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Post# 1199089   2/11/2024 at 20:39 (299 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Post# 1199091 , Reply# 1   2/11/2024 at 20:41 (299 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Bell System 1916

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Post# 1199093 , Reply# 2   2/11/2024 at 20:42 (299 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Bell Telephone System 1957

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Post# 1199094 , Reply# 3   2/11/2024 at 20:43 (299 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Western Electric 1965

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Post# 1199095 , Reply# 4   2/11/2024 at 20:44 (299 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Western Electric 1955

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Post# 1201646 , Reply# 5   3/16/2024 at 14:42 (265 days old) by Novum (Ireland)        
Operator assisted long distance calling in the US in 1949

I'm not sure if this has already been posted, on a previous thread, but it's an accurate representation of a transcontinental, long distance call being made via multiple operators :





This as recorded as part of a radio play to add realism and suspense, but it's one of the few representations of what making a long distance call would have sounded like back in the day.


Post# 1201650 , Reply# 6   3/16/2024 at 15:57 (265 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        

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I was a telephone operator for PT&T in Santa Rosa, Calif. from ‘76 thru ‘78 and I worked at a cord switch board. Even in the 70’s there were still many long distance calls that still required operator assistance and those of us “0” operators placed those calls for the customers from our cord switch boards. All International calls, Mobile calls, marine calls, coin telephone calls, collect calls, person to person calls, calls LD calls from Hotels and Motels and the County Jail were placed by the operator.

We also still had some customers in area code 707 that didn’t have dial telephones, they were on rural lines that required EVERY call to be placed by the operator. My family lived in such an area in the 60’s. We had 5 other customers on our party line and you had to listen for the ring in order to tell if the call was for your home. Our number was Russian Gulch #3 and our ring was one long and one short. To place a call you’d lift the receiver and listen to see if anyone else was on the line, in which case you’d have to hang up and wait until the line was clear and the operator would come on the line, announcing Operator, then you’d say, operator this is Russian Gulch #3 and I want to call Seaview #10 and the operator would ring down your your call for you. When I turned 13 in February 1964 my Mom was in Brooklyn, NY visiting relatives. When she called me to wish me a Happy Birthday it took her almost an hour to get the Operator to take her seriously that she was calling Russian Gulch #3 via the Santa Rosa Calif operator, she thought Mom was pulling her leg.

There were no cell phones then and almost every call that wasn’t within your local area was a Long Distance call, and they all cost plenty. Customers in our area could direct dial intra and inter state LD numbers using 1 and then the area code and the line number, but for most of the 707 area code these calls still required some minimal operator assistance via the CAMA (Centralized Automated Message Accounting) operator. When an operator was working the CAMA board we would receive a beep in our headsets to indicate that a customer was on the line, then we would say, your number please (the number they were calling from) then we’d key in their number, say thank you and immediately get the next beep for the next call. A CAMA operator would key in an average of 600 telephone number per hour. This process is how these customer direct dialed calls were billed, so if a dishonest person gave the number for someone else as there number then that poor bastard was billed for the grifters call, but eventually Mother Bell caught up with these miscreants and billed them anyway, so the payment was just delayed by their dishonesty.

Being a telephone operator was a very fast paced and interesting job, the time really did fly by when you were at the switch board.

In the time period being depicted in the YT video many locals had designated LD operators that were reached by dialing 113 to reach the LD operator.

Additionally, during the time period that I worked foe Ma Bell there was no 911 yet for emergency call, and the “0” operator handled ALL emergency calls and remained on the line until the emergency help arrived, Some of those call could be quite upsetting needless to say.

It was a very different time when the telephone wasn’t taken for granted and every time it rang you rushed to answer it. There was no caller ID and very few crank calls. Today my telephone can ring several times a day and it doesn’t get answered because 99% of the calls are from fraudsters. It’s a different world indeed.

Eddie


Post# 1201652 , Reply# 7   3/16/2024 at 17:30 (265 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)        

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Eddie, my mother was an operator for Ma Bell and that was exactly the way it was back then and you did not get any discount on your bill for working there. Choice of a black desk or wall phone you rented, calling the next town was long distance. I worked for the phone company and was behind the scenes that shows how massive and extremely complicated the system that actually, always works. The first phone here was one long, one short, one long ring on a 12 party line. Glad those days are over and I still have a landline.

