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Post# 1167511   12/25/2022 at 14:38 (480 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        

...actually were nice rides:Ford Granada,Chrysler Cordoba,Cadillac Seville,AMC Pacer and others that top the poo-poo lists :)GM colonnaide cars (73-77 midsize) used to make the list as well,but those are starting to get some appreciation lately.Granada is one of the more commonly derided of these "malaise era"cars,but I thought they were pretty decent-at least as experienced in the mid-80s as a car often handed over to teenagers in the '80s :)




Post# 1167515 , Reply# 1   12/25/2022 at 15:08 (480 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)        

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At least here in California, any U.S. made car from '71 - '74 suffered from poor performance due to their suffocating anti-smog systems.  That's on top of  lousy fit and finish and manufacturer arrogance even though Hondas, Toyotas and Datsuns were stealing market share at a steadily increasing rate.


Post# 1167521 , Reply# 2   12/25/2022 at 17:10 (480 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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Granada's were OK. Fairmonts, not so much.


Post# 1167523 , Reply# 3   12/25/2022 at 17:15 (480 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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I liked the Dodge Diplomat/Chrysler LeBaron cars...

 

 

 

-- Dave


Post# 1167524 , Reply# 4   12/25/2022 at 17:45 (480 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        
Full size car lover here.

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I never liked the collonade styling when they came out and still don't. Just something about it, hard to explain. But then too I didn't like much of anything after the 77 GM downsizing followed by Ford. Give me them big old boats any day.

Post# 1167525 , Reply# 5   12/25/2022 at 17:55 (480 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        

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I owned a ‘71 Ford Maverick that was a great little car. I bought it used in Nov’81 for $1295 and drove it for 5 years. The only problem I had with it was that the linkage to the clutch broke once when I was stopped at a red light.

But I drove it 15 miles home in rush hour traffic with no clutch. I just shifted it like I always would have by the sound of the engine and speed I was traveling at and didn’t grind the gears once. But it sure felt strange to be shifting it without using the clutch. The pedal was laying on the floor board. It was a very nimble little car and really easy to drive for a stick and I really only needed to shift between 2nd and 3rd once I was under way. Much easier to drive than a Volkswagon and better HP too. I got an average 25 mpg all the time.

Eddie


Post# 1167527 , Reply# 6   12/25/2022 at 18:58 (480 days old) by robbinsandmyers (Conn)        

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Anything from England, France, and Italy was 100% shite and to avoid. German cars esp Mercedes diesels were tanks, Japanese cars were just coming into their own with decent styling and a reputation for reliability and quality but still considered tin cans, and anything was better than the smogged out trash Detroit was pushing.

Post# 1167528 , Reply# 7   12/25/2022 at 20:46 (479 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        

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The 1970’s wasn’t the finest hour for American made vehicles but as robbinsandmyers mentioned, the majority of cars from Europe with the exception of a few were even worse around that time and the British car industry was no more by the time the 80’s came around.

This isn’t from the malaise era, but I’d gladly would take a ‘66 Ford LTD 4 door hardtop over anything made today. Sure, it doesn’t have airbags, ABS, traction control, but more than makes up for it in terms of outward visibility. It’s all relative to the era it was made in.

Btw, I suggest you guys check out the channel on YouTube called Rare Classic Cars & Automotive History.


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Post# 1167530 , Reply# 8   12/25/2022 at 21:01 (479 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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My grandparents had a 1978 Ford Granada with a 302 V8, C6 trans, and limited slip 9" rear end through 1992 which was replaced with a Lincoln Towncar. It was pretty decent vehicle for being smack dab in the malaise era and was comfortable for what it was. I can still hear that loud buzzer 3 decades later, lol. Also, the killer door locks were interesting. Pull the door handle up and the door lock automatically disengaged and opened the door. Convenient for an adult but a late term external abortion option for children.


Post# 1167532 , Reply# 9   12/25/2022 at 21:30 (479 days old) by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        

In the mid 80's I needed a new car. I test drove a '77 Ford Granada w/302 V8. A little soft for my taste but rock solid and was rather pleasant on the highway, which was most of my driving at the time. I thought about it for a couple hours then called the seller to tell him I'd take it. It was gone :-(

A friend's parents had a late 70's Cordoba. smooth, quiet. The only downside was the distinct lack of legroom in the back

A friend had a '76 Pacer. Guzzled gas but roomy and gave a good ride.

IMO, it was the downsized GM cars that were the disasters: Full sized starting in '77, mid-sized starting in '78........ Just awful in every aspect. I remember many people saying never again about GM.



Post# 1167533 , Reply# 10   12/25/2022 at 21:44 (479 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        

Neighbors across the street got a new Ford Granada around 1977. After having it a few days, they noticed the trim on the one side didn't match the other, and one front fender said Granada, and the other said Monarch. They took it back to the dealer, and they put the correct parts on.

Post# 1167536 , Reply# 11   12/25/2022 at 22:32 (479 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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Amazing that the car could get all the way to the customers house and no one noticed. Now if all the panels used were somehow coded and proved to that particular car it could be worth a fortune as a "one off", like a mis struck coin LOL.

Post# 1167537 , Reply# 12   12/25/2022 at 22:49 (479 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)        

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My cousin was gifted a Mercury Monarch from her grandparents, loaded, V8, low miles but chewed gas bad. She traded for a Subaru.

