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Thread Number: 91614
/ Tag: Vintage Automatic Washers
Single Knob Front Loaders |
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Post# 1161323 10/8/2022 at 06:09 (563 days old) by chetlaham  (United States) |
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Post# 1161336 , Reply# 2 10/8/2022 at 09:47 (562 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT) |
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You forgot about the Hoover Electra Single knob, multispeed induction motor and five pushbuttons, three are for hot warm, cold wash, one is rinse hold And the last one is for the power on off | ||
| Post# 1161337 , Reply# 3 10/8/2022 at 09:53 (562 days old) by Golittlesport (California) | ||
The Frig-GE-more models from Electrolux in the early 2000's had a base model with just one control knob. It had an electro-mechanical timer. You could set it, skip, repeat cycle sequences with the turn of the dial, but timing was computer controlled. (so many revolutions of the drum per soil setting.)
Temperature and speeds were controlled by cycle and setting selected. Water level was automatic. It had dispensers. For a base model with only one control knob it really gave you most options you would need. | ||
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Post# 1161341 , Reply# 4 10/8/2022 at 10:19 (562 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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The original Westinghouse Laundromats were single dial machines as were the BOL Space Mates and Bendix automatic home laundry machines had a single dial timer with one other switch for wash water temperature. I am surprised you have not seen pictures of them here. | ||
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Post# 1161344 , Reply# 5 10/8/2022 at 10:40 (562 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 1161357 , Reply# 6 10/8/2022 at 14:16 (562 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 1161360 , Reply# 7 10/8/2022 at 15:13 (562 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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More Than I Though!
Hoover Electra, Hoover Zodiac, Frigidaire, Zanusi Rex DL 123, Westinghouse and Bendix. those are lots of names, I'm Googling them one by one. The Hoover appears to have an brushed motor with electronic drive, but I'm not to bummed about that. The rest I'll do more research on. Those mid 2000s Frigidaires were fun. I never saw a base model, but I do remember the Kenmore version well. I took one of those apart. I got a great harness and timer out of it for other projects. The cycles were good at balancing stuff and I remember the spin acceleration was infinitely gradual. The thing did was noisy but that might be because it was pulled out of a haul off.
Heaters in FLs are a must IMO! | ||
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Post# 1161362 , Reply# 8 10/8/2022 at 15:21 (562 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Also- how come that Lavatrice in your video stop tumbling while filling? Does the timer also stop when filling?
One thing that would have been so sweet would have been if Kenmore offered a center knob FL washer with 1980s control panel styling like this: www.automaticwasher.org/T... | ||
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Post# 1161387 , Reply# 10 10/8/2022 at 22:34 (562 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN) |
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my Miele has one knob but lots of buttons.
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Post# 1161393 , Reply# 11 10/8/2022 at 23:50 (562 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 1161405 , Reply# 12 10/9/2022 at 04:24 (562 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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480/485
A great leap forward IMO! :) Stainless steal for an outer drum is what you want. Its the best. I would imagine the induction motor provided many benefits to these machines including that there were no brushes to wear out, no electronics to fail and no EMI. The slower spin speed is gentler on fabrics and as you mention quieter. I think it compliments these machines well.
@Foraloysius: What is the reason behind stopping the tumble when filling? Its good that the timer runs though. | ||
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Post# 1161408 , Reply# 13 10/9/2022 at 06:48 (561 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 1161410 , Reply# 14 10/9/2022 at 07:32 (561 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1161419 , Reply# 15 10/9/2022 at 08:54 (561 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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I always assumed that was the reason. Often the heater only functions at later increments, not in the first one or two. Filling can happen on the later increments too.
Some other brands that had one knob only models were Philips, Siemens, Bosch, Vendomatic (a Dutch department store brand), but also most Antonio Merloni brands and some Indesit models too. There have been so many European brands that it's hard to realise how many single knob machines were there. | ||
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Post# 1161421 , Reply# 16 10/9/2022 at 08:59 (561 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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For tumble I don't think it would matter. But you are correct. Some immersion heaters (like this in tanked water heaters) will overheat and burn out in air, so the heater must be kept off until the pressure switch is satisfied. Typically in my mock designs I've done this by running the fill valve neutral through normal closed contact of the pressure switch and the heater neutral through the normal open contact of the pressure switch. Common to the neutral of the cord.
