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What are/were Champion washers?
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Post# 1180149   5/8/2023 at 21:48 (324 days old) by GRNAppliance (Whakatane, New Zealand)        

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Today I found a Champion washer for sale on Trademe. I have never heard of this brand before, but looking at it, it appears to be very vintage. Is there anyone who might be able to tell me more about these Champion washers and what they were? Also, I couldn't find any pictures or other videos of them working, so any photos would also be appreciated. Thanks!

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Post# 1180175 , Reply# 1   5/9/2023 at 03:31 (324 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

Have you bought it yet? Could you post a better photo of the ID plate on the back?

It sure looks like an interesting catch.

 

The ID plate shows it was made by Radiation Co in Dunedin, so I googled Radiation Appliances and found this in the NZ national archive: tiaki.natlib.govt.nz/#details=ec...

 

The documents are at the Alexander Turnbull Library at Wellington. They are a collection of brochures for Champion branded appliances including a couple for Champion automatic washers from the 1970s.

 

It would be great if you could access these documents and post images of them here!


Post# 1180178 , Reply# 2   5/9/2023 at 04:42 (324 days old) by GRNAppliance (Whakatane, New Zealand)        

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I do not have this washer in my possession yet, I would like to learn more about it before I put in the word to try and retrieve it. Also, I am personally unable to log in to request the item in the link you provided (Perhaps someone else could). I am highly considering this washer, so any more info will be appreciated!

Post# 1180194 , Reply# 3   5/9/2023 at 10:47 (324 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)        
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Its an interesting one this. Firstly Radiation (using that same trade mark) was a group of British companies including Jackson (Electric cookers/ranges), Parnall (washers and dryers) and New World (Gas cookers/ranges). The model names of Topline and Trimline were used for Jackson cookers and Spinwasher was used for Parnall washers - these are all mentioned in the attachment linked in an earlier reply. Parnall was the only UK manufactured washer that had any form of suds saving. I also know that the Parnall name was used for a while on Australian cookers although they don't look much like anything we saw here.

The group was amalgamated/take over by the TI group around 1967 or so and the Parnall name was swiftly dropped along with its washer lines (top loading automatic and semi automatic washers), their all new tumble dryer range was rebranded and developed under TI's Creda brand. The cookers ran alongside Creda's extensive line of cookers for a while (Jackson had a strong brand presence) although Jackson models were gradually dropped where there was duplication with Creda and finally in around 1976 the last Jackson cooker, the Topline, was rebranded as Creda.

The washers started life as a locally manufactured version of US Thor model which morphed into the very different looking Parnall Spinwasher (semi automatic) around 1959 although apparently very similar mechanically. This model was further updated and an additional fully automatic washer added.

Its perfectly possible that a NZ subsidiary might not have been included in the takeover for, whilst that agitator has the look of Parnall about it, the control panel looks far more modern than that of the last UK Spinwasher. Of course it is possible they were manufacturing them locally under licence and continued to do so - I have little knowledge of Antipodean washers but the control panel has something of the look of Australian manufactured Hoover toploaders to me. As long as the price is low it could well be worth getting and, although spare parts may be scarce, ingenuity can go a long way in getting a machine up and running. Good Luck


Post# 1180222 , Reply# 4   5/9/2023 at 17:55 (323 days old) by GRNAppliance (Whakatane, New Zealand)        

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Oh my! So you're saying that the design comes from the late 50s? And if the washers were dropped in '67, does that mean that it dates to... the '60s?

I'm gonna have to check first, but I'll see if I can possibly grab this one.


Post# 1180232 , Reply# 5   5/9/2023 at 20:05 (323 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

The list I posted on the NZ archive shows booklets for the "Champion Spinwasher" and the "Champion Sudsaver" both from the 1970s.

The Champion machine in the Trademe ad looks 1970s to me. It's quite likely that a design that was dropped in the UK in the 60s continued in NZ for a few more years and had some successive NZ-only updates.

 

GRNAppliance - can't you sign up to access the archive? You set up a RealMe account first, then log in with your RealMe details. I think RealMe is only available for NZ residents?? The link to set up a RealMe account is in the top right corner of the screen in the link I posted.




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Post# 1180244 , Reply# 6   5/9/2023 at 22:57 (323 days old) by GRNAppliance (Whakatane, New Zealand)        

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Yeah, I'm unable to do that sorry. Seems that this machine would definitely come in early 70s, considering that the last Spinwasher ever made in the UK looks very old compared to this one. There must be someone who knows how to decode these serial numbers, but until then, I'll assume this machine is very early 70s.

