Thread Number: 93377
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Questions about a Waste-King dishwasher |
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Post# 1180524   5/13/2023 at 16:07 (341 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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Back during the age of lockdowns and border closures, I still managed to find some interesting vintage appliances... like this what I guess to be early 60s Waste King dishwasher. Long story short, it was found, shipped to a friend's place in Ohio, then I finally picked it up last fall. Today, I finally got around to inspecting and trying it. I move a LOT slower than I used to (arthritis sucks...) But the good news is the dishwasher started right up!! Timer advances, pump motor started up and runs surprisingly quietly and the fill and drain solenoids seem to still work! The lighted Waste king Universal badge is very cool! |
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Post# 1180525 , Reply# 1   5/13/2023 at 16:15 (341 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)   |   | |
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Post# 1180526 , Reply# 2   5/13/2023 at 16:15 (341 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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Does anyone have a service manual or parts list for this model?
Someone did some electrical jiggery-pokery at some point, disconnecting the heater unit and jumpering the wires that would have gone to the thermostat. My theory is that the machine was intended to run the main wash cycle for as long as it took to get the wash water to a specific temperature. The thermostat tested open, so I guess the dishwasher had an infinite wash with near-boiling water. But why the heater unit was disconnected is a mystery. My best guess is that someone was very energy-concious and wanted to air-dry at all times.
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Post# 1180537 , Reply# 3   5/13/2023 at 18:01 (341 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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The only delayed water heating was the final rinse on the normal cycle. Water didn't circulat while it was heating water. Pots/Pans stopped after the 1st post-wash rinse. I'm swooning at the sight of the lighted badge. Makes me think of my mom on Mother's day. My mom just manually advanced the timer on the final rinse to water circulation if she didn't want the full water heat to 165 degrees. Especiaally when washing her china.
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Post# 1180541 , Reply# 4   5/13/2023 at 18:13 (341 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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I believe this is probably a year newer model than ours was. Remember, this dishwasher was purchased while we were at the old house (sometime at late 1959 at the earliest) and brought it with us when we brought the new house (September 1961) and my dad installed the Tappan/O'Keefe & Merrit Dual Drench dishwasher from the new house at our old house). I vaguely remember what was most likely the Portable top loading Waste King at the dealer. Our lighted badge and timer dial had a 2-tone teal/turquoise theme. The timer dial had to be replaced as the plastic wore out from the dial being pulled out to start. The replacement dial was just like the above so it was a big contrast from the old theme.
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Post# 1180550 , Reply# 6   5/13/2023 at 20:09 (341 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 1180570 , Reply# 8   5/14/2023 at 07:21 (340 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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Post# 1180587 , Reply# 10   5/14/2023 at 11:45 (340 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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EuGene, the description you provided sounded just like Hotpoint's detergent dispenser. In 1958 they had their first spray arm dishwasher model and the owners manual describes the detergent dispenser in the door and its process/design during the prewassh and main wash.
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Post# 1180682 , Reply# 11   5/15/2023 at 13:09 (339 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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I found a copy of a users manual for this dishwasher (a scan from a fellow collector) and was hoping to find out a little more about the cycling operation of this machine. The question in my head was how the heater unit was powered with a jumpered connection to the thermostat.
I used a C9 light socket hooked up to the heater circuit and observed that the circuit was being cycled by the timer. During the wash period and during a pause in the 2nd rinse, I observed that power was feeding to the heater connections. There was a brief pause in the 2nd rinse where the heater circuit was 'on' - this is where I figure the thermostat took over and kept the timer paused until the desired water temperature had been reached.
During the dry phase of the cycle, I had read in the manual that the drying temperature was 'controlled'. What I observed was that the timer was cycling current on and off to the heater. And I had the crap scared out of me when the drain solenoid snapped open with a savage clunk.... LOL The pump kicked in a moment later, no doubt to drain out any accumulated drips from the drying operation à la Frigidaire Spin-Tube.
Just based on these observations, I would imagine that just reconnecting the heater will not be an issue... UNLESS there are timer contact problems but my logic is that if the light bulb worked, then the heater should also work.
I'm still curious about the thermostat and what the specs are for it. The user guide mentions heating water to 155 degrees which sounds like what the D&M/Kenmore machines in my stable do... I'll do some more digging and I will be testing the tank and pump for leaks soon.
Whee!!!
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Post# 1180684 , Reply# 12   5/15/2023 at 13:26 (339 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 1180692 , Reply# 13   5/15/2023 at 17:38 (339 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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Bob, I guess I have too much "GE History" where after the last rinse drain the pump stayed off. I got surprised by the 62 KDS54 when I thought I could disconnect and store the hoses after the last rinse drain. Nope.... LOL
The current daily driver at the "city" house is that 66 Frigidaire Custom Imperial and, like the 63 Whirlpool that was installed before, there's a pump-out at the very end of the dry cycle. I'm getting used to that now... LOL |
Post# 1180737 , Reply# 14   5/16/2023 at 08:46 (338 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 1180741 , Reply# 15   5/16/2023 at 09:35 (338 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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Today's test: reconnect the heater and see what happens... As I suspected, the heating unit came on during the main wash. It got hot and a bit smoky due to accumulated shmutz on the heater coil. Next up: water testing! It'll be a chance to flush out the dirt and dust from the tub.
