Thread Number: 91520
/ Tag: Detergents and Additives
the dishwasher detergent thing and the bleach |
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Post# 1160448   9/26/2022 at 15:16 (569 days old) by bpetersxx (laf in on the banks of the Wabash River)   |   | |
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what is members using in their DW
I am using Kroger that i got eons ago using a thin ribbon in the danby Dw The Haier would use the same amount as it has a square depression in the door I'm going to have to use bleach again as the cups and bowls that I use for coffee are getting coffee stains in them |
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Post# 1160453 , Reply# 1   9/26/2022 at 17:26 (569 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 1160476 , Reply# 2   9/26/2022 at 22:36 (569 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)   |   | |
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Running a KUD23, I’ve found a good mix of the Finish (new) Power pods and Finish powder for the prewash, at a certain grocery store.
This combo does real well in the 23 to get at coffee stains. Which it struggles with in the fast cycles. Cascade pods foam way too much lately. PG gotta stop *#$@ing with their formulas. |
Post# 1160482 , Reply# 3   9/27/2022 at 01:13 (569 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )   |   | |
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I use Cascade pods with Dawn and don't have a problem with anything. I've used the Finish Quantam pods as well with similar results. The only reason I prefer the Cascade pods is because I don't like unwrapping the Finish ones. But its not a dealbreaker if I found them on sale for a really good price I'd buy them again.
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Post# 1160484 , Reply# 4   9/27/2022 at 03:07 (569 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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Post# 1160503 , Reply# 5   9/27/2022 at 09:53 (569 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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Post# 1160711 , Reply# 7   9/30/2022 at 12:55 (565 days old) by Awooff (Peoria, Illinois)   |   | |
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Kroger loose powder removes even burned on soils for me. Have used this for many years but if even the slightest humidity gets to the detergent the performance decreases fast, and coffee stains show up first!
A chlorine based gel is always on hand as well for those non baked/dried on soils. Always nice to give the dw a chlorine bathe occasionally since powders are enzyme based. |
Post# 1160721 , Reply# 8   9/30/2022 at 15:38 (565 days old) by jakeseacrest (Massachusetts)   |   | |
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Post# 1160755 , Reply# 9   9/30/2022 at 23:45 (565 days old) by lotsosudz (Sacramento, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 1160759 , Reply# 10   10/1/2022 at 00:35 (565 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)   |   | |
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I know, I know, but...
Are we STILL not simply rinsing out our dishes as soon as we're done using them, even if we aren't washing them immediately.... and wondering why things are so grubby? It involves:
Wipe greasy like butter, fat, or salad dressing with paper towels and throw away.
This alone would most likely get rid of coffee/cocoa staining. Don't even have to get your hands wet or dirty.
+soaking the rare dish that has cooked on, sticky, or particularly staining foods like tomato based sauces. Again you don't necessarily have to use hot water or detergent, but you can. I on occasion will use a couple drops of bleach if appropriate.
Then, when ready, wash by hand using a soapy sponge method with direct rinsing under a hot stream of water, or simply dump the soaking items, rinse, and load the dw with everything and push start.
It's NOT THAT DIFFICULT to have perfect sterile dishes!
It helps if you have clean, filtered, and softened water.
Notice in the video, on a larger scale of this professional restaurant:
on the far right a rinsing sink,
notice the second compartment he's got something that is terribly burned on and he's letting SOAK until the gunk can easily be removed. Let the water do the work. No scrubbing.
Then onto the main SOAKING compartment,
Then into the dw. Shame on this guy for not wearing blue nitrile or rubber gloves. His hands are going to be wrinkled and worn in no time.
Best wishes.
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Post# 1160770 , Reply# 11   10/1/2022 at 08:16 (565 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Brad you’re absolutely crazy, I would never rinse dishes before putting them in the dishwasher that’s just a total waste of time water and it ends up clogging drains.
