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Post# 1186597   8/2/2023 at 12:41 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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I've always hated watching the blooming wash action of TL HE washers with no agitator..Some models do seem a little better than others with their wash action.. but here's the thing I don't get:

I was watching this video on youtube and this lady had bought a $200 portable washer off Amazon (apparently that's a "thing" now for a lot of people because now I see videos over and over recommended to me about them now.) The wash action was so much better in this little thing and it only had a wash plate...I immediately wondered (if this little thing can give that kind of wash action with a wash plate, why can't the others? I remember having a portable kenmore with dual action agitator that you pushed up to the kitchen sink, (exactly like a portable dishwasher) and you started the cycle and it worked exactly like the old school kenmores and did it's thing.. then you could hang the clothes up to dry..

Well, with these, you have to do each step manually.. This is like 3 steps backwards from what I had YEARS ago.. I guess if you're desperate not to have to go to the laundromat I might do this.. but I'd much rather what I had in the past than this thing...I do remember thought it cost more $$ than a full sized TL washer cuz it was a specialty item... wonder if they make anything similar? I haven't bothered to look.

All I know is... after watching that video.. I'm so thankful to have a full sized FL washer and dryer

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Post# 1186600 , Reply# 1   8/2/2023 at 13:06 by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        

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Thats just like the twin tubs that Hoover and Maytag used to make, among other brands.  These newer machines may have a bit more advanced controls, but a twin tub is a twin tub.


When I was in my 20’s and renting apartments without WD hookups I owned a Whirlpool Convertible Automatic for about 3 years before it crapped out.  I replaced it with a Maytag A50 twin tub which I used for 5 years and I loved it!  True, there was more hands on work, but like a wringer washer you can get a weeks worth of laundry washed, rinsed and spun extremely damp dry in an hour.  A great time saver!  


If I were to once again find myself in a situation without WD hookups I’d certainly be happy to own and use one of these new twin tubs.  Better than going to a laundromat any day.



Post# 1186601 , Reply# 2   8/2/2023 at 13:15 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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Yea... I'll agree anything is better than going to the laundromat (at least for me)

I was able to find a pic of the washer I had...I remember when I sold it... It took less than a day to sell it, but I took a pretty decent loss.. but I needed to get rid of it. The wash action in this thing was exactly like my grandma's kenmore TL

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Post# 1186602 , Reply# 3   8/2/2023 at 13:24 by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        

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Mark that is like the Whirlpool Convertible Automatic that I used to own.  It could be either connected at the sink like in the photo, or if you had WD hookups it could be connected that way too, hence “convertible”.  It washed well, but the capacity was small and the weak point with the machine I owned was the clutch, which failed twice, the first time while under warranty, the second time not. Thats why I got rid of it, the repair was gonna be damn near what I paid for a brand new Maytag A50.


When I bought the Whirlpool Convertible I also bought the matching portable dryer that ran off of regular household current and didn’t require a 220 outlet.  I vented it out the kitchen window.



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Post# 1186609 , Reply# 4   8/2/2023 at 16:18 by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        

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I just watched the video.  This machine is nowhere near as convenient as my Maytag A50 was.  The A50 had a pump, there was no need to drain it into a bucket.  The drain hose fit into a slot at the back of the top of the washer so the wash water that was spun out from the first load could be reused for successive loads.


You only needed to agitate for a max of 5 mins to wash.  It held at least as much as the one in the video, or more.   I used to wash double bed size blankets, bedspreads and quilts in it with no problem.  And I don’t know why this woman doesn’t wash her towels in her machine, because my A50 washed towels with no problem, and I washed lots of towels because for a while I was doing hair at home and had lots of towels to wash.


When it was time to spin the clothes the spin tub held ALL of the load in the wash tub, there was a rubber disk with holes  in it that you pushed down firmly onto the clothes before closing the lid and pulling the lid lock that activated the spin motor.   The water drained back into the wash tub for the next load, or you could hook the drain hose into the sink and drain it there if the wash water wasn’t going to be reused, also when you were finished with the laundry you could drain the water into the sink easily, no monkeying around with a flippin’ bucket.


