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Post# 1180386   5/11/2023 at 21:45 (322 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        

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According to Wolf,
Even though we're collectively driving more miles and with an increase in population, gasoline sales are falling after plateauing in 2018.

Other sources have pointed out how some auto manufacturers have made no or few preparations to electrify. Surprisingly companies such as Toyota, Honda, and Subaru could well end up bankrupt in just a few years. Something I would not have ever thought but apparently a majority of their stock holders are also holders of oil stocks and are trying to hold down progress.

The switch over to electric vehicles is looking more and more like it's going to be like how it was around 2005 with the switch over from tube tvs to flat panels. I remember going to a Circuit City around that time to shop, then coming back to the store about 5 months later and all the TVs were now flat panel models. It was incredible how fast it went.

China- the MOST IMPORTANT auto market on the planet, has basically made it impossible to register gasoline cars there and the biggest electric car makers, besides Tesla, are Chinese.







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Post# 1180388 , Reply# 1   5/11/2023 at 22:23 (322 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        

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Post# 1180390 , Reply# 2   5/11/2023 at 22:39 (322 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        
Ford is a joke

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Post# 1180391 , Reply# 3   5/11/2023 at 22:42 (322 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)        

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When I can go to a charging station and it charges full as quick as a gas pump fill up cheaper than gasoline, maybe I will consider it. But with the horrible charges for electricity here I refuse to listen to save the world. I look at save my wallet. There are no electric vehicles I ever see around here and with a 90% increase in my electric bill for the same KWH I used a year ago this month. Forget it, I am going back to burning wood for heat. I Refuse to turn to all electric until the cost is comes way down

Post# 1180405 , Reply# 4   5/12/2023 at 08:00 (321 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
The future is electric for most car owners

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Most of us will never use charging stations very much that are going to drive electric cars.

You merely plug them in at your home and they’re always ready to go for several hundred miles.

It is far cheaper even at $.30 a kilowatt hour to use an electric car than to pay three dollars a gallon for gasoline It’s not even close.

It’s not surprising that companies like Toyota and Subaru are going to fall behind. These companies were never innovative. All they were good at is copying American in European technology

And unfortunately they’ve gotten too complacent and they haven’t been copying electric cars, the Koreans and the Chinese are going to get the bulk of the business in electric cars if Toyota and Subaru don’t get on board fast. Toyota sold. A lot of Prius is, but they should’ve only been making plug-in models. There’s no point buying a highbred that you can’t plug-in you’re just throwing your money away on gasoline.

John


Post# 1180410 , Reply# 5   5/12/2023 at 09:03 (321 days old) by estesguy (kansas)        

I agree with John in the fact that electric cars would work fine around town. But I think I'll wait until battery technology gets better and we can go at least 600 miles or more, between charging. My daughter lives 365 miles away, and I don't want to have to search out a charging station that may be the wrong type, broken, or waiting on someone else to get done using it. I just read a news story of a woman who lives in Cali, I think, that had owned an electric car for 3 years, but was thinking of getting rid of it for the reasons I listed above. If the goverment want to push this, they better hurry up and support the build out of charging stations far beyond where were at today. And will batteries ever get that good? I don't know, but when you consider what smart phones can do now, that used to take a room full of computers to do, I hope so.



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Post# 1180422 , Reply# 6   5/12/2023 at 13:41 (321 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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I think I'd rather just stick to hybrid if I wanted something more energy efficient. We had a 2012 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid that was awesome for us, wished we never traded it in.

Post# 1180483 , Reply# 7   5/13/2023 at 00:19 (321 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Toyota going under??I have one of their BZ4X electric cars and like it.A level one charger comes with the car(12A120V).The 240V level2 30A charger is optional.A list of charge stations came with the car.There are several in Greenville.Haven't tried them yet.Just plug in a home.Yes th Toyota car I have is a start-figure the tech will improve.Mainly with batteries.The car I have has a 355V 71kwhr Lithium battery pack under the floor boards.200Hp motor and converters under the hood.And--a conventioanl 12V LA battery for the 12 system.The 12V battery is charged from the 355 main traction battery.

Post# 1180484 , Reply# 8   5/13/2023 at 00:33 (321 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        
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Yes, the BZ4X is made by BYD for Toyota. I commend you on your electric vehicle purchase.

