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Thread Number: 94650
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Persil Powder gets a rave review |
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Post# 1192998 11/3/2023 at 21:19 (399 days old) by MattL  (Flushing, MI) |
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Post# 1193001 , Reply# 1 11/3/2023 at 23:05 (399 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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There are no two ways about it; it is an excellent laundry detergent. I am grateful to the AW club members who enlightened us about it almost a decade ago. | ||
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Post# 1193010 , Reply# 2 11/4/2023 at 10:48 (398 days old) by luxflairguy (Wilmington NC) |
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I've always loved Persil but... Now that I use a shared laundry room with Maytag front loaders that get lots of abuse(!) I have been using Tide w/ bleach with good results. If I switched back to Persil which formulation would be equvilelent to Tide and how much should I use per load! Thanks! Greg | ||
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Post# 1193014 , Reply# 3 11/4/2023 at 11:05 (398 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Persil powder or megaperls only have two formulas; one for whites/colourfast (Universal) and other for colours.
Dosage on packets of Persil from Germany are for water conditions found locally. Most (but not all) water in parts of Europe is far harder than good part of USA. Thus one can usually get away with smallest dose recommended on packet. Above advice will of course vary by local water hardness conditions, soil and stain level. Also by capacity of washing machine with larger 181b-20lb loads will require more detergent than 11 lb. Personally find Persil powders or megaperls rinse easier and faster than TWB. Indeed across line find any laundry detergent made by P&G sold world over tends to have froth and clean rinsing issues unless one is careful with dosage. www.testberichte.de/spuel... www.atticmag.com/2013/10/miele-f... | ||
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Post# 1193022 , Reply# 5 11/4/2023 at 11:54 (398 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Haven't used Tide "Turbo" HE or otherwise.
Currently besides several boxes of vintage "ultra" Tide one has a stash of Tide "Pro Line" powder. None have been opened as am working through box of Miele Ultra White powder. Tide Free and Gentle liquid and Cold Water Free (also liquid) will have issues with froth and rinsing if one isn't careful about dosing. Ariel "Excel" gel (in lovely Alpine Fresh) from Europe is same. | ||
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Post# 1193028 , Reply# 6 11/4/2023 at 13:51 (398 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) |
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I use the versions of Persil that is mentioned in the article. Both powder versions are excellent and low sudsing and they rinse clean. The scent is not overpowering and the laundry smells clean. The scent does not linger like some detergents so for me that’s a plus.
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Post# 1193074 , Reply# 7 11/5/2023 at 13:19 (397 days old) by Dermacie (my forever home (Glenshaw, PA)) |
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Post# 1193075 , Reply# 8 11/5/2023 at 13:46 (397 days old) by Novum (Ireland) |
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Not sure I've ever used Henkel Persil. The version here is Unilever which is still a nice product, but not the same formula. I've used Le Chat in France and found it good though. | ||
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Post# 1194743 , Reply# 9 12/4/2023 at 22:32 (368 days old) by Labboy (SD, CA) |
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Miele UltraWhite vs. Persil  | ||
| Post# 1194759 , Reply# 10 12/5/2023 at 10:18 (367 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington) | ||
I use Miele Ultra White and Persil Universal Megaperls (colors also).
Miele Ultra White is excellent in cleaning and has very low-no suds. I use Miele a lot for washing towels in a high temperature wash, and Persil Universal megaperls on whites with high temperature wash also. Persil Universal megaperls has little more suds, not excessive. Either way, you would not be disappointed in the cleaning and rinsing results. a little with either product goes along way. | ||
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Post# 1194768 , Reply# 11 12/5/2023 at 12:59 (367 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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I quite fancy it! | ||
| Post# 1194771 , Reply# 12 12/5/2023 at 13:23 (367 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
Speaking of Miele and Persil | ||
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Post# 1194777 , Reply# 13 12/5/2023 at 14:26 (367 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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No, Henkel does not provide private label products for Miele's detergents. That YT video person is seriously mistaken.