My dishes can sit for a week and they’re far cleaner than your hand wash dishes they’re washed and Rinsed in 150° water and then rinsed twice. I can load an entire dishwasher in under five minutes and unload it in two minutes without ever getting my hands wet. John L |
Post# 1160889 , Reply# 14   10/2/2022 at 07:21 (564 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)   |   | |
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You sound like my mother who is 95 years old and has OCD and possible dementia. She insists on pre rinsing, even scraping a food particle off with her old lady nails. I tell her not to do it, it just upsets her "we have to do this!". She is also picking particles off of the carpet with her nails, but I guess it gives her something to do.
When my parents were working and I did the dishes they went in dirty and nearly all the time came out clean and if a dish was still soiled it went in for another trip. This was with cheap noisy and sharp edged D&M Kenmores that did not live long. Even now sometimes I will put in a cup that had chocolate milk just to have some soil in there. I think that helps prevent the corrosion that happens if the lye in Cascade has nothing to "work on" |
Post# 1160896 , Reply# 15   10/2/2022 at 08:12 (564 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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Aside from the fact that I don't want to ruin a good manicure (Hee Hee), there is no amount of reasoning that is going to convince me to wash dishes by hand. If the water is off, they wait. If the power is out, they wait. If the dishwasher isn't working I'll use the other one or pick one of the many in the garage or shed.
It ain't happenin' here. We don't rinse and the dishwasher gets run usually every couple of days. I've never had an issue letting them sit. There have been times I've opened it, and it's a little stinky. There's an easy fix. Through a tab in the dispenser and start 'er up. Problem solved. |
Post# 1160897 , Reply# 16   10/2/2022 at 08:51 (564 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)   |   | |
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Post# 1160901 , Reply# 17   10/2/2022 at 10:13 (564 days old) by Awooff (Peoria, Illinois)   |   | |
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Ants may show up over a few weeks over summer and maybe those that live in southern states have more issues but if roaches are present then there are bigger issues then rinsing dishes! Thankfully have never had a roach.
Summer months/ants present - fruit based/dessert items will be rinsed or washed, with leftovers removed from the house immediately. Glass etching has always been my problem to keep at bay and the nastier the better on dishes is best at keeping this minimal. Yes, detergents are strong enough to dissolve glass or rot dish racks! My 25yo plus dishwashers have zero rack rust and look BRAND NEW from NOT PRERINSING DISHES! |
Post# 1160903 , Reply# 18   10/2/2022 at 10:13 (564 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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When I say it gets a little stinky, it's not from rotting food but from whatever we cooked, garlic, ginger those kinds of smells. We scrape the chunks of food off so it's not like there are pieces of food in the bottom or anything.
I've never had any bugs of any kind in the dishwasher. We've seen swarms of ants outside and things like that but not in the house. I have a bug guy (actually now its a lady) who comes every quarter and treats all around the house so they don't get in. That seems to do the trick. If I need anything in between they will come out for free in between treatments and give it a boost. I think that's a necessity here in the south. |
Post# 1160912 , Reply# 19   10/2/2022 at 13:34 (563 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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I have for years often collected loads over several days ... 3 to 4 is not unusual ... no odor or bugs. An odor did develop from morn to evening or evening to the next morn or noon when running Rinse/Hold on the KDI-17a according to its intended usage. I found that odor was avoided by not running Rinse/Hold so as to not have the machine and accumulating dishware moist with residual dirty water. |
Post# 1160993 , Reply# 20   10/2/2022 at 19:57 (563 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)   |   | |
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I know there are loyalists here and busy people at that. I'm not sending the dishwasher police. Enjoy your dishwasher fun.
I'm just trying to help by stating that the rare item that gets stained or has stuck on food will come clean if you simply rinse it or wipe it off first, and if it needs it fill it with water and let simply soak a while. Not EVERYTHING, not even most things. Then wash it all in the dishwasher. A good metaphor- Which is easier to clean up or remove: wet or dry glue? Wet or dry paint? Wet or dry caulk? |
Post# 1160997 , Reply# 21   10/2/2022 at 20:11 (563 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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It is far easier just to put everything in and every once in a while clean one in a 100 items by hand than trying to guess what’s not going to get clean and spending time pre-soaking etc.