I never knew there were so many single knob front loads. I'm loving it!!!! And oh, I want one LOL. | ||
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Post# 1161424 , Reply# 17 10/9/2022 at 09:21 (561 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 1161426 , Reply# 18 10/9/2022 at 09:32 (561 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Mostly timers. Thats my preference, but I'm not closed off to a selector if you know of one off hand.
In Europe do you have any machines like this?
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Post# 1161428 , Reply# 19 10/9/2022 at 09:40 (561 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 1161430 , Reply# 20 10/9/2022 at 09:46 (561 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 1161432 , Reply# 21 10/9/2022 at 10:09 (561 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK) |
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Rex/Zanussi
I noticed on my Zanussi (another name for Rex) 118T (video coming soon) that whilst it does a few intermittent tumbles during the fill phase the fill pauses whilst the machine tumbles and re-starts when the tumble stops. This continues until the wash water level is attained. I suspect the Rex shown above is similar
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Post# 1161433 , Reply# 22 10/9/2022 at 10:18 (561 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1161439 , Reply# 23 10/9/2022 at 11:59 (561 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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I guess that there are several variations on the theme of filling. Some washing machines keep tumbling when they fill. My Constructa compact toploader stopped immediately when it filled. It was a bit nervous with switching between filling with small amounts of water and tumbling in between.
Toploaders are more compact in size than front loaders. | ||
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Post# 1161441 , Reply# 24 10/9/2022 at 12:07 (561 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 1161443 , Reply# 25 10/9/2022 at 12:24 (561 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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One dial
A Miele 421S with a rapid advance timer behind a window. Just one knob to control it all.
An AEG Turna L, like a Turnamat but without the attached spin drier. BTW, this machines fills and tumbles at the same time. The Miele doesn't. And another one dial wonder is this Miele 401. A machine similar to the Turna L, no twin tub, so no spinner. Notice the "ohne Vorwäsche" position that you can choose at the start so the prewash is cancelled. After that you choose the programme you want. No tumbling during filling. | ||
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Post# 1161451 , Reply# 26 10/9/2022 at 15:46 (561 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Fascinating! Much to appreciate, though the complexity is still in full swing- one machine appears to have two timers at least. Me, I'd like to just extend the shaft of the rapid advance timer through the escutcheon and place a knob on the end of it leaving the cycle selector and everything else for another application. But still inspirational, I never knew there were so many variants of H-axis machines or that they were so popular over in Europe.
BTW, I love the audible 50Hz hum and buzzing German machines seem to emit. 50Hz (100Hz) is a beautiful sound, the prettiest on earth. | ||
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Post# 1161479 , Reply# 27 10/9/2022 at 23:09 (561 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 1161634 , Reply# 28 10/12/2022 at 16:50 (558 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1161636 , Reply# 29 10/12/2022 at 16:55 (558 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1161670 , Reply# 30 10/13/2022 at 05:54 (558 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Agitator top loaders have been sold here in Europe on and off by mainly Whirlpool. Now and then you see a Maytag turning up. Other American brands disappeared from the market here in the 1960's and 1970's IIRC.
When the European energy efficiency labels were introduced, these toploaders hardly sold anymore because according to that label they consumed a huge amount of water and energy (including the energy needed to heat up the water). | ||
| Post# 1161695 , Reply# 31 10/13/2022 at 13:11 (557 days old) by statomatic (France) | ||
There's a lot of single knob machines in Europe.