You washed whites first, then light colors, then colors, saving each washed and spun load in a basket.  Then drained the wash water, refilled the tub with clean rinse water and rinsed and spun each load in the same order as they had been washed.  It sounds like a lot of work, but really it went fast and 4 loads could be washed, rinsed and spun damp dry in 1 hr. or less.  The speed of the spinner was I believe 1600 rpms and the finished loads were barely damp and dried very quickly.


This new machine would certainly be helpful for an apartment dweller, but its not as user friendly as the old Maytag A50’s of the Hoover Port-A-Washers were.  Also the all plastic construction is very flimsy compared to the older twin tubs, but then nothing is built like it used to be is it.



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Post# 1186618 , Reply# 5   8/2/2023 at 17:54 by chetlaham (United States)        

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I really like the fully automatic wash versions of these. I wish they made more of them and in various sizes. I don't like the idea of manually filling than manually draining the machine. Set a timer and let it do all that. 

Post# 1186620 , Reply# 6   8/2/2023 at 18:21 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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I know... it's almost like these take the automatic OUT of washing clothes...but the uploader seems happy with it..

My biggest question is how this thing has better agitation than even the full sized HE TL washers that also have a wash plate.. I mean, this wash action looks crazy intense to me in comparison to what I've seen of HE TL washers doing their thing.

Post# 1186622 , Reply# 7   8/2/2023 at 18:35 by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        

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The agitation on my Maytag A50 was really impressive!  There were 2 smaller impellers on the back of the tub and they reversed direction about every 20-30 secs. Five mins of agitation got anything clean.  


The spinner was so fast that the power draw used to blow the fuses in an older duplex I lived in, so if I was doing the wash after dark I couldn’t have anything else going that drew much current or I’d have to climb up on a chair under the eves outside where the fuse box was inconveniently located to change the fuse.



Post# 1186624 , Reply# 8   8/2/2023 at 19:02 by chetlaham (United States)        

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Mark, this is what I have in mind:





I've searched the internet up and down, both new and old, and for reasons I can't explain I can not find any of these in existence. Ultimately I think its what consumers are actually looking for. Cheap, light, yet automatic.



These have the advantage that since they are impellar, its technically possible to couple the disk to the motor drive shaft eliminating the need for a belt and pulley. This saves money while increasing longevity.


Wash action is great with the large, high speed impeller. I noticed the wash motor on the Chinese versions is rated 330 watts while the spin motor is rated 110 watts. In other words 3 times the power is invested in  washing vs spinning- that tells you something right there! laughing



My dream would be a full size unit. 27 x 28 inches, machine tub stopping 6 inches above the floor to accommodate the motor and pump. Can you imagine the capacity of such a beast?

Post# 1186636 , Reply# 9   8/2/2023 at 21:46 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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that was some serious wash action..Imagine if the Cabrios or Bravo's with wash plates did that???

..but I wouldn't want anything with a separate spinner. It just sounds like all these extra steps...drain after wash...move over to the spinner........spin them, load them AGAIN, fill, rinse, spin AGAIN...

With all that said... if that's all I could have... I'd rather have it than not have it..

out of curiosity, I checked whirlpool and they do make portable washers..but as I suspected it's over $900.. but I couldn't figure out of they connected to the kitchen sink like a portable dishwasher... It sounded like it would...

Post# 1186651 , Reply# 10   8/2/2023 at 22:13 by bpetersxx (laf in on the banks of the Wabash River)        

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yes indeed here

as I have a Maytag A50 and a Danby TT

yes having a pump is essential

the TT Danby has a real agitator like my TL Danby I have

this video is after I rinsed the clothes out and am draining the tub out


Post# 1186658 , Reply# 11   8/2/2023 at 23:33 by seedub (South Texas Hill Country)        

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Mark, I am quite pleased with my Equator FL with portability kit. Fully automatic, it washes up to 13 lbs, spins up to 1200,dries, hooks up to the kitchen sink and rolls away into a standard size closet. So small that owners of campers, RVs and boats use them. The price is as much as a full size but was worth it to me - so much so that I will likely keep it when I relocate to a place with laundry hookups.