Post# 1180247 , Reply# 7   5/10/2023 at 03:09 (323 days old) by keymatic (London / UK)        

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Morning Gabriel,

Great find and hopefully you will get it soon, there isn't much more i can add to Vacbear's reply apart from adding some pics of the Mk2 & Mk 3 Spin washers available in UK from the early to mid 60's. The Mk3 had the functionality of completing a whole wash programme automatically and still retaining the wash water for further loads, unlike the previous 2 models this was not possible as after each wash load the clothes had to be spun and the water saved and the clothes removed and then the next load washed, rinsing was only completed after all the wash loads were complete.
Cheers
Keith


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Post# 1180250 , Reply# 8   5/10/2023 at 05:48 (323 days old) by GRNAppliance (Whakatane, New Zealand)        

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I noticed that you had a Parnall washer from 1964. Do you happen to know how to decode the serial numbers to get the date out of this machine?

Post# 1180273 , Reply# 9   5/10/2023 at 12:43 (323 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Champion / Parnall Radiation / Thor

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A great fnd Gabriel and it does as others above look similar to the Parnall washing machines made in the UK.

Here are a few pics of Darrens (Slowspin66) semi automatic machines








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Post# 1180282 , Reply# 10   5/10/2023 at 18:03 (322 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        
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Almost reminds me of a Maytag along with a Norge-esqe console.

Post# 1180294 , Reply# 11   5/10/2023 at 19:40 (322 days old) by GRNAppliance (Whakatane, New Zealand)        

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Here's another question that might be worth considering. It looks like these washers were good performers with those many fins on the agitator. They also happen to be a long-stroke machine, something that I haven't had the chance to own yet. I'm not sure how well this machine would do with balancing. Does it have an OOB switch in it? Perhaps someone will know.

Post# 1180328 , Reply# 12   5/11/2023 at 02:51 (322 days old) by Slowspin66 (lincoln uk)        
I’m convinced

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Hello there the similarities in the machines as others have stated suggest they are the same ??
On the UK machines the lid switch actuator goes through a slot on the top of the machine . This is the same as in your machine . I think this was a unique arrangement .
Have a look at the photo . As for the spinning there isn’t an out of balanced switch that I can recall. . A full load of single fabric types spins really well As you never quite never know how balanced it will be until the water has spun out the tub . .
The tub on the spinwasher machines is solid even though it appears perforated so when the machine spins with a small load a tsunami tidal wave can occur in the tub with a small load ending up
On one side on the tub … however a very unbalanced load will not spin due to the clutch being unable to fully engage the power from the motor . The machine can lurch from side to side on such an occasion !!!



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Post# 1180330 , Reply# 13   5/11/2023 at 06:01 (322 days old) by GRNAppliance (Whakatane, New Zealand)        

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Guys, I did it! It took a little bit of persuasion because the timing was a little inconvenient, but I was just given the all-clear to go ahead and buy it!!!

Looks like we'll be arranging to pick it up on Wednesday. But for now, I would like to say a big thanks to everyone on this site who helped me to learn more about this rare find, and to appreciate its value better!


Post# 1180331 , Reply# 14   5/11/2023 at 06:25 (322 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Champion / Parnall Radiation / Thor

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Just lightened the pics to check the tub and yes indeed it has the perforated liner tub.
I must say Get This if you can its totally unique and a great vintage washer !!


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Post# 1180332 , Reply# 15   5/11/2023 at 06:31 (322 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Thor Parnall Champion

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Heres a few more pics of the tub assembly .

Here is link to previous thread when we found the Parnall W601 from 1966.


CLICK HERE TO GO TO chestermikeuk's LINK


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Post# 1180334 , Reply# 16   5/11/2023 at 07:48 (322 days old) by keymatic (London / UK)        

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Hi Gabriel,

Glad to hear you are going for the washer, it would be such a shame to let this one slip away !

It would be great once you have it to post some internal pictures, Parnall released the MK3 Spin washer here in the UK around 1966/67, and the suds saving set up on this model was totally different to that of the previous two models and it could be the same on the machine you are getting.

Good luck for Wednesday !

cheers Keith


Post# 1180337 , Reply# 17   5/11/2023 at 08:47 (322 days old) by Slowspin66 (lincoln uk)        
The tub

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It’s an interesting design on the parnall tub as the perforated liner is fixed into the solid tub with a small space between to allow the water get out quickly in the spin cycle … I not sure if it improves the overall spin performance or not ?
Will love to see the new machine when you collect it . Best wishes Darren . Ps Willow the cat has got in on the act in that last photo !!!!


