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Unusual grime/Lindt left on my laundry after using brandt
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Post# 1187118   8/8/2023 at 09:30 by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        

Hey guys, so Iím not sure what it is it might be Lint or it might be dirt, What am I looking at? I did a mixed load consisting of one dressing gown one towel pants shirts underwear socks, and this is what seems to be showing up, and it was all over on the inside of the machines lead as well so Iím not sure if itís coming off the laundry all the machine as the machine looked fine beforehand, Should I re-wash should I chuck it in the dryer and see if it just comes off? After having a look at it closely I think itís just Lint so it should be okay in the dryer

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Post# 1187119 , Reply# 1   8/8/2023 at 09:37 by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
Hereís what the inside of the machine look like



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Post# 1187120 , Reply# 2   8/8/2023 at 10:38 by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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I donít know the english word for it, but itís a greasy substance that comes from accumulated dirt from your washing machine. Your machine needs a good cleaning. Often it is accumulated body oils sometimes mixed with insolvable silicates from detergent.

Post# 1187122 , Reply# 3   8/8/2023 at 10:52 by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
Yeah maybe I should probably use some

Washing machine cleaner, and Iím not sure if I should use the liquid-based ones or a different one, personally my preference is powder where possible

Post# 1187126 , Reply# 4   8/8/2023 at 12:11 by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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Adam, it should reasonably brush off the clothing without leaving an appreciable trace if it's lint.

Louis, scrud?


Post# 1187130 , Reply# 5   8/8/2023 at 12:33 by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Iím not sure Glenn, I saw an explanation that scrud is detergent residue. But thatís not it. This stuff contains bacteria.

Adam, try to do a boil wash with two dishwasher tabs. But you will have to clean parts too that donít grt in touch with the wash water.


Post# 1187139 , Reply# 6   8/8/2023 at 13:48 by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        
Fettlšuse

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is the English word Louis couldn`t say. LOL...just kidding...

Could come from a build up in the Brandt but they can happen in a clean washer too if a load is soiled with lots of body oils, oils from personal care products, ointments and so on along with too little detergent.



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Post# 1187140 , Reply# 7   8/8/2023 at 13:49 by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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Apparently they`re also the cause for broken spiders

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Post# 1187141 , Reply# 8   8/8/2023 at 14:08 by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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Biofilm?


Post# 1187143 , Reply# 9   8/8/2023 at 14:31 by donprohel (I live in Munich - Germany, but I am Italian)        
Replies #6 and #7

Both Wikipedia pages do not mention or reference any source, and hence they are both unacceptable and unreliable according to the norms of Wikipedia itself.

The google-translated version of the pages does not give a better impression


Post# 1187148 , Reply# 10   8/8/2023 at 15:20 by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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That was indeed the "English" word I was looking for. lol. I see you even found the Dutch equivalent.

Glenn, I really don't know the word for it.


Post# 1187149 , Reply# 11   8/8/2023 at 15:22 by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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That`s correct there`s no reference to any sources in the Wikipedia articles but this does not necessarily mean it`s all made up. Well, it might not be 100% accurate.

The German technical term of "Fatlice" (translated word by word) is well established by Henkel and Miele just to name a few.
What is new to me is the destructive impact on aluminum spiders which makes perfect sense to me. I`m not a biologist but I can very well imagine that the bacteria in a moist biofilm in a washer makes an acidic environment just like the plaque on teeth does. Aluminum is attacked by acids, isn`t? Don`t need any references to believe this.

On Fettlšuse in general I can gladly share more reputable sources than Wikipedia.

www.merkur.de/leben/wohne...

www.t-online.de/heim-garten/haus...


Post# 1187152 , Reply# 12   8/8/2023 at 17:29 by Brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Scrud would generally be a buildup of biofilm containing fabric softener fats and bacteria. Fisher and Paykel used to have a page on the explanation because the hot eco active rather than a hot deep fill could cause it to occur.

I second doing a hot wash with the detergent tablets at 90 and then cleaning the bits above the water line. Iíd use it only for towels until the buildup goes away.

Being in Australia itís highly likely that it was mainly used with cold only washes.


Post# 1187157 , Reply# 13   8/8/2023 at 17:57 by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
So it left a small amount of residue,

But I decided to immediately wash everything that went through that machine in hot water with my GE, and that apparently looks like it got rid of it all after giving everything a thorough look over that was washed in that machine, Iím gonna pick up some washing machine cleaner [my preferred brand ďDr. Beckmansď] as itíll allow me to do a very very hot wash on 90, I might decide to even take the outer shell off that way I can clean every fold of the Bellows Iíll try using that nifti brand Of cleaner as I found that to always do a really good job with most things

Post# 1187223 , Reply# 14   8/9/2023 at 19:25 by Rolls_rapide (.)        

I think the English term is 'grease balls'.

I've seen it in a Hoover twin-tub, where the dirt formed small floating spheres of greasy, dust-laden bubbles. There wasn't enough detergent in solution, the water was too cool, and the items were also too dusty in the first place.

I've also seen washing machine manufacturers refer to it in the user instructions.

Also, modern machines have in some cases, been hobbled by very low water levels - especially where they don't have a high water level option. Any dirt including grease, lint and so on, simply gets floated above the low water level's maximum mark. And stays there. My Panasonic front loader is like this. Lint is problematic. It doesn't have a tub cleaning programme.

Some machines might have a decently hot 'tub cleaning' programme. Others simply splash around at 40įC. Too cold and does nothing. My first Panasonic was like that.

Machines which do 'spin washing' should largely be self cleaning.

With my machine, I have to put it on the 90įC Cottons programme, with 'Dr Beckmann's Power Descaler' - which is malic acid crystals.