Post# 1186661 , Reply# 12   8/2/2023 at 23:57 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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IIRC member "AriLab" (WHET to him?) had one of those twin tub units (Panda?).

As with everything else unit was purchased because it suited a purpose. If one has few other options besides doing washing manually or going to laundromat one takes what is on offer and makes do.

"..but I wouldn't want anything with a separate spinner. It just sounds like all these extra steps...drain after wash...move over to the spinner........spin them, load them AGAIN, fill, rinse, spin AGAIN..."

These sort of twin tubs like other semi-automatic washers still have a large following in USA, Europe and elsewhere in world. One large reason is ability to reuse wash and or rinse water.

Easy, General Electric and many others marketed twin tub washers with separate spin drying tubs from about 1920's or so. Spin basket allowed doing away with dreaded (and by some hated) wringer, but still allowed savings of water, especially hot.

Yes TT washing is bit more work, but if one has everything planned correctly and is organized one can plow through quite a lot of washing comparatively quickly. This applies to using all sorts of semi-automatic washers and again with economical use of energy along with water.

Post# 1186662 , Reply# 13   8/3/2023 at 00:06 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Toshiba and other Asian manufacturers then and since have come up with some state of the art TTs.

Again TT or other semi-automatics aren't up everyone's street, but if one has a an itch that wants scratching.

Post# 1186670 , Reply# 14   8/3/2023 at 02:58 by Logixx (Germany)        
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If you increase the water level and impeller speed, and decrease the load size, you will probably get a similar wash action in a large machine. This is a 50 lbs. Samsung with only a few towels in there but a high (manually selected) water level. If you skip 50 min. into the video you can see clothes swirling around instead of blooming.


Post# 1186678 , Reply# 15   8/3/2023 at 05:06 by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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That swirling around is similar to the wash action in my LG Turbodrum.

Post# 1186680 , Reply# 16   8/3/2023 at 05:24 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Wash action in Samsung machine linked above is similar to my Haier and always use "high" water level.

Find things roll over far better and wash action is more through with "high" water. Forces created washer along with having good amount of water allow things to be dragged under if you will.

Have said in posts about my Haier was rather gobsmacked at how well it washes.

There are a number of videos on Haier HLP21N showing wash action. Here's one:

Issue in common with all impeller washers is tangling. Thus having a twin tub where one has to transfer things to spin extractor isn't bad as many would believe.

With Haier one has to stop washer either between rinses or before final spin often to untangle things. This is especially true of loads that contain shirts or any sort of trousers.

Post# 1186682 , Reply# 17   8/3/2023 at 06:18 by retro-man (- boston,ma)        

Had a Norge twin tub back in the late 70's that was used for a few years when living in an apartment with out hook up. Hung clothes out on the back porch and they dried in a couple of hours after the high spin speed. Great little machine. The impeller was on the bottom and had great turn over.

Post# 1186695 , Reply# 18   8/3/2023 at 10:32 by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        

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I can honestly say that when I had my Maytag A50 I can never recall a problem with items tangling.  I believe that the unique placement of the two impellers on the back of the wash tub with their intermittent reversing action is what prevented tangling in these wonderful little dynamos.  And as Laundress stated, transferring the washed items to the spinner was really not a problem, time consuming or difficult at all.


I can see though that machines with only one impeller could cause some tangling.  Regardless IMHO these machines really clean remarkably well, better that a lot of TL automatics that take much  longer to wash.



Post# 1186700 , Reply# 19   8/3/2023 at 12:28 by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        

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The machine in your first post is an entry level "starter" washer with spin tub.

For about $110 on ebay you can have it shipped to you and that includes shipping.

I tried this back in 2020 for a bit. Not having a pump is a sticking point, though they make some models with a pump.

I'm particular about wanting to do a wash (sometimess even a pre-wash), then a spin-out, then back to the wash tub for the rinse, then the final spin-out WITH spray rinse. I used a 2" hole saw and put a hole in the top lid so I could use the kitchen spray hose to do the spray rinse.