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Post# 1181245 , Reply# 16   5/24/2023 at 18:36 (330 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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I completed several successful water tests this weekend, minus the thermostat. As expected, the heater was on during the main wash and there was a brief pause in the second rinse to boost the hot water temperature. I still have to remove and test that thermostat, but I couldn't resist taking apart the control panel to give a thorough cleaning. It made a huge difference! I also washed down the wood front panel with a wood soap, then buffed it up with some lemon oil. Again, huge difference. |
Post# 1181247 , Reply# 17   5/24/2023 at 18:59 (330 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Post# 1181249 , Reply# 18   5/24/2023 at 19:30 (330 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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Post# 1181251 , Reply# 19   5/24/2023 at 19:38 (330 days old) by pulltostart (Mobile, AL)   |   | |
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Post# 1181260 , Reply# 20   5/24/2023 at 20:59 (330 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)   |   | |
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Post# 1181272 , Reply# 21   5/24/2023 at 23:42 (330 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 1181274 , Reply# 22   5/25/2023 at 03:40 (330 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)   |   | |
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Post# 1181424 , Reply# 23   5/28/2023 at 18:08 (326 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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I extracted the high-limit thermostat from the Waste-King Universal dishwasher today. I am guessing it should be on until the desired temperature is reached and it will then click off; further assuming that the timer will stop running and pause the dishwasher until the final rinse water reaches 165 degrees (per the user book I have).
It's a Klixon, looks like their model 20400F. Waste-King's part number is 0070644. Naturally, the parts are not coming up anywhere... My thinking is that perhaps a KitchenAid high-limit thermostat may be a good substitute. Does that sound reasonable? Anyone know the KA or equivalent Whirlpool part number?? |
Post# 1182306 , Reply# 24   6/11/2023 at 16:16 (312 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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I had it stuck in my thick head that the thermostat was not good because it tested 'open'. Looking through service documentation for it and other dishwashers, it finally dawned on me that the thermostat here was meant to close when the desired temperature was reached. So I tested it with a pan of hot water and a VOM. Hot water made it click and current was flowing. I chose not to beat myself too badly for getting this wrong.
Today, I re-installed the thermostat and re-connected.
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Post# 1182309 , Reply# 25   6/11/2023 at 16:23 (312 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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I had to test it...
My source hot water was probably not all that hot - I was running house hot water tgrough the garden hose in Ogden. In the 2nd rinse, the dishwasher filled, the timer clicked one increment, then the dishwasher paused with just the heater running. It took 21 minutes but the thermostat clicked and the 2nd rinse continued. I didn't think to check the output water temp, but it was frickin' hot! The timer advanced to dry and shut off normally. So, I have a 'new' dishwasher to try out at some point soon!! If I didn't have the 66 turquoise Frigidaire Custom Imperial in the kitchen in St-Liboire, I'd have been seriously considering the Waste-King. It still may wind up there at some point...who knows... |
Post# 1182338 , Reply# 26   6/11/2023 at 20:23 (312 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Congratulations Paul. Don't beat yourself up please!!! Sometimes it takes a while for something to sink in. I look forward to the time when you will be using this in real lie situation. My predominant dishware was purchased at the firs Houston Major Dept. Store tht put a suburban stone in a brand new mall. As per the grand opening of the store, they featured a big sale on the dishes. And mom, the LK Combo house next door, and the house across the street (with the Westinghouse kitchen, the L110 washer, and gold sunburst timer frog eye Kenmore dryer all went for the grand opening and bought the same dishes. Since you've been working on this dishwasher, I cannot tell you how many times I am taken right back to October/November 1961 when these were acquired and were what was put in this dishwasher. Most prominantly were the cereal bowls in the two back angled corners.
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Post# 1182345 , Reply# 27   6/11/2023 at 21:23 (312 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)   |   | |
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Post# 1182384 , Reply# 28   6/12/2023 at 08:31 (311 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)   |   | |
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The bottom rack looks like the kind of racks used in Pull-out dishwashers. Why is the bottom rack hanging on the top rack runners?
Also, how are those wood panels secured to the door? I like that there's no visible metal trim, but usually that's necessary.
Could you post some close-up pics of those dispensers, they look unusual. I remember with my Aunt Sona's Waster King dishwasher which was of a similar vintage (but it was a BOL) the detergent dispenser was just a cup with no cover; I guess it was just for measuring. The control dial looked like yours; no buttons. Also, I remember that she had difficulty in closing the door; either it was very heavy or maybe one of the springs had broken and they didn't realize it. Aunt Sona had a hard life so a dishwasher that was hard to close was the least of her daily challenges. |
Post# 1182385 , Reply# 29   6/12/2023 at 08:56 (311 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 1182672 , Reply# 31   6/15/2023 at 13:01 (308 days old) by turquoisedude (.)   |   | |
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Ken, here's a picture of the detergent dispenser on the Waste King Universal dishwasher. There are 3 sections - an 'open' section below a dual divided and covered cup. The open section is shown in the first picture - this was intended for use during the pre-wash for heavy food soils. The dispenser is divided into 2 sections, each holding about 1 1/2 tablespoons of detergent per the user booklet (2nd picture). The cover of the closed cup will fully open in the main wash part of the cycle and dispense both doses of detergent. I'm guessing the double dose was intended for heavy soil or very hard water (which this machine seems to have been exposed to).
I didn't attempt to remove the wood panel from the main door, but I'd have to guess that it is attached to the door liner by the screws seen on the outer edges of the inner door. Fearing that I may loosen the wood, I left it alone! Although the lower panel has metal brackets that were notched into the wood to attach to the dishwasher frame. |