Dishwashers do not burn on food it’s really no harder to clean before or after it’s been run through a dishwasher. Anything that could be simply rinsed off is a cinch for any dishwasher to clean. John L |
Post# 1161161 , Reply# 22   10/5/2022 at 03:54 (561 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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yeah, I give my DW the benefit of the doubt first. It goes in dirty. If it's still dirty when it comes out, there's still a lot less to contend with. Less to scrub. Then it can go back in for the next wash. I've been pleasant surprised most times when it all came out clean....especially with the Maytag Jetclean.
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Post# 1161175 , Reply# 23   10/5/2022 at 09:03 (561 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 1161176 , Reply# 24   10/5/2022 at 09:57 (561 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)   |   | |
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If a load of surgical instruments comes out of a steam sterilizer wet (it's not supposed to be) that whole load must be processed from the beginning again. So people who work in health care might think that about the dishwasher.
As for my mom who pre-rinses, I have our dishwasher programmed for the light wash in a hope to extend the life of the machine since there is not much soil there. |
Post# 1161177 , Reply# 25   10/5/2022 at 10:22 (561 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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Post# 1179562 , Reply# 26   5/1/2023 at 17:40 (352 days old) by bpetersxx (laf in on the banks of the Wabash River)   |   | |
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sorry to resurrect an old thread
But here goes Going to bleach my cups and saucers Should I use the bleach in the long part of the cycle or the detergent then for the short part of the cycle the rinse that follows the wash use the other one bleach or detergent oh the cycle heats all of the time as it advances thru the intervals of the cycle thankkees |
Post# 1179570 , Reply# 27   5/1/2023 at 20:26 (352 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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Ideally, you'd want to use it in the shortest cycle. The problem is that most modern dishwashers do not have a rinse between the pre wash and main wash cycles and bleach will destroy the enzymes in the main wash. You could get around that by using a detergent that contains bleach. If you have long pre wash cycle that heats to a target temperature, you can you do a lukewarm purge at the faucet and use an enzyme detergent in the pre wash cycle and a bleach detergent in the main wash to take advantage of both styles of detergents. |
Post# 1179666 , Reply# 28   5/3/2023 at 00:39 (351 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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For both stain removal and disinfection chlorine bleach requires remarkably short contact time. Whatever stains aren't removed or germs killed in five or so minutes isn't going to happen. Times are actually shorter with hot or very hot water.
This is one reason commercial/industrial laundries use chlorine bleach in short first "rinse" cycle after main wash, or inject in last few minutes of final wash bath. Commercial dishwashers have very short cycles and chlorine bleach products work fine in terms of stain removal and germ killing within those parameters. Problem you're going to have with using chlorine bleach with modern domestic dishwasher detergents is they usually have oxygen bleach; sodium percarbonate, sodium perborate, or some other form of hydrogen peroxide. Chlorine and oxygen bleaches cancel each other out. Indeed commercial laundries use oxygen based bleaching products as "anti-clor" sours in first rinse to neutralize chlorine bleach residue. If using chlorine bleach in say first rinse after dishwasher drains main wash (after using oxygen based dw detergent), seems would be better. Otherwise you'll have to perhaps add more chlorine bleach to main wash in order to have a higher ratio of one to the other. |
Post# 1180281 , Reply# 30   5/10/2023 at 17:56 (343 days old) by bpetersxx (laf in on the banks of the Wabash River)   |   | |
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Post# 1180302 , Reply# 31   5/10/2023 at 21:12 (343 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 1180325 , Reply# 32   5/11/2023 at 01:53 (343 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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Post# 1180936 , Reply# 33   5/19/2023 at 06:50 (335 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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I currently use Cascade Platinum Plus here. I don't prerinse. Everything comes out shiny. |
Post# 1180943 , Reply# 34   5/19/2023 at 12:09 (334 days old) by Awooff (Peoria, Illinois)   |   | |
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Post# 1181396 , Reply# 38   5/28/2023 at 05:05 (326 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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Post# 1181420 , Reply# 39   5/28/2023 at 16:46 (325 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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So what is Palmolive Eco being replaced with? |
Post# 1181425 , Reply# 40   5/28/2023 at 18:46 (325 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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"I think Palmolive has discontinued the Eco detergent in the white bottle...can't find it anywhere now."