I used it on top of a counter where I could easily drop the hose into a sink to get drainage. Eventually I used it on the floor with a dishpan to catch the drain hose and a fountain pump in the dishpan to pump out the dishpan.

The spinner works great.

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Post# 1186703 , Reply# 20   8/3/2023 at 12:42 by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        

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If you're looking for compact, affordable, light weight, easy to move but certainly capable machines, try this pair.

The washer is a topload tumble washer. Washes just like my WP Duet. And you can wash a full size load in this.

Automatically it fills(cold water or single valve only. You can use an external mixing valve or hose), it goes through cycles, it washes, it dispenses fabric conditioner in the final wash, and it drains.
The only thing it doesn't do is spin out.

That's what the spinner is for. Again, I put a 2" hole in the lid so I can spray rinse with a separate spray hose.

When I use it I spin out after the long first wash, then put the clothes back in the washer to complete the cycle, then do a final spin out with no spray rinse.

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Post# 1186722 , Reply# 21   8/3/2023 at 14:12 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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I watched those TT videos...and also the Haier video... I would choose that Haier in a nano second...I think I'd rather deal with tangling than draining/spin/rinse/drain/spin.. Back when I had my Kenmore that basically did the same thing as the Haier, except it had a dual action agitator.. I'm trying to remember having any loads off balanced.. I think some loads would spin a little louder than others but I don't remember having to run to stop it or anything.. I guess if price is an issue you would get an entry TT for much cheaper...but I wonder if the people that buy these TT even know that there are better/easier portable machines? Also... I'm sure these wash plate portables hold more than my Kenmore did simply because of its agitator

Another thing that occurred to me... How much $ does a typical laundromat cost? Makes me wonder if that alone paid for my Duet in the last 18 years

Post# 1186723 , Reply# 22   8/3/2023 at 14:18 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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Oh crap... I forgot to comment on that looks even better than the Haier...I wonder if it works well? I can't believe the price on it as well

Post# 1186725 , Reply# 23   8/3/2023 at 14:25 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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Oh wait.. the Niagra doesn't spin?

Post# 1186737 , Reply# 24   8/3/2023 at 15:29 by chetlaham (United States)        

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Correct, no spin.


This drastically lessons the cost of the washer and makes it very light weight as no suspension, balance ring, counterweight, or high speed drive mech is required.


I've long advocated for more washers like this just to increase the number of automatic portables in apartments.

Post# 1186740 , Reply# 25   8/3/2023 at 15:46 by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        
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If the machine doesn’t spin then you’ll need to either have a separate spinner, hand crank wringer or wring the laundry out by hand.  This doesn’t sound like a convenient machine at all for an apartment dweller.  Nor is there anything automatic about a machine like this.  A twin tub would be way more practical.



Post# 1186765 , Reply# 26   8/3/2023 at 21:03 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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Not only that... but the mere fact that it doesn't spin means things may not get rinsed well... You really need to spin between wash/rinse... I mean, I guess if you have a spinner you can do the dance of washing, taking out, spinning yourself, returning to washer to rinse, then spin again. I'm exhausted just thinking about it.

Post# 1186768 , Reply# 27   8/3/2023 at 21:16 by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        

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Just like with "full-size" washers and dryers one needs to consider the capacity of various compact washer AND spin drier models as well. Just saying "compact" doesn't cut it.

The separate spin dryer shown above by Laundry alternative has a larger capacity than the spin tub in the $110 twin tub model

I've no doubt that the old hoover and maytag twin tubs had larger capacity wash tubs and perhaps spinner than the $110 model up above, as well.

Any Twin tub is not convenient because it's two appliances crammed together into one wide bodied appliance. If one part of the machine breaks you're still stuck lugging around the whole machine so you can use the part that still works.

Having the machines in separate cabinets makes them easier to store, easier to move, and easier to modify if need be.

The Niagara washer is BIG capacity. I have washed two bed sheets, two towels, two pillow cases, and other miscl whites all in one load. And that was not over loading it. I've even washed a bed comforter in it.

