Thread Number: 94121
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Post# 1188180   8/22/2023 at 12:05 (388 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)   |   | |
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I just saw this video from an enthusiast. Says we're expecting to get new models from SQ shortly but with bigger tubs. Also they're expanding with their new facility in Texas which I never heard of until now. And said some things that were misleading like the 10 year warranty, they're currently not offering that at this time. What do you think? Are we getting new models soon? To me, I'm not sure. I know with tighter restrictions we have currently and since this guy hasn't answered some of my questions, I find it hard to be true.
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Post# 1188188 , Reply# 1   8/22/2023 at 13:14 (388 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Post# 1188190 , Reply# 2   8/22/2023 at 14:20 (388 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)   |   | |
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For decades, the 3.2 cu ft tub would be considered very large and enough for even large families for a top loader. How many people actually have a king sized comforter? Then you can get a front loader which SQ makes.
Somehow, there must be a way to separate the tub and agitation in the TR models to make them wash better. It seems like SQ could quietly do that in upcoming models and that way its not admitting a mistake too much. |
Post# 1188192 , Reply# 3   8/22/2023 at 14:51 (388 days old) by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis)   |   | |
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Reply #2 hits it on the head regarding the capacity thing. I've never understood the need for those mammoth 5 cu. ft. and over top load washers. My 3.2 cu. ft. traditional top load washer handles very large loads on a regular basis and I can't imagine needing to wash bigger loads than this. On top of that, those huge top load washres especially the impeller versions won't wash effectively if they're filled much beyond halfway so capacity is actually more or less the same. I'm not sure any top load washer can wash a king-size comforter very well but if we're really honest with ourselves how many people actually own one, and of those who do, how often do you really need to wash it? If you really have the need for room to do giant loads or king-size comforters you should probably have a front loader, although even in that case I'm not sure anyone needs much more capacity than, say, an old Whirlpool direct drive will hold. I think people who can truthfully say they regularly wash 20 large bath towels at a time are the minority. So I guess what I'm saying is Speed Queen will likely find that increasing the capacity of their top load washers won't increase actual capacity very much, so the current models are probably just fine.
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Post# 1188193 , Reply# 4   8/22/2023 at 14:54 (388 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 1188194 , Reply# 5   8/22/2023 at 15:11 (388 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Not to sound like this, but they keep on making machines bigger and bigger since people seem to be too lazy and negligent these days to separate laundry by color and soil level. By the time you separate everything, it’s not a very large load. The people who keep on demanding these machine then start complaining why their white socks and shirts are coming out dingy, gee I wonder why. When you wash very dirty clothes with clothes that are lightly soiled, they aren’t going to get properly cleaned since the filth if you will is just moved to different clothes and everything won’t be cleaned to it’s fullest potential.
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Post# 1188196 , Reply# 6   8/22/2023 at 15:33 (388 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 1188205 , Reply# 8   8/22/2023 at 17:20 (388 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Capacity is the #1 consumer driver since the inception of automatic washers.
And behind the death of all good, long lasting washers.
The dual action agitator is what made Whirlpool so popular, the super capacity was what got model Ts into so many homes, larger capacity tubs are what put Maytag out of business, the relatively small tub ended the Frigidaire Unimatic, giant loads are what made FLs a common buy.
Every time I've been on the sales floor of an appliance store I've overheard people make their final decision based on capacity.
Little do people know that you can only put in so large a wash tub before you sacrifice every other component of the machine and its ability to actually clean.
If what the vid is saying is true Speed Queen is trying to compete with Whirlpool, GE, LG, ect which I can see ending the way it did for Maytag. Large capacity washers but with many downfalls because people are to vapid to realize nothing good comes out of reinventing the wheel.
If everyone was like me the Maytag DC would dominate and everyone would agree all the extra capacity is just not worth it.
I sort clothes, and I wash in divided loads. I can fit a comforter in my Queen and it washes well. I have never had a need for a larger wash tub. |
Post# 1188212 , Reply# 9   8/22/2023 at 17:49 (388 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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@Neptunebob-
Jerome has worded it better than I can. But I think it boils down to the fact people hate doing laundry and let everything pile up until there aren't any clean clothes, towels and bed sheets available. They then stuff everything into one load, dry everything in one load, then repeat the cycle.
