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The downfall of Philips
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Post# 1173948   3/6/2023 at 15:39 (409 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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Quite an interesting video I ran across last night. I've used Philips (Norelco) electric shavers for a good 50 years and surprisingly my current razor of about 5 years gave up the ghost this morning and isn't taking a charge. Back in the day when this happened I would just take it to a Philips Service Centre and have them fix it. I did order a new one from Amazon so hopefully it'll be here tomorrow. As well I bought a Philips Compact pasta maker a couple of months ago and it seems well built for a China made appliance but I was sort of shocked after watching this video that all the Philips appliances except for shavers are made by companies just licensing the Philips name.

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Post# 1173952 , Reply# 1   3/6/2023 at 16:07 (409 days old) by moderncleveland (Cleveland)        

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Reminds me of companies like Bell and Howell...an old name, but the actual company hasn't existed in ages...and other companies license the name.

Hubby's favorite razor in his collection is a 60s Norelco, which was his daily driver for years.

I have a number of vintage ladies electrics, too ... those are so well made. In his experience, the bargain $20 electric rotary shavers from the drug stores sold under names like Remington were always good. Recently he wanted to see what the modern world was all about so he bought a brand new foil razor, a commercial Wahl. Verdict: it's nice, feels good to hold, but in the end they still don't make 'em like they used to!


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Post# 1173978 , Reply# 2   3/6/2023 at 21:54 (409 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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Philips has really gone the way to GE and un-conglomerated themselves.
They really got out of a lot of home and personal electronics. They even sold lightbulbs. Sold off Hue.
All they got left consumer facing is Sonicare and Norelco.


Post# 1173982 , Reply# 3   3/6/2023 at 22:31 (409 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        

Philips - The only product I've ever had of theirs was a Norelco shaver I got as a present back in the mid 70's. I didn't keep it long, as I prefer a blade and shaving cream, since I like my skin to be as smooth as glass when I'm done. I gave it away since I wouldn't use it. The licensing of the Philips trademark is nothing new, as they licensed it in the 70's & 80's to Hamilton Beach for mixers sold in Canada.

Bell & Howell - I see all sorts of cheap junk advertised under that name. They used to make really nice movie equipment. The high school I went to had B&H 1545 and 1552 16mm projectors, and my Aunt Doris and Uncle Joe had a 1592 16mm projector. I wanted one of the school's 2592 projectors when they sold all their 16mm equipment in a 2003 building content liquidation sale, but I had a dentist appointment that day, and had to leave before they came up to sell. I should have cancelled - they sold for $30.00 each.


Post# 1173984 , Reply# 4   3/6/2023 at 22:57 (409 days old) by hobbyapocalypse (Northeast Pennsylvania)        

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Norelco didn't only make razors. Here's a picture of my Norelco tape recorder sitting on a chair.

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Post# 1173986 , Reply# 5   3/6/2023 at 23:20 (409 days old) by mb1974 (pa)        

If you want an old electric shaver, go to ebay or picclick and type in vintage electric shaver. You'll see all kinds of shavers. Remington, Schick, Braun, Ronson, Sunbeam, etc. I have bought several foil, slot and rotary shavers. They are built like mini tanks. I disassemble them, clean and disinfect everything, lube what needs to be lubed, reassemble them and they work perfectly. 40, 50, 60 year old shavers that were built to last forever... just like vintage appliances. They plow through my fairly heavy beard quite easily.

Post# 1173999 , Reply# 6   3/7/2023 at 04:54 (408 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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There was a time that Philips was an impressive company with a good reputation. Unfortunately all these bad decisions lead to the situation Philips is in now.

Fortunately the only section still left (nearby where I live) is the shaver factory. They're still a big succes. No job losses there. If Philips goes bankrupt I hope that part of the company will live on somehow.


Post# 1174234 , Reply# 7   3/9/2023 at 21:49 (406 days old) by mathewbailey08 (Port Arthur,Texas)        
Philips projectors

Don't forget the Norelco/Philips AA2/DP 70 projectors. This is because some people are still sticking with film.

Post# 1174345 , Reply# 8   3/11/2023 at 01:17 (405 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Oh yes-the Philips-Norelco projectors-there are folks still keeping these classics going.Often they have to have a machine shop fabricate parts that are no longer available.The shift to digital projection caused many analog film projectors to be dumpted as scrap.Never used a philips projector-but hear so much they were the BEST!!!Now theaters are less in vogue as they used to be-folks watch at home on their 4K TV's these days-me included.During the Covid period in my area BOTH theater chains were closed,shuttered,empty and dark-and to top it off empty poster cases.Now they are running again-big problem not too many movies on now that I want to watch.

Post# 1174349 , Reply# 9   3/11/2023 at 01:27 (405 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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"Alas, poor Philip,

 

I knew him well..."