Post# 1180364 , Reply# 18   5/11/2023 at 15:57 (322 days old) by GRNAppliance (Whakatane, New Zealand)        

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So those holes that make up the inner tub, are they artificial holes, or are they real holes? Regardless, they look pretty cool and add to the look of the machine.

Post# 1180365 , Reply# 19   5/11/2023 at 16:00 (322 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        

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Isn’t this a solid tub machine?

Post# 1180372 , Reply# 20   5/11/2023 at 16:52 (321 days old) by Slowspin66 (lincoln uk)        
Tub structure

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The tub liner is perforated but the main tub is solid except along the upper rim
Where the water passes during the overflow rinse or spin … the enamel of both parts of the tub structure are the same colour so look as if they are one complete unit . The liner is held in place with stainless fixings …


Post# 1180373 , Reply# 21   5/11/2023 at 16:55 (321 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        
Reply #20

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That’s how the Maytag AMP washers were made, a perforated tub in a solid tub and the outer tub.

Post# 1180397 , Reply# 22   5/12/2023 at 01:27 (321 days old) by GRNAppliance (Whakatane, New Zealand)        

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I was also noticing that the washer has these 4 program selection buttons on it. They are Auto, Manual, and Normal (with the fourth button being suds-save). I am curious as to what these functions do. Could they be a Water Level selector, or something else?

Post# 1180398 , Reply# 23   5/12/2023 at 04:27 (321 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Champion / Parnall Radiation / Thor

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Here are a few clearer pics from the thread !!

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Post# 1180399 , Reply# 24   5/12/2023 at 04:28 (321 days old) by keymatic (London / UK)        

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Hi Gabriel,

I have managed to get hold of the information which is held at the Alexander Turnbull Library NZ:

1) Introducing your Champion Automatic Spinwasher Booklet
2) Introducing your Champion Sudssaver fully automatic washer.

The assistant has sent through PDF's, so if you send me your email i will send these on to you.

Regards
Keith


Post# 1180400 , Reply# 25   5/12/2023 at 04:54 (321 days old) by Slowspin66 (lincoln uk)        
Found it

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This is the tub arrangement

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Post# 1180401 , Reply# 26   5/12/2023 at 05:17 (321 days old) by GRNAppliance (Whakatane, New Zealand)        
To: Keymatic

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My email address can be found in my profile details. Thanks!

Post# 1180407 , Reply# 27   5/12/2023 at 08:38 (321 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        
Cool pictures!

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That wash tub liner isn't like the Maytag AMP it is just like what Philco used where it doesn't cover the tub bottom. The Philco design was more effective at not trapping sand permanently at the bottom of the tub, where as the Maytag AMP had sand issues with their double tub.

Post# 1180442 , Reply# 28   5/12/2023 at 15:55 (321 days old) by GRNAppliance (Whakatane, New Zealand)        

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Huge Shout out to Keymatic for emailing me the very instruction manual for my machine. At the bottom of the cover picture, it calls Radiation NZ a member of the Tube Investment group (TI), which I believe explains our theory that the NZ subsidiary was not included in the TI takeover in 1967 when the design should've been completely killed off. This also means that my washer will date somewhere after 1967 instead of before, perhaps 70s.

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Post# 1180458 , Reply# 29   5/12/2023 at 20:08 (320 days old) by GRNAppliance (Whakatane, New Zealand)        

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This page in the manual explains how to operate the machine and more.

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Post# 1180459 , Reply# 30   5/12/2023 at 20:11 (320 days old) by GRNAppliance (Whakatane, New Zealand)        

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Further instructions.

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Post# 1180460 , Reply# 31   5/12/2023 at 20:17 (320 days old) by GRNAppliance (Whakatane, New Zealand)        

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So it's not a typical Suds-Saver. Their method of doing so is described a little differently...

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Post# 1180801 , Reply# 32   5/16/2023 at 23:49 (316 days old) by GRNAppliance (Whakatane, New Zealand)        

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Here it is:

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Post# 1180802 , Reply# 33   5/16/2023 at 23:51 (316 days old) by GRNAppliance (Whakatane, New Zealand)        

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The timer appears to be missing a cover.

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Post# 1180803 , Reply# 34   5/16/2023 at 23:52 (316 days old) by GRNAppliance (Whakatane, New Zealand)        

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Control buttons.

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Post# 1180804 , Reply# 35   5/16/2023 at 23:54 (316 days old) by GRNAppliance (Whakatane, New Zealand)        

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A lit-up picture of the inside.

