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Thread Number: 93777
/ Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
Commercial Laundry Abuse |
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| Post# 1184265 , Reply# 1 7/6/2023 at 08:42 by chetlaham (United States) | ||
 If am not mistaken all manufacturers do this, including Whirlpool and GE. At least they ought to, imbalances can happen even to the best of people. The machine should not explode in a manner which can cause severe injury or death to the user. At least this is what I would expect as a customer of any machine.
I think the same is also done with accelerated aging and parts stress except that Ge and Whirlpool has a much lower threshold.
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Post# 1184331 , Reply# 7 7/7/2023 at 11:59 by wayupnorth  (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine) |
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Post# 1184343 , Reply# 8 7/7/2023 at 14:10 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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complaining to management I would, otherwise it will just go on deaf ears. | ||
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Post# 1184497 , Reply# 9 7/9/2023 at 06:01 by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Over loading washers, poor sorting, etc.
Really does not hurt the machines much and might actually extend their life a good deal
The worst thing about overloading and not sorting as you may damage your clothing and obviously you’ll get poor results. Most washing machine and dryer problems come from just the number of times the machine is run, The water valve the timer the motor, the water pump the seals do not know how much laundry is in the machine, but all of these parts wear out the more they were used. Commercial washers is like a Speed Queen’s are so rugged you don’t ever see broken gears, etc. in a washing machine anymore split agitators, etc.. As my mother used to tell me when I was young and complained about things that were beyond my control she would simply tell me it’s not your problem. And the fact that people overload and do a poor job sorting does not affect your laundry outcome at all. John. | ||
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Post# 1184510 , Reply# 10 7/9/2023 at 09:03 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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I'm glad... I'm glad it doesn't, because I'm not the one overloading or just washing everything in cold all at once. I always separate accordingly. | ||
| Post# 1184578 , Reply# 12 7/9/2023 at 23:35 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
You know someone doesn't know how to do laundry properly when you're staying at their house and you use a "clean" towel the next day after the shower and it smells GROSS but you have no choice but to dry off with it... so you sort of pat yourself lightly with it trying to get as dry as possible without rubbing it all over yourself. UGH... I know that's happened to everyone at least once..Of course, you can't dare say anything...
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Post# 1184582 , Reply# 13 7/10/2023 at 00:43 by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula) |
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Well, we always have to think of the worst case scenario one could ever imagine. For each model that reach the market, regardless of brand, you can be sure at least 50 prototypes were pushed to the most absurd limits and we have to think the unthinkable scenario. And guess what, sometimes we fail because humans have an amazing ability to to s**t. | ||
| Post# 1184599 , Reply# 15 7/10/2023 at 08:57 by chetlaham (United States) | ||
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Stinky Towels I remember encountering this so often at other people's homes in the mid and late 2000s when FL were entering homes. Yuck! People would use the machine as directed and everything would come out gross with the waxy texture and scent of fabric softner masking it.
I don't think its always the user especially when everyone is telling them, including the detergent bottles 'wash in cold'. Fabric softner dispenser over-sized with most users assuming it had to be filled all the way with nothing telling them otherwise. Then there is the thing some US front loaders would mold when the door was left closed. Cycles also don't use enough water if you ask me.
I personally believe a large part of the problem comes from US front loaders not heating the water by default. All front loads should have a heater, hot fills are not enough to compensate in that the water between the water heater and spigot can become quiet cold especially in older homes. Even in my home the pipes between the water heater and washer are run perpendicular to the studs below the fiberglass batts with the basement left relatively unheated. By the time the water gets to be 140*F, a few gallons of cold water has already been purged out. A FL pressure switch would be satisfied by then. Selecting hot or warm may not make any difference.
US front-loaders, even today, are not designed around reality and are still significantly behind EU front loaders. I think instead of US manufacturers trying to create super high tech out of this world front loaders decades ahead of their time they should have instead tried copying 60's and 70's EU front load technology until the market was mature enough for something more advanced. That would mean timer/relay logic, no electronics, simple cycle selections, no spin after the main wash into the first rinse, 60Hz induction drive motors only, built in 1200 watt heater, 560 rpm spins, water use approaching a top loader, extensive air venting, ect. Base models without any dispensers.