Lets put it this way, it washes so much that when you wash as much as I just pointed out, one has to divide the stuff in half and do two loads in the spinner.

Yet the Niagara is only about 18" wide and maybe 15" deep by about 30" tall (the height of a bathroom vanity). It's very easy to pick up and move if needed. When empty you can even lay it on it's side without damaging it.

The spin dryer is even more compact at only about 12" x 12" x 28" tall.


Those old Kenmore and Whirlpool compacts were fun to play with years ago. Of course they no longer make the metal compacts with a transmission like they did in the 60s-00s. I had several of those over the years.

The truth about them was they had the same motor, timer, switches, transmission, pump and valves that the full size models had, and were only a few inches smaller in each dimension and not much lighter. Yet one could only wash a fraction of what one could in the full size models.

Post# 1186769 , Reply# 28   8/3/2023 at 21:19 by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        

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"I mean, I guess if you have a spinner you can do the dance of washing, taking out, spinning yourself, returning to washer to rinse, then spin again. "

You would be doing this if you had a twin tub ANYWAY, but the capacity isn't there.

Twin tub you still need to wash, move to spin out, move back over to rinse, move over for final spin out.

Plus with the twin tub you have to manually fill, empty and rinse the wash tub.

With the niagara it fills itself and pumps out. It also has a cycle timer which the twin tub doesn't. The Niagara fills, does up to a 20 minute wash, drains and does THREE rinses after that all automatically.

I spin out after the wash, but one doesn't have to. Three rinses all done automatically takes out quite a bit of wash water.


Just curious, are you buying this for kids going off to college in a couple weeks?

Post# 1186772 , Reply# 29   8/3/2023 at 21:29 by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        

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The Haier one piece will probably do it all in one but I would be concerned about how well it cleans.

Just depends on what you're looking for.

Do you know the RPMs of spin tub in that?

Post# 1186774 , Reply# 30   8/3/2023 at 21:46 by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        

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btw- the cost of doing a standard double load in a FL commercial washer is about $4

There are like 4 different machines, each about twice the capacity of the previous

A 4 load washer is about $7
A 6 load washer is about $11
and a 9 load washer is about $15

Then there is the use of the dryer if you so choose. Seems like it's about $1.25 for 10 minutes.
If you're lucky you may find a 'mat that takes debit cards directly in the machine.

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Post# 1186784 , Reply# 31   8/4/2023 at 00:18 by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Member ThomasOrtega is a designer/engineer for The Laundry Alternative.  He has discussed that ability to spin entails engineering/design changes, safety requirements, and both manufacturing and shipping cost increases which pushes the product's price higher than target consumer market will accept.

Post# 1186788 , Reply# 32   8/4/2023 at 02:12 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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Ohhhhhh! So the Niagra is Thomas Ortega? I remember him... In fact, now that I think about it, I remember him posting about this a long time ago.

I guess if it does 3 rinses that would be ok... It would be interesting to see how the Ninja spinner thing works... I can't believe the RPM's are that high..

Post# 1186790 , Reply# 33   8/4/2023 at 02:47 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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I just found a video of someone who bought the Niagra and then the Ninja spinner...That thing sounds like it washes amazingly the time the 3rd rinse was done - the water was clear...then he used the ninja to spin the entire load...This looks so much better than the TT's...because the washing/rinsing is automatic...then you just spin everything.. Less steps.

It would be so cool to see what's actually going on inside while it's doing it's thing... but that's impossible.

Post# 1186793 , Reply# 34   8/4/2023 at 03:39 by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        

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If you have a WP Duet.... it's got a SS tub too. No sharp edges.

Put the clothes in from the top instead of the front.
Put detergent on the top of the drum(not too much),
put vinegar (or whatever you want to use for the rinse agent) in the dispenser on the left side, close the lid, turn the dial,

the water valve activates and adds about 2 1/4 gallons of water,
then it turns the tub several revolutions(I'd say about five), stops,
reverses several revolutions, stops,
reverses again...... (repeat for all wash and rinse phases)
this is how it washes so the clothes don't get tangled. Just like a front load washer should do.