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Post# 1180805 , Reply# 36   5/16/2023 at 23:56 (316 days old) by GRNAppliance (Whakatane, New Zealand)        

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I apologize for the lighting in this one.

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Post# 1180806 , Reply# 37   5/16/2023 at 23:58 (316 days old) by GRNAppliance (Whakatane, New Zealand)        

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I removed the back panel. Here is the inside.

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Post# 1180807 , Reply# 38   5/16/2023 at 23:58 (316 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        

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Looks to be a solid tub :)

Post# 1180808 , Reply# 39   5/16/2023 at 23:59 (316 days old) by GRNAppliance (Whakatane, New Zealand)        

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Motor details and capacitor.

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Post# 1180809 , Reply# 40   5/17/2023 at 00:01 (316 days old) by GRNAppliance (Whakatane, New Zealand)        

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Interestingly, there's an electric pump in this one.

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Post# 1180810 , Reply# 41   5/17/2023 at 00:01 (316 days old) by GRNAppliance (Whakatane, New Zealand)        

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Transmission shot.

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Post# 1180811 , Reply# 42   5/17/2023 at 00:02 (316 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        

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Looks like the same motor that’s on my ‘73 Maytag A606. Looks to be from either the 70’s or early 80’s..

Post# 1180812 , Reply# 43   5/17/2023 at 00:03 (316 days old) by GRNAppliance (Whakatane, New Zealand)        

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I'm not sure what that is, but it does connect to a pressure switch, as you'll see in a later photo.

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Post# 1180813 , Reply# 44   5/17/2023 at 00:04 (316 days old) by GRNAppliance (Whakatane, New Zealand)        

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Water valve shot. It's... different.

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Post# 1180814 , Reply# 45   5/17/2023 at 00:06 (316 days old) by GRNAppliance (Whakatane, New Zealand)        

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It doesn't use the usual screw-on water hoses, but rather, some plain tubing.

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Post# 1180815 , Reply# 46   5/17/2023 at 00:08 (316 days old) by GRNAppliance (Whakatane, New Zealand)        

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My last picture, which shows the back of the control panel. Note the Pressure switch it has.

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Post# 1180816 , Reply# 47   5/17/2023 at 00:13 (316 days old) by GRNAppliance (Whakatane, New Zealand)        

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So this washer is going to need a bit of a fix, as there are a few minor problems that I need to address. The first being that it is missing its drain hose, due to the original one splitting in half because of its age. I also discovered that the power chord was cut off for some reason, so I'll need to get that mended.

Post# 1180818 , Reply# 48   5/17/2023 at 00:23 (316 days old) by GRNAppliance (Whakatane, New Zealand)        

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But most unfortunately, it ended up not handling the 4-hour car trip over here very well, as some sort of oil gradually began to spill out of what I presume was the Transmission.

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Post# 1180819 , Reply# 49   5/17/2023 at 00:33 (316 days old) by GRNAppliance (Whakatane, New Zealand)        
My Plan...

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Given the current state of the machine, and considering that I want to give this washer the best shot at life possible, I've decided to make this machine my next major restoration project. With that in mind, after I make my introduction video for it on youtube, I will start another different thread on here aiming to educate me on how to go about my restoration, and gradually, I will take the machine apart, clean it all out, fix any major issues, and put it back together again where it will hopefully work again. This is my current plan.

Post# 1180821 , Reply# 50   5/17/2023 at 01:44 (316 days old) by Slowspin66 (lincoln uk)        
That’s brilliant

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Well done on the collection and saving !!!
The machine looks very similar inside to the semi auto . The transmission fill flume ETC could be shots of the spinwasher !! All may not appear with that oil leak as the oil may have run down the drive shaft during the trip home and come out under the drive block as there is no seal under there and it may have pooled inside the agitator and back tracked so it looks as if it’s directly under the agitator base ?
The transmission is situated under the agitator and is in the tub bolted to the base There is a huge cork seal sealing it .. I’ve the workshop manual for the Parnall spinwasher if it’s any help .. wonderful. Find !! Well done again Darren


Post# 1180829 , Reply# 51   5/17/2023 at 06:00 (316 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

That double inlet valve with clamped on hoses is "normal" on Australian washing machines of that era. Look for some sort of brand name on the valve solenoids - I'm guessing they are Goyen Controls valves - probably made in suburban Melbourne.