Post# 1167539 , Reply# 13   12/26/2022 at 00:54 (479 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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I still have my 1964 Plymouth Valiant with the legendary Slant Six motor, and the Torqueflite automatic transmission. I bought it from the original owner around 1976. Made a lot of trips in that Plymouth - down to LA, up to the ski country, even to Portland, Oregon and back. And of course to commute to work and back for about 20 years. I learned how to work on cars with that Valiant.


Post# 1167540 , Reply# 14   12/26/2022 at 01:09 (479 days old) by robbinsandmyers (Conn)        

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With all the talk about Granadas and Monarchs it reminded me of the robins egg blue 1976 Monarch an uncle bought new. He was a die hard Merc guy and still is. When the paint wasnt blowing off it in sheets it was popping in reverse from park, or it had some electrical issue. The 66 Ford reminds of the black 66 Custom 4dr a neighbor had in the earky 70's. My dad drove his 66 Caprice wagon he bought new until 1979 when he figured he dodged a bullet by then and bought a 79 Estate wagon.

Post# 1167541 , Reply# 15   12/26/2022 at 01:09 (479 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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My first car was a 1977 Forest Green Pacer.

Post# 1167544 , Reply# 16   12/26/2022 at 06:16 (479 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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Daddy had a 1978 Ford Fairmont. He drove that car to death, then had the engine rebuilt and kept driving it. Eventually he sold it to buy a 1987 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Brougham with leather seats. He loved that Olds...it got much better gas mileage and would go in the snow without chains. He commuted 33 miles each way from TN to AL for work at Reynolds Aluminum.

Post# 1167547 , Reply# 17   12/26/2022 at 09:21 (479 days old) by JustJunque (Western MA)        

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That's the type of cars that were everywhere when I started driving. I didn't know we were in the "malaise" era. I just thought of them as what cars are.
In my early days of driving, I was only interested in owning big cars. A Cadillac was always a dream, but I've never owned one to this day.
I can remember lusting for a 1969 Chrysler Newport. Never owned one of those either, but I did briefly own a 1969 Dodge Monaco. That car seemed so cavernous inside. It felt like you needed an intercom to communicate with someone in the back seat.
Today, I have the strongest desire to have a car from that era again. Except now, I want the ones that I missed out on when they were plentiful.
I would love a Granada/Monarch. I would love a 1975-1979 Chevy Nova. I'm partial to the four-door, and to the '75 and '76, because of their dashboard design. My favorite uncle had a '75 that we went on so many fun family outings in.
Unfortunately, now all of those cars are gone. At least, in this part of the country. New England winters are not kind to bodies and undercarriages.
I remember an aunt having an early Dodge Aspen or Plymouth Volare. The tops of the front fenders started rotting away when the car was only a few years old or so. If I'm not mistaken, that was such an issue with those cars that Chrysler had to do a recall or something and replace the front fenders.
Man. I could go on for hours on this topic.
I won't, but I could!

Barry


Post# 1167550 , Reply# 18   12/26/2022 at 10:36 (479 days old) by philcobendixduo (San Jose)        
1977 Granada Ghia

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In 1977, my dad leased a 1977 Granada Ghia. Dark Jade Green Metallic with two-tone leather interior.
It had every option except moonroof, four wheel disc brakes and, oddly, remote trunk release.
It had numerous assembly issues when delivered. Broken visor mount, side marker light bulb hanging by wires in the wheel well, and a few others.
After the lease was up, dad bought the car and gave it to my mom to drive.
It suffered from many issues over the years - transmission rebuild, leaking fuel lines, air conditioner compressor, and more. And it had low miles - not driven hard and well maintained.
A great looking car but very trouble prone - at least in this case.
It had the 302 V8 with the California only "variable venturi carburetor". Also a trouble area.
It got a repaint after about 6 years due to the original paint not holding up well over the years (outside most of the time...)
When mom got her new 1987 Mercury Topaz LS, my younger brother got the Granada.
He didn't have it long before selling it off for something more reliable.


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Post# 1167551 , Reply# 19   12/26/2022 at 10:38 (479 days old) by kenwashesmonday (Carlstadt, NJ)        

My 1978 Ford LTD Landau Coupe, the last year for the big LTD, lasted 330,000 miles.  With it's 351W 2-barrel it always got an honest 22 MPG highway.  It was a wonderful highway car.


Post# 1167553 , Reply# 20   12/26/2022 at 12:49 (479 days old) by Good-Shepherd (New Jersey)        
the legendary Slant Six motor

I had a slant six in Plymouth Duster purchased from a local junkyard for $300. Never changed the oil and ran so low once the engine locked up and stalled. So I topped off the oil, turned the engine over by hand with a breaker bar and she started right up. Drove it for another year after that..

Also had a 1976 Pontiac Catalina (paid $300 for it as well) 400ci engine, A/C worked great and was ice cold. Never changed the oil in that either and the front brake pads got so worn down they cut into the cooling fins on the rotors..

This was in the 80's and 90's when used beater cars were cheap. Easily affordable by broke teenagers and college students.

There were others such as another slant six Plymouth Volare wagon and a Cadillac with a 500ci engine that I had to sell after a month because the gas mileage was bankrupting me. All $300 or less.





