Thread Number: 91520  /  Tag: Detergents and Additives
the dishwasher detergent thing and the bleach
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Post# 1160448   9/26/2022 at 15:16 by bpetersxx (laf in on the banks of the Wabash River)        

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what is members using in their DW

I am using Kroger that i got eons ago

using a thin ribbon in the danby Dw

The Haier would use the same amount as it has a square depression in the door

I'm going to have to use bleach again as the cups and bowls that I use for coffee are getting coffee stains in them

Post# 1160453 , Reply# 1   9/26/2022 at 17:26 by appnut (TX)        

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I'm using Finish Max in-1 and Cascade Complete + Oxi Gel for prewash.

Post# 1160476 , Reply# 2   9/26/2022 at 22:36 by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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Running a KUD23, Iíve found a good mix of the Finish (new) Power pods and Finish powder for the prewash, at a certain grocery store.
This combo does real well in the 23 to get at coffee stains. Which it struggles with in the fast cycles.
Cascade pods foam way too much lately.
PG gotta stop *#$@ing with their formulas.

Post# 1160482 , Reply# 3   9/27/2022 at 01:13 by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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I use Cascade pods with Dawn and don't have a problem with anything. I've used the Finish Quantam pods as well with similar results. The only reason I prefer the Cascade pods is because I don't like unwrapping the Finish ones. But its not a dealbreaker if I found them on sale for a really good price I'd buy them again.

Post# 1160484 , Reply# 4   9/27/2022 at 03:07 by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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Premiere powder with chlorine or Palmolive Eco gel with chlorine.  I also am using a KUDI23 at the moment...the Maytag is resting.

Post# 1160503 , Reply# 5   9/27/2022 at 09:53 by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)        
Miele Dishwasher Tabs

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We use 1/2 of the Miele Dishwasher Tabs.  We have very soft water and most products suds way too much.  These tabs are hard so I can easily cut them in half and they do a beautiful job also keep the dishwasher interior nice and shiny.

Post# 1160636 , Reply# 6   9/29/2022 at 08:07 by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        

Currently using Kirkland Premium pacs, but I have a bottle of Cascade bleach gel. We have very hard water and with heavily soiled loads I will put the Costco pac in the silverware basket and the Cascade in the dispenser. It actually makes a great combo. Our only issue with stains are tomato/sauces on plastics. Though, not much is a match for the Antibacterial or Soak and Scrub cycles.

Post# 1160711 , Reply# 7   9/30/2022 at 12:55 by Awooff (Peoria, Illinois)        
Mechanically softened water here..

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Kroger loose powder removes even burned on soils for me. Have used this for many years but if even the slightest humidity gets to the detergent the performance decreases fast, and coffee stains show up first!

A chlorine based gel is always on hand as well for those non baked/dried on soils. Always nice to give the dw a chlorine bathe occasionally since powders are enzyme based.

Post# 1160721 , Reply# 8   9/30/2022 at 15:38 by jakeseacrest (Massachusetts)        

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Cascade Platinum or Finish Quantum for full cycles. I use Wal Mart/ Great Value powder for 1 hour wash cycles

Post# 1160755 , Reply# 9   9/30/2022 at 23:45 by lotsosudz (Sacramento, CA)        
Cascade Platinum

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Our KitchenAid Only likes Cascade Platinum! Tried The Finish Powerball Pods, And we got nothing but dirty dishes, and cloudy glassware. And we have softened water.

Post# 1160759 , Reply# 10   10/1/2022 at 00:35 by bradfordwhite (West Coast, U.S.)        
"it's the principle of it"

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I know, I know, but...


Are we STILL not simply rinsing out our dishes as soon as we're done using them, even if we aren't washing them immediately.... and wondering why things are so grubby?

So sad.

You too can have professional kitchen quality clean dishes. Believe in yourself.

It involves:

+simple rinsing your dishes as soon as your done with them. This gets rid of 95% of the dirt. One can even use cold water because all it's doing is knocking food particles into the drain and off your dishes.

Wipe greasy like butter, fat, or salad dressing with paper towels and throw away.


This alone would most likely get rid of coffee/cocoa staining.  Don't even have to get your hands wet or dirty.


