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Tear Down Video Series - GE vs. SQ vs. Maytag
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Post# 1180438   5/12/2023 at 15:25 (209 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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SQ just posted this today, I think more are going to come later.

Post# 1180439 , Reply# 1   5/12/2023 at 15:40 (209 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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All of that over a console? What about the rest of the machines?

Post# 1180448 , Reply# 2   5/12/2023 at 17:25 (209 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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I think they are going to post a series of videos over the course of weeks or months.



I applaud SQ for doing this. I'm hoping that some miracle will happen and people will start buying machines based on how they're are made, not how they look on the outside. 


Only thing that catches my eye besides the SQ is the capacitor and its mount on the GE, everything else is 🤮

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Post# 1180523 , Reply# 3   5/13/2023 at 15:43 (208 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
I saw the video.

I saw the video, and I'm curious about how Speed Queen stacks up to GE and Maytag in terms of their drive system and suspension.

Post# 1180566 , Reply# 4   5/14/2023 at 02:45 (208 days old) by GRNAppliance (Whakatane, New Zealand)        

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Being a Speed Queen video, there's likely a bit of bias toward the other 2 machines in there (Which, of course, helps their machine to look good). It would be better if this experiment were coming from a proper, honest-hearted, repair guy in my opinion. Still a cool video though!

Post# 1181325 , Reply# 5   5/26/2023 at 16:57 (195 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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New episode, this time the pump.

Post# 1181352 , Reply# 6   5/27/2023 at 10:55 (194 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
pump teardown

I saw the pump teardown, and it was very telling about the simplicity and quality they have. Next, I'd like to see the drive system, including the motor.

Post# 1181357 , Reply# 7   5/27/2023 at 12:41 (194 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        

all 3 of those pumps are craptastic-only decent "magnetic"pump I have experienced is the Italian made"plaset"brand one in my '98 Neptune,The Ascoll pump in my '01 HE3 is ok. That GE is very similar to a VMW :)

Post# 1181440 , Reply# 8   5/29/2023 at 04:40 (192 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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A real drain pump is driven by a 1/2 HP induction motor. cool

Post# 1181496 , Reply# 9   5/29/2023 at 21:34 (192 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
real drain pump

The Speed Queen top loaders have a real drain pump. I just don't like the early spray rinse and the low speed spin before the rinse and after wash.

Post# 1182509 , Reply# 10   6/13/2023 at 17:24 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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Next video, suspensions.

Post# 1182568 , Reply# 11   6/14/2023 at 10:13 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        

I would take the Speed Queen any day of the week, especially how sturdy they are.

Post# 1183634 , Reply# 12   6/28/2023 at 12:27 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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I'm really liking this series so far. If only GE and Maytag can have SQ make washers for them again.

Post# 1183652 , Reply# 13   6/28/2023 at 15:36 by qsd-dan (West)        

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If only GE and Maytag can have SQ make washers for them again.
If only Maytag would come back with the helical design with a pitman transmission.

Post# 1183655 , Reply# 14   6/28/2023 at 15:43 by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        

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If Maytag were still around, the Maytag in Newton Iowa that is, they’d probably have such a huge market share since their machines could easily be repaired and would easily last 20 to 30+ years. Even if Whirlpool beefed up their VMW machines along it’s the rest of the machines that are out there, they still couldn’t compete with the legendary Maytag helical machines. Only thing that probably would be different is they’d probably would use an inverter motor similar to the one Robert hot rodded back in 2019.

Post# 1183671 , Reply# 15   6/28/2023 at 19:15 by chetlaham (United States)        

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If everyone was like me, the Maytag Helical design would be found in 90% of all washers sold today. I hope that that one day in the future this becomes a reality.

Post# 1183679 , Reply# 16   6/28/2023 at 19:45 by qsd-dan (West)        

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A good portion of the public can get away with a front loader if used correctly. If one works at home/office job and their hobbies include gaming and watching TV, there's zero reason to own a top loading washer. 

Post# 1183682 , Reply# 17   6/28/2023 at 20:00 by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis)        

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A good portion of the public can get away with a front loader if used correctly.

I agree with this. It's what I plan to do once my direct drive Whirlpool top loader becomes unrepairable. There's not a top load washer on the market today, sans the Speed Queen TC5, that's worth much in cleaning performance or reliability. A front loader is the way to go if buying new.

Post# 1183687 , Reply# 18   6/28/2023 at 20:19 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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I wish GE was still making Filter-Flos' and these as well. I think this WBSE3120B1WW model is my all time favorite GE washing machine along with the matching DBXR463EB0WW dryer at my cousin's cabin.

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Post# 1183730 , Reply# 19   6/29/2023 at 09:06 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
GE filter-flo

It would be nice if GE brought back the filter-flo.

Post# 1183764 , Reply# 20   6/29/2023 at 16:14 by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)        

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The closest you are going to get, Jerome, to one in Shoppers Square NIB. As you can want them to bring it back, GE will never do it.