Post# 1201653 , Reply# 8   3/16/2024 at 17:48 (265 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        

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Tim, my maternal Grandma’s parents owned a hotel in Sharon, Kansas in the early 20th century. Back in those days it was common in rural areas that telephone switch boards for the community to be owned by and located in hotels. My Great Grandpa had such a telephone switchboard located in his hotel. My Grandma and her sisters worked the switchboard when they weren’t in school.

During WWI there were many German farmers in that area of Kansas. When my Mom remarried in ‘70 my Great Aunt Mollie came down from Washington state to the wedding. At the reception I recall and Mollie and Grandma talking about their days of working at the switchboard during WWI. This was the first I ever knew about Great Grandpa having the telephone switchboard at the hotel. Apparently, Grandma and Mollie used to listen in on the calls, which is of course verboten. Mollie said to Grandma, “Sallie, remember how we used to cut off the those people when we heard them talking in German because we were sure that they must have been saboteur's?” There was a lot of animosity towards Germans in America during WWI.

Eddie




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Post# 1201661 , Reply# 9   3/16/2024 at 20:20 (265 days old) by Novum (Ireland)        

It’s was an interesting era. I was just looking at the history of operator service here in Ireland. The very last manually operated local exchange in the network here was Mountshannon, County Clare (population 200). It closed on May 28, 1987.

It went from straight from a magneto switchboard to being a small remote for an Ericsson AXE digital switch, which itself permanently retired in 2023, having gone through various versions since 1981.

Kinda cool though to see it having gone from what was basically 1800s crank and talk technology straight to full digital PSTN, ISDN, to VoIP and FTTH in the space of just 37 years.

It’s sad in a way to see even the specialist hardware gone. It’s all just soft switches running on generic services, basically an app on IP networks nowadays.

The last Strowger in the network closed in 29th April 1989 at Clontarf in Dublin, replaced by an Alcatel digital switch and basically that was the end of old tech switching here, so I have no memory of it really at all.

The ability to call any kind of operator was withdrawn here in 2007. The “10” operator service and “114” international operator services completely closed. You can’t even make a reverse charge / collect call anymore. We had 1800 REVERSE for a while but I don’t think it ever saw much use.

Just kinda remarkable that we are about to witness the end of a tech that remained fairly stable since the dawn of widespread dial phone service in the 1920s. It’s basically the end of the century of the modern, high tech PSTN and classic phone service. The switch to IP telephony and mobiles is far more fundamental than digitalisation was. The concept of what a phone is and what phone service is has changed entirely.

Some PSTN networks are already essentially gone. What remains will be gone forever within a few more year at most.




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Post# 1202054 , Reply# 10   3/21/2024 at 21:37 (260 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Bell System 1916

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Bell System 1916


Post# 1202055 , Reply# 11   3/21/2024 at 21:50 (260 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Bell System 1977

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Bell System 1977


Post# 1202060 , Reply# 12   3/21/2024 at 22:09 (260 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Bell Telephone System 1943

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Bell Telephone System 1943


Post# 1202061 , Reply# 13   3/21/2024 at 22:11 (260 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Gray 1899

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Gray 1899


Post# 1202063 , Reply# 14   3/21/2024 at 22:13 (260 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Iillinois Bell Telephone 1957

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Iillinois Bell Telephone 1957


Post# 1202091 , Reply# 15   3/22/2024 at 12:22 (259 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        
Reply #12 1943 Bell Telephone

My mom began working as an operator for Southern Bell Telephone either late that year or early 1944, first as local, then long distance. That was in the Hattiesburg, Mississippi exchange, which handled calls in and out of Camp Shelby, a very busy Army training center. This was probably why the Hattiesburg operator center was one of the first to get multi-frequency tone dialing equipment, which was installed while she was working there. This permitted the operators to complete calls to many major cities without going through other operators. Hattiesburg customers didn't get dial phones until 1953, but they also got intertoll dialing (direct dial LD) at that time to certain locations.

Post# 1202325 , Reply# 16   3/26/2024 at 21:02 (255 days old) by Novum (Ireland)        

That 1916 extension rental is $14.24 a month in 2024 money. Not much cheaper than an extra cable box or similar today.

Post# 1202341 , Reply# 17   3/27/2024 at 07:56 (254 days old) by Novum (Ireland)        
Just a look beyond the Bell system - Ericsson.