BYD is a Chinese company, one of several electric car manufacturers in China's competitive market. Apparently they make some really nice vehicles that compete well with vehicles like Tesla.

I'm just wondering when they are going to start selling in the U.S.


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Post# 1180485 , Reply# 9   5/13/2023 at 00:46 (321 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        

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Post# 1180491 , Reply# 10   5/13/2023 at 01:30 (321 days old) by robbinsandmyers (Conn)        

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" China- the MOST IMPORTANT auto market on the planet "

 

Of course it is! Thats because its economy is booming now compared to what ours was because all our industry has gone there because we've been sold out by greedy CEO's and doosh politicians. This country used to be the most important auto market in the world for many years. Now all we're known for the last two years is a tanking economy, insane energy costs, a border wide open letting in the worst of the worst in world terrorists and underminers blending in with the " dreamers " and " birthing units ",  on top of bankrupting the federal govt laundering money to Ukraine,  shutting down so called dirty power plants here putting our insanely deficient electrical grid in even more jeopardy than it already is by adding more and more electrical vehicles to the burden plus appliances as well. Who honestly cares about well or important China is anyways? If they are its because we helped make it happen buying all their sub par shite. Im more concerned about whats happening here, and electric vehicle sales and wind/solar power generation are still a drop in the bucket. This country will be running on internal combustion and using gas stoves after we're all gone. The only difference will be if we're flying the flag of China or Russia by then and how much energy will cost us under Communist control. I'll keep my 750 mile range 23 year old turbo diesel Golf thanks. This country aint getting no gold stars lately.


Post# 1180494 , Reply# 11   5/13/2023 at 06:42 (320 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

The car I bought was from the Greenville Toyotas stock.They are planning on stocking more of these cars.Will have to look in the doorjamb to see if mine was built in China.Its a very high quality vehicle.China can build some good things.

Post# 1180548 , Reply# 12   5/13/2023 at 19:38 (320 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        
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China and India are important from the stand point that they are "modernizing" (driving cars vs riding bikes for example) things the U.S. outgrew decades ago. The auto industry in the U.S. is saturated, as are other similar industries.
And this goes for nearly every other European market. In fact, most of them are worse off.

It's also about growth of population per a country. The U.S. is still growing but it's growth is slowing. Other countries listed above are actually contracting in population. Japan is a good example.

And these are good things for the planet as there are way too many people crowded onto this finite planet already. When you hear certain members in the business community whining about population growth it's only because their old models of doing business don't work anymore.

It's all a tribute to how rich a country we COLLECTIVELY are. Don't let some sleazy politician or other boogy man try and imply that the U.S. is going bankrupt (and thus we must stop the meager amounts spent on food stamps) Those are just lies.

Even with the interest rates rising in the last year, something that is well over do and we need MUCH MUCH higher interest rates; but here we are a year later and still inflation is rising. That's how hot of a market we live in. That's how much money we have here in the u.s.

Petroleum will continue declining and that's great. We don't live for environment polluting oil companies, and certainly not the thoughtless investors of such.

It all comes down to demographics.






Post# 1180763 , Reply# 13   5/16/2023 at 15:57 (317 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Don't many electric cars use lithium-ion batteries? And aren't those something of a fire hazard?

 

One of my neighbors has a Prius. I had no idea it wasn't rechargeable. Another neighbor from a block or two away, parks their Tesla near here. They love their Tesla, or so I'm told.


Post# 1180793 , Reply# 14   5/16/2023 at 22:08 (317 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
Its coming folks..

Just as people fought the coming of the gasoline car in the early 1900s, its the same now, Its the future.

Post# 1180823 , Reply# 15   5/17/2023 at 01:59 (317 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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About the only incentive I would have to go electric would be if I were to only drive it to and from work, or at least if this number was as affordable and capable to make a long road trip as my Jeep:



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Post# 1180826 , Reply# 16   5/17/2023 at 02:33 (317 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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Electric cars have a long way to go before equaling and surpassing an ICE with a price tag that's affordable to the average citizen and a small polluting footprint (recycling batteries). The load they will place on an already stressed grid, along with other appliance related items forced to switch over, will be the biggest challenge. Realistically, it will take 15-20 years for tech to catch up along with building a grid that can withstand the necessary electrical output.