My guess is laundry detergents come from Kreussler who has a long standing relationship with Miele via wet cleaning. kreusslerinc.com/wetcare-miele-k... | ||
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Post# 1194781 , Reply# 14 12/5/2023 at 16:16 (367 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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One of our European members posted awhile back in another thread about who made what products for Miele. Laundry products come from one place, dishwasher things from another and so forth.
Henkel would never create something private label that would compete with their top shelf Persil or whatever it's called in other markets. P&G has "professional" Tide and Ariel, but they are just that; same brand names but labeled for commercial or institutional laundry use. | ||
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Post# 1194793 , Reply# 16 12/5/2023 at 19:14 (367 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Thank you!
I stand corrected.
Should have just searched archives for thread in question. www.automaticwasher.org/c... German consumer testing rates Miele laundry products quite highly. www.welt.de/vergleich/mie... | ||
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Post# 1195762 , Reply# 17 12/21/2023 at 01:15 (352 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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On another note...
If purchasing Persil Color Kraft gel (Henkel) from various American sources or even online check packaging. As with nearly everyone else Henkel has been engaging in "shrinkflation".
New bottles of Persil gel are only 900ml down from 1 liter. Henkel points out new dosage calls for 45ml instead of 50ml so consumers should come out ahead or at least even. www.test.de/Verpackungsae... | ||
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Post# 1195771 , Reply# 18 12/21/2023 at 09:52 (351 days old) by Helicaldrive (St. Louis) |
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The German Persil gels Are now far more concentrated than they used to be. Now they dose like the American Persil liquid — only need a dab in a FL. Used to be I’d need up to 3/4 of a capful with the bottle of German Persil gel I had before. Fabulous product. | ||
| Post# 1212600 , Reply# 19 8/19/2024 at 15:58 by Yuccadew ( US / East Coast ) | ||
Anyone here currently using Persil powder? How much do you use? I purchased a box of the Henkel version recently, and I’m having a terrible time getting it to rinse out of clothes. Leaves streaks.
My washing machine is a top loading Maytag, a few years old, with an agitator. I always use hot water and put the detergent in first, let the machine start filling with water, then add the clothes. Even with an extra rinse cycle, I was getting streaks of detergent left on the clothes. At the moment I’m doing a load with less detergent (1/4 cup, whereas before I was using about 1/2 cup for a larger load), which I mixed up with hot water in a jar first, then using the method in the previous paragraph. I also am using a different cycle setting, since the "normal" cycle does not allow for a "deep water" wash. Curious to see if the deep water cycle helps. I think i just really dislike these new HE washing machines, and might just have to go back to liquid detergent, even though I prefer the cleaning ability of powders. Curious what kinds of washing machine fellow powder fans have, and how much detergent you use. | ||
| Post# 1212602 , Reply# 20 8/19/2024 at 16:23 by Yuccadew ( US / East Coast ) | ||
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Post# 1212606 , Reply# 21 8/19/2024 at 17:01 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Streaks of powder detergent residue are normally result of zeolites. IIRC most versions of Persil (European) including "mega perls" are some what high in zeolite content.
There may also be issues with using too much detergent and or coupled with using low temperatures. Finally today's "HE" sort of front loaders use far less water. This also can cause issues with detergent not dissolving properly and rinsing cleanly. This residue often isn't noticeable on whites or very light coloured textiles, but darker colours or blacks are another matter. www.electrolux.ie/support... www.miele.co.uk/support/customer...(zeolites,do%20not%20usually%20contain%20zeolites. | ||
| Post# 1212608 , Reply# 22 8/19/2024 at 17:06 by Yuccadew ( US / East Coast ) | ||
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^Thank you, Laundress. I have an American Maytag top loader, and I’ve been using hot water only with the powder.