Post# 1167557 , Reply# 21   12/26/2022 at 14:56 (479 days old) by JustJunque (Western MA)        

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Bill,
Yup. Even with its problems, I'd take that Granada in a heartbeat! Although, I don't think I'd like the California carb.

Ken,
I had a 1977 LTD Landau four-door. I may have paid $350 for it. It was one of my favorite cars.

Douglas,
I had a slant six Duster too. I think it was a 1975. I loved the looks of them, and I always heard how bulletproof the engine was. Leave it to me, I must have gotten a Monday car or something. Isn't that what they used to call them? Mine never ran right. I eventually gave up on it and sold it to my brother. I don't know what he had done to it, but I believe he got it running better.

My teenage dream car was the mid '70s Monte Carlo. Over the years, I was fortunate enough to own three different ones. First was a 1976. My second one was a 1975. And my third and final one was a 1977.
The '76 was one-year-only color, that I want to say was lime green metallic with a white vinyl top and white vinyl interior. (Two-toned with sort of an avocado green.)
The '75 was dark blue metallic with a white landau vinyl top, and white vinyl swivel bucket seats.
The '77 was a sort of copper/orange metallic with a tan landau top, and tan cloth interior. I think that orange color was a one-year-only also.
All of mine had the "Corvette style" rally rims. The first two had whitewalls. The '77, I bought a set of white lettered radials for it.
I loved every one of them. The '76 was in the roughest condition. But, being my first Monte Carlo, I thought it was awesome.
The '77 had the least power/torque, as it was the only one of mine that had a 305. The other two had the 350.
I traded that one in, it must have been in 1987. I replaced it with a 1982 Buick Regal coupe that I bought to get the attention of a female co-worker. Her parents had a nearly identical car.

Barry


Post# 1167561 , Reply# 22   12/26/2022 at 15:20 (479 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        

Pete, whatever the dealer body shop had to do didn't take long to correct. I'd have to ask Wanda to be certain, but it may have just been the nameplate that had to be switched. I don't know if any other side trim was different between the two models. Evidently someone at the factory didn't read the order right, or picked up the wrong parts. May have been at the time of a switchover on the assembly line. The car was ordered from the factory, not dealer stock. They kept it about 10 years.

Post# 1167565 , Reply# 23   12/26/2022 at 15:48 (479 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)        

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My dad bought a pre-owned 1969 Continental Mark III, literally in the dark.  He went to see it at night and bought it on the spot.  Don't ask me what he was thinking, but he clearly wanted a Mark III badly.  It was the classic color combo from the the full width magazine ads:  burgundy with a black vinyl top.  When he got it home, I immediately noticed it had a Thunderbird emblem on the steering wheel.  It also had eliminator pipes that did away with two of the four mufflers, and had wheel covers off of a '70 or '71 model, which were entirely different looking from the '69 covers.  One day we were out in the car and spotted a Mark IV on a small used car lot nearby.  It had '69 Mark III wheel covers, which looked hideous on it, so we stopped and proposed a trade.  The dealer didn't hesitate to make the switch on the spot.

 

That Mark III drove beautifully and rode like a cloud, but it was otherwise sketchy.  Once when it was parked on the driveway, which was fairly long, my dad started it and while it was sitting there running at a fast idle from the cold start, it popped out of Park and into reverse (automatically releasing the parking brake), backed down the driveway at a pretty good clip, started heading into an arc and barely missed the front of the house, proceeded across the front lawn and if not for a young Mulberry tree in the parking strip, which it hit with a loud cracking sound (the tree survived with a scar that remained for a several years), the car would have headed into the street to raise havoc and likely trigger some serious insurance claims by the neighbors.

 

There was no visible bumper damage.  My dad was working out of town frequently at that time, and he instructed me to sell the car.  Some guy came along and I got him to pay more than my dad did for the car.  Apparently he wanted a Mark III really badly too.  I wonder when, where and how that cycle finally ended.


Post# 1167567 , Reply# 24   12/26/2022 at 16:13 (479 days old) by philcobendixduo (San Jose)        
Fords "popping" out of PARK

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Yes, Ralph - Ford had a BIG issue with the late 1960's and early 1970's automatic transmission selectors (on the column) "popping" out of PARK when running.
My mom had a 1968 Falcon Futura Sports Coupe (bought new) and after a year or two, she had to hold the gear selector "up" into PARK when starting it. If not, the car "thought" it was in gear and would not crank.
Later, Ford issued labels to all known owners of the automatic column shifted cars of that era warning NOT to leave the car unattended when the engine was on.
Many others experienced the episode your dad did - sometimes with deadly or injurious results.
I'm sure many owners never bothered to stick that warning label on the dash.


Post# 1167570 , Reply# 25   12/26/2022 at 17:10 (479 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        

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I’ve heard Fords from the 60’s and 70’s had a tendency to pop out of park as well. There’s a ‘66 Ford Galaxie 500 (similar to the LTD above but in the Galaxie 500 trim) that I want to try to get and if I do, I will for sure use the parking brake just to be safe. There’s even a neutral safety switch where it won’t start unless in neutral.