This would have given both consumers and manufacturers a low cost, trouble free, durable, error proof system they could learn from until they were ready for modern HE front loaders.
At least thats what I was hoping when I saw the Neptune. I've told this story before but after I saw the tech sheets to the Maytag Neptune and Kenmore Frigidaires I was so disappointed I knew be default I'd never try them. And of the problems that would follow, to which they did. Even Speed Queen recently had a bad batch of control boards.
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Post# 1184603 , Reply# 16 7/10/2023 at 09:47 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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modern front loaders I have a feeling that the front loaders of today, both residential and commercial will run both hot and cold valves when you select hot on the normal cycle, or just leave at the default settings. | ||
| Post# 1184604 , Reply# 17 7/10/2023 at 10:24 by chetlaham (United States) | ||
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Post# 1184610 , Reply# 20 7/10/2023 at 11:13 by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Reply number 18
Hi Greg, as usual, you’re right on the money, if you guys can’t post, anything useful truthful or new why bother you’re not winning points for all these useless posts.
I wish Robert would re-design this whole website in a way to encourage people who actually have something to offer to be allowed to speak. There are far too many people on this site that have only a fleeting interest in appliances, or really none at all, and they just keep posting to see themselves post and they keep replying to their own posts, lol. I’ve never blocked anybody, but I’ve certainly come close with you too, and a few others but I can just skim over the nonsense. John. | ||
| Post# 1184615 , Reply# 21 7/10/2023 at 12:58 by chetlaham (United States) | ||
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Reply 18 Jerome can express an opinion, fact, experience or constructive criticism if he desires. It doesn't bother me in the slightest.
If anything this site is ripe with vintage machine bashing, but I don't let it get to me. However, what I find ironic is that when someone defends a vintage machine or top load washer said person is accused of being all sorts of horrible things.
There is something called diversity. Vintage machines are as relevant as much as modern ones- ditto for their pros and cons- on both sides.
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| Post# 1184616 , Reply# 22 7/10/2023 at 13:09 by chetlaham (United States) | ||
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@Jerome: I believe you. In fact I fully agree with you. Thus far you've said nothing wrong in my eyes.
Everyone is entitled to a washer with the design features that they feel is best and which suits them best. Thats the whole point of a free, open market.
Unfortunately speaking to the contrary just so happens to be deeply upsetting to some members of this forum.
There is nothing wrong with wishing that in 2023 I could walk into an appliance store and buy a brand new inbox GE filter flo, center dial Maytag or a 1970s AEG, Phillips, Hoover or Miele or front load. | ||
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Post# 1184619 , Reply# 23 7/10/2023 at 13:48 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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constructive criticisms I can express my criticisms constructively, bashing or not. It all comes down to research and firsthand experience. | ||
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Post# 1184620 , Reply# 24 7/10/2023 at 13:54 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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observations Based on my observations, the quality on most machines is just not there anymore. What more can I say? | ||
| Post# 1184622 , Reply# 25 7/10/2023 at 14:12 by chetlaham (United States) | ||
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Firsthand Experience To be clear I've owned a Speed Queen Washer and Maytag dryer for 10 years now. I average about one load a day. I have first hand experience using them, and I can thus opine about their results. no matter what anyone says I am not making any of this up.
Pictures can be found here:
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Post# 1184626 , Reply# 27 7/10/2023 at 15:36 by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis) |
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I had a long reply all ready to go then I thought better of it.