The 1/4 cup that I just tried with a load of towels on a “deep” water cycle and an extra rinse did rinse out. Now I’ll have to see if loads come of clean enough with only that much detergent.. | ||
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Post# 1212612 , Reply# 23 8/19/2024 at 17:26 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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If using a traditional top loader you may also wish to try adding powdered detergent first, setting washer to low level fill, let it agitate for a bit to fully dissolve detergent, stop machine and reset to proper water level and add wash.....
Thing about zeolites is they are insoluble, that's the whole point. However this can cause issues with residue sometimes no matter what one does. Must of the "dust" or "lint" washed in powdered detergents comes from either zeolites or other substances that don't fully dissolve such as certain bulking agents. Above is one reason why so many switched to liquid format laundry detergents for deep colours and or dark/black items. | ||
| Post# 1212615 , Reply# 24 8/19/2024 at 18:32 by Yuccadew ( US / East Coast ) | ||
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^So I’ve settled on dissolving it in hot water in a jar, then adding it to the empty machine and letting it fill with hot water before adding the clothes. Although even with that, I was still getting those awful steaks, but reducing the amount of detergent seems to have helped. Must be those zeolites :/. Thanks for the articles, too. I read them and it makes sense.
Nothing can really beat those old phosphate containing detergents. I haven’t found anything quite as good in today’s market, for laundry or automatic dish detergents. They just don’t clean as well, and/ or they leave some funky residue. | ||
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Post# 1212619 , Reply# 25 8/19/2024 at 19:07 by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 1212622 , Reply# 26 8/19/2024 at 19:33 by Yuccadew ( US / East Coast ) | ||
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Post# 1212626 , Reply# 27 8/19/2024 at 21:00 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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"Would adding/dissolving sufficient STPP into the wash water before the detergent counter the zeolite issue?"
Probably not because adding phosphates won't remove or nullify zeolites already present in powdered laundry detergent. One could argue presence of STPP would mean zeolites aren't necessary. However, since phosphates are pretty much banned from domestic laundry detergents there you are. | ||
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Post# 1212627 , Reply# 28 8/19/2024 at 21:05 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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For laughs and giggles broke out one of the boxes of vintage Surf from my stash.
Stuff is loaded with zeolites and when used in Haier top loader could see bits floating about in wash water. This even after one had followed directions above; added powder to washer as it was filling with hot water to low level. After allowing agitation for about five minutes switched to high water level and added wash. | ||
| Post# 1212631 , Reply# 29 8/19/2024 at 21:26 by Yuccadew ( US / East Coast ) | ||
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I think I’m going to give the STPP a whirl since I don’t think the reduced amount of laundry detergent I’m using now is going to cut it. Years ago when things first went phosphate free (early 10s?) I recall buying a commercial automatic dish powder with phosphates in it since the phosphate free ones were really, really bad back then, and I recall it helped. If it boosts the cleaning power of the small amount of powder I have to use to prevent the residue streaks, it will be worth it. Excited to try it :D.
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| Post# 1212632 , Reply# 30 8/19/2024 at 21:27 by Yuccadew ( US / East Coast ) | ||
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Post# 1212642 , Reply# 32 8/20/2024 at 05:19 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Vintage Surf detergent
Cannot believe it's been 12 years on since got the stuff.
www.automaticwasher.org/c... Have only used one or two boxes, cracked open another recently in aid of using up some of this stash. Bits have clumped but nothing that couldn't be fixed by dumping contents into bucket and breaking apart. Overall results were fine in the Haier portable. Things weren't very heavily soiled, probably should have used more than 1/4 cup, but came out fine. Scent is detectable in box, only slightly so after laundry is (air) dried. | ||
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Post# 1212665 , Reply# 33 8/20/2024 at 22:23 by Dermacie (my forever home (Glenshaw, PA)) |
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Post# 1212675 , Reply# 34 8/21/2024 at 02:51 by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN) |
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Post# 1212678 , Reply# 35 8/21/2024 at 03:11 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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Persil powder I thought Persil didn't make powder for the states anymore. | ||
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Post# 1212680 , Reply# 36 8/21/2024 at 05:58 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Henkel/Dial discontinued Persil "ProClean" powder/perls in USA
www.automaticwasher.org/c... www.houzz.com/discussions/453635... www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/... Henkel Europe still has Persil both powder and megaperls for sale in USA. | ||
| Post# 1212688 , Reply# 37 8/21/2024 at 08:22 by Yuccadew ( US / East Coast ) | ||
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GELaundry4ever- I buy my laundry powders from European/ Polish grocery stores. It can be hit or miss since things are oftentimes sold out, but that’s where I get my Persil and Henkel “E” laundry powders.