Telecom Australia (now Telstra) film from around 1980, but possibly could be a bit earlier. It just shows how their systems worked in a lot of detail. It just gives a view of Ericsson systems in quite a bit of detail and just day-to-day working practices as they were back in the late 70s.

It's also very much that era when remote working within those companies began, and you'll see very few uniforms etc, just casual clothes. Suddenly became more like the IT sector, other than the tendency to wear lab coats in the exchanges in Australia in that era.





Most of this gear is more or less identical to stuff that was used here, and probably in a lot of parts of Europe. The exchanges also look more or less the same.

The very old stuff was likely Stowger built by companies like STC (Standard Telephones and Cable). The newer stuff was Ericsson.

It's all Ericsson ARF (Crossbar), ARE (Computerised crossbar) and AXE (Digital).
They keep referring to SPC (Stored programme and control) and 'ANA' which was Ericsson's computer system for crossbars.

ITT/Alcatel System 12 digital switches were added around the same time and I think Australia may have also used ITT Pentaconta, probably built locally by STC.

Fairly techie video about work practices and stuff, but it gives you an idea of how switches and technicians worked around the last generations of analog Ericsson networks back in the day.




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Post# 1205182 , Reply# 18   5/11/2024 at 08:18 (209 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Bell System 1963

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Bell System 1963


Post# 1205184 , Reply# 19   5/11/2024 at 08:50 (209 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Automatic Electric Company 1938

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Automatic Electric Company 1938


Post# 1205185 , Reply# 20   5/11/2024 at 08:52 (209 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
American Electric Telephone Company 1908

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American Electric Telephone Company 1908


Post# 1205186 , Reply# 21   5/11/2024 at 08:54 (209 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Bell Telephone System 1952

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Bell Telephone System 1952


Post# 1205187 , Reply# 22   5/11/2024 at 08:56 (209 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Bell Telephone System 1957

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Bell Telephone System 1957


Post# 1206720 , Reply# 23   6/1/2024 at 21:31 (188 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Western Electric 1966

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Western Electric 1966


Post# 1206722 , Reply# 24   6/1/2024 at 21:33 (188 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
AT&T 1968

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AT&T 1968


Post# 1206723 , Reply# 25   6/1/2024 at 21:37 (188 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Bell Telephone System 1943

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Bell Telephone System 1943


Post# 1206725 , Reply# 26   6/1/2024 at 21:41 (188 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Stromberg-Carlson 1913

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Stromberg-Carlson 1913


Post# 1206727 , Reply# 27   6/1/2024 at 21:44 (188 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        
The Bell System 1966

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The Bell System 1966


Post# 1209377 , Reply# 28   7/14/2024 at 18:42 by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Bell System 1964

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Bell System 1964


Post# 1209378 , Reply# 29   7/14/2024 at 18:45 by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Bell System 1978

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Bell System 1978


Post# 1209379 , Reply# 30   7/14/2024 at 18:47 by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Western Electric 1965

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Western Electric 1965


Post# 1209380 , Reply# 31   7/14/2024 at 18:49 by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Stromberg-Carlson 1910

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Stromberg-Carlson 1910


Post# 1213387 , Reply# 32   8/29/2024 at 19:28 by Novum (Ireland)        
British GPO Operators - Before WWII

I'm not sure what the date on this is, but it looks like maybe the late 1920s. Footage and sound from the GPO 'Overseas Service' - an operator exchange in London.






Post# 1213552 , Reply# 33   9/1/2024 at 08:55 by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Bell System 1965

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Bell System 1965


Post# 1213553 , Reply# 34   9/1/2024 at 08:56 by Ultramatic (New York City)        
AT&T 1967

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AT&T 1967


Post# 1213554 , Reply# 35   9/1/2024 at 08:58 by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Bell Telephone System 1934

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Bell Telephone System 1934


Post# 1213555 , Reply# 36   9/1/2024 at 09:01 by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Bell Telephone System 1961

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Bell Telephone System 1961


Post# 1213556 , Reply# 37   9/1/2024 at 09:03 by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Consolidated Telephone Co. 1886

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Consolidated Telephone Co. 1886


Post# 1214721 , Reply# 38   9/14/2024 at 14:04 by Ultramatic (New York City)        
AT&T 1966

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AT&T 1966


Post# 1214722 , Reply# 39   9/14/2024 at 14:05 by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Bell Telephone System 1957

