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Thread Number: 91375
/ Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
Permanent Press Cycles are Overrated |
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Post# 1158803 9/5/2022 at 20:17 (592 days old) by chetlaham  (United States) |
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Reading another thread about how Speed Queen combined PP and Heavy Duty into a single cycle, IMO this is another example of Permanent Press marketing strikes again negatively impacting performance and the environment.
While some washers over the decades did a half tub drain followed by two low speed spins, others spun on high with only a 10 second spray in the first spin acting as a cool down. GE filter flos did a continuous spray rinse, however my understanding is that clothes in the back bottom of the tub never actually had the cold water go through them thus still being hot at the end of the spin. Of all the PP cycle variants in use, I've never heard or seen anyone being able to tell difference. Questioning people over the years, most didn't seem to know what PP actually did, or made the assumption that PP was a wash action between normal and delicate. The way I feel about PP being that it significantly impacts washer performance, energy and garment life without providing anything in return. What I think people have been assuming/looking for/ actually needed is low speed agitation and a high speed spin instead of high speed agitation followed by wet clothes, longer drying and wasted water. How do others feel? | ||
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Post# 1158809 , Reply# 1 9/5/2022 at 20:39 (592 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.) |
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Post# 1158812 , Reply# 2 9/5/2022 at 20:49 (592 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 1158813 , Reply# 3 9/5/2022 at 20:54 (592 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 1158827 , Reply# 4 9/5/2022 at 23:09 (592 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Wash n Wear | ||
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Post# 1158828 , Reply# 5 9/5/2022 at 23:11 (592 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1158829 , Reply# 6 9/5/2022 at 23:12 (592 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1158837 , Reply# 7 9/6/2022 at 03:56 (591 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 1158842 , Reply# 8 9/6/2022 at 05:22 (591 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT) |
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What about on machines that do not have a permanent press Option? Does that mean we have to constantly change the The dial in between normal and delicates every so often just to try and recreate a permanent press cycle or do we just throw it straight on in regular short wash etc | ||
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Post# 1158873 , Reply# 9 9/6/2022 at 10:22 (591 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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How I feel about permanent press I don't use permanent press, so I find that cycle unnecessary. It was stupid of speed queen to combine heavy duty and permanent press together. They should've combined permanent press with delicate and heavy duty with normal and drop the eco altogether, or just have an eco cycle separate. | ||
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Post# 1158884 , Reply# 11 9/6/2022 at 11:39 (591 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Dampness for Drying
@foraloysius: You're correct I believe. You know more about fabrics than I do. However, me being my captious self, I would say post spin dampness is not needed to prevent wrinkles from setting in the dryer.
In the 90s Whirlpool badge machines would start the final PP spin at low speed, than shift to high speed for the last several minutes of the cycle. Advertising brochures claimed that this method prevented wrinkles like a low speed spin while giving the extraction advantages of a high speed spin. Being Whirlpool, I would guess they were confident in taking this gamble. Being that there was not fault out, I would say this offers at least some evidence that wet clothes are not needed for drying. In fact I'd go on a limb and say that this adds more evidence that PP cycles would be ok at least with a final high speed spin. | ||
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Post# 1158887 , Reply# 13 9/6/2022 at 11:52 (591 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 1158888 , Reply# 14 9/6/2022 at 11:52 (591 days old) by WindRivers (Wind River Range, WY) | ||
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Slight correction to my last post, it's called "normal eco" (not "eco normal") at least on the TC5. | ||
| Post# 1158889 , Reply# 15 9/6/2022 at 11:56 (591 days old) by WindRivers (Wind River Range, WY) | ||
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SQ Heavy Duty - Perm Press is equivalent to non-eco Normal Yes, but they have to play word games thanks to idiot regulations. | ||
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Post# 1158896 , Reply# 16 9/6/2022 at 14:04 (591 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 1158908 , Reply# 17 9/6/2022 at 16:40 (591 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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combining eco and normal They should've had an eco option. I am sick and tired of them combining permanent press and heavy duty. It was a stupid move. Suds do not come out of heavy items unless they're spun at full speed spin on the heaviest cycle like on their older models. Speed Queen, how stupid of you! | ||
| Post# 1158914 , Reply# 18 9/6/2022 at 17:27 (591 days old) by BlockEight88 (Hobart, IN) | ||
SQ TC5
I have the TC5 and I can attest there is no difference between Heavy Duty & PP. To my knowledge, PP on the TC5 does fast agitation and a low spin. I'm not sure but I think it also might do an extra spray rinse. It's pretty useless.
The Kenmore 80 Series washer I have does a 'Permanent Press I' which I can control the speed and spin followed by a spray rinse after the wash cycle. Even with the partial drain, are wrinkles really gone? | ||
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Post# 1158960 , Reply# 20 9/7/2022 at 02:36 (591 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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People having permanent press
I think most humans are much like you, they have garments and sheets labeled "permanent press" but wash and dry them like any other garment without second thought and without resulting problems.
Personally I look at something and ask myself, does this need delicate or normal and sort it from there. Regular cottons and sheets hot water, warm for casual items and cold for delicate. A lot of 3button coin op washers seem to be set up that way. | ||
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Post# 1158961 , Reply# 21 9/7/2022 at 02:43 (591 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1158965 , Reply# 22 9/7/2022 at 06:38 (590 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Not so much in Europe I think, but it may be different on your side of the pond. I do know that man made fabrics were more popular on your side than here. However I do remember some brand of no iron shirts that looked much better being washed on a PP cycle than on a regular one. IIRC the brand was Bel-o-fast.