Tomturbomatic- I ended up getting the STPP off of Amazon as well. It got here yesterday. I tried a teaspoon in my dishwasher along with a smaller amount of Ecover powder than normal I normally use, and the dishes came out clean. Also doing my second load of laundry now. A tablespoon along with the reduced amount of the Persil powder. I did the “normal” cycle on my Maytag, the only cycle on my machine that doesn’t allow for you to choose a “deep” water level, and I did notice some minor streaks on a couple of the clothes. I think I’m going to have to use a different cycle setting until this powder is used up. I’m happy to have the STPP to the extra cleansing boost, though. I’m going to be doing some experimenting with it. | ||
| Post# 1212689 , Reply# 38 8/21/2024 at 08:25 by Yuccadew ( US / East Coast ) | ||
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Post# 1212738 , Reply# 39 8/21/2024 at 17:36 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Softened water either via substances such as phosphates or mechanically will get you but so far in terms of reduction of detergent used. At some point however using less "soap" will hinder cleaning resulting in a poor wash.
In best of all possible worlds laundry detergent would be formulated with phosphates as builders eliminating issues from zeolites. That is not possible largely any longer so there you are. Long as you're adding zeolites to wash in any amount there will be risks of residue and streaking. | ||
| Post# 1212744 , Reply# 40 8/21/2024 at 18:27 by Yuccadew ( US / East Coast ) | ||
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I think you are right, Laundress, and I appreciate the info on the zeolites.
Today I have quite a bit of laundry to do, and I can already tell the reduced amount of detergent won’t be enough. I also tried an extra “rinse & spin” cycle with the “normal” setting to see if that would do anything (mixing the detergent with hot water first & using a hot wash and all of that), since the 2 rinses don’t help, and that load was still full of detergent streaks. It’s maddening. I think I’m either going to have to use the “whites” cycle, which uses more agitation and rinsing than the “normal”, and can use the “deep water” water level (kind of a pain because it takes so much longer, and these HE machines takes forever as it is), to finish this Persil powder. Either that, or I’m going to have to give it to a family member who has an older style, non HE washing machine, and she doesn’t have these problems (haha). Which is a shame, because this Henkel Persil smells so nostalgic and good. | ||
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Post# 1212757 , Reply# 41 8/22/2024 at 00:37 by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Both my boxes of Henkel Persil Universal list "Phosphonates" and "Polycarboxylates" in composition with no mention of zeolites. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Tomturbomatic's LINK | ||
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Post# 1212766 , Reply# 42 8/22/2024 at 07:46 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Don't know what languages ingredients listed in post #19, think it's Polish.
Anyway can make out "zeoliti" which is zeolites. We've had this conversation previously in group IIRC. There are a few versions of Persil powder and other detergents about. What is on offer seems to vary by where things are sold and what particular Henkel plant does production. | ||
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Post# 1212769 , Reply# 43 8/22/2024 at 08:13 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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| Post# 1212774 , Reply# 44 8/22/2024 at 09:14 by Yuccadew ( US / East Coast ) | ||
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It looks like the one I have is from Henkel, made in Poland. I don’t see German on there, but there’s Polish, Estonian, Croatian, Russian, Hungarian, Slovak, Latvian and a few other languages, all side by side so a little confusing and harder to make out than the ones all in just English.