Post# 1180851 , Reply# 17   5/17/2023 at 14:47 (316 days old) by Good-Shepherd (New Jersey)        
people fought the coming of the gasoline car

Who fought the adoption of gas powered vehicles, the buggy whip industry?

Were massive government subsides and incentives needed to convince people to give up their horse and wagons?

Was the government trying to force people into purchasing motor vehicles though bans on horse and buggies?

Was the government forcing horse and buggy manufacturers to build motor vehicles through regulations on the amount of horse manure each buggy produced?


Post# 1180867 , Reply# 18   5/17/2023 at 19:50 (316 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        

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Horse and buggies did end up having to be banned on public roadways because of the obvious incompatibility of such things with automobiles. Horses frighten easily with motor vehicles, they are slow, they die, the poop all over EVERYWHERE.... it's unacceptable.
Very similar today how human drivers and petroleum vehicles are no longer desirable on the roads. Robots and AI do a great job driving a vehicle and virtually eliminate all accidents.
What's the biggest problem with autonomous automobiles? It's humans driving and animals(including humans) interfering with the road way.

It's reasonably easy to eliminate animals and humans from interfering with roadways. It's getting a ban on human drivers that's essential.

Once that is put in place, think of how nice it will be to subscribe to a transport SERVICE

instead of having to buy, drive, insure, fix, garage, clean, and be licensed to drive a vehicle.

AND you no longer need to be concerned about driving. I love it.

 

Plus getting the type of vehicle you need just be requesting it and only paying for what you need as long as you need it.

 





Post# 1180868 , Reply# 19   5/17/2023 at 19:55 (316 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        
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Just like how computer and cel phones evolved.  

 

Think of your first computer and peripherals.  ..and how much did you pay?   LOL

 

My first (real) computer was an IBM in 1996 and it replaced a Packard Bell computer I had purchased a month earlier at CompUSA.  I paid like $1100 .  LOL  Yes, a Packard Bell.

 

But anyway, that IBM had a 4.3 GB hard drive. 

 

Technology progressed fast over the years.  It's doing the same with electric cars only faster because computers are making everything evolve much faster.  Faster than humans can adopt to at this point.

 


Post# 1180876 , Reply# 20   5/17/2023 at 21:02 (316 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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I actually stopped on a dime for a horse-drawn wagon in Ohio of which two horses were pulling and a man leading them was riding in on my way to the State's Fair...

Horses and buggies are still the main form of transportation in the parts of Indiana such as Shipshewana which I frequently visit...

And, heck, outdoor lights are strung around vertical structures such as poles and trees using indoor two-prong extension cords and the lighting strips seemingly rated more for indoor use than what I can't imagine weathering winter conditions when such would be mainly lit, though I think these lights are on nightly year round...

Computers and phones, too, have evolutionized way beyond what mankind can imagine, though hairdly in mass ways the way automotive industry products are going to be expected to, no matter how many volumes of those there are in use...

There will always be a vehicle's carrying capacity and ability to maintain traction in various inclement conditions and often a proven ability to conquer both that will need to be developed at least there in what's heavy duty use...

Lastly when horses, oxen, mules and other animals were abandoned as regular use for transport, think of how fossil fuels were abundant and even easily refined when the automotive age finally came about and many who'd scorned, scoffed at or simply would not accept this change somehow easily and quickly adapted to this eternal stage...

And that's even doing the work involved in building, maintaining and providing the needed energy for, never thinking about any negative effects such as noise or pollution as much as enjoying the much obvious and positive advantage the progress of such offered, never looking back at the previous mode, and allowing this revolution in transit to go on for centuries...

Many improvements have and still come a long way, so harnessing a similar capability via a certain other source permanently as another standard seemingly needs to be as dramatically developed, and only time will tell how well and everlastingly permanent this change will be...



-- Dave


Post# 1180941 , Reply# 21   5/19/2023 at 11:14 (314 days old) by volvoman (West Windsor, NJ)        
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"...Once that is put in place, think of how nice it will be to subscribe to a transport SERVICE

instead of having to buy, drive, insure, fix, garage, clean, and be licensed to drive a vehicle.

