cleared out lint/sump area of the Miele last weekend, and it was fouled with black muck. Am sure it was because of use of liquid detergents. Do many a 120F and even 140F wash, plus add oxygen bleach often enough as well. Plus am not that sure liquid format detergents are great for environment. Natural tendency for anything made from water is to go off, thus these products are heavy on preservatives, binders and other chemicals to give shelf life. For whites and colourfast things, nothing beats a good powdered detergent. Things get better especially for stain removal if an activated oxygen bleaching system is included. | ||
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Post# 1150363 , Reply# 68 6/5/2022 at 20:17 (683 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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| Post# 1150592 , Reply# 71 6/8/2022 at 19:12 (680 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Post# 1150616 , Reply# 72 6/9/2022 at 01:06 (680 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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| Post# 1151338 , Reply# 73 6/16/2022 at 13:42 (672 days old) by iej (.... ) | ||
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Having a browse around, not as many colour detergents in powder form as there used to be. I hadn’t been shopping for them in quite a while. They still exist but two supermarkets I was in didn’t have any on the shelves, but loads of pods, pods and more pods and liquids. | ||
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Post# 1151340 , Reply# 74 6/16/2022 at 13:56 (672 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 1151512 , Reply# 75 6/17/2022 at 19:21 (671 days old) by iej (.... ) | ||
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I'll have a look. Is that stuff any good? | ||
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Post# 1151541 , Reply# 76 6/17/2022 at 22:59 (671 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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We had a thread about it some years ago.
www.automaticwasher.org/c... I'm using Una, sold by Aldi NL. I'm very happy with that. | ||
| Post# 1151542 , Reply# 77 6/17/2022 at 23:22 (671 days old) by iej (.... ) | ||
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I wonder if it’s the same product ? Una or Úna is a female first name here. So it would be a bit like having a washing powder called Lucy or Steve or something. | ||
| Post# 1152952 , Reply# 78 6/30/2022 at 13:09 (658 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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Update:
Soon after my post I got a bucket Nellies Laundry Soda and have been putting through its paces. It works surprisingly well considering it uses a minimal ingredients. The Good: The powder is very finely cut and immediately dissolves even in cold (85F tempered) water. It doesn't take much quantity to get slippery water results. 2 scoops gets the job done (about 2 tablespoons) for a full load in the 806 with mechanically sofened water. It's still hard to wrap my head around using such little detergent, like I'm using a front loader. It works phenomenally well on odors. I put it through a test of wearing the same clothes for 3 days straight while working 7-8 hours each day in the yard in 97-102F temps. Not a hint of odor and it has my favorite scent, nothing at all. It advertises that clothes come out softer than using other detergents which I ignored, but surprisingly this was not a false statement. The Bad: Mediocre results on stains. Has somewhat of a difficult time keeping dirt from redepositing on heavily soiled loads. I could possibly see long term use causing dingy results overtime. Thinking about ordering and adding some STPP to see if results improve. In addition to buying Nellies, I went to the dark side and purchase both liquid and powdered Tide to compare. Liquid Tide: Got mediocre results in the white cycle using 160F temps with oxygen bleach and a 3 hour soak. After a couple rounds of those mediocre results, my suspicion was that the hot water was immeadilty slaughtering the enzymes. This was confirmed by doing a pre-wash cycle of whites in warm (120F) water with a 4 minute agitation cycle using no oxygen bleach and only a 20 minute soaking period with excellent results. The problem is, oxygen bleach is nearly useless at these temps. For shits and giggles I decided to try Costco's Ultra Clean free and clear detergent I use strictly for cold/dark loads. Surprisingly, I consistently got better results than liquid Tide or Nellies using this in 160F temps with oxygen bleach and a 3 hour soak. I assume this detergent is less dependent on enzymes and more dependent on other ingredients to get the job done. Powdered Tide results to come in the near future. Still on the lookout for a non enzyme powered detergent (or even liquid detergent at this point). | ||
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Post# 1152964 , Reply# 79 6/30/2022 at 16:19 (658 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Your experience with Nellie’s laundry products were similar to mine. Tried them about 6-7 years ago. I was experimenting with many brands of detergent pods/pacs, so used Nellie’s “nuggets”. Performance was passable, but really fell down on stain removal. Loved the tin they came in, though!
Being a die-hard user of very hot (150F) water for washing whites, it took quite awhile for me to realize that the detergents I use (liquid Tide Stain Release, Persil ProClean + Stain Fighter, and as of about a month ago, Tide 10X pods with Oxi) stain removal is much better using temps around 115F. Totally counterintuitive to my old-school brain, but those wonderful enzyme cocktails in top-shelf detergents demand somewhat cooler temps. | ||
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Post# 1152965 , Reply# 80 6/30/2022 at 16:29 (658 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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If you want to use enzymes and oxygen bleach and you're going to do a pre-wash and a main wash, it's best to use the enzymes in the pre-wash and the oxygen bleach in the main wash. That's how it was done for many years in Europe when there were only a few detergents with enzymes available. We had special pre-wash detergent (like Biotex) that were dedicated pre-soak and pre-wash detergents.
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Post# 1153008 , Reply# 82 7/1/2022 at 08:08 (658 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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We don't wash in dirty water....
Old ways are sometimes best, to pre wash or soak heavily soiled items before going to main wash.