 

Back in the late 1980s or early 1990s, I was working on converting a washing machine to work on low voltage, to use on our solar power system. I was looking for 12 volt solenoid valves. I contacted Goyen Controls who made those valves, I told them what I was up to and luckily I got a helpful person who was willing to sell me a valve at trade price. He showed me the price sheet (all on paper back then...) which had all three prices for that 2 into 1 washing machine valve - Direct to public $28; Trade was about $16 and manufacturer price... the price they sold them to the washing machine manufacturers... $4!! They supplied me a valve with 12 V DC coils instead of 240V AC coils.

 

Have you noticed the short curved rubber hose from that double inlet valve to the wash tub is badly perished? It will need to be replaced.


Post# 1180866 , Reply# 52   5/17/2023 at 19:46 (315 days old) by GRNAppliance (Whakatane, New Zealand)        

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Yeah, I hope that those hoses work. Otherwise, I'll have to do a bit of DIY and grab some tubing from my Bunnings Warehouse, and somehow construct my own hoses. As for the perished hose on the valve, I'll most likely try to fix that, given that replacement parts for this machine are probably scarce.

Later today, I might see if I can take the rest of the cabinet off so that I can get a full shot of the outer tub.


Post# 1180892 , Reply# 53   5/18/2023 at 02:47 (315 days old) by Slowspin66 (lincoln uk)        
Inspired one

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Well all this suds saving inspired me to drag the semi auto Parnall to the sink and give it a run . The right sided water flume is the suds return and the left for filling … what i tend to do Is save the last rinse water and pump it back up from the tank and then overflow rinse for another 10 mins or until the water runs clear !!!The water pressure here is terrible so it takes a little longer to operate the machine. I managed four wash loads on a tub of hot water !!!! Mind you I drained 1/2 a swimming pool of water to rinse it all !!!!!!


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Post# 1180907 , Reply# 54   5/18/2023 at 14:20 (315 days old) by Brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Hi Gabrielle

Bunnings should sell high pressure inlet hoses, plus the fittings you need to make it connect to the tap. If you reuse the existing hoses, turn the water off when you’re done. Don’t use Garden Hose or any tubing from the garden section for the inlet hoses. Bunnings should also have a replacement drain hose, with an end fitting that can be cut to fit multiple sizes of drain port.

For the short section, you should be able to find something at an automotive store to make a replacement or the garden section at bunnings should have clear reinforced hose that is rated to 60degC

Cheers

Nathan



Post# 1180911 , Reply# 55   5/18/2023 at 15:56 (315 days old) by Keymatic (London / UK)        

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Evening Gabriel,
Glad you got the machine, albeit a minor splash of transmission oil along the way.
Hope you get it up and running, it looks almost identical to the mk2 spin washer we had here in the UK the mid 60’s.
They are fab machines, not sure i would call it “automatic” like the control suggests but a far cry from either a twin tub or wringer washer.
Before Parnall launched the spinwasher the forerunner were the Thor Automagic’s which i am really fond of and are wonderful machines !! The suds saving was more primitive in Thor’s literally a rubber stopper in the end of the drain hose.
Keep us posted on the investigations & the road to revival:)
Regards
Keith


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Post# 1181303 , Reply# 56   5/26/2023 at 02:01 (307 days old) by Slowspin66 (lincoln uk)        
Any progress

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Really interested to see if you’ve had any more progress on your machine .

Post# 1181391 , Reply# 57   5/28/2023 at 02:39 (305 days old) by GRNAppliance (Whakatane, New Zealand)        

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Here's the link to the machine's introduction video on Youtube. I filmed this on the same day I got the machine home. As you'll see, I attempted to explain what I had learned about this machine so far from here, and I was doing this while being very excited.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO GRNAppliance's LINK


Post# 1181393 , Reply# 58   5/28/2023 at 03:19 (305 days old) by GRNAppliance (Whakatane, New Zealand)        
Current Status:

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The machine is sitting next to my other machines in storage for now (and I've put it back together). I haven't had anything major happen to it since.

I am going to be on a vacation in America for 2 months soon, and while I'm there, the machine is going to be resting in storage alongside some of my other machines. But when I come back, I'll be able to get to work on it again, and You'll know when that is because I will have initiated another thread for that. Thanks again!

-Gabriel


Post# 1181489 , Reply# 59   5/29/2023 at 18:58 (303 days old) by GRNAppliance (Whakatane, New Zealand)        
Date?

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While I'm waiting, there is still one unresolved question that needs to be answered. When exactly was this machine made? I know it's got to be sometime after 1967 because it's part of the Tube Investment group (TI), but that's all I know. An exact date would be nice.

Model: Champion (?)
Type: -EW 501
Serial No. 45743

Other Ratings: 230/240v | 50hz | 3.2 amps | A/C only



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