AND you no longer need to be concerned about driving..."


Yeah, no thanks. I love driving.


Post# 1181154 , Reply# 22   5/22/2023 at 20:53 (311 days old) by LowEfficiency (Iowa)        

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>> But I think I'll wait until battery technology gets better and we can go at least 600 miles or more, between
>> charging. My daughter lives 365 miles away, and I don't want to have to search out a charging station that
>> may be the wrong type, broken, or waiting on someone else to get done using it.

The point of diminishing returns hits way before 600 miles. They could make an EV with a 600 mile range today, but it wouldn't be what consumers want. More range takes more batteries, and more batteries means more weight, which means more power is required just to haul your battery pack around. Plus with increased weight comes worse handling, faster tire wear, lower interior and cargo space, more energy losses to pack heating and cooling, and most importantly - slower charging when it's depleted and higher cost per mile on road trips.

With the battery technology we have today (and the improvements that are forecast), a car with a 300 mile range is going to be much more pleasant day-to-day than a 600+ mile car.


Post# 1181164 , Reply# 23   5/22/2023 at 21:35 (311 days old) by volvoman (West Windsor, NJ)        
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"...a car with a 300 mile range is going to be much more pleasant day-to-day than a 600+ mile car..."

Yes, but what happens if you're the type of person that doesn't use their car as a "commuter appliance" or grocery getter?

As an example, my wife and I enjoy our long-distance road trips to the Carolinas, several times a year. In our gas-powered cars, we can make the drive in about 8 or 9 hours, only having to stop once for fuel (I'll save you the trouble - we're weirdos that do not stop for bathroom, stretch, or food breaks. It's all about making time, and enjoying our destination).

With the current state of BEVs, you'd be stopping multiple times, often for 30 or more minutes. To Mrs. Volvoman and I, that's waste. Sure, car makers tout a 250 or 300 mile range. But that's assuming that you're not using the climate control system, have to pass a truck using reserve power, or listening to the radio. An accurate estimate, is to take that range, and divide it in half. Car and Driver just published an article putting a gas-powered Jetta against a Chevrolet Bolt. The Bolt started off well...but then, it rained. And with the traction of the tires against the wet road, the range dropped precariously. With a gas car, this isn't something a person has to worry about.

Make no mistake - I'm not bashing electric cars. In fact, they're quite useful for those that live in the city, have short commutes, or only use their vehicle for quick errands. But for what our family needs, they're not ready for prime time. When a BEV comes out that can charge as quickly as it takes to fuel an ICE vehicle, goes the same distance between charging as an ICE vehicle, and costs the same as an ICE vehicle, I'll gladly make the switch. But now is not the time.


Post# 1181167 , Reply# 24   5/22/2023 at 22:05 (311 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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Well here’s an EV that someone just gave me—I just need to fit in it that’s all:



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Post# 1181175 , Reply# 25   5/23/2023 at 01:20 (311 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Kind of looks like a kiddie EV...

 


Post# 1181182 , Reply# 26   5/23/2023 at 10:09 (310 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)        
most people...

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have more the one car, so it makes sense to have an EV for short trips, which comprises 80-90% of most people's driving, and an IC vehicle for trips if long range is a factor. That's our plan, as soon as Toyota makes the type of EV we want.

Post# 1181187 , Reply# 27   5/23/2023 at 12:05 (310 days old) by philcobendixduo (San Jose)        
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I was an "early adopter" in 2011 when I took delivery of my 2011 Nissan Leaf SL. It was number 2535 off the line.
The "sales claim" was "up to 100 miles on a charge".
I never got more than 85 miles on a charge and usually more like 65-75.
I loved the EV driving experience and, with all the rebates, tax incentives, and other "perks", I was really motivated to go electric.
Despite the limited range, I enjoyed driving the car and it was perfect for running local errands and short trips.
The low maintenance needs were also a selling point for me. Brake fluid changes and tire rotations were all I ever needed. One set of new tires at around 30k miles.
After 12 years and 42k miles, the 24KWh battery capacity was giving me only about 20-30 miles of range.
Nissan wanted $13,500 to replace the battery so I decided to just sell the car to CarMax for $3400 a couple of months ago.
Yes - there are independent shops that change out EV batteries but sadly, none in my area.
If I could have gotten a new and larger capacity battery for a decent price, I would have kept the car.
For now, I am back to driving only my ICE car.
I might consider an EV in the future when battery technology improves AND range is equal to an ICE car.
Then, an EV could be my only car rather than just a "city car".