When done washing the tub stops, the drain pump comes on and it stays on extra long so it gets water that's dripping out of the clothes.

Then it fills with rinse water,
starts tumbling (and repeating above)
It does this for about 3-4 minutes for all three rinses
then it drains as above.

The only difference on the final rinse is the water is diverted into the dispenser which dilutes the rinse agent and adds it to the tub. Just like it would in a fully automatic front loader.

I don't think I've ever had problems with tangles.
I've washed shoes in mine, I will often prewash sheets and whites. Sometime I will reset the timer to add more wash time. I've never had issues with buttons coming off or tears.


Now on the twin tub, it was kind of rough. There I started noticing tears in clothes and I lost a couple of buttons. There you have the laundry coming into direct contact with the wash plate that frankly has to spin quite rapidly. When I washed shoes I devised a rack to protect the shoes coming in contact with the impeller. I think the best way to use a wash plate washer is with some type of mesh screen over the blade to protect items ones washing but that's discussion for elsewhere.

Post# 1186794 , Reply# 35   8/4/2023 at 03:53 by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        
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So I put it right next to the washer so I can take clothing out and maneuver them over and into the tub without dripping on the floor.  

try and keep them loose as possible so they can move around.  don't just throw balled up clothes in there. 

Then push the mass down and make sure the top is level.  If you can feel empty spots in the top of the mass it will not spin correct so reorganize the clothes now.  


Close the lid and turn the dial.  I hold the top of the machine to get it started with one hand.  It has thick rubber feet so it can sway a bit.

If you've loaded it correctly the tub will slowly start but then quickly speed up and the water will come gushing out the bottom into your pan.  Once it's going you just let it spin a few minutes.  It is self balancing.


I usually step away and do something else.


Then turn the knob to turn off the motor and let it coast to a stop or near stop.  Then use the knob to activate the brake, open the lid and remove the clothes.  


It extracts so much water, it doesn't take much time for clothes to dry.

Post# 1186813 , Reply# 36   8/4/2023 at 12:03 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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"Not only that... but the mere fact that it doesn't spin means things may not get rinsed well... You really need to spin between wash/rinse... I mean, I guess if you have a spinner you can do the dance of washing, taking out, spinning yourself, returning to washer to rinse, then spin again. I'm exhausted just thinking about it."

No, not exactly....

Have said this before and am doing so again, washers back in day were just that far as industrial/commercial H-axis machines were concerned. That is they washed and rinsed only. Sopping wet laundry was then moved to an extractor for water removal.

Braun came out with first high volume washer/extractor in 1946 and it was off to races. By 1954 EDRO and others also followed introducing their own washer/extractors.

Even after washer/extractors became the norm for industrial laundries there was (and still is) considerable debate regarding extraction after wash or even rinses.

Some laundrymen feel extracting after main wash and or before a few rinses pulls dirty water through wash. Thus textiles being laundered will act as a filter for said dirty water.

Indeed even well into 1980's and bit beyond h-axis washers sold in Europe or elsewhere for domestic use did not spin after main wash, nor until after two or three rinses (Normal/Cottons/Linens cycle). My Miele W1070 does not spin until after third rinse and even then it's only a short pulse.

Rinsing is a process of dilution. Differences between extracting after main wash and between rinses versus not largely come down to water usage. By not forcing out soapy/dirty water after wash or between rinses you need more rinsing to dilute said soils/muck/detergent etc...

Older front loaders from Miele, Asko, Bosch, and rest of European washers often had four, five or more changes of rinse baths with nary a full or perhaps just a pulse spin after first few, then a good extraction spin before final rinse.

By not extracting water between wash and subsequent cycles laundry will absorb less water at each next fill because it is already saturated. Modern domestic front loaders now often spin after main wash and subsequent rinse cycles (in some cases violently), but they use less water at rinse fills. More so if machine is using jet spray recirculation systems to saturate and help move water through load.

You can see from these videos washers that don't spin after main wash and or between rinses are perfectly capable of delivering acceptable results. Long as washer isn't overloaded and or too much chemicals are used in wash.