Post# 1183779 , Reply# 21   6/29/2023 at 20:58 by chetlaham (United States)        

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If everyone were like me the filter flo would still be in production somewhere. GE would also have faced multiple class action lawsuits, consumer fraud charges and a tribunal for their tax evasion, atrocious late 90s/2000s products and abusive customer service.


I wish the washer to the left in the video was a GE FF instead of what has become of modern day GE.

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Post# 1183800 , Reply# 22   6/30/2023 at 07:54 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
GE washers

The GE washers that came after the filter-flo shook during agitation. I expected it to do that during spin. I remember when I first got mine, it sounded awful when it agitated. It felt cheap. Granted, it did a good job cleaning.

Post# 1183803 , Reply# 23   6/30/2023 at 09:16 by chetlaham (United States)        

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The entire inner and outer tub shakes during agitation, sometimes causing the tub straps to break.


In spin I personally had the tub resonate to the point of banging against the cabinet. There are documented cases of these washer self destructing because of it. The suspension is to un-dampened and the basket accelerates way to fast. 


Cleaning is good on small loads, but on large loads the turn over was very poor. The clothes around the agi would get shredded while the rest would just jiggle as everything else shook around them.


Post FF washers should never have seen the light of day. I also feel they're way to over-rated by the appliance community in general.

Post# 1183822 , Reply# 24   6/30/2023 at 13:14 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
common sense

Common sense says they should've revamped the entire filter-flo laundry line. But no. GE engineers thought we were too stupid to notice. And don't even get me started about the gear oil smell and the leaks.

Post# 1185203 , Reply# 25   7/18/2023 at 17:42 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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They release these new videos every other Tuesday.

Post# 1185216 , Reply# 26   7/18/2023 at 20:43 by chetlaham (United States)        
Speed Queen Motor

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Opportunity ruined. frown


What the video doesn't mention is that the Speed Queen motor is isn't just 1 HP, but also a 3 phase high frequency inverter driven where as the two other motors are across the line permanent split capacitor motors. Absolute night and day difference in terms of motor protection, torque, noise, vibration, speed control, tub control, braking, sensing, efficiency, heat generation, longevity, and data feedback. The video is essentially botched failing to mention these very important advantageous facts. 



I feel videos like these are unfair to Speed Queen, they don't do justice to Speed Queen's quality failing to mention important technical details and countless ingenious engineering concepts built into Speed Queen.



Then again truth is much to profound. If all three machines were compared from a pertinent engineering, physics, design, mathematical and economic standpoint the Speed Queen would rack up so many points it would make the video look obscenely biased toward Speed Queen.



Hopefully the next videos will highlight how the tub seal, motor shaft and best top loading suspension ever built on the Speed Queen can out last the other two machines by 60 years.


Post# 1185419 , Reply# 27   7/21/2023 at 15:08 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        

What they also fail to mention is how much force it will take to "agitate" the tub even on heavy duty. That takes a lot of energy. So how is that saving energy?

Post# 1185424 , Reply# 28   7/21/2023 at 17:08 by Ultramatic (New York City)        
What a great series!

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I am so glad I switched to Speed Queen.


Oh yeah, Matt's a cutie. There I said it.

Post# 1185506 , Reply# 29   7/22/2023 at 09:00 by chetlaham (United States)        

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Needed to be said! smile Any guy or gal who likes clothes washers wins a place in in my heart.

Post# 1186511 , Reply# 30   8/1/2023 at 16:40 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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I believe this is the last video from the series.

Post# 1186519 , Reply# 31   8/1/2023 at 17:58 by John76 (USA)        

Love the simplicity and quality of the Speed Queen TR series.

Post# 1186520 , Reply# 32   8/1/2023 at 18:06 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
transmission teardown

Notice how Speed Queen uses a beefy bearing system and an extra heavy shaft. Everybody else uses a transmission.

Post# 1186540 , Reply# 33   8/1/2023 at 19:08 by qsd-dan (West)        

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It's kind of weird how they make a big deal out of a design that was the norm on most top load washers through at least the 90's. We've severely backslidden the last couple of decades. Yay for progress, right?

Post# 1186557 , Reply# 34   8/1/2023 at 21:45 by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Jerome, the Speed Queen model in the disassembly videos is a TR7.  As you know, the TR series doesn't have a transmission at all ... which of course is the reason you hate it.  :-)

Post# 1186575 , Reply# 35   8/2/2023 at 06:30 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
transmissions and wash action

Which obviously translates to poor wash action without a transmission. It's called the perfect wash system. Too gentle in my opinion. I have sturdy cottons.

Post# 1186583 , Reply# 36   8/2/2023 at 10:06 by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
I wonder how something

Like them Lavado redonda Machines agitate in comparison to something like the “perfect“ wash system plus I feel like perfect it can also be considered an arbitrary word As perfect to one person may be different compared to another

Post# 1188204 , Reply# 37   8/22/2023 at 17:16 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        
Not the last one

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