Post# 1181191 , Reply# 28   5/23/2023 at 13:27 (310 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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Short trips in mild climate areas is about the only option for EV's at the moment.

 

A/C sucks down battery power in the hot areas with the same problem as running the heater in colder areas. Also, be aware that there's a battery heater which keeps it from freezing. That heater can significantly reduce battery power just sitting in the garage/parking lot in temps at and below freezing.

 

Hybrids are still where it's at for the moment, just drive them easy. The first hybrid I saw was a Honda Insight in early 1999 while I was driving up the Altamont Pass. The speed limit was (still is) 65 MPH and I was doing 70 so I didn't have to downshift out of 5th gear in my brand new Honda Accord. That Insight blew past me on the left lane at more than 85 MPH. It just seemed counterproductive driving a Hybrid to save on gas while dogging the crap out of it up a semi steep hill. It was also brand new, which is not an ideal way to treat a vehicle before it's broken in.


Post# 1181199 , Reply# 29   5/23/2023 at 15:58 (310 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        
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Post# 1181200 , Reply# 30   5/23/2023 at 16:33 (310 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        

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There are already more public charging stations for EVs in the U.S. than there are old fashioned gas stations.

And guess what, EV charging stations don't have big expensive tanks under the ground that could leak, explode, or contaminate the ground water.

Charging stations, being so compact, can be set up anywhere. I almost always see them in shopping areas and hotel parking lots.

However, there are many more recharging options for EV drivers, compared to stinky gasoline. With electric you can charge:

1. At home either with a 230 volt charger or simply by plugging into a standard outlet we already have.
2. At a hotel, RV parks, your relatives/friends home, ...anywhere where there is a typical electric plug or bigger.
3. You can modify your vehicle by installing flexible solar panels on your car roof that will help you charge your battery whenever the sun is out, whether your driving or not.
4. If you have your own solar panel array, as many people here in California do, you can charge your own car for FREE.

With petroleum, you can't do any of that cool stuff. If there is an oil embargo, or prices climb again (and they will) you are completely at the mercy of petroleum wheeler-dealers.

You rarely ever hear stories of some moron who drove their EV until the charge was completely done. There's no valid excuse for that. There are many apps that make finding a charge station super easy.

Charging stations are where you will see a higher socio-economic class of people as well. They also are clean because they are new and there are no, and never will be any oil/gasoline leaks all over the ground turning it black and gross.

Compare that to going to a typical aged gas station. They age so quick. You have to watch where you step as you don't want to step in diesel fuel or wet gasoline spills. You don't want the stuff splashing on your clothes or your car. You don't want to breathe that poison. Everything is worn and weathered. It's so dingey. The whole mega gas station/convenience store format is also OLD. Over priced candy , snacks, unhealthy junk food, and of course the dirty bathrooms.

Nope, won't miss that.



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Post# 1181203 , Reply# 31   5/23/2023 at 16:54 (310 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)        
well as Hans said...

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it's coming, deal with it. I for one can 't wait to reduce auto maintenance expense by an average of 40% and get a fuel economy equivalent to 130mpg in a clean and quiet electric vehicle.

Post# 1181205 , Reply# 32   5/23/2023 at 17:25 (310 days old) by kenwashesmonday (Carlstadt, NJ)        

For my 4 mile commute, an electic car just doesn't make financial sense.  My 2013 Kia Soul turns 10 years old this coming July, and only has 46,000 miles on it.  As I see it, the car is only half used up.  If it were an electric car it would be almost done at 10 years.


Post# 1181210 , Reply# 33   5/23/2023 at 19:57 (310 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Electric versus hybrid cars

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All electric cars will eventually predominate because of their reliability and economy.

Hybrid cars are only good if you get a plug-in one otherwise you’re still totally dependent on the whims of the price of gasoline

One of the ideal cars it was sold was the Chevy volt, you could drive at 80 miles or so locally and put gas in it and drive it across the country without a thought, I wish there were more cars that gave you the option of either with a reasonable range.