If it all fits, and it all appears reasonably clean, then the average consumer doesn't see anything wrong to get bothered by.
Me- I sort loads into bed sheets, delicates, undergarments, comforters, rags, jeans/shirts/socks, hang dry, ect.
Each load gets its own cycle and temperature.
Bed sheets go on warm (colored) or hot (allergy, white sheets). Washed in the Permanent press cycle because of the first spin being slow.
Rags, very dirty towels, soiled underwear, and socks are washed in hot. Heavy time, regular cycle, two or three Tide pods.
Jeans in warm wash, regular cycle.
Shirts, average towels, pants, ect warm wash regular cycle.
Undergarments, dresses, panties, cold or cold topped with warm, delicate cycle, Woolite detergent.
Nightgowns, casuals, ect warm wash delicate cycle.
Comforters washed in hot water, delicate cycle then set to one final spin on the regular cycle before being put into the dryer.
Soak cycle as a prewash for heavily soiled items, will pause the timer if extra soak time is needed.
Water level set to match the load size.
Extra rinse if needed. Softener added to the final rinse if desired.
One Tide pod works 90% of the time, two or three if the load is soiled enough.
It works. No larger tub necessary.
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Post# 1188224 , Reply# 10   8/22/2023 at 19:26 (388 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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There was only about 45 seconds worth of information there, I would conclude by saying the guy doesn’t know s..t.
It’s really sad how little people in the Appliance industry know, the TR and the TC tub is the same for example, and if you want a big Speed Queen today, it’s called the frontload Speed Queen it will do a larger load then the Toploader, and even the new Toploader that they may bring out now and you don’t have to wait for it. This guy has a lot of phobias and weird information, I would not plan on ever watching one of his videos again. John. |
Post# 1188243 , Reply# 11   8/22/2023 at 21:59 (388 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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What will this new Speed Queen Texas Edition look like in action? What's the model# of this machine? How will it sound? How well will it wash? I'd like to know. |
Post# 1188397 , Reply# 15   8/24/2023 at 13:03 (386 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Miele's previous attempt at uber-sized American style washers was model 48xx which was by most accounts a disaster. Indeed Bosch also tried their hands about same time with NEXXT large washer and they too had issues. Both Miele and Bosch withdrew their large machines subsequently and haven't bothered since.
Largest size Miele washers sold in USA hold about 20lbs of wash. This is about same rated capacity as smallest offerings from commercial/laundromat machines such as SQ, Dexter, and so on. Miele does have their "professional" range of washers and dryers available in some countries, but that's a whole other kettle of fish. www.mieleusa.com/e/profes... What sets "Little Giant" line of professional washers and dryers separate from their domestic cousins among other bits is duty cycles and cycle times. |
Post# 1188415 , Reply# 16   8/24/2023 at 16:49 (386 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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Will the new Speed Queen Laundry line have glass lid tops? What motor will they use? How will they be able to handle king-sized loads? Will it have a washplate or impeller or stick with their agitator? |
Post# 1188418 , Reply# 17   8/24/2023 at 17:22 (386 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 1188422 , Reply# 18   8/24/2023 at 17:47 (386 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Not wishing to stir old pools, but what exactly do Americans have laundry wise that they insist on huge H-axis washing machines.
As stated smallest commercial/OPL/laundromat washers start at range of 18-24lbs, that is buckets of capacity for most normal household use. In Europe and elsewhere most households long have sent big or bulky things out to laundries or use larger washers at laundromats. IMHO this seems a far more practical solution than frequently turning to domestic washing machines that may or may not be able to cope with being pushed into such routine service. About 11kg is top range for front loaders in Europe, which again seems like buckets of capacity for normal purposes. www.currys.co.uk/techtalk... |
Post# 1188427 , Reply# 19   8/24/2023 at 18:54 (386 days old) by Logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 1188467 , Reply# 22   8/25/2023 at 06:13 (385 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Yeah, my Duet does have hot/cold inlets but I kinda still wished it would draw 3kW for heating. And as Henrik mentioned, there was/is no hot-water outlet in any of the places I installed my washer (except for one).