Post# 1181090 , Reply# 10   5/21/2023 at 11:50 (333 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Here are some 1950’s and 1960’s Philips products. In the middle at the bottom is a picture of a Philips vacuum coffee maker. Quite a rare thing I’m sure. I never came across one. It would be awesome to find a fully working one.

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Post# 1181099 , Reply# 11   5/21/2023 at 14:32 (333 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
consumer grade CD players

Philips offered the first"cheap" CD players I saw in the stores: "made in Belgium" and started selling around the later part of 1985-ahead of Japanese consumer grade CD players by about 6 months :)

Post# 1181100 , Reply# 12   5/21/2023 at 16:03 (333 days old) by kenwashesmonday (Carlstadt, NJ)        

In the 1930s, George Pal, of Puppetoon fame, made a few advertisments for Philips radio.



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Post# 1181101 , Reply# 13   5/21/2023 at 16:11 (333 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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as I mentioned above I ordered a new Philips razor and it is made in China and pretty cheaply made. It in no way compares to any of my previous ones which were made in the Netherlands. The floating head is gargantuan and the pop up trimmer is tiny and flimsy.The massive head pretty much blocks any view of it when you're trying to trim. .

The pasta maker has been great so far, very happy with it and I use it a lot.


Post# 1181110 , Reply# 14   5/21/2023 at 23:04 (333 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Hi Pete,

Does your razor look the same as the ones made in the Netherlands? The factory here is still open and from what I understand they are not planning to close it. I guess they needed more capacity.


Post# 1181113 , Reply# 15   5/22/2023 at 03:06 (333 days old) by Brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

It seems to depend on where in the model range you purchase. At least here.

Michael bought a new one at Christmas and it was still made in the Netherlands.

Over here, the cheap ones feel very cheap and could be made in China, the premium models still feel like they’re made out of titanium and are definitely from the Netherlands.


Post# 1181117 , Reply# 16   5/22/2023 at 09:16 (332 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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I just had a look at my cheap Philips beard trimmer. It’s made in Indonesia.

Post# 1181166 , Reply# 17   5/22/2023 at 21:45 (332 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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it a series 5000 and looks like this one. When I look on their websites I see all sorts of 5000s that look more curvy and don't have such a big surround around the circular blades. With the trimmer open it doesn't "lock" meaning you can only use the trimmer in one direction, the direction it popped out of the case so if you try and trim in the opposite direction it goes to fold itself back in, if you get what I'm saying lol.

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Post# 1181169 , Reply# 18   5/22/2023 at 22:33 (332 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Ah yes, I do see a difference with the 7000 series. I wonder if the 5000 series sold here is made in Drachten or somewhere else.

Post# 1181177 , Reply# 19   5/23/2023 at 07:25 (331 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
Philips engines

Philips was one of several companies working with Stirling engines in the 60s and 70s-a small model,for a small generator,was made in enough numbers that a few still around in running order :)

Post# 1181179 , Reply# 20   5/23/2023 at 09:09 (331 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

In the 1970s we had a Philips K9 colour TV. Colour TV broadcasts began in Australia in 1975, though there were some trial transmissions earlier. It was a great TV, we got it in 1976. Dad wanted to watch the Olympics in colour.

 

Philips was big in Australia then - they manufactured a lot of products here, the factory was in Clayton, a suburb of Melbourne. They also owned Malvern Star bicycles, which were a very well liked brand. I had a friend at school whose Dad worked as an accountant at Philips. I had a part-time job working for a local pharmacy after school, delivering prescriptions on my bicycle. I saved up to buy a new, better bike - a blue Malvern Star 5 speed "racer." My friend's Dad got it for me at staff discount price, much cheaper than in stores. Sad thing is today you could still buy a new bike for that price, though it would be cheap junk. The Malvern Star was fantastic, I loved it.

 

Philips TVs at that time were advertised for having Natural Colour - many other brand TVs had very 'vibrant" colour which looked impressive in the store, but was too bright, with unrealistic colours. The new Japanese brands in particular tended to be like that. Philips had a great series of TV commercials to demonstrate their Natural Colour, one featured animals being fooled by the image on the screen, reacting to it as if it were real. Parrots trying to eat seeds off the screen; dogs trying to chase a ball on the screen; a mouse running from a cat on the TV and so on. My friend's Dad told us that the ad was shown to Philips staff before it was released, and they had a "bloopers" version which included all the things that went wrong during filming the advertisement. A monkey attacked one of the crew, a parrot paid no attention to the image it was supposed to react to. The ads were very successful, Philips TVs were very well regarded in Australia. I remember Choice magazine did a huge test on TVs, much more thorough than they are today, it included opening the TV and seeing what they were like for servicing. The Philips was the best, its circuit boards hinged open each side, giving very easy access to both sides of the board.

 

I couldn't find the ad I remember (with the animals) on youtube, but here are some from the series of Philips Natural Colour TV ads:

 










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