Hot weather is not hard on an electric car air conditioning draws very little power, likewise now that they’re using heat pumps to heat the interior in cold weather cold weather is not the deathknell of electric cars ,

My older brother in Minnesota has an electric VW. It works fine. It’s even warm inside.

John L.


Post# 1181211 , Reply# 34   5/23/2023 at 20:16 (310 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        
Hans

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Hans, you should story about the late 60’s full sized Oldsmobile (think it was either a 88 or 98) that got ridiculously good gas mileage with the experimental carburetor it had on it.

Post# 1181217 , Reply# 35   5/24/2023 at 05:32 (309 days old) by kenwashesmonday (Carlstadt, NJ)        
"electric car air conditioning draws very little power

as compared to what?


Post# 1181218 , Reply# 36   5/24/2023 at 06:29 (309 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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Hi Ken, Compared to driving the car.

 

In an electric car you could run the A/C for weeks before you come close to depleting the battery charge, the A/C systems used on electric cars are VERY efficient compared to the engine driven systems on regular cars.

 

John L.


Post# 1181221 , Reply# 37   5/24/2023 at 06:45 (309 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

In the Toyota BZ4X electric car the AC doubles as a heat pump in winter.

Post# 1181222 , Reply# 38   5/24/2023 at 09:47 (309 days old) by LowEfficiency (Iowa)        

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>> For my 4 mile commute, an electic car just doesn't make financial sense. My 2013 Kia Soul turns 10 years old
>> this coming July, and only has 46,000 miles on it. As I see it, the car is only half used up. If it were an electric
>> car it would be almost done at 10 years.

An electric car would actually be perfect for that scenario. Only four miles at a time is comparatively hard on a gasoline car, as it spends so little time warmed up at operating temperature - if it gets there at all (winter). And just from a comfort aspect, the instant heat of an electric car is wonderful in the winter.

Used prices on a 2013 Soul with ~50k miles seems to be in the $10-13K range, with most in the low 12s. So you could sell your Soul (haha) and move straight across to a used Nissan Leaf, BMW i3, etc... maybe even put some money back in your pocket depending on which car you got.


Post# 1181227 , Reply# 39   5/24/2023 at 14:03 (309 days old) by kenwashesmonday (Carlstadt, NJ)        

My Soul is the base model, it was only $16,500 brand new.  Current value at 10 years old with 46,000 miles is about $8,000

 

How much is a 10 year old Nissan Leaf with tired batteries worth?

 

I'll keep my Soul until it's used up.  I drove my 1965 Rambler American daily until it was 45 years old.


Post# 1181243 , Reply# 40   5/24/2023 at 17:16 (309 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        
I drove my 1965 Rambler American daily until it was 45 years

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Impressive!


Post# 1181248 , Reply# 41   5/24/2023 at 19:02 (309 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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I took more pictures of my electric ride—not sure if I plug it in and charge it if it really runs/really works, and I do have an outlet outside I wish I brought it to but I can’t drive it if I can’t fit in it…

What’s more, there’s a spoiler which boasts a couple lights that are the parking lights/front marker lights/turn signals, of which I can’t figure out how it goes on—I’m pretty certain it goes underneath the front of that car…



— Dave


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Post# 1181310 , Reply# 42   5/26/2023 at 08:47 (307 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA)        

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I think I've put this out here before, but what the common wisdom isn't dealing with well is the entirety of a 24h use case of the EV.

Let's say you start at 8 am unplugging at your house and hopping in. Your car is pre-heated or pre-cooled (while plugged in). Off you go on your commute. Frequently, you can plug in at work for a top-up. Off you go for lunch--again, pre-heated or pre-cooled. Unplug, and head back home (maybe with a stop at the supermarket). You plug back in at home (during a peak period) so your house actually draws down the battery a bit to cool the house/cook dinner (automatically)...the battery serves to smooth the neighborhood peaks, reducing the load on the local grid. Overnight, the car automatically charges during the offpeak hours (say, 1a-5p; but it's smart enough to start at 12:30 if you drove a lot or drew down the battery). And you wake up to a nice day again.