That reminds me of the American Bosch Nexxt washer that made it over here. Bosch did adapt the cycle to the European market--- but took away the hot fill and left the small American heater in there! 3+ cubic foot drum full of coldd, wet clothes and only 1,000 watts to heat. I should dig up the manual and see how long the 194F wash took. |
Post# 1188491 , Reply# 24   8/25/2023 at 14:32 (385 days old) by Brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)   |   | |
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The Aussie Neptune was the same. From memory the element was 1100 watts, if you let it cold fill, it would run for 3 hours to heat to 60. My duet is cold fill only, but it has a 2200 watt element. It takes around 2 hours for a cottons 60 with two rinses. |
Post# 1188497 , Reply# 25   8/25/2023 at 16:08 (385 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 1188502 , Reply# 26   8/25/2023 at 16:59 (385 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Like Miele Bosch made a huge deal about introducing their NEXXT washer and dryer line. Things looked good on paper and both sets appealed to those wanting European front loaders with promised American uber sized capacity.
Where Bosch did have it over Miele was they built their large washers in USA. Miele OTOH imported those huge 48XX washers and matching dryers from Europe. That of course made them very expensive. Ironically W1 line of washers (IIRC) has same or greater capacity than Miele's 48xx machines. IIRC owners manual for 48xx washers stated they should only be loaded to about half or three quarter drum capacity for "normal" cotton/linens. What was point then of having such a huge washer if one couldn't use drum to fullest? Miele's other washer introduced at same time, the 3XXX series actually had greater capacity than 48XX. This especially because one could load the thing like Miele washers of old. |
Post# 1188504 , Reply# 27   8/25/2023 at 17:04 (385 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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One keeps rabbiting on about capacity because at least for normal/cottons/linens h-axis washers are happiest when loaded to full rated capacity. There are far less issues with spinning, OOB, etc... when washer is fully loaded.
Modern front loaders with fully computer controlled motors and drum rhythms are some what better at coping with OOB, but at what cost. Some machines will faff about for what seems like ages in aid of attempting to distribute load so can spin. Many times machines won't spin or will do so at reduced rpm because it just couldn't cope. On another note owner of Samsung machine above states clearly despite having a washer with uber sized capacity he's still doing multiple loads. That's because after sorting there often isn't 18kg of whatever to be washed. |
Post# 1188507 , Reply# 28   8/25/2023 at 17:36 (385 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)   |   | |
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I remember when I was a kid we had a 380V 3 phase outlet in the basement for the washer which was state of the art in the 60s but unfortunately didn`t persist for long.
Many washers back then had a weaker and a stronger 220V element to either connect the strong one into a 10A lightning circuit or both paralleled into a 16A 220V circuit or in series to 380V for seriously fast heating. Apparently people didn`t like the extra cost of having their washer wired, so they disappeared in the 70s. Then we still could choose between 10 and 16A models as a 220V plug and play solution with 16A models definitely dominating the market. Then the Berlin Wall fell in 89 and soon after Germany was reunited all washers and dishwashers were limited to 10A. The wiring in the former GDR was terribly bad and water volumes were already low enough to get decently fast heating with lower wattage. Now capacity has been getting larger and larger and I wonder why the engineers missed to go back to at least tried and proven 3000 Watts 16A elements. Cycle times are getting so ridiculously long. Apologies to OP for getting so off topic! |
Post# 1188508 , Reply# 29   8/25/2023 at 17:48 (385 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 1188510 , Reply# 30   8/25/2023 at 18:03 (385 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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380v three phase is interesting. Apparently was quite common in Germany (West only?) for use of appliances such as cooker, hot water heaters, washing machines.