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Bell Telephone System 1957


Post# 1214724 , Reply# 40   9/14/2024 at 14:08 by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Holtzer-Cabot Electric Co. 1917

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Holtzer-Cabot Electric Co. 1917


Post# 1214725 , Reply# 41   9/14/2024 at 14:11 by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Western Electric 1974

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Western Electric 1974


Post# 1214726 , Reply# 42   9/14/2024 at 14:13 by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Bell Telephone System 1961

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Bell Telephone System 1961


Post# 1214796 , Reply# 43   9/15/2024 at 01:02 by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        
Reply #41

When I worked at University Hospital Cincinnati in 1985, they put a new phone system in the office area I was working in. Some of the stations were like the one in Western Electric ad, with 20 button phones and the separate busy lamp field - direct station selection consoles. It was one of the ComKey systems, and had electronic ringers instead of the gong type.

Post# 1215762 , Reply# 44   9/27/2024 at 15:09 by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan & Palm Springs, CA)        

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Post# 1217543 , Reply# 45   10/28/2024 at 16:26 by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Western Electric 1974

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Post# 1217544 , Reply# 46   10/28/2024 at 16:28 by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Bell System 1963

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Bell System 1963


Post# 1217545 , Reply# 47   10/28/2024 at 16:29 by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Bell Telephone 1952

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Post# 1217546 , Reply# 48   10/28/2024 at 16:31 by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Bell Telephone System 1961

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Post# 1217547 , Reply# 49   10/28/2024 at 16:33 by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Montgomery Ward 1916

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Post# 1218146 , Reply# 50   11/8/2024 at 00:20 by Ultramatic (New York City)        
AT&T 1967

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AT&T 1967


Post# 1218147 , Reply# 51   11/8/2024 at 00:22 by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Bell Telephone System 1934

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Bell Telephone System 1934


Post# 1218148 , Reply# 52   11/8/2024 at 00:24 by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Western Electric 1959

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Western Electric 1959


Post# 1218149 , Reply# 53   11/8/2024 at 00:26 by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Ericsson Circa 1908

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Ericsson Circa 1908


Post# 1218150 , Reply# 54   11/8/2024 at 00:29 by Ultramatic (New York City)        
Bell Telephone System 1961

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Bell Telephone System 1961


Post# 1218252 , Reply# 55   11/9/2024 at 17:52 by Novum (Ireland)        

Post #50

Using an inflation calculator that would be $70.80 for a 3 minute call to Ireland or the UK to today!!!


Post# 1218255 , Reply# 56   11/9/2024 at 18:42 by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        
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Yes Jack, and at $7.50 for 3 mins these Long Distance calls were damn expensive in 1967 too!  Minimum wage  was $1.35 an hr. in ‘67 so a 3 min call would have cost a min wage earner almost 6 hours of their earnings!

 

 People didn’t just causally pick up the phone and ideally talk on LD calls then.  They got down to business right away and these LD calls were of short duration, that  is unless you were wealthy.

 

Eddie


Post# 1218257 , Reply# 57   11/9/2024 at 19:18 by Novum (Ireland)        

That was the other direction in 1991.

£1.00 is the equivalent of €3.31 / $3.55 - Still pretty damn expensive for 1 min. It didn't plummet until a quite a few years later.





They were all very tugging at the heart strings kind of ads.








Telecom was a still monopoly in those days, so lots of very nostalgically warm and fuzzy adverts. They didn't have to try very hard! The first one is featuring a Telecom Éireann branded GNT Automatic phone designed by Henning Andreasen in Denmark in the late 70s. They were one of the standard rental handsets from Telecom in the 80s - came in a range of colours, along side things like the Northern Telecom Harmony phones.

I still have one of these working flawlessly on modern VoIP, and it probably dates from about 1985.

The "R" button is the register recall for call waiting and 3-way calling.

Works a little differently here (and similarly in much of Europe).

R1 - Answer incoming waiting call, and release current call.
R2 - Answer incoming waiting call, and hold current call or toggle between calls.
R3 - Merge calls and setup a 3-way conversation.
R0 - Reject incoming call waiting (send to voicemail after that arrived in the 90s)

To make a 3 way call you called the first person, pressed R, called the second person and pressed R3 to merge. You could split the calls again and toggle with R2

Unlike a US hook flash, the R button sent a short pulse, similar to pulse dialling 1.


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