Most French vintage models are toploaders : statomatic.e-monsite.com/pages/ph... CLICK HERE TO GO TO statomatic's LINK | ||
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Post# 1161703 , Reply# 32 10/13/2022 at 16:02 (557 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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I Can't Thank You Enough! | ||
| Post# 1161743 , Reply# 33 10/14/2022 at 18:42 (556 days old) by statomatic (France) | ||
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Post# 1161749 , Reply# 34 10/14/2022 at 22:49 (556 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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I Love You! <3 :)
I owe you! I can't say in enough words, or express my gratitude, or show my happiness, in how much value your blog brings to humanity and its future engineering accomplishments. So much enlightenment in what would have otherwise been lost to time, long forgotten.
Please expand this data base. I'd be happy to contribute in any way I can. The internet is missing a great deal on external, internal, a parts break down and tech sheet for each model machine produced. There are many who want to see what existed long before, but either don't have access to the resource or frame of reference to discover what they're missing. Bookmarked! | ||
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Post# 1161753 , Reply# 35 10/15/2022 at 04:25 (556 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 1161756 , Reply# 36 10/15/2022 at 04:50 (556 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Wonderful Site
Awful that I missed it, but better late than never. Though, then again, I'm still digesting other sites so I need to take it one bite at a time. EU machines are all new to me, I've never seen one in person, so the lack of tangible experience makes learning slower.
This site I support to, and link when appropriate. Most of the washer pics on google actually divert here which is sweet. | ||
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Post# 1161757 , Reply# 37 10/15/2022 at 05:01 (556 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 1161758 , Reply# 38 10/15/2022 at 05:07 (556 days old) by Chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Single knob front Loaders 
Many of the original British front load washing machines where single knob control, the programme was linked to the fabric type and washing instructions, you may see on here "Oh its a number 2 wash today" or its a number 7 for woollens...I still convert to that today, the fabric wash programmes being disigned by the HLCC Home Laundry Care Council later becoming ITCL International Textile Care Labeling system.
My favourite has to be the family brand of Servis Domestic Appliances, they made the Speed Queen twintubs . Also shown is the top open , on this model the timer is housed at the back and connected by a long conrod from the selector knob !! | ||
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Post# 1161760 , Reply# 39 10/15/2022 at 05:21 (556 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Elegant. I prefer having the timer directly behind the knob, but this works to.
Can I ask? What is a bio wash? It stops the timer, correct? Also, how does cycle 6 and 7 differ from the rest? Why is low speed spin a separate switch vs built into cycles 6 and 7? how does the dryer work? Is it timed dry? Push to start like US versions? You've got a nice setup there. | ||
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Post# 1161761 , Reply# 40 10/15/2022 at 05:31 (556 days old) by Chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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British Front Loader Single Knob Control
Here we have Hoover models , early models used numbering but later adopted letters etc.
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Post# 1161762 , Reply# 41 10/15/2022 at 06:00 (556 days old) by Chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Hotpoint UK Models Single Control Knob
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Post# 1161763 , Reply# 42 10/15/2022 at 07:58 (555 days old) by Chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Bio
The Bio switch or biological is used for use with enzyme powders , the wash fills with cold water and is slowly heated so making best use of the latest enzyme or biological washing powders , more of the dirt & grime is dissolved at lower temps.
This Servis timer is split , the RHS of the programmes 1 to 5 are a low level water fill vigorous wash agitation and rinses with a fast spin unless for programme 4 the slow spin for synthetics is selected. The LHS of the programmer has the delicate and woollens programes which has a higher water level , delicate action with a 40d wash temp and then a fast spin for woollens (740rpm) of a slow (460rpm) spin for delicates . The tumble dryer has a simple 120 mins timer you just turn it on after selecting your high or low heat, its isnt pull or push to start. | ||
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Post# 1161765 , Reply# 43 10/15/2022 at 08:36 (555 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI) |
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It would be nice to know what kind of front loading washing machine was in Bob Lind’s childhood home, at just 1:00 into the song that washer seemingly lasted through his seemingly sixteen years, maybe it had only one knob there…
Wonder why those Westinghouse matching washer and dryer sets I can’t remember the name of weren’t even offered that way… — Dave CLICK HERE TO GO TO DaveAMKrayoGuy's LINK | ||
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Post# 1161812 , Reply# 44 10/16/2022 at 15:22 (554 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Does the machine tumble when heating in bio mod? I would think tumbling while heating the water over a 35 minute period would suffice?