+soaking the rare dish that has cooked on, sticky, or particularly staining foods like tomato based sauces.  Again you don't necessarily have to use hot water or detergent, but you can.  I on occasion will use a couple drops of bleach if appropriate.


Then, when ready, wash by hand using a soapy sponge method with direct rinsing under a hot stream of water, or

simply dump the soaking items, rinse, and load the dw with everything and push start.


It's NOT THAT DIFFICULT to have perfect sterile dishes! 


It helps if you have clean, filtered, and softened water.


Notice in the video, on a larger scale of this professional restaurant: 


on the far right a rinsing sink,


notice the second compartment he's got something that is terribly burned on and he's letting SOAK until the gunk can easily be removed.  Let the water do the work.  No scrubbing.


Then onto the main SOAKING compartment, 


Then into the dw.  Shame on this guy for not wearing blue nitrile or rubber gloves.  His hands are going to be wrinkled and worn in no time.


Best wishes.




Post# 1160770 , Reply# 11   10/1/2022 at 08:16 by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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Brad youíre absolutely crazy, I would never rinse dishes before putting them in the dishwasher thatís just a total waste of time water and it ends up clogging drains.

My dishes can sit for a week and theyíre far cleaner than your hand wash dishes theyíre washed and Rinsed in 150į water and then rinsed twice.

I can load an entire dishwasher in under five minutes and unload it in two minutes without ever getting my hands wet.

John L

Post# 1160875 , Reply# 12   10/2/2022 at 00:35 by tolivac (greenville nc)        

When I had a good dishwasher that worked and cycle was 45 min I rinsed off the large pieces into the disposer.I tried the leaving the dirty dishes in the washer-was greeted by a washer full of ROACHES "licking" my dishes.I started the washer and ran it roaches an all.Took 2 runs to get rid of the roach parts and legs.Loading the dirty dishes is fine if you are going to run the load right away.Not good if it has to sit for your next meals to fill up the machine.For the past several years I have done dishes by hand-haven't gotten sick yet.I don't want a machine that takes 3 hrs to do a load when I can wash what I use in 10 min!

Post# 1160877 , Reply# 13   10/2/2022 at 00:43 by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

I never rinse my dishes and might do 1 or 2 loads a week and all come out spotless. It's a fairly well known fact the the dish detergent clings to the soil on the dishes and dissolves it, without the soil the dishes may not be as clean.


In my KA it's Cascade Platinum pods all the way, fantastic results.

Post# 1160889 , Reply# 14   10/2/2022 at 07:21 by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)        

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You sound like my mother who is 95 years old and has OCD and possible dementia. She insists on pre rinsing, even scraping a food particle off with her old lady nails. I tell her not to do it, it just upsets her "we have to do this!". She is also picking particles off of the carpet with her nails, but I guess it gives her something to do.

When my parents were working and I did the dishes they went in dirty and nearly all the time came out clean and if a dish was still soiled it went in for another trip. This was with cheap noisy and sharp edged D&M Kenmores that did not live long.

Even now sometimes I will put in a cup that had chocolate milk just to have some soil in there. I think that helps prevent the corrosion that happens if the lye in Cascade has nothing to "work on"

Post# 1160896 , Reply# 15   10/2/2022 at 08:12 by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)        
I'm not washing dishes by hand...

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Aside from the fact that I don't want to ruin a good manicure (Hee Hee), there is no amount of reasoning that is going to convince me to wash dishes by hand.  If the water is off, they wait.  If the power is out, they wait.  If the dishwasher isn't working I'll use the other one or pick one of the many in the garage or shed.  


It ain't happenin' here.  We don't rinse and the dishwasher gets run usually every couple of days.  I've never had an issue letting them sit.  There have been times I've opened it, and it's a little stinky.  There's an easy fix.  Through a tab in the dispenser and start 'er up.  Problem solved.

Post# 1160897 , Reply# 16   10/2/2022 at 08:51 by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)        
But won't it attract ants?

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I have found leaving really dirty dishes in the dishwasher for 2 or 3 days there will be ants. Running the machine will solve that but have you had ants?