When temperature is reached, I switch off and restart again. The machine does the initial 'distribution speed' mixing procedure again - but now with the scalding water in the tub. I usually repeat this several times, then I add a few more litres of water via the dispenser drawer and let it get back up to 90įC.

The water level has a few 'sweet spots'... maximum agitation is when the water level is below the inner drum lip; water levels above that switch to reduced agitation. Raising the water level higher still usually activates the 'suds reduction sequence', or overfill detection drainage.

I managed a couple of times, to add a few extra litres whilst it was reheating back up to 90 degrees. Normally it would try to add cold water to cool down before draining. It reheated a bit then went into pumping scalding solution straight down the drain with no cooling.

To rinse the tub, I repeat the normal Cottons programme from the start with cold water, adding a few jugs of water and restarting several times, getting the machine to do the distribution churning each time, then I manually progress it to static drain.

The above carry-on works for me - just - but would completely piss off a hell of a lot of folk, who simply don't have time for farting about.


Post# 1187226 , Reply# 15   8/9/2023 at 20:54 by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
Oh OK, so I guess that means I didnít really

Use enough detergent, I guess and the reason as to why because at the time I was trying to make sure that I donít have suds spilling out the sides because the seal doesnít really work on that machine but apart from that nothing really ever comes out of it, I did run some Dr. BeckmanĎs washing machine cleaner but I havenít used that machine for Laundry yet but Iíll probably do a bit of laundry later tonight or tomorrow

Post# 1187227 , Reply# 16   8/9/2023 at 20:54 by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
Oh yeah the point of reference I actually did the wash at 60

Because I like to make sure that Iím getting washes that are either over 50į or something that is truly hot

Post# 1187230 , Reply# 17   8/9/2023 at 22:22 by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

Hi Adam

what does the residue feel like? Rub some of it between your fingers.

If it just feels greasy / slimy, then it is probably just buildup of body fats and general yuckiness. If you did a 60 degrees C wash in a machine that had done cold washes for years (by previous owner) then you may have loosened up some big deposits of nasty stuff. A few more hot washes should clean all that out.

But if the deposits feel like they are gritty and metallic, it could be the bearing mounts / axle supports on each side of the drum are breaking up. That is what happened on  my dead one. Also caused by cold water washing over years. They are cast aluminium.


Post# 1187243 , Reply# 18   8/10/2023 at 01:00 by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        
Oh GREAT!

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An engaging post about SCRUD.

We learn something new everyday.

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I was going to suggest that hard water deposits that can accumulate on the outside of the basket had come loose and implanted themselves on the clothes because there was not enough detergent to keep it from settling.



Post# 1187246 , Reply# 19   8/10/2023 at 03:33 by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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I think those dark spots on the lid of the washer in reply #1 rule out anything gritty like loosened hard water deposits, lint or zeolite residue.

While the hotter the better is true to get out greasy stains from clothes a hot wash can`t do much about to keep dissolved grease and oils in suspension if the detergent has been underdosed. There are limits to Sinner`s Circle.

Even if the detergent is just about enough to keep oils suspended during the wash a grease laden load might still result in the formation of grease balls during the rinses. Even more so if FS is used.
I`m always alarmed if I don`t see any suds in the rinses. The only exception would be if I used a zero suds detergent or natural soap to begin with which I don`t.

But most likely you`ve done everything right and there`s just a nasty build up in the washer from previous owner.


Post# 1187249 , Reply# 20   8/10/2023 at 05:05 by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
The thing is I actually havenít used this Machine

In quite a long time and they didnít really feel greasy, they felt slightly Linty and a little greasy , That was probably my fourth wash with it since I took it out of storage, and Iíve always done hot washes with it, Itís just something Iíve always done and Iíve had that machine since probably 2019 I think or 2018 Iím not actually sure

Post# 1187250 , Reply# 21   8/10/2023 at 05:07 by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
I did a load of towels in it that mom hung out,

She said that she didnít have any problems with it so Iíll actually do my laundry tomorrow on a 60į wash, I think it was a case of underdosing the detergent, at the moment now Iím just filling up the detergent stuff until the max lines are reached on the windows of the detergent holders

Post# 1187267 , Reply# 22   8/10/2023 at 12:06 by RP2813 (Sannazay)        

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And here I was thinking some chocolates ended up in the machine.


Post# 1187324 , Reply# 23   8/11/2023 at 06:10 by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
Oh dear God no,

I religiously check my pockets to make sure that thereís nothing left in them so I donít understand How chocolate wouldíve gotten in if I did find chocolate

Post# 1187325 , Reply# 24   8/11/2023 at 06:52 by donprohel (I live in Munich - Germany, but I am Italian)        
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I think that RP2813 / Ralph referred to the fact that the title of this topic reads "Lindt" instead of "lint"

Post# 1187331 , Reply# 25   8/11/2023 at 09:38 by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
Oh dear God, yeah that was auto correct

In collaboration and combination with Speech to text, from my understanding I thought his question meant that the grime left on my laundry was somehow chocolate

Post# 1187332 , Reply# 26   8/11/2023 at 09:43 by Adam-aussie-vac (Canberra ACT)        
And also to update the situation

It has finally been resolved, and I no longer have any sort of biofilm ending up on my laundry, although I probably did end up using too much detergent as I ended up running two extra rinses until the water came out clear and then I let it finish with the fabric softener so Iíll probably use a scoop that is about 1 1/2 inches wide by 1 inch wide for my detergent although I probably used too much detergent but I rinsed it all out,


On a related note I have two horizontal axis machines, one does spin the other one rinses a lot, or should I use the same amount of detergent for the main wash? Or should I change it varying on the amount of water that I use for the main wash?



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