With you dryers, they will stop if the door is opened, but restart as soon as its closed? UL here is a requirement that forces push to start not that I agree with it. | ||
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Post# 1161837 , Reply# 45 10/17/2022 at 04:09 (554 days old) by Chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Bio Wash
Yes it does short tumbles long pauses while heating then at the correct temp long tumbles short pauses. These did have an average wash time of 45 mins for a 40d wash , under an hour for a 90d wash .
The dryers auto stop as soon as dryer door is opened and resumes when closed, no pull or push to start etc. | ||
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Post# 1161838 , Reply# 46 10/17/2022 at 04:10 (554 days old) by Chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Post# 1162007 , Reply# 47 10/19/2022 at 13:46 (551 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 1162035 , Reply# 48 10/19/2022 at 20:27 (551 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1162051 , Reply# 49 10/20/2022 at 05:13 (551 days old) by Chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Servis Frontloader
The "Tiny" front loader takes a full 9lb washload which was standard for its time, it was made for the smaller kitchens of the UK and was ver popular , the washload was the same as the 30 inch Bendix Giromatic 9lbs dryweight of clothing , it was precision engineered , the tub stands on 3 suspension legs on its own cradle base not slung by springs from the cabinet , the timer was positioned in the back with all the valves, pressure pot and wiring loom connectors so you can take the top back panel off like your toploaders with everything connected to it for easy fixing , it was really ahead of its time !!
few more pics, stand alone drum on its own suspension plinth like the ASKO style, cabinet can be completely unscrewed from the base leaving easy access to all components for repair etc . | ||
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Post# 1162056 , Reply# 50 10/20/2022 at 06:30 (551 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1162069 , Reply# 51 10/20/2022 at 07:50 (550 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Thats a lot of wires! | ||
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Post# 1162070 , Reply# 52 10/20/2022 at 07:59 (550 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 1162079 , Reply# 53 10/20/2022 at 10:37 (550 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1162081 , Reply# 54 10/20/2022 at 10:54 (550 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Well, you don't need a lot of functions if you build a simple washer, but that's now what this is. You prefer simple things, but not everybody does.
This is a complicated machine, a washer/dryer combo with a heating element, a door lock, several motors including a separate motor for the pump, detergent dispensers etc. that need to be controlled. IIRC this is a machine from the seventies, there were no electronic parts yet that could simplify it. All is controlled by the timer, including the interim spins before the final spin. It was a TOL machine, there were simpler and cheaper machines available. | ||
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Post# 1162084 , Reply# 55 10/20/2022 at 11:05 (550 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1162098 , Reply# 56 10/20/2022 at 16:10 (550 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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I don't think Europeans in general like fully featured machines, but there were some nice fully featured machines available. But most washers had less features than this one I guess.
Basically European machines are different from American machines that most of them had a built in heater from the beginning (the first ones were heavy heaters, 6000 Watts IIRC) and also a separate motor for the pump. And almost all of them tumbled both ways. | ||
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Post# 1162142 , Reply# 57 10/21/2022 at 02:31 (550 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1162144 , Reply# 58 10/21/2022 at 02:40 (550 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI) |
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Post# 1162147 , Reply# 59 10/21/2022 at 03:00 (550 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Better Pictures
Can be found here :) >>>
imgur.com/a/dieQEvI... imgur.com/a/FNykT7e... 72 increments; 60 seconds per increment. 2 increments are dedicated to the off interval. Up to 38 minutes wash; 2 minutes drain and tumble; 2 minutes spin, 4 minute rinses, 6 minute final spin. Half the timer dedicated to 38 minutes wash the other half 32 minutes to rinse and spinning. 3000 watt heater. ~300 watts tumble. ~600-900 watts spin. Tumble reverse every minute. 15 harness wires total. 2 Line side live and neutral 1 CPC/ground/earth 2 switched live and neutral 6 functions (tumble clockwise; tumble counter clockwise; spin; fill; heat; drain pump+lock door) 3 in the console for the function lamps 1 between the cap bank (normally where motor controls is placed) and motor No dispenser of course, but next model up can be equipped with one. | ||
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Post# 1162150 , Reply# 60 10/21/2022 at 04:29 (550 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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I think that timer wouldn't work. Either you want something really very basic, then there are way too many programme selections. European frontloaders with a timer that goes all the way around would have only a few settings, the differences being in the temperature.