It’s interesting how Ford was the one to use Park Reverse Neutral Drive Low from the beginning with their automatics in the late 1940’s and very early 1950’s though it was only Park Reverse Neutral Drive, Low was added later on. GM in their infinite wisdom used all kinds of weird patterns for the gear shift in their cars in the 1950’s and early 1960’s before they went to the typical PRNDL, they probably got complaints from people who thought they were putting the car in reverse but ended up putting it in neutral or ended up putting into park while driving ruining the transmission.


Post# 1167576 , Reply# 26   12/26/2022 at 17:59 (479 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)        

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Yeah Bill, I remember the news stories about Ford's rogue reversals, so when it did happen it was for sure alarming, but I chalked it up to another statistic that fortunately didn't require reporting. 

 

The '60s Ford products with shifters on the column all had issues.  My dad's '65 Continental required holding the shift lever up to the top of the Park position in order to start it.  I followed instructions in the shop manual to adjust the switch at the bottom of the steering column, which was an exercise in contortion and was apparently written under the assumption that everybody had three hands to hold a contact post in place while sliding the entire switch assembly and tightening down two hard to reach screws.  No matter how many times I adjusted the switch mechanism and tightened it down, the problem would recur after a while.

 

The '69 Mark's shifter was a lot easier to adjust.  No screws involved.  Just zip a plastic tab on the switch assembly with your finger and allow it to snap back.  And the intervals between the adjustments were much longer.  Your mom's Falcon probably employed that same system.


Post# 1167579 , Reply# 27   12/26/2022 at 18:11 (479 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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Most of GM's early automatic transmissions from 1939-1964 (Dual band Hydramatic, Dual coupling Hydramatic, Dynaflow, ect) had reverse at the bottom so one could easily shift from reverse to low gear in order to rock a vehicle out of the snow. They universally adopted the PRND21 with the TH400 in 1964 and soon after, the TH350 in 1969 although the Powerglide was using it way back in the early 50's.


Post# 1167594 , Reply# 28   12/26/2022 at 19:18 (479 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        
71 duster

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The crap we had back then.
No EFI. No air bags. AC was still an option. Catalytic converters didn't start until 1975. No real responsible child seats. No full head rest support. No compact fuel efficient cars. No rear brake lights and taillights in general were often dim or small. Ashtrays all over the inside. Poor fit and finish. Noise control was not a priority.

The smugness of Detroit's auto industry was palpable.

Thank-goodness for Ralph Nader.

I didn't start taking an interest in vehicles until 1982.
Things were better by then.

One thing we did have though which is missing today was an effort to isolate the car chassis from the road. We had cars that rode like a dream. It was so nice and cushy.


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Post# 1167597 , Reply# 29   12/26/2022 at 19:40 (479 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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This may be where the Torqueflite transmission has the edge. The controls are located on the left side of the dashboard. There's a big lever that you bring down to put it into park, and it has a detente to keep it there. I've never heard of a Torqueflite transmission popping out of park/neutral into a moving gear. Sounds like Ford screwed up big time.

 


Post# 1167601 , Reply# 30   12/26/2022 at 20:33 (478 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
malaise era poster boy...

..one of my high school buds had a '74 Vega automatic: car was actually very reliable and didn't use oil since engine had been rebuilt with iron cylinder sleeves,but it was slow-would not "squeal out"and another buds '83 Cutlass ciera with the 4.3 v6 diesel would leave the Vega in it's dust :) I had a '74 nova 4dr:2bbl 350,th350,2.56 rear gears :)

Post# 1167608 , Reply# 31   12/26/2022 at 22:21 (478 days old) by Stan (Napa CA)        
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Mid 70s GM has been very good to me over the years..I’ve tried to be good to her too..even with the smog control. Very smooth ride
I haven’t driven a car with better power steering.
(U turn with one finger)


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Post# 1167610 , Reply# 32   12/26/2022 at 22:38 (478 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        
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It’s all relative to the era. Cars back then didn’t have the safety features of today’s cars BUT had better outward visibility. I’ll take better outward visibility vs modern vehicles that have visibility that’s on par with late 1930’s and 1940’s cars. Having chunky a, b, and c pillars that conceal pedestrians and vehicles on the road at times is quite dangerous. That’s why I don’t feel comfortable driving modern vehicles, much rather have something like the ‘66 Ford LTD 4 door hardtop that has tons of visibility, even more so when all the windows are rolled down on a nice day.

Post# 1167611 , Reply# 33   12/26/2022 at 23:25 (478 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        
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That is a ‘71 Dodge Demon, the sister ship of the ‘71 Plymouth Duster, you can tell by the tail lights. The Duster tail lights are 2 horizontal lenses on each side. I owned a ‘71 Demon with a 225 slant six and a torque flight 3 spd auto trans., which was an excellent auto trans. I bought it new in August ‘71. It was a good car, nothing fancy, but dependable, comfortable and well put together.

It got an average of 22 mpg and it had tail lights, directional signals, brake lights, just no center back light in the rear window, that didn’t become mandatory until ‘86.

Up until just a few years ago around here I was still seeing Dusters and Demons of that vintage all the time. They were durable and affordable cars in their day.

And I agree with Sean in reply #32, the older cars had MUCH better visibility than todays cars. We didn’t need a rear view camera to back up or park the car, you could always see all four corners.

And they had REAL steel chrome bumpers that actually protected the car and the driver. Not these plastic, low slung POS bumpers of today that if you pull up too far over a parking berm, than back-out and the whole GD bumper pulls off the car. Useless junk that cost a kings ransom to repair/replace.