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Post# 1158966 , Reply# 23 9/7/2022 at 06:41 (590 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1158971 , Reply# 24 9/7/2022 at 08:37 (590 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 1158975 , Reply# 25 9/7/2022 at 09:15 (590 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1158978 , Reply# 26 9/7/2022 at 09:26 (590 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 1159003 , Reply# 27 9/7/2022 at 17:19 (590 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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normal/casual cycle Does anybody remember when whirlpool combined the normal and casual cycles together on their duet lineup? | ||
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Post# 1159202 , Reply# 28 9/10/2022 at 07:29 (587 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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| Post# 1159360 , Reply# 29 9/12/2022 at 00:49 (586 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
I use the Wash N Wear cycle on my 1963 RCA Whirlpool Imperial Mark XII from time to time to wash some synthetic gym shorts and always have good results. Even washed a table cloth that appeared to be a permanent press type of material and was wrinkle free after and washed and dried it as well.
Maytag in the 50’s up until 1965 didn’t offer a Wash N Wear cycle on their washers but did however offer it on their dryers and in a way were sort of ahead of the curve since they figured of you were going to wash permanent press items you’d probably would put them into the dryer to remove any wrinkles and figured it wasn’t worth the R&D at the time to develop a Wash N Wear cycle when one would just put Wash N Wear/Permanent Press items into the dryer to be dried. | ||
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Post# 1159371 , Reply# 30 9/12/2022 at 04:13 (585 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 1159375 , Reply# 31 9/12/2022 at 09:04 (585 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT) |
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Could someone tell me How does the wash and wear cycle work? | ||
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Post# 1159376 , Reply# 32 9/12/2022 at 09:31 (585 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 1159450 , Reply# 33 9/13/2022 at 09:43 (584 days old) by Stephen (Palm Springs CA USA) | ||
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Miele WXI860 Must be! Even Miele removed their PP Cycle (Wrinle-Free) from their dial on their updated WXI860. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Stephen's LINK
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Post# 1159452 , Reply# 34 9/13/2022 at 10:18 (584 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Wash and wear and permanent press cycle’s on washers
Could make a very big difference and often gave excellent results.
The first nice washer our family had was a 1959 lady Kenmore that my brothers and I rebuilt in 1966. I use the wash and wear cycle all the time on that for washing shirts and my mothers dresses. I remember my aunt was over one time came down to the basement and she was absolutely amazed that I have ironed all these shirts from my brothers and father and dresses and I said they had not been ironed they’ve been washed in the Lady Kenmore and they have been dried in the dryer and they looked absolutely perfect hanging on the hangers. The lady Kenmore used about 20 gallons of cold water to cool the fabrics off before a nice quick low speed spin. The later whirlpool built top load washers where they agitated to mix the water off were an improvement and used less cold water. These cycles were necessary because it’s necessary to wash any outer clothing in fairly hot water to get it clean, detergents have improved somewhat and you can get away with lower wash temperatures today and this reduces the need for the wash and wear cycles although it’s still smart not to spin things so fast until they cooled by a nice cold rinse. Clothing should always be rinsed in as cold water as it’s available in any automatic washer, the cold water removes detergent better leaves of clothing less wrinkled reduces bacteria count in the clothing and in the machine to reduce the possibility of mold growth etc. Every detergent maker in every washing machine maker recommends cold water rinsing for all loads. John L K | ||
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Post# 1159587 , Reply# 35 9/15/2022 at 08:24 (582 days old) by Logixx (Germany) |
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| Post# 1159591 , Reply# 36 9/15/2022 at 09:39 (582 days old) by Stephen (Palm Springs CA USA) | ||
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proofing Exactly! Lol I would love to know what their reasoning was. Why hide Wrinkle-Free/Minimum Iron? And why replace it with Proofing, of all cycles.
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| Post# 1159594 , Reply# 37 9/15/2022 at 09:52 (582 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
LOL, Indeed! | ||
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Post# 1159600 , Reply# 38 9/15/2022 at 11:18 (582 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT) |
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Could someone explain to me What the HELL does proofing mean, does it mean the clothes rise? | ||
| Post# 1159603 , Reply# 39 9/15/2022 at 12:32 (582 days old) by Stephen (Palm Springs CA USA) | ||
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From manual
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Post# 1159604 , Reply# 40 9/15/2022 at 12:38 (582 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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Proofing | ||
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Post# 1159605 , Reply# 41 9/15/2022 at 12:42 (582 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 1159606 , Reply# 42 9/15/2022 at 13:37 (582 days old) by Stephen (Palm Springs CA USA) | ||
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It can. It’s just different. And it has a third rinse. WF has twice rinses. | ||
| Post# 1159607 , Reply# 43 9/15/2022 at 13:46 (582 days old) by Stephen (Palm Springs CA USA) | ||
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Dress Shirt Cycle Actually Dress Shorts has a Sensitive Wash Rhythm, a slower spin speed, and an extra rinse over the WF cycle. | ||
| Post# 1159642 , Reply# 44 9/16/2022 at 10:31 (581 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
#21 Who has clothes today that are prone to wrinkling? 
Me! I do!
And it’s annoying for someone like me who hates to iron. It’s taken me a long time to figure out settings to reduce wrinkles. And you’ll never guess where the issues are. On my cottons! My cotton work shirts and polos has serious wrinkling issues where the bottom hems, sleeve edges, and collars take on weird, HARD creases. Past washers with cool downs would help. They also aided in rinsing dark colors better. But the real secret I’ve found, even better than the PP or steam cycles on my dryers, is to Damp Dry these items. I then reform the collars and sleeves, and let them hang dry. With damp dry and the residual heat, they’re usually all dry several hours later. | ||
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Post# 1159789 , Reply# 45 9/18/2022 at 08:20 (579 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI) |
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A Vice Cycle, Kept by Habit! | ||
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