Modern detergents do have remarkable soil suspension powers, especially compared to soaps of old, but still.. For whites and colours two short washes of about 9-12 minutes each will produce better results on badly soiled laundry than one 18-24 minute main wash. All that being said most today do not generate much heavily soiled laundry like days of old. Good amount of what goes to wash today has been worn/used once and may not even have visible stains. Some body soil pretty much is all. Removing pre-wash as part of "Normal/Cottons/Linens" or other cycles of course cuts water use. So there is that. | ||
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Post# 1153016 , Reply# 83 7/1/2022 at 09:13 (658 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT) |
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Laundress I honestly wonder should it be a good idea if I should where are my clothes for a little longer than just a day, excluding undergarments and socks cause Those get alot of abuse right there | ||
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Post# 1153047 , Reply# 85 7/1/2022 at 17:15 (657 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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Nursing my Mother at home | ||
| Post# 1153056 , Reply# 86 7/1/2022 at 18:12 (657 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
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This was at my local Costco today.
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| Post# 1153057 , Reply# 87 7/1/2022 at 18:20 (657 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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This was at my local Costco today. | ||
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Post# 1153072 , Reply# 88 7/2/2022 at 02:57 (657 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Early on enzymes added to laundry detergents, soakers, etc.. were usually only subtilisin protease which worked slowly and at temps between 100F to 120F.
Technology improved not just protease but host of other enzymes now found in laundry products so they will work in temps low as 15 degrees C and up to 60 degrees C. Best results however are at lower temps. www.persil.com/uk/laundry... Rubber met the road and things diverged when it came down to North American versus UK wash day habits. In Europe washers that self heated water often were powerful enough to take coldest tap water to hot or boiling temps rather quickly. A prewash or soak before main wash, and or "Bio/Stain" option either slows down heating, and or stops thermostat at point to allow enzymes to get their bit done at proper temp range, then heating continues. In USA washing machines largely did and still don't heat water. Also until rather recently top loading machines with central beaters and short cycles dominated. So P&G had to create enzymes and bleaching systems that not only worked in dilute water conditions, but in short amount of time. Main reason why so many in Europe did boil washing was to activate oxygen bleach and or otherwise bleach heck out of whites/colourfast items. Activated oxygen bleaching systems (TAED) allowed turning dial down to get boil wash results at 60 degrees C. | ||
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Post# 1153086 , Reply# 90 7/2/2022 at 07:53 (657 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Average wash temperature across Europe is 40 degrees C. But even that is too high for many as good number of households still go with 60 degrees C or above. What those who care about such matters want is more or all households switching to 30 degree C washing.
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Post# 1153091 , Reply# 92 7/2/2022 at 09:00 (657 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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It's interesting when using vintage Persil 59 for a wash in my cold fill AEG washers.
Things start off as if there isn't any detergent, literally very little froth. As time passes and water temperature rises foaming increases. Since this product only has perborate bleach and no activator, use Persil 59 at temps of 60 degrees C or above. When temp of hot or boil wash is reached there is tons of lovely froth, especially when doing terry bath linen. | ||
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Post# 1153095 , Reply# 93 7/2/2022 at 09:22 (657 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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People with dustmite allergies are often advised to wash as often as possible at 60 degrees C. It takes a lot to kill those mites. It was one of the first things I was advised at the hospital when I was diagnosed with asthma.
My Siemens has four different stain options. The blood stain button ads a pre-wash automatically when activated. | ||
| Post# 1188215 , Reply# 94 8/22/2023 at 17:59 (240 days old) by Yuccadew ( US / East Coast ) | ||
Anyone try (Henkel) E laundry powder? I believe this is the brand my aunt in Poland used in the 90s. I just found it in a local Polish grocer in the US, and I’m looking forward to seeing how it is. I love the scent. Much different from the American brands, most of which I do not like and end up getting unscented.
I’m also looking forward to switching back over to powders after using liquids for a long time. Right now I have this one for whites, and Roma powder for colors.
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| Post# 1188303 , Reply# 95 8/23/2023 at 16:17 (239 days old) by volvoman (West Windsor, NJ) | ||
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Reply #94 ...What was the Polish grocer that you found this at? Did they have any other detergents? | ||
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Post# 1188329 , Reply# 97 8/23/2023 at 19:48 (239 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Proper amount of detergent to use in a wash load
Depends on a whole list of things
Water, hardness, Water, temperature, Water, temperature, the colder, the water, the more you need Volume of water Quality of the detergent, concentration, etc. In general you can’t use too much detergent far more problems are caused by using two little, In general, I would start with what the manufacturer recommends. They’re usually pretty close. Check to see if the water is slippery after everything is dissolved and washing for a few minutes. However, it’s wasteful and costly to use too much detergent, generally, for most people, the most expensive part of washing a load of clothing is the cost of the detergent. It’s generally far more than the cost of the water, the heating of the water and certainly the small cost of electricity that the washing machine uses to operate , John | ||
| Post# 1188333 , Reply# 98 8/23/2023 at 20:02 (239 days old) by yuccadew ( US / East Coast ) | ||
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volvoman- Roly Poly in New Britain, CT has the “E” for whites. There was 1 bag left after I purchased this one. They also had others in small boxes. Vizir (1 left), which I took a picture of, and also Persil and Arial (no photo). My mother also found the E for darks and colors (pictured) at Polmart today, also in New Britain. She didn’t see what else they had, but she said there were several bags of E left. I love the smell!
angus- they have a conversion chart on the back (pictured). First you have to determine whether you have hard or soft water, then how heavy/large the load is. They give you the amount of detergent to use in ml, so you just have to convert it to cups. For my husband and son’s heavier, and more soiled loads I’ll use about 3/4 cup per load; 1/2 a cup or so for light duty loads (more or less, I’ll play around with it a little until I get it right. I haven’t used powder in a while). I have a top loading washer, and our water is on the hard side. | ||
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