Thread Number: 93388
/ Tag: Ranges, Stoves, Ovens
Let's hope appliance makers aren't contemplating something like this. |
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Post# 1180613   5/14/2023 at 16:46 (345 days old) by JoeEkaitis (Rialto, California, USA)   |   | |
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"It's a brand new stove! Why do only two burners work?!"
"We only subscribed to two."
"And is that why the convection doesn't work in the oven?"
"Well, you said we probably wouldn't use it." CLICK HERE TO GO TO JoeEkaitis's LINK |
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Post# 1180615 , Reply# 1   5/14/2023 at 17:15 (345 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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Post# 1180625 , Reply# 2   5/14/2023 at 18:15 (345 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)   |   | |
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Seriously, paying to subscribe for a remote start or choosing air conditioning or windows that will open so you can do that in place of it, I hope isn't going to cause a lot of people to give up driving...
Ditto for appliances, if my ice maker stops or I forgot I can no longer use the detergent dispenser in my clothes washer or even my dishwasher because I'm behind in my payments for and they neglected to send me a shut-off notice...
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Post# 1180642 , Reply# 3   5/14/2023 at 19:42 (345 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 1180644 , Reply# 4   5/14/2023 at 19:52 (345 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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Post# 1180645 , Reply# 5   5/14/2023 at 20:38 (345 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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Post# 1180646 , Reply# 6   5/14/2023 at 20:48 (345 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 1180677 , Reply# 9   5/15/2023 at 11:49 (344 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 1180707 , Reply# 10   5/15/2023 at 21:19 (344 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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Why are they doing this? Do they think we're stupid? |
Post# 1180708 , Reply# 11   5/15/2023 at 21:22 (344 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)   |   | |
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Post# 1180750 , Reply# 12   5/16/2023 at 11:18 (343 days old) by 48bencix (Sacramento CA)   |   | |
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A one time fee for a feature is one thing. A monthly subscription is another. I would try to hack it. Also I hope that someone will sue and hopefully this will be found to be against some code or law. |
Post# 1181183 , Reply# 13   5/23/2023 at 10:27 (336 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)   |   | |
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don't need those BS features nor a new car., the five 1969 - 2011 cars we have now can last us the rest of our lives if necessary, so screw those greedy bastards. We've done just fine in almost 60 years of driving without it, it's those who just have to have all the latest tech that will suffer... oh well! The first principle of good engineering: keep it simple, stupid!
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Post# 1181185 , Reply# 14   5/23/2023 at 10:41 (336 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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The first principle of good engineering: keep it simple, stupid!
Most of the electronic crap on cars today is unnecessary and a lot of it is making drivers dependent upon technology and they are losing the skills needed to drive a car without a lot of this nonsense. For instance, I wonder if the owners of cars with the automatic parking feature can still park a car without this assistance? Just a lot of crap to break down and drive up the price of a new car. My 16 year old Honda Civic has all the technology and more than I need. Eddie |
Post# 1181202 , Reply# 15   5/23/2023 at 16:45 (336 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)   |   | |
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In the 80s/90s cars were sold with built-in garage door/gate openers also built in phones. There was no guarantee the signal sender would be compatible or that one would necessarily need it.
The phones you had to pay for, much like now, and much like satellite radio. So this isn't a new concept.
They are just trying to apply it to other features. I'm sure it's just them trying things out to see what will fly.
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Post# 1181304 , Reply# 17   5/26/2023 at 02:43 (334 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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There is! All you need is some wire, a crimper and some molex connectors.
Here is an example:
https://usermanual.wiki/Pdf/KenmoreWasherWiringDiagram3954487.654272181
In BOL Galaxy models there is no wire jumper from contact 10A to 10 (GY2-GY) and 2A and 2 (V2-V). As a result the permanent press feature is disabled leaving a blank on half the control.
Further, contacts 11 and 15 close at different periods in the wash cycle- however despite this in Galaxy models 11 and 15 are shorted together to produce warm wash cold rinse only decal. But in the next four models up (notice the 5 different pressure switch options for each successive model, when such an option is present on the control panel) contacts 11 and 15 are taken to their respective water valves allowing for hot a wash at 14 minutes, warm wash at 12 minutes and cold wash at 10 minutes into the normal cycle- as displayed on the dial for Normal and PP. Still in the next few models up 11 and 15 are again shorted, but taken to a separate user controlled temperature selector as seen in the wiring diagram.
Like this one timer can cover a dozen models and even price matching schemes.
For the next timer in line you might see the high/low/S.I.S contacts all shorted together and taken to a single high speed winding in the one speed models, two speed models the high taken to the high and the low/interim taken to a low winding, next model up into a speed selector switch, ect.
Same goes for soak/prewash/extra rinse/auto advance. Jumpers left out on the basic models, each successive model up gets a jumper enabling each progressive feature, next models up runs the rinse auto advance contact via an extra rinse switch, still next model up runs all 3 auto advance contacts into a user selector switch ie pre wash only, prewash and wash only, soak, wash, extra rinse, ect.
A half dozen timers can cover nearly 100 models this way. I've always found the practice unethical and cheating consumers. It goes to show you how dangerous an educated public can be.
Of course I've tried to explain this to Sears sales people buying a BOL with them looking at me like I'm mentally impaired or that I genuinely believe they're going to sell me a TOL Kenmore for the price of a Galaxy. As technical minded friends have said in amused agreement "they've NOOOOOO clue what you're talking about. Zero" |
Post# 1181305 , Reply# 18   5/26/2023 at 02:44 (334 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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