I'm not discounting the "eye in the sky" aspects of knowing your patterns (heck, we don't even have Nest thermostats at home), but there's some real value here.

I concur that some of my travel patterns when driving cross-country can be troublesome (a specific one is going from SE Michigan to my brother's in SE Kansas City. It's about 11.5 hrs with a fast-food lunch, fast food dinner and one refueling and is about at the edge of my tolerance for driving; the thought of extending it by 45 minutes to have an extra charge or two is daunting). Perhaps that's what the Hertz 1/2 mile away at the end of the street or the Avis 2 miles north of us is for.

Having retired from GM, they would survey us (employees) every so often to gauge tolerance for EV range. I (still) think I'd be cool with an EV that with a full battery could make it from Detroit to Chicago/Indianapolis/Cincinnati/Cleveland/Pittsburgh/Toronto/Traverse City after work (i.e. a 4 hour drive ...just hop in after work and go).


Post# 1181315 , Reply# 43   5/26/2023 at 12:13 (307 days old) by 48bencix (Sacramento CA)        
Tesla and Ford

Tesla and Ford have reached an agreement that allows Ford to use the Tesla Supercharger network. Ford will also adopt the Tesla charging port for new electric vehicles. Wonder why other makers did not adopt this port since Tesla was basically the first EV manufacturer, and built it's own charging network. This also allows Tesla to get more federal money for charging networks.

I did drive a Tesla at our local dealer. They make it so easy. I was only there to look at the cars. They said, "Do you want to drive one?" So I drove a Model 3, no one accompanied me, which surprised me. They do know where you are so it is hard to steal the car. They had it set up in one pedal driving mode where you do not have to use the brake pedal. Super easy to adapt to. I did not drive far enough to really enjoy it but it was nice. I tried to adjust the mirrors and ac system, easy enough with the on screen systems. No AM radio but stations are available via streaming. Of course no CD player as an option. Would I buy one? Probably if it was cheaper. I usually buy used and paid $21,000 for my last car. Most companies still do not discount the MSRP but some add on. So I will wait.


Post# 1181358 , Reply# 44   5/27/2023 at 12:44 (306 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        
re: My reply #41

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Wrong…! The detached spoiler was for underneath the REAR of the car, and those are backup lights, flanked by rear reflectors… So I figured out how the part goes on, and even brought the car over to an outside electrical outlet in my backyard to charge the entire thing…

 

What’s now notably missing is the front grill, which might have gotten lost if I didn’t noticeably see it when I brought the car home and luckily the charging cord was brought home after hearing what was rattling in the cockpit…

 

 

 

— Dave


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Post# 1181570 , Reply# 45   5/31/2023 at 04:20 (303 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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My diesel VW has an 800 mile range and is paid for so I'll drive it til it dies and can't be resurrected. Hopefully that will last until i retire. Then an ev would be fine for me to putter around in...but we will still keep an ICE vehicle for our New Orleans trips.

Post# 1182160 , Reply# 46   6/9/2023 at 17:02 (293 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
My stepson jus got

a Mutsang Mach E 4X select trim level. He ordered it in October. It's "BLUE". He is a Ford direct software engineer for vehicle apps. and systems.
Just under $58,000 with the A plan. It is all wheel drive, 2 motors, extended range.
Leather, heated seats, B&O premium sound, full power including door latches. Tinted glass roof.
He dorve it the first 140 miles city with the A/C on and still had 73% charge left.
It comes with both 120 and 250 volt cords. He works mainly from home, and doesn't drive a lot now. It's cool, and he likes it over his former Escape.
I think maybe a plug in hybrid would be optimal for those who drive a lot, at least until more sharging stations are around.


Post# 1182205 , Reply# 47   6/10/2023 at 05:22 (293 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        

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Tesla to have the electric charger standard format. TSLA will be the equiv. of OPEC.

GM admits to still trying to plan new petroleum engines and hydrogen stuff, which is a total joke. lol.






Post# 1182319 , Reply# 48   6/11/2023 at 18:27 (291 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        

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Yes, it's a game changer as TSLA has a vast charger network ALREADY in place.






Post# 1182420 , Reply# 49   6/12/2023 at 20:19 (290 days old) by Vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Yes Bradford and

Ford and Tesla chargers will be compatible as your post shows.


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