Amazon, Walmart, OfficeDepot and other online retail seem to have it in stock. www.amazon.com/Palmolive-...®-Detergent/dp/B071LPSFJ9 |
Post# 1181569 , Reply# 41   5/31/2023 at 03:19 (323 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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It is no longer listed on Palmolive website. I'm sure there's still some stock out there but my Walmart doesn't even have a spot on the shelf for it anymore and Walmart online (their own site not someone else piggybacking) says out of stock. Palmolive doesn't have any dishwasher detergent listed, just dishwashing liquids.
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Post# 1181604 , Reply# 42   5/31/2023 at 16:59 (322 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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I've heard that this stuff left film on peoples' dishes. |
Post# 1181623 , Reply# 43   5/31/2023 at 20:38 (322 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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Post# 1182358 , Reply# 44   6/12/2023 at 00:25 (311 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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I emailed Colgate-Palmolive to ask abut the Eco gel detergent and this is their reply: |
Post# 1182383 , Reply# 45   6/12/2023 at 08:21 (311 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)   |   | |
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I buy the Finish gel from Amazon. It has a chlorine ingredient and works well. CLICK HERE TO GO TO steved's LINK |
Post# 1193339 , Reply# 46   11/10/2023 at 16:07 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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Quit it! |
Post# 1193351 , Reply# 47   11/10/2023 at 18:55 by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 1193408 , Reply# 48   11/11/2023 at 13:11 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)   |   | |
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I'll also continue to rinse my dishes out before putting them in the dishwasher. Helps keep the dishwasher look and smell alot more cleaner, helps prevent from clogging up the dishwasher (that happened to me before not just once), and not all dishwashers will do a very good job. My aunt bought an LG dishwasher a couple years ago which she hates because it doesn't clean that very good like her old Maytag so prewashing is basically a requirement for her.
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Post# 1193415 , Reply# 49   11/11/2023 at 14:16 by donprohel (I live in Munich - Germany, but I am Italian)   |   | |
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I run dishwasher every two or three days, but I run the "Rinse & Hold" program every time I put something in: does this count as pre-rinsing? Because actually the dishes are pre-rinsed when they are washed |
Post# 1193444 , Reply# 50   11/11/2023 at 23:41 by Ultralux88 (Denver)   |   | |
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And I'll be shitminced if my detergent doesn't;'t have STPP in it too!
During the 'rona, when Cascasde Fryer Boil became difficult/expensive to get (I was buying the cases of 6) I switched to this stuff, am exploring options for getting it more wholesale in price as well. |
Post# 1193445 , Reply# 51   11/11/2023 at 23:46 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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Is there any dishwasher detergent with bleach anymore? It seems most of them went the way of enzymes. |
Post# 1193446 , Reply# 52   11/11/2023 at 23:49 by Ultralux88 (Denver)   |   | |
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I don't scrape or rinse the dishes, I turn the plate upside down over a sink with a disposal, what falls down will get rinsed down the thing, and what sticks to the dish goes in the washer. I even run stainless skillets through with the cooked on stuff on it. I will not own or use a dishwasher that can't handle this type of use, I feel pr-rinsing is a waste of time and water, and I just simply refuse to have any part of it. The dishwasher definitely does NOT get nasty or smell bad, and the dishes come out spotless. I also always use the pots and pans cycle, have been disappointed with normal in the past. I'll sometimes use cascade gel, the non-bleach stuff, in the pre-wash if there's a lot of starchy or very oily residues. If someone runs the dishes with only the gel in both washes, the dishes come out smelling like dog slobber...
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Post# 1193704 , Reply# 53   11/16/2023 at 07:06 by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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