All I'll say is that the direction this thread took is a bit troubling to me. By nature this website is dedicated to appreciation for appliances. It's kind of a niche subject in the first place so isn't everyone here a bit quirky? I've said it elsewhere and I'll say it here. We all come from different backgrounds and not everyone expresses things the same way. I would think this forum would be a place where those differences can be more celebrated than they might be out there. The world can be pretty crule, so why perpetuate that here? Just my two cents, for what it's worth. Ryne | ||
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Post# 1184627 , Reply# 28 7/10/2023 at 16:01 by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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This post has been removed by the member who posted it. This post was last edited 07/10/2023 at 16:29 | ||
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Post# 1184644 , Reply# 31 7/10/2023 at 22:20 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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what gets me What gets me is that people think they know how to do laundry when they shove every single thing into a machine then force the lids or doors shut by slamming them. They put way too much detergent and softener, even bleach. SMH! | ||
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Post# 1184691 , Reply# 32 7/11/2023 at 15:16 by JoeEkaitis (Rialto, California, USA) |
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And despite the old sitcom . . .  | ||
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Post# 1184696 , Reply# 33 7/11/2023 at 17:32 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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wow! So much for "women know how to do laundry better than men". What have we come to? | ||
| Post# 1184700 , Reply# 34 7/11/2023 at 20:19 by WindRivers (Wind River Range, WY) | ||
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If a woman's place is in the kitchen, then the laundry must be a man's place. | ||
| Post# 1184709 , Reply# 35 7/11/2023 at 22:34 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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I must admit... I've learned a LOT from the internet over the years... IN the past, I was not as good at doing laundry as I am now...but I always sorted and never over stuffed...I don't EVER remember using cold water. Always at the very least warm...
but with all the information at our fingertips, you would think this wouldn't be an issue in 2023... but it seems like there are even more bad laundry habits than ever. Maybe people just think machines and detergent are so fantastic they don't even need to think about it? | ||
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Post# 1184710 , Reply# 36 7/11/2023 at 22:43 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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onto something I think you guys must be onto something. | ||
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Post# 1184728 , Reply# 38 7/12/2023 at 09:18 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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using and knowing how to do laundry I am pretty good at using washers and dryers and at doing laundry, but even I am reading the manuals at times. | ||
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Post# 1184737 , Reply# 39 7/12/2023 at 11:31 by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN) |
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I've gone to a local laundromat a number of times and my experiences is that I almost never see any machine loaded to much more than 1/2 its capacity. Note this is a laundromat that is smart enough to not mess with top loading machines. The majority are all hard mount Dexter's. I routinely see their largest front load machines running less than 1/2 a load and crazy folks paying $10 a cycle!
I've never paid attention to the wash temp, or to how they sort, but they sure don't know how to load a commercial front load washer! | ||
| Post# 1184765 , Reply# 41 7/12/2023 at 16:18 by qsd-dan (West) | ||
 The biggest issue I used to see was using WAY too much detergent. I saw one lady use 5 times more than I would use in a top loader. It was an older speed queen front loader the had a pre wash, main wash, 3 rinses with a spin in between each rinse. The last 3rd and final rinse was still billowing suds. YIKES! | ||
| Post# 1184773 , Reply# 42 7/12/2023 at 18:16 by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
Reply #41
Using that much detergent will result in itchy clothes not to mention they will smell like detergent as well. Some people want that ‘fresh’ smell if you will but using more detergent than you are supposed to won’t get you the results. Just use the correct amount of fabric softener or dryer sheets for that load and you won’t have any issues.
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Post# 1184774 , Reply# 43 7/12/2023 at 19:17 by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis) |
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We had Speed Queen top loaders in the dorms for the first couple years I attended college. I didn't notice many problems with the way other people used them other than the traditional college student over-stuffing and thinking cold water is the answer to all of life's problems, ya know the drill. But the machines were rarely broken, they didn't smell or anything, so whatever people wanna do.