Eddie




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Post# 1167638 , Reply# 34   12/27/2022 at 10:59 (478 days old) by Davey7 (Chicago)        

We had a second year Vega Kammback when I was a tot, which other than the rust was a good car. One of my uncles bought one based on our liking it and their engine melted down... When my grandfather died my grandmother wanted us to take his car, which was a Mark II Cortina (he only had a Ford because they lived in Dearborn - I don't think he owned an American car after moving here). We should have kept it.

Post# 1167642 , Reply# 35   12/27/2022 at 11:28 (478 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        

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In ‘72 I flew down to LA to visits some friends that lived in Eaglerock, off of the Pasadena Freeway. I arrived on Saturday night. My friends Jeff and Dennis had to work on Sunday.

They had a ‘71 Vega and loaned it to me to drive around and see the sights while they were at work. It was a 4 speed. I’d never driven in LA before, but I was an adventurous 21, so armed with a AAA map of LA I took off and had a ball.

That little Vega was easy to maneuver around LA and even with the traffic the 4 spd wasn’t a problem at all. I went to Universal Studios, Hollywood Blvd. and all over downtown LA. I never got lost once, I have a good sense of direction.

That Vega was a fun little car to drive.

Eddie


Post# 1167644 , Reply# 36   12/27/2022 at 12:20 (478 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)        

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I had a 72 Vega. Decent little car but the motor was garbage. Got rid of that for a 72 Celica which was a problem after a problem from Day 1.

Post# 1167652 , Reply# 37   12/27/2022 at 13:23 (478 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
under the hood of the Vega...

was very simple:iron head/aluminum block OHC 4 painted orange,big black plastic fan at front and an aluminum air filter that I think was sealed and you threw out and replaced the whole assembly when it got dirty :)

Post# 1167660 , Reply# 38   12/27/2022 at 15:08 (478 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        

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Pacer

Caught the imagination for a few minutes but...
It was terribly heavy which made it NOT a fuel efficient small car.
The engine wasn't reliable.
It was an after thought, like most small U.S. made cars in the 70s. Something thrown out there after the fuel embargos and rising gas prices, to appease to buying public.
It was like they were designing vehicles for the oil industry and wanted the vehicles to use as much gas as possible.


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Post# 1167661 , Reply# 39   12/27/2022 at 15:15 (478 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        

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Of course the quality cars came from Japan, same as now.

Childhood friends parents had a first gen CVCC about 1975 in kermit the frog green


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Post# 1167663 , Reply# 40   12/27/2022 at 15:30 (478 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        

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When I was in Santa Barbara in ‘77 I saw Burl Ives driving a silver AMC Pacer in Montecito. I was kind of surprised that a movie actor would be driving such a plebeian automobile. The Pacer was ugly as homemade sin.

BTW, Fred MacMurray lived in Forestville on the Russian River and he drove a beat up, dusty, Tan Volkswagon Squareback. I saw him driving it a few times. He also didn’t have on his toupee either. He looked like any other old man.

Eddie


Post# 1167690 , Reply# 41   12/27/2022 at 18:35 (478 days old) by kenwashesmonday (Carlstadt, NJ)        

bradfordwhite wrote:

"The (Pacer) engine wasn't reliable"

 

 

The AMC inline six that was built from 1964 to 2006 wasn't reliable?  You've got to be kidding!

 

The only cars that rusted as quickly as Chevy Vegas in the early 1970s were Hondas.

 

The Hondas, Toyota Corollas, and Datsuns were more likely to catch fire in a rear end collision than a Ford Pinto.


Post# 1167691 , Reply# 42   12/27/2022 at 18:40 (478 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        

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AMC cars were mechanically sound. And Nash and Rambler, the predecessors of AMC were very innovative automobile companies in their day. The main problem with AMC was that their body styling was sorely lacking in modern appeal. Had they been able to move with the times in styling they may have had a chance at survival.

Eddie


Post# 1167695 , Reply# 43   12/27/2022 at 19:02 (478 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
4 door '78 cutlass..

found a slant back 4 door Cutlass at the junkyard in 1995:it had a chevy 305 under the hood.I liked the look of the car and it was in pretty decent condition,but I did not like the 2 extra doors...Now I would love to have that car.:)

Post# 1167700 , Reply# 44   12/27/2022 at 20:32 (477 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        
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The "Thing"

When I was forced to take organ/music lessons in the 70s, someone who lived or worked in the area always had a white one with the convertible top down parked on the street.

and I've seen this vehicle used in at least 2 movies. Why?
I think Steve Martin was in one...I don't WANT to remember...

Doug D. insults the talents of children.






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Post# 1167703 , Reply# 45   12/27/2022 at 20:44 (477 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        
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Our neighbor had something similar. I believe it was a maroon color and always well cared for and garage kept. In fact their house, in our 1960 built tract home subdivision with only 3 different models, had to be one of the shining jewels.

Perfect lawn, perfectly trimmed bushes and shrubs. They spent the $$ to rip out the contractor grade sidewalks and gravel drive and put in new curved edged sidewalks in different places from where they old ones were.
They were the only ones with air conditioning (sleeve AC), had all the latest 60s/70s furnishings, and he was knowledgeable. They even had a harvest gold Fridgidaire I-18 set in their carpeted kitchen that matched their other harvest gold appliances.