But it looks like anionic surfactants, enzymes, phosphates, zeolites, and fragrance are among the ingredients listed. | ||
| Post# 1212775 , Reply# 45 8/22/2024 at 09:32 by Yuccadew ( US / East Coast ) | ||
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Post# 1212777 , Reply# 46 8/22/2024 at 09:43 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 1212785 , Reply# 47 8/22/2024 at 10:09 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Henkel like P&G, Unilever and other laundry detergent makers tend to formulate their products with local market (water) conditions in mind.
P&G tests Tide across several different areas of USA from Main to California. Well at least they used to, not sure if that's true today. Point is they want to have formulas that will work with local water conditions. Am assuming Henkel does same with numerous variants of Persil. Western Europe, Eastern Europe, South America, Middle East... All likely have different water in terms of mineral content (hardness) and other attributes. A member and myself did a swap of Persil detergents. Lot received came from Saudi Arabia IIRC also with "German Technology". Packed a powerful punch scent wise but didn't notice much difference than Persil from Germany. | ||
| Post# 1212788 , Reply# 48 8/22/2024 at 10:18 by Yuccadew ( US / East Coast ) | ||
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Post# 1213010 , Reply# 49 8/24/2024 at 21:29 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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UK (Unilever) Persil Bio powder is my favorite for cool washes; the non-bio version for hot 140 degree F washes. My water heater, which produces 140-145 degree hot tap is only a few inches from the washer. I’ve switched to using the cool temp setting on my 2023 Speed Queen 7009 for most advanced enzyme detergents. Removes stains better than the warm setting, which seems so counterintuitive to me, but I can’t argue with the results.
Generally wash sheets and bath linens in hot. Also using the Normal cycle for all loads except blacks (Delicate) and bath linens (Sanitize With Oxi or Whites cycles). The super concentrated detergent solution in the very low water level of the Normal cycle tackles stains like a champ. On the downside, large loads of bath linens soak up all the water in the tub and they’re barely saturated during the wash. Rinses aren’t a problem. On other cycles, the machine adds more water to the wash if towels soak it all up. Normal cycle will not add more water no matter what. | ||
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Post# 1213013 , Reply# 50 8/25/2024 at 00:01 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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heavy duty What about the heavy duty cycle? Have you tried it for this load? | ||
| Post# 1213039 , Reply# 51 8/25/2024 at 10:16 by Yuccadew ( US / East Coast ) | ||
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Frigilux- I’m jealous! :D
GELaundry4ever- my washer does have a “Power Wash” cycle which I have never used, but I bet that would work. So far I’ve been using the Whites cycle with hot water and the “deep rinse”, and the powder seems to be dissolving. I just finished a load in this cycle with my husband’s dressier work shirts and pants, and I only saw a couple of specks on some of the darker pants. I might try that Power Wash cycle with some yard work clothes and see what happens. Thank you! | ||
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Post# 1213042 , Reply# 52 8/25/2024 at 11:44 by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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If there is a chalky residue of zeolites to cause white streaks on darks then they should be removed by the dryer.
As others already suggested good rinsing and not overdosing the detergent will limit the residue in the first place, the dryer or brushing with a clothes brush after line drying takes care of whatever remains. Streaking can also occur from using too little detergent and or too much fabric softener but it would look different and you couldn`t remove it easily from dried clothes. So if it`s a white and chalky powder and gone after tumble drying it`s most likely the zeolites to blame, in any other case I`d give it a try to use way more detergent and maybe even add a water softener like STPP. | ||
| Post# 1213050 , Reply# 53 8/25/2024 at 13:37 by Yuccadew ( US / East Coast ) | ||
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Well I just tried a Power Wash cycle with a black comforter to see what would happen. I used hot water (which I’ve only been using with this powder), added a 1/4 cup of detergent, let the machine start filling with water, then added the comforter. I chose “regular” soil level and 2 rinses, deep water level. The comforter came out mostly free of residue, with the exception of a couple of minor specks. I do think they will come out in the dryer since they did in the dark pants in the previous load, on the “whites” cycle.