Laundry Alternative's "Niagara" washer teamed with a spin drier is just a new take on something old. Instead of a twin tub with teamed washer and extractor you've got two separate appliances. Washer that doesn't extract replaces doing job by hand then having to haul wet laundry to a spin drier.

Post# 1186814 , Reply# 37   8/4/2023 at 12:09 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Came across a few NIB Niagara washers over past few years (fleaPay, CL...), but never pulled the trigger.

Having Maytag wringer plus two vintage German wash possers and assorted wash tubs or buckets there wasn't anything yet another semi-automatic washer would do that one couldn't do already. Have two spin dryers, two mangles/wringers and of course the spin side of Hoover twin tub.

If machine had extraction capability that would have been something, but then the AEG Lavamat toplader dropped into my lap and that was that.

Post# 1186815 , Reply# 38   8/4/2023 at 12:10 by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
With me having an H axis Machine where I have to move

Everything from the machine into a spin dryer/extractor when it’s done, I’ll admit I don’t mind it as I can see that the water is coming out clear with a gentle hint of fabric softener, and that’s even using American-style detergents that can have lots of suds, I just try to make sure that they’re not reaching 3/4 up the drum or coming out of the overflow pipe, just recently i used my nova wash with its “overflow rinse“ and after letting that run for 15 minutes(Three rinses from leaving the tap running continuously), there was not a trace of soap left on so continuous draining and filling can do a pretty good job of rinsing

Post# 1187044 , Reply# 39   8/7/2023 at 10:45 by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        
No spin

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A lot of European washers did not spin at all before final spin.
I remember the BOL Bosch washers for example, IIRC those were still on the market in the mid to late 1980`s and they were popular.
Rinsing was quite good according to our consumer magazine, but they were waterhogs just like any American TL of that time.

5 times almost half way up the door water levels plus some pendulum rinsing. A low wash water level made them very energy efficient compared to a TL though.

I think the reason behind was to keep the inner to outer drum space as small as possible thus again saving on energy but it also meant lots of suds locking if a washer spun between rinsing.
So in the end those that spun between rinses had to use almost as much water to get the desired rinse results like washers that did not spin at all.

You could also use a less powerful and thus less noisy drain pump if a washer did not spin between rinses. Lots of apartment dwellers have their washers in kitchens or bathrooms so noise has always been an issue too.
Some had a more expensive timer that made pulse spins before each intermediate spin to limit suds locking.
Water use wasn`t such an issue back then but energy has always been expensive here.
Then came those noisy DC brush motors along with electronic suds lock control and water use decreased dramatically.

Personally I never liked the concept of a washer that does not spin between rinses.
No matter what Stiftung Warentest said back in the days I always had a feeling that soap does not get out as good from things like heavy hems.

I also don`t get the statement why extraction after main wash would pull dirty water through wash.
The whole point of a washing machine is to pull water through clothes. Washer pull dirty water through the fibers during the main wash already, don`t they?

Post# 1187054 , Reply# 40   8/7/2023 at 14:29 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Yes, but when washing detergent or soap and other chemicals keep soil and muck in suspension so it doesn't settle on wash. When extracting all that is gone for most part.

In old days of using soap one lifted items out of wash into mangle or another tub of water. Manuals and other advice strongly warned against allowing water to drain through wash because laundry will act like a sieve.

One reason gave away my Whirlpool compact top loader was didn't like how wash was covered in lint. Like all top loaders washer simply stopped and then began static draining of water. That allowed mucky water to be strained through was on it's way out of tub. Spray rinses were supposed to cope with this, but didn't see that much improvement.

Ironically if one choses "Sensitive" on my AEG front loader it will do two deep rinses before spinning after main wash. Almost same as my older Miele. This as opposed to doing a spin right after main wash.

There was always over flow rinsing which sent muck up and over rim of tub instead of draining it through fabrics.

Post# 1187099 , Reply# 41   8/7/2023 at 21:09 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Milnor "RinSave" is their way of having extraction after wash bath to cut back on one or more rinse cycles.

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