I would not doubt if he did all the maintenance.
Their son Mark had a transAm and worked at Kent. Fried Chicken. This was 74-76ish.




Post# 1167713 , Reply# 46   12/27/2022 at 22:18 (477 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        
It was an after thought, like most small U.S. made cars

The Pacer was hardly an "afterthought." It was intended to be revolutionary. I had never seen one till I was an exchange student to near Chicago in 1981. They certainly caught my eye, and I did a bit of reading up on them.

 

The thinking behind the development of the Pacer was that people were looking to smaller cars, but still wanted more space inside. AMC figured that making a car shorter but keeping it wide and tall was a way to give people what they wanted. But AMC were a much smaller organization that the big 3 and like several previous models, AMC continued some old-model AMC technology to keep costs down. AMC also used some components common with rival cars, IIRC the Hornet (and thus probably the Gremlin?) used shock absorbers from the Ford Falcon, for example.


The Pacer's engine was intended to be a brand new rotary engine that AMC was going to source from GM. This would have been compact and light weight. But GM canned the rotary engine project at the last minute, due to a combination of spiraling fuel costs (rotaries were notoriously thirsty) and severe reliability problems with rotary engines used in German NSU Ro80 cars, which eventually led to such high warranty claims that NSU folded and was swallowed by VW group.

 

So AMC had to find an engine for the Pacer at the last minute - and decided to shoe-horn in the ancient AMC six, which really did the Pacer no favours. It was much longer and heavier, which ruined space efficiency, gave heavy steering, upset handling and drank fuel.

 

I really liked the styling on the wagon version of the Pacer - it was a better balanced look. The Pacer was at least cleanly styled and not over-decorated like most American cars of the time. I'm also a fan of the styling of the original AMC Hornet, though later updates with the huge bumpers ruined the clean simple style of the Hornet.

 

BTW, Hornets and Matadors were assembled here in Melbourne by Australian Motor Industries from imported components. They were expensive and sold in small numbers. They were NOT badged as AMC, but were sold as Rambler Hornet and Rambler Matador. AMI also assembled Triumph cars from the UK and some unheard-of new brand from Japan called Toyota... Australia was Toyota's first export market, starting in the late 1950s. Rambler assembly stopped in about 1975, Triumph continued till 1978, then AMI only assembled Toyotas. AMI was eventually taken over by Toyota and it became Toyota Australia.

 

One AMC Pacer was brought to Australia by AMI to display at the Melbourne Motor Show, but it wouldn't have worked well as right hand drive. The passenger side door was longer than drivers side, to encourage rear seat passengers to get out on the passenger side for safety, but that was wrong way round for Australia and AMC wasn't going to change the panel pressings for a small RHD export market, so the Pacer was never sold here.

 

 


Post# 1167715 , Reply# 47   12/27/2022 at 23:56 (477 days old) by Good-Shepherd (New Jersey)        
I was still seeing Dusters and Demons

Road salt here in the northeast did a number on the unibody mopars,

My first car was a 1971 Dodge R/T Challenger, it was ten years old at the time and already had rust holes in the quarter panels, trunk, top of right fender and hood.

And this was heavy gauge sheet metal, not the beer can bodywork on cars these days.



Post# 1167717 , Reply# 48   12/28/2022 at 00:56 (477 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        

My Aunt Margaret (now deceased) had a '70 Plymouth Duster that was tan. She didn't like it very well, and when we were visiting them in July '72, my Uncle Ken and I went to the Ford dealer, and he traded it for a '72 Gran Torino station wagon in a gold-green color. They found it much more suitable, especially with 2 small children.

As for AMC cars, I've always considered them as ugly. My cousin Mike's first car around '81 or so was a '59 Rambler in brown - ugly as sin. Neighbors around the corner bought a new '59 Rambler station wagon - even uglier than the sedan. Very odd design, as the roof in the back was lower than the front section, which limited the height of things that could be put in there. My friend Fred had a '64 Rambler American when we were in high school in the early 70's - didn't keep it long.


Post# 1167725 , Reply# 49   12/28/2022 at 05:35 (477 days old) by kenwashesmonday (Carlstadt, NJ)        

If you think the 1959 Rambler wagon was ugly, perhaps you've never seen a 1959 Ford, Chevy, or Plymouth wagon.

 

I had a 1964 Rambler American.  I got 235,000 miles out of it.


Post# 1167739 , Reply# 50   12/28/2022 at 14:48 (477 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        

Not only have I seen, but have also rode in both Ford & Chevrolet '59 model wagons, as neighbors or friends had them. I think either was better looking than that years Rambler, and had way more usable load space. But my favorite late 50's station wagon is the Mercury. In '63, Rambler had a decent looking vehicle, and came to their senses about the roof design of the wagon.

Post# 1167745 , Reply# 51   12/28/2022 at 17:01 (477 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)        

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My first car was a 63 Rambler Classic 660 wagon. It was named the car of the year in'63. It had its pluses and many more minus things. Had that 196 gutless 6 cyl. and rusted bad. Not what I wanted at 16.

Post# 1167753 , Reply# 52   12/28/2022 at 18:26 (477 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
Cutlass slantback...

