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Thread Number: 90657
/ Tag: Vintage Automatic Washers
Whirlpool/Kenmore Drain Time |
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Post# 1151644 6/19/2022 at 06:34 (670 days old) by chetlaham  (United States) |
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Why did belt driven washers have a 4 minute drain period despite draining in well under 2 minutes? The BDs I used drained about as fast as a DD washers, but spent over 2 extra minutes in drain. Why was this done? Was this to assure there was no chance of the washer going into spin with even a bit of water in the tub?
What would happen if a BD washer was put into spin with the tub full or partially full of water? | ||
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Post# 1151650 , Reply# 1 6/19/2022 at 07:46 (670 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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I assumed the drain time for Kenmores & Whirlpools increased from 2 to 4 minutes when the large capacity tubs came into being. Kenmores with standard tubs drained for 2 minutes.
Having said that, my large capacity 1984 Whirlpool, which had a 4-minute drain time always seemed to be finished in 2 minutes. Someone with more knowledge about this may be able to clarify the drain time issue. | ||
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Post# 1151652 , Reply# 2 6/19/2022 at 08:17 (670 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1151656 , Reply# 3 6/19/2022 at 09:19 (670 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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 Four-min drain periods came into play on 18lb super-capacity models, as stated above. Standard-capacity models were always 2-mins, as I recall, including when both sizes were in the line. The longer time, of course, was to insure full drain of the larger volume of water involved in a full load across a variety of conditions that could potentially affect the flow rate, such as drain hose restriction, a high standpipe, clogging of the self-cleaning filter accumulated over a period of years. Possibly also to allow for some "drip time" to lessen the volume of water the pump had to handle at the start of spin of the larger loads of highly-absorbant items such as towels. Our 1976 18-pounder drained a full load in just-about-right-at two minutes for several years then got a tad slower as it aged. The spin shift solenoid circuit passes through the water level switch, and it won't engage unless the pressure switch contacts are reset to "empty tub" state. Attempting to spin with water in the tub will give a neutral drain until the level drops to the reset-point, then it will typically drop out of spin when the water swirls up enough to trigger the switch again ... possibly shift in-out of spin a couple/few times until enough water is drained so the switch no longer triggers on the swirl-up. The only way to force a spin-drain on a belt-drive is to manually reset the pressure switch by holding it at Reset position if a variable type or between positions for switches of the fixed-level(s) type. | ||
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Post# 1151663 , Reply# 4 6/19/2022 at 10:01 (669 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1151670 , Reply# 5 6/19/2022 at 10:58 (669 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 1151684 , Reply# 6 6/19/2022 at 13:10 (669 days old) by Chetlaham (United States) |
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| Post# 1151738 , Reply# 7 6/19/2022 at 18:09 (669 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
Basically what happens when it engages into the spin, the cam bar for the spin has a dip in it and when the solenoid engages, it pushes back the cam bar and causes the clutch to drop down along with the spin tube onto the pulley below it and the tub would begin to pick up speed in about 10 to 15 seconds time.
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Post# 1151751 , Reply# 8 6/19/2022 at 18:29 (669 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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The clutch parts are the yoke, spin drive disc, the spin pulley, and the clutch lining between them. Spin solenoid energizes, spin cam bar moves forward, the yoke drops down to move the brake linings away from their surfaces and engage the clutch lining to the spin pulley surface.
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| Post# 1151780 , Reply# 9 6/20/2022 at 03:11 (669 days old) by toploadloyalist (San Luis Obispo, CA) | ||
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I've read in the Kenmore washer operating instructions that they specifically advised NOT to put it into spin while the tub still had water in it, in order to avoid putting "an unnecessary strain on the motor". | ||
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Post# 1151788 , Reply# 10 6/20/2022 at 09:16 (669 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 1151797 , Reply# 11 6/20/2022 at 11:34 (668 days old) by Chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1152106 , Reply# 12 6/23/2022 at 06:08 (666 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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WP BD Washers Simple ???? | ||
| Post# 1152112 , Reply# 13 6/23/2022 at 07:57 (666 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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I will say Whirlpool belt drives never had issues with slipping into spin unlike the direct drives when used on a short wash cycle along with it being on a cold day. Plus the neutral drains tend to go out on the direct drives, belt drives never have the neutral drain fail on them unless the pump fails or the spin solenoid/plunger breaks not allowing it to disengage but other than those 2 things, the neutral drain never fails on a belt drive.
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Post# 1152118 , Reply# 14 6/23/2022 at 08:28 (666 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 1152178 , Reply# 15 6/23/2022 at 16:45 (665 days old) by Chetlaham (United States) |
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| Post# 1152180 , Reply# 16 6/23/2022 at 16:58 (665 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
"wigwag solenoids fail and plungers break (both agitate and spin), moving wires break."
Those are all easier to fix/replace vs pulling the transmission and R&R worn neutral drain cams and levers. The pump is much easier to replace on DD's though. The coupling is also easier to replace vs a belt replacement/adjustment on the BD's. | ||
| Post# 1152183 , Reply# 17 6/23/2022 at 17:10 (665 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Sometimes I think everyone in the 1980’s was sort of copying Maytag in a way since Maytag had a standing chassis with a cabinet over it since the direct drives and Speed Queen washers of the 1980’s and 1990’s all had a standing chassis with a cabinet over it. Plus Whirlpool and Speed Queen washers had front access by that point in the 80’s and 90’s.
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Post# 1152232 , Reply# 18 6/23/2022 at 23:12 (665 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York) |
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Post# 1152237 , Reply# 19 6/23/2022 at 23:55 (665 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 1152483 , Reply# 20 6/25/2022 at 23:06 (663 days old) by toploadloyalist (San Luis Obispo, CA) | ||
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It was in 1974 when Kenmore's Pre-Soak cycles were reduced from 30 to 22 minutes, thus adding the extra two-minute timer notch for the drain periods. | ||
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Post# 1152520 , Reply# 21 6/26/2022 at 10:13 (662 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 1152581 , Reply# 22 6/26/2022 at 23:59 (662 days old) by toploadloyalist (San Luis Obispo, CA) | ||
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What I meant was that the soak time reduction was an effect of the drain time expansion. | ||
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Post# 1152669 , Reply# 23 6/27/2022 at 22:03 (661 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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front serviceable I thought GE had front serviceable washers starting in 1995. | ||
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Post# 1152671 , Reply# 24 6/27/2022 at 22:05 (661 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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GE drain times What were GE's drain times in comparison to Whirlpool? | ||
| Post# 1153074 , Reply# 25 7/2/2022 at 03:28 (657 days old) by toploadloyalist (San Luis Obispo, CA) | ||
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GE Drain Times GE washers spin drained for about a minute. | ||
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