Post# 1160901 , Reply# 17   10/2/2022 at 10:13 by Awooff (Peoria, Illinois)        
Bugs / etching

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Ants may show up over a few weeks over summer and maybe those that live in southern states have more issues but if roaches are present then there are bigger issues then rinsing dishes! Thankfully have never had a roach.

Summer months/ants present - fruit based/dessert items will be rinsed or washed, with leftovers removed from the house immediately.

Glass etching has always been my problem to keep at bay and the nastier the better on dishes is best at keeping this minimal. Yes, detergents are strong enough to dissolve glass or rot dish racks! My 25yo plus dishwashers have zero rack rust and look BRAND NEW from NOT PRERINSING DISHES!

Post# 1160903 , Reply# 18   10/2/2022 at 10:13 by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)        
No bugs in my dishwasher..

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When I say it gets a little stinky, it's not from rotting food but from whatever we cooked, garlic, ginger those kinds of smells.  We scrape the chunks of food off so it's not like there are pieces of food in the bottom or anything.


I've never had any bugs of any kind in the dishwasher.  We've seen swarms of ants outside and things like that but not in the house.  I have a bug guy (actually now its a lady) who comes every quarter and treats all around the house so they don't get in.  That seems to do the trick.  If I need anything in between they will come out for free in between treatments and give it a boost.  I think that's a necessity here in the south.

Post# 1160912 , Reply# 19   10/2/2022 at 13:34 by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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I have for years often collected loads over several days ... 3 to 4 is not unusual ... no odor or bugs.

An odor did develop from morn to evening or evening to the next morn or noon when running Rinse/Hold on the KDI-17a according to its intended usage.† I found that odor was avoided by not running Rinse/Hold so as to not have the machine and accumulating dishware moist with residual dirty water.

Post# 1160993 , Reply# 20   10/2/2022 at 19:57 by bradfordwhite (West Coast, U.S.)        
I wouldn't even think to try and take away the dishwash

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I know there are loyalists here and busy people at that. I'm not sending the dishwasher police. Enjoy your dishwasher fun.

I'm just trying to help by stating that the rare item that gets stained or has stuck on food will come clean if you simply rinse it or wipe it off first, and if it needs it fill it with water and let simply soak a while.

Not EVERYTHING, not even most things.

Then wash it all in the dishwasher.

A good metaphor-
Which is easier to clean up or remove: wet or dry glue? Wet or dry paint? Wet or dry caulk?

Post# 1160997 , Reply# 21   10/2/2022 at 20:11 by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Getting dishes clean in a dishwasher

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It is far easier just to put everything in and every once in a while clean one in a 100 items by hand than trying to guess whatís not going to get clean and spending time pre-soaking etc.

Dishwashers do not burn on food itís really no harder to clean before or after itís been run through a dishwasher.

Anything that could be simply rinsed off is a cinch for any dishwasher to clean.

John L

Post# 1161161 , Reply# 22   10/5/2022 at 03:54 by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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yeah, I give my DW the benefit of the doubt first. It goes in dirty. If it's still dirty when it comes out, there's still a lot less to contend with. Less to scrub. Then it can go back in for the next wash. I've been pleasant surprised most times when it all came out clean....especially with the Maytag Jetclean.

Post# 1161175 , Reply# 23   10/5/2022 at 09:03 by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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I could imagine if someone is very anal about their dishes they might argue if one item didn`t come clean the rest of the load couldn`t possibly be entirely clean, because this one item might have spoiled the last rinse water.

Post# 1161176 , Reply# 24   10/5/2022 at 09:57 by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)        
It is kind of like that in a hospital central sterile supply

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If a load of surgical instruments comes out of a steam sterilizer wet (it's not supposed to be) that whole load must be processed from the beginning again. So people who work in health care might think that about the dishwasher.

As for my mom who pre-rinses, I have our dishwasher programmed for the light wash in a hope to extend the life of the machine since there is not much soil there.

Post# 1161177 , Reply# 25   10/5/2022 at 10:22 by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)        

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If we have a reject I just run the item through again not the entire load.  We very seldom have a reject.  I won't mention this thread to my germaphobe husband who may want to redo the entire load.  :)

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