I think it was my junior year when they renovated a lot of the dorms and at that time they got rid of the top load washers and put in front load Speed Queens. An email went out letting students know that starting that year they would need to bring high efficiency detergent and also provided some other tips on using the new machines. It was apparent that most students disregarded the message because it wasn't long before those washers started suffering breakdowns and they also stank to high heaven. I imagine it was mold city up in there, so I quit using the dorm's laundry facility and started taking my clothes to my then girlfriend's house to wash every two weeks. was a pain to do that but I couldn't get past the thought that those front load washers had become gross due to neglect. Ryne | ||
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Post# 1184808 , Reply# 45 7/13/2023 at 09:53 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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the mold smell The mold smell on top of overstuffing really would drive me insane. This is why I separate everything, even if it takes multiple dorm machines. So what if college students get mad? At least they're done properly. | ||
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Post# 1185037 , Reply# 47 7/16/2023 at 17:10 by luxflairguy (Wilmington NC) |
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Reply 27! Jerome! you've doe it again! Reply 27 is so sexist! SHUT THE FUVK UP! Reporting this and YOU to Robert! | ||
| Post# 1185042 , Reply# 48 7/16/2023 at 18:18 by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Reply #47 | ||
| Post# 1185129 , Reply# 51 7/17/2023 at 15:11 by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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You can’t block anyone on AW that I am aware of unless you click “hide members profile” or something.
It’s interesting how luxflairguy says Jerome is being sexist and so forth and taking offense to it, but the most offensive thing is how he basically told Jerome to shut the f-bomb up. In fact, lucflairguy snapped at me awhile back since I mentioned why I don’t have a membership on here since I like to devote that money towards that machines and such and got a response with him saying “pay up or shut up” Luxflairguy, if you want people to respect you, treat them the way you wanted to be treated. By snapping at people will just cause them to snap back at you. It’s interesting when Boomers such as you complain on how younger folks don’t respect anyone etc. but yet seem to be on a high horse and like to lecture people and have a attitude and when people my age say “Enough is enough, I am tired of this nonsense” then get pissed off since it’s the truth. That’s not an opinion or fact, it’s the TRUTH. Plus if people such as you claim to be wise and have wisdom, then why go about it this way? Not very wise to be combative, conniving, and condescending in my book. | ||
| Post# 1185138 , Reply# 52 7/17/2023 at 19:36 by chetlaham (United States) | ||
As both a casual observer and a participant I regret to say this has become the internet as a whole in the last 4 to 5 years. In varying degrees I'm seeing it in almost every chat forum, social media site and discussion feed. Claim to be some type of senior authority or of unmatched moral superiority, fling ad hominem personal attacks, illicit a defense response back, then report/ask mods user be banned on the basis being belligerent all while flashing a right minded demeanor.
How or why that is I have theories, I'll also let the experts figure it out, however I think the rest of us need to stand up to it in a way that keeps the internet open for everyone rather than letting a handful of angry individuals curate what everyone can read, see or post.
@Maytag85: Well said. Nothing more I can add other than stand up for others but at the same time don't get emotional. Being upset is their goal. Misapplied behaviorism is a form of copium for these folks. Ruin the person's credibility or character, then make them mad/upset/emotional enough times developing an aversion to the point they stop participating in the forum. Don't let them have their way.
Let me be the one to say you are real, you deserve to have a voice, and I genuinely like you. And of course there is your talent which I love | ||
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Post# 1185140 , Reply# 53 7/17/2023 at 19:52 by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis) |
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Reply #47 | ||
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Post# 1185145 , Reply# 54 7/17/2023 at 20:47 by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 1185169 , Reply# 55 7/18/2023 at 06:21 by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI) |
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 This thread has gone this this many responses, that's a lot of abused public laundromat equipment, but now how did this turn to automaticwasher.org member abuse?!
Seems as though whatever laundromat I'd been to--a current chain/franchise in my area known as Skylar Laundromat, which recently opened a new location in part of a former record store housing a couple pet care-oriented businesses, maybe I've gots to go to and try someday...
Anyway, people around where I live might evedentally treat laundry equipment here a lot better, I'd seldom encountered a machine, washer or dryer which would not work properly, work at all, or just be tagged out of order or out of service...
— Dave This post was last edited 07/18/2023 at 07:05 | ||
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Post# 1185425 , Reply# 56 7/21/2023 at 17:13 by lotsosudz (Sacramento, CA) |
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People Are Stupid
I think by now, we can all agree that the general public are stupid when it comes to laundry. It does no good to bitch and kvetch about it, as it won't change anything!
It doesn't help that the Government Is stupid and forces the appliance companies to comply with their stupidity. And most of all the general public can be led like sheep to slaughter. Hugs, David | ||
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