But most single knob timers have several different segments, they don't go the whole way around, just a part of it. One segment is for cottons, one for permanent press, one for delicates. Often there would be a fourth segment for wool too. The differences are in wash rythm, water level and length of the programme. Within the segments there would be several temperature choices. Main reason for this is that a hand wash programme in the same segment as for instance cottons is that hand wash needs a lot of water and little tumbling. The rinses would need to have the same tumbling pattern then too. But with little tumbling the cottons don't get rinsed well enough. This post was last edited 10/21/2022 at 04:51 | ||
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Post# 1162154 , Reply# 61 10/21/2022 at 04:59 (550 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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12 Wash Programs
Ah, but here is my secret. ;) The only difference between these 12 programs is the wash time.
Sanitize at 38 minutes, Normal 20 minutes and hand-wash at 6 minutes. The temperature of the water is determined by the cycle time before the heater shuts off at about 4 minutes at the end of the wash. The rest of ok for most fabrics. The tumble is at 60 RPM and spin at about 600 RPM, even delicate fabrics are safe. I don't think much is gained from varying wash rhythms and water levels. All cycles should keep the clothes out of a wet-nap state and with plenty of water to control cloth to cloth friction. | ||
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Post# 1162157 , Reply# 63 10/21/2022 at 06:31 (550 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Can the most aggressive agitation of a front loader compare to the delicate agitation of a top loader? Does water level make a noticeable difference in the finished wash load?
I'm aware that different wash actions and speeds are made to cater to different fabrics, but I'll go on a limb and say (at least from a US perspective) that at least some of it is arbitrary or offer no return in added machine complexity. | ||
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Post# 1162174 , Reply# 65 10/21/2022 at 10:09 (549 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Although the wash action of a toploader is more agressive, a frontloader needs more time to do a load. Besides that if you would wash a woolen sweater on a cotton programme it will definitely be destroyed. Washers with only one wash rythm are a thing of the past.
Some other points: 50 rpm is a rotation speeds that you see more often with older European frontloaders. Modern electronic ones can vary much better. With 60 rpm lighter items might stick to the side of the drum. Further a spin speed of 600 rpm is totally out of date. Those don't sell anymore. The minimum spin speed for a frontloader here in the NL is 1200rpm. In some southern European countries you may find some 1000rpm el cheapo models, but they only sell there because line drying goes fast there. | ||
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Post# 1162176 , Reply# 66 10/21/2022 at 10:25 (549 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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The woolens cycle is shorter yes, that way the heater is on for only a a short amount of time.
You would be correct, the spin speed is low and the tumble speed based on older machines. The idea is since the washer does not have any electronics or complex ramp-up sequences, it relies on passive suspension and passive methods to deal with potentially unbalanced loads. The way I see it efficiency is traded for longevity, durability and reliability. Electronics are in part what did the Maytag neptunes in. | ||
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Post# 1162177 , Reply# 67 10/21/2022 at 10:35 (549 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Electronic Microchips
This is exactly what I'm trying to avoid, my primary motivation behind wanting to experience mechanical front loads. A timer can last over 40+ years. Further, with me sticking to fewer speeds and sequences the wiring is reduced to that of an electronic machine.
The thing is, the US could have easily pulled off a front load version of the center dial Maytag Dependable had R&D not set a goal of drastically exceeding top load performance. A front load spinning at 600rpm is a less ambitious goal than on at 1,200 rpm. Imagine a FL washer capable of lasting 60 years due to not having a transmission, brake or tub seal immersed in water. Onboard heater would allow for the two port hot & cold water valve to be converted single cold inlet but with two valves in series advertised as flood prevention like on the Maytag dishwashers. One can only wish. | ||
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Post# 1162178 , Reply# 68 10/21/2022 at 10:47 (549 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Shorter is not enough for woolens. Designing a timer with several sections shouldn't be much more complicated, the connections are just different.