mrboilwash- it seems that using these different (power wash or whites) cycles, which have more agitation and I can choose the “deep” water wash, seems to be making the difference. When I was using the “normal” cycle (which automatically detects the water level for you and you can’t override it to “deep”), even with mixing it with hot water in a jug first, using hot water, adding the detergent first, reduced amount of detergent, 2 rinses, plus sometimes a rinse & spin afterwards, the amount of detergent left on the clothes was unacceptable. As in, large streaks and globs. I do like the “normal” cycle because I don’t think it’s as hard on the clothes, but I’ll just have use that one with liquid detergent from now on. | ||
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Post# 1213059 , Reply# 54 8/25/2024 at 17:06 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 1213084 , Reply# 55 8/26/2024 at 05:23 by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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Yuccadew- So it`s definitely the zeolites to blame.
Had it been a too little detergent problem then you might have had dark streaks on dark clothes which would be most pronounced when clothes are still wet. I was just a little bit skeptical because the zeolite content of Persil Color Powder is rather small, less than 5%. For comparison the Color Megaperls have >30% of the stuff. You say on the normal cycle the streaks are worst, so it just confirms my opinion that spray rinsing alone does not work. IIRC even decades ago when a higher cold water use wasn`t such a big deal like it is today a British consumer magazine rated rinsing for all twin tubs where rinsing was done in the spin tub even lower than the worst rinsing front loader. No surprise to me, just think of how tie dying works. All that tangled and twisted clothes stuck to the wash tub can never give rinsing results as evenly as agitated rinses where the fibers are bent and flexed over and over again. | ||
| Post# 1213361 , Reply# 57 8/29/2024 at 14:01 by jbrady3324 (Evanston) | ||
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Also, how does Persil Professional compare? | ||
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Post# 1213365 , Reply# 58 8/29/2024 at 14:28 by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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Hi jbrady3324, yes you`re right the Color Megaperls have more than 30% zeolites vs less than 5% in the Color Powder and according to German consumer tests they also have way more cleaning power.
Nor sure what a little oxi would do to neutralize chlorine or how much of it would make sense at all but I`m sure our Launderess could help you on this one. Persil Professional seems to be just like Ariel Professional the regular powder in a bigger box. | ||
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Post# 1213367 , Reply# 60 8/29/2024 at 14:43 by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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| Post# 1213372 , Reply# 61 8/29/2024 at 16:20 by jbrady3324 (Evanston) | ||
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Good idea. I’ll do that. Any insight on Persil Color Universal performance vs Cheer Powder? I’m concerned about the amount of zeolites in Megaperls. That seems like a very high percentage. Am I overthinking it? | ||
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Post# 1213385 , Reply# 62 8/29/2024 at 19:13 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Both Persil powder and megaperls for colour actually are better than Cheer. Persil comes out top or near in German consumer testing if that means anything to you.
Plug into favourite online translator: www.infranken.de/ratgeber... www.testberichte.de/spuel-waschm... Top colour detergents from Europe such as Persil don't require addition of oxygen bleach nor anything else in terms of neutralising chlorine or otherwise protecting colours, they've got that cracked. In keeping with detergents for whites most German consumer testing ranks powdered detergents for colours better than liquid formats. | ||
| Post# 1213406 , Reply# 63 8/29/2024 at 21:17 by jbrady3324 (Evanston) | ||
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Thanks! So how does 1 choose between Persia Perls and Powder? Does it just come down to price per load to account for concentration or are Perls better in other ways too? | ||
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Post# 1213408 , Reply# 64 8/29/2024 at 21:54 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Things come down to personal choice really.
Megaperls being a compact and more concentrated powder has benefits tied to that format. This includes perhaps having less fillers than traditional powder. Though Persil "Universal" is fairly concentrated as well, it's only when you get to "big box" store sizes that things change IIRC. Do the sums and go with whatever works best for your situation. | ||
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Post# 1213411 , Reply# 65 8/30/2024 at 01:37 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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