Thread Number: 95471
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Post# 1201440   3/13/2024 at 17:10 (424 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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This is the most angering laundry commercial I have EVER seen. And yet, here we are ever since these GE/hotpoint models have been introduced in 2015. I know that chetlaham is going to be very angry as I am. First of all, how will this washer be built tough? There's nothing tough about it. CLICK HERE TO GO TO GELaundry4ever's LINK |
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Post# 1201449 , Reply# 2   3/13/2024 at 19:55 (424 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() All lies.
Companies like GE know words are motivators, not delineators of truth.
However there is no need to explain it out. You're second video says it all "pro channel" "100 unit multi family project" and "property management customers". They aren't selling to actual end use humans, they're selling to businessmen looking to stick the cheapest possible prop in a space just so the leasing entity can claim their property has said prop. I've despised the practice and always will. Renting is a scam. Cookie cutters are a manufactured fantasy image. GE is simply the one to fill that demand of the scam which the public has fallen for.
For those who know the truth, yes, it is both painful and maddening. The one good thing about these videos is they make me appreciate my Speed Queen even more. Never take anything for granted is the best thing experience has taught me. |
Post# 1201450 , Reply# 3   3/13/2024 at 20:02 (424 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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Life is too short to be that angry, Jerome.
You should be aware that the advertisement world spends BILLIONS every year pitching their goods to entice buyers. In those advertisements, they go to great lengths stretching the truth and bullshitting their way into getting the consumer to purchase their junk. Sometimes they lie beyond all comprehension. It's the way the world works, that's why one has must spend ample time researching products and combing through reviews instead of impulse buying. It was much easier to fool consumers before the internet was around but there's still a large percentage that believe advertising, base their decision off of looks/appearance (lipstick on a pig), convenience, nametags that changed owners sometimes decades prior or changing hands multiple times, and are too lazy to do their own research. Maytag was one of the few that could back up their Maytag Man advertisements with the helical design as being the longest running, most dependable washer. However, they also stretched the truth in some of their other products and marketing claims, especially towards the last 1.5 decades of their existence. The hanging suspension rod design isn't going anywhere in top loaders. It's extremely cheap to build and quick/easy to assemble at the factory. They also get another round of money when it fails in the not so distance future through selling parts. Maytag helical washers were one of the very few washers that had a fully adjustable suspension instead of popping non-adjustable springs into place and having tubs leaning to one side or another even with a perfectly leveled machine. They could also be "tuned" on the soft side for a subfloor or more aggressive on a concrete pad. Dumbed down temps, for the most part, are heavily influenced by EPA regulations. Others use it for "green" purposes through advertising as consuming less recourses/less electricity. Purchase a vintage top loader if you want a quality built machine that hasn't been heavily regulated by government. |
Post# 1201457 , Reply# 4   3/13/2024 at 22:15 (424 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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Hey chetlaham, this is why I'm grateful for Speed Queen Laundry in my apartment complex. What did you think of the Hotpoint claim of America's hardest working appliances