A low spin speed front loader would never sell here. Efficiency is the biggest selling point nowadays. I think you're missing the connection to the market. | ||
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Post# 1162187 , Reply# 69 10/21/2022 at 12:35 (549 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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I've done tons of such timers & schematics drawings, creating my own wash programs or improving existing models, that's a fun brain game since you have to think how does the machine will work and how to make it electrically safe with the less switches & wires.
I've made my own wash cycles using Crouzet Millenium PLC, on a cheap machine : http://youtube.com/shorts/CZ7m7SxaNWQ Also plan to do that on another machine with a Mitsubishi FX PLC and variable speed motor and electronic sensors. But I prefer anyway the good old durable mechanical timers. Timed heating looks simple but it's in fact very complicated, the final temperature depends of water inlet temperature and sometimes also by the fill time. It could be long to calculate, you need the heater power, water volume & temperatures and don't forget to add the heat loss (funniest part if you want precision, or just consider 5% of heat loss at low temperatures and 10% at high temperatures). For a precise temperature on timed heating you'll need at least to start the timer motor when the tub is filled or even when the water has warmed up to 30°C (water level switch and 30°C thermostat in series with the timer motor during wash, then thermostat bypassed during rinses). Or use an adjustable thermostat but you'll need a second knob, or use multiple thermostats with radio style push buttons. CLICK HERE TO GO TO statomatic's LINK | ||
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Post# 1162210 , Reply# 71 10/21/2022 at 20:28 (549 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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One-knob / timer-only is too restrictive. Electronic controls can be too restrictive with combinations of options. I've mentioned in the past that I want a machine with a pillows cycle that can heat to a reasonably high temp such as 120°F or 130°F and a long wash/soaking period but has very minimal tumbling that flips the item(s) every couple mins. | ||
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Post# 1162232 , Reply# 73 10/22/2022 at 03:42 (549 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Here's a wool cycle of a recent Bosch frontloader (newer than 2005 as the name of the Youtube channel suggests).
Chris is right, not every temperature was controlled by a thermostat. I remember some Zanussi models had a 40 and a 90 degrees thermostat. The 60 degrees setting was time controlled. The Dutch consumer organisation tested one of those and it appeared that with a small load temperatures would go way above 60 degrees. If you want to get acquainted more with the machines available on the European market, here's a link for you. Curry's in the UK has a huge assortment of laundry appliances. www.currys.co.uk/applianc... | ||
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Post# 1162235 , Reply# 74 10/22/2022 at 07:04 (548 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1162236 , Reply# 75 10/22/2022 at 07:18 (548 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Couldn't/Wouldn't more water prevent those woolens from damage in a normal tumble action? Maybe you're woolens are different, but in the US those would go on the hand-wash or knits cycle of a top load washer:
Maybe I'm thinking more about delicates than woolens... Anyways, the temps will vary, that is a given, however I would accept that on behalf of the machine's simplicity. | ||
| Post# 1162259 , Reply# 76 10/22/2022 at 13:27 (548 days old) by statomatic (France) | ||
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Thanks, I design cycle sequences since more than 15 years, mostly for fun.
On the first picture it's a screenshot of Crouzet Millenium programming software when doing some tests. The cycles are close to the Brandt Statomatic 418 (the service manual is on my website) with some differences (fill & drain are not timed, heating is controlled by 3 thermostats). The machine used for the experiment was a very cheap Faure LFE101 (with a plastic door instead of glass !) with poor performance, so I took out the timer and wiring, installed an electric box with the PLC and some relays & breakers, replaced the thermostat and pressure switch and rewired the whole thing. Also tried Frankenstein experiments by installing a different timer on a machine (on the two other photos I was 14 years old when doing the first experiment). | ||
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Post# 1162319 , Reply# 77 10/23/2022 at 10:10 (547 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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