www.electrical-contractor... www.plugsocketmuseum.nl/Obsolete... diy.stackexchange.com/questions/... |
Post# 1188533 , Reply# 31   8/26/2023 at 02:05 (385 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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Let's get back to the subject. And now back to the regularly schedule program of Speed Queen 2024. |
Post# 1188557 , Reply# 32   8/26/2023 at 12:59 (384 days old) by John76 (USA)   |   | |
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I much prefer smaller loads with similar laundry items. My machine is so quiet it no longer disrupts the main floor of the house with noise. I now wash anytime necessary. I have no need for anything larger than my TR5. |
Post# 1188558 , Reply# 33   8/26/2023 at 13:08 (384 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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My washloads vary in size, yet the loads are always presorted by color. I have pretty much nothing but sturdy cottons, so the cycle change is unnecessary. Everything goes on normal with heavy soil for a real deep rinse. |
Post# 1188618 , Reply# 34   8/27/2023 at 07:55 (383 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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Post# 1188641 , Reply# 35   8/27/2023 at 13:52 (383 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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Good question, I'd like to know what the 2024 Speed Queen Laundry Line looks like. |
Post# 1188672 , Reply# 36   8/27/2023 at 20:04 (383 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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Remember when SQ released the new TR7 a few years ago and we were all in shock at how awful the circulation was? It wasn't so bad with regular clothes but it was anything bulky or stiff that you ran into problems.. It's like there wasn't enough circulation to move the stiffer or bulkier items.. Didn't they do a revision on this to make it slightly better? I haven't kept up much..
but the biggest question I have is this: Don't they do testing before releasing it? Wouldn't they test wash all kinds of fabrics and actually SEE the circulation for themselves?? Wouldn't they have seen (during testing) that there might be a problem? |
Post# 1188803 , Reply# 37   8/29/2023 at 09:48 (381 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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How will this supposedly bigger Speed Queen Line handle extra heavy loads? What about very dirty blue jeans? What will the future hold for them? Are we gonna see slanted tops like some Maytags? |
Post# 1188865 , Reply# 38   8/30/2023 at 05:38 (380 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 1188866 , Reply# 39   8/30/2023 at 07:41 (380 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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What will the wash action look like on these new Speed Queen Laundry machines for next year? What are the chances we will see a wash plate or dual action with short/fast strokes? |
Post# 1190258 , Reply# 41   9/19/2023 at 01:31 (361 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)   |   | |
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Post# 1190270 , Reply# 42   9/19/2023 at 11:48 (360 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)   |   | |
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From my understanding, they appear to be the same thing as the white models but more expensive.
speedqueen.com/products/all-prod... |
Post# 1190282 , Reply# 43   9/19/2023 at 15:52 (360 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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So it appears that the only thing they're changing is the color. Correct? |
Post# 1190285 , Reply# 44   9/19/2023 at 16:56 (360 days old) by blueste (USA)   |   | |
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Yep, looks like just an additional color. No functional changes, at this time. |
Post# 1190301 , Reply# 45   9/19/2023 at 20:14 (360 days old) by blueste (USA)   |   | |
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Post# 1190310 , Reply# 46   9/20/2023 at 04:56 (359 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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I have a feeling Speed Queen is trying to go into serious competition with the residential market. Depending how they play it out this could be really really good or go really really bad IMO.
If they offer good products with features that consumers look for but are also durable/long lasting this would finally force Whirlpool to improve their durability. The laundry market as a whole will finally improve for the better in at least 40 years.
On the other hand if their new design does not meet market expectations Speed Queen will end up with a huge loss.
Though, my biggest fear is an extensive laundry offering that makes it into big box stores but is not any better longevity or durability wise than its competitors. The last thing the market needs is another name attached to a chintzy machine designed to break after 5-10 years. |
Post# 1190505 , Reply# 49   9/23/2023 at 12:23 (356 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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I didn't know there was a tl3. I thought it was the tr3. |
Post# 1190507 , Reply# 50   9/23/2023 at 13:06 (356 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 1190511 , Reply# 51   9/23/2023 at 15:31 (356 days old) by blueste (USA)   |   | |
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TL3- Rent to own? Interesting |
Post# 1190623 , Reply# 53   9/25/2023 at 12:01 (354 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)   |   | |
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Post# 1190636 , Reply# 54   9/25/2023 at 15:56 (354 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 1190638 , Reply# 55   9/25/2023 at 16:52 (354 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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I too wish there was a tc7. Maybe the tc7 will have to go to that short/fast agitation and neutral drain transmission system like Whirlpool did. |
Post# 1190647 , Reply# 56   9/25/2023 at 19:36 (354 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)   |   | |
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