...looking into these,discovered a 2 door version was also avalible :) The 4dr one I had looked at had ralley wheels similar to Pontiac ralley wheels.The 2 door 1978 cutlass my aunt had had a 260 Oldsmobile v8 instead of the chevy 305 in the slantback

Post# 1167756 , Reply# 53   12/28/2022 at 19:16 (477 days old) by 48bencix (Sacramento CA)        
Cadillac Seville

We had a 1978 Cadillac Seville purchased used 3 years old. I loved that car and everyone who rode in it loved it also. This car had a fuel injected Olds engine with the 3 speed Turbo Hydramatic Drive. Beautiful dark blue exterior with tan vinyl top and tan leather interior. Came with an 8 trak player and I had it replaced with a cassette player. Probably dumb. I did have a few problems with it but it ran and drove beautifully.

Post# 1167759 , Reply# 54   12/28/2022 at 19:30 (477 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)        
AMC Pacer

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My first job out of university was in a hospital research lab. One of the other lab workers purchased a new Pacer (around 1976) and she was very excited about it. I was not so impressed but didn't say anything negative to her about it. I think after I left that lab, I heard that she had sold it a few years later. Don't remember why, but it sounds like it was a motor issue.


Post# 1167764 , Reply# 55   12/28/2022 at 20:10 (476 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I bought my 1977 Pacer in September 1977 afteer I began working and was able to get a driver's licence. It was the vehicle the dealer used to drive around as a Program Car??
My 1977 AMC Pacer's bieggest problem was the "black box" (electronic module). It failed on me three on the highway. Once was 3 hours away from home on my way home. Had to be towed back to Houston. The wife of friends of my parents had bought one a year before mine. She had the same issue. She dumped it a year before I dumped mine. I traded mine in for a new Chevy Citation. (I didn't find out until years later that two of the Edsel model names were Pacer & Citation). I sold the Citation to the BIL of a coworker---he was a great shade tree mechanic that could deal with the transmission problems developing.


Post# 1168060 , Reply# 56   1/1/2023 at 14:31 (473 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)        
Full size GM cars '77 to '79 (B & C body...

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were universally acclaimed at the time, and to this day, by the car magazines and by truly knowledgeable car buffs as probably overall the best all-around full-sized US cars ever built, malaise era or not. As much room inside and the previous whales, but still with a great ride plus far better handling and fuel and space efficiency. See knowledgeable opinions on: www.curbsideclassic.com....

We owned a '77 Olds 88, '77 Buick LeSabre, and '78 Buick Electra, each with 350 V8s. We put over 400,000 miles on those cars, and each was a superb family vehicle. After 1980 though, all bets are off, GM went to hell fast in that decade. Wish I could buy another '78 Electra!


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Post# 1168063 , Reply# 57   1/1/2023 at 15:07 (473 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
Oh yeah !

those were great cars: I still see a few of those around my area-usually oldsmobiles.I experienced 3 of those as cars of family friends: a '79 Park Avenue,350 had very nice sounding digital Delco 8-track stereo.Also an '82 Park avenue and '82 olds 98-both of those last two had the diesel and despite the rep,both ran great with about 85,000 on each-just reach in and tap the key and they were running in about 1/2 second.Not real fast but got on down the road nicely :) The '79 gas would squeal out nicely if you hit the gas firmly :)

Post# 1168723 , Reply# 58   1/8/2023 at 14:20 (466 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
on the above cars;

Those were times when many people sold or traded in a car every 3 to 4 years. 5 to 7 maximum.
Yes, Mavericks/Comet's were good! Especially 72 and up. Fit, finish, durability. The Granada/Monarch actually used many of it's parts, and the platform, which was derived from the Falcon.
Cordobas were also solid. Smooth, quiet, strong, if a bit thirsty.
Cadiilac, Buick, and Olds offered an airbag option for at least the driver in 1975. What the era's cars lacked in crumple zones, and passive restraints, they made up for in weight, and room. You had more around you, plus side door gurad beams, and if you wore the seat and shoulder harness, you likely survived a serious crash.
My dads 1977 Electra Limited had an Olds 403 4 barrel.
The RWD Diplomat and Lebaron series were luxury appointed Aspen/Volare variants, derived from the Valiant. Slant 6 was rock solid. Torqueflight automatic too.
I saw Dart Swingers, etc. run until the rear leaf spring and shock mounts under the trunk rusted and they collapsed onto the tires.


Post# 1168814 , Reply# 59   1/9/2023 at 00:54 (465 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        

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Our families cars from 70 to 80.  We started out as a single car suburban family with a

 

196x purple pontiac, no idea what it was

we got a baby blue 197x Buick Skylark. 

Then a 1974(?) 2 door mid blue with white vinyl roof LeSabre I think it was, which was a terrible car. My mother was literally crying at the dealership service center because of the issues.  That was the last GM they ever bought.

 

Then became a two vehicle household with the purchase of a red with white side paneled Ford F-100 or F-150 Lariat with a truck cap in fibre glas.  God I hated this thing.  But with the Buick it was all set for the bi-cential: red, white, and blue (and white).

Then the buick was ditched and a 1977 mid green Thunderbird.  Everything on this was green.  Didn't care for it either because we were a family of 4+ yet it only had 2 doors and with no operable windows in back and their smoking.   UGGGH. It had velour, AC, but I don't think it had electric windows.

Then in 80 the car was traded for a brown Ford E-100 cargo van when they started their business.  It was bol with no AC , 5 speed man. and nothing in the back. This was terrible because wtf?  Where are passengers supposed to sit?  Literally we had to put lawn chairs in the back and that was a disaster as soon as they went around a corner.  God, i remember riding to her mothers who was in the hospital and dying from cancer and they were crying and trying to convince me to come inside because it was probably going to be the last time I'd see her (which it would have been).  When we got home I told them I was never riding in that thing again.  It was obviously too dangerous.

They just did not think.

 

Then, one summer night, somebody (I know who they were...down the block) vandalised both vehicles by pulling the sleeping bags partially out of the back of the truck and lighting them on fire.  They also stuffed grass in the gas tank of the van.

The stupid cap was ruined (really thank goodness) so it came off and all four of us, plus the dog had to squeeze into the front of the truck to go anywhere.  Horrible.

The van wasn't drivable.  Had to be flatbedded to the dealership so they could do whatever.  The truck just went in to have the tailgate stripped and repainted. 

 

Thank goodness for insurance.

 

It was the suburban 70s.   lol.  Could have been worse I guess. 




 

 

 


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Post# 1168815 , Reply# 60   1/9/2023 at 01:14 (465 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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Ugggh those T-birds continued to get uglier and trashier after 1970. When the rounded model came out it looked like a slug imho. At least the first 3 iterations had some style. I always fancied a 67 four door ,looked quite smart for a 4 dr.

Post# 1168824 , Reply# 61   1/9/2023 at 06:09 (465 days old) by kenwashesmonday (Carlstadt, NJ)        

Interestingly enough, the 1977-1979 Thunderbird was the best selling Thunderbird of all time.


Post# 1168825 , Reply# 62   1/9/2023 at 06:21 (465 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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Yes I remember seeing nearly everyone of those made—decades after they came out…

Even outselling it’s own stablemate the Mercury Cougar…



— Dave


Post# 1168911 , Reply# 63   1/9/2023 at 14:26 (465 days old) by robbinsandmyers (Conn)        
Traded cars in every 3-5 years.......

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Maybe in your area but when I was growing up as a kid in the mid 70's the newest cars on my two block long street were a used Ford Maverick and a used 70 Pontiac Catalina. Everyone else drove old cars because thats all they could afford. Examples I saw were 59 Thunderbird, 62 Old Cutlass, 65 Tempest, 66 Belair, 63 Impala, 66 Olds Ninety Eight, 62 Galaxy, 66 Coronet, 66 VW squareback, 60 Dodge, 66 Mustang, 69 Marquis, plus my parents 66 Caprice wagon and 65 Chevy II sedan. And this was just an average working class area not poverty row. My dad drove his 53 Buick Roadmaster he bought new until 66 when he bought the Caprice wagon, and drove that until 79 when he bought a new Buick wagon, then drove that until 1990 with another Buick wagon until 2000 when he bought a 1990 Volvo 240 wagon.

Post# 1168952 , Reply# 64   1/9/2023 at 20:23 (464 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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Had a nightmare of being in a non-air conditioned two-door car's back seat, on a scorching hot day, only to realize despite the opera windows this car had, at least the front windows that open, at least some air does come back there, but better be driving at a mid-to-highway speed...

'70's and early '80's suburbs saw a lot of car thefts or break ins, my mother went up to two guys trying to open a car's vent windows possibly attempting to steal the car, one had a flashlight over the other one, so it's a good thing that my mother randomly spotted them and made them get away, in another car they apparently drove up to it in...

Naturally after they left, my mother went up to the neighbors telling them what had just had happened while they were in the house unaware of the attempted break-in/possible theft of their 1970 Chrysler Newport 4-door hardtop, and promptly called the police, and filing a report when the cops minutes later came...



-- Dave




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Post# 1182596 , Reply# 65   6/14/2023 at 16:38 (309 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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One family I knew could never live without a full sized van, before moving they had a number of van conversions, all Fords, starting off with a window van that had no seats in the rear, just a carpeted wooden bench along the drivers side that I don’t think even had seat belts across from the sliding side door…

I don’t know how the kids sat still that way either, and one would have needed to have been placed in a child seat, at that age… That family made many trips to and from Florida that way… When they just moved to our neighborhood they had a window van that I’m certain had normal seats in the rear or at least one front facing bench…



— Dave


Post# 1182600 , Reply# 66   6/14/2023 at 17:26 (309 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)        

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I have a neighbor in her early 90's that told me they bought a used hearse from a local funeral home and with 6 kids and no seat belts, it worked for them when she was young and foolish..

Post# 1182760 , Reply# 67   6/16/2023 at 11:09 (307 days old) by Polkanut (Wausau, WI )        

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My dad bought his aunt's 1978 Granada Ghia from her in 1989. It had 10,002 original miles on it. I had aftermarket cruise control installed in it and the rear leaf springs replaced. It also had the base 250 straight 6 cylinder engine. Once it got up to highway speed she was a great cruiser that was fairly easy on gas. It was a sharp looking ride. I sure wish I still had it.

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Post# 1182918 , Reply# 68   6/19/2023 at 09:03 (304 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Yes, the Granada/Monarch/Versailles

were nice cars. Having long lineage parts from the Falcon/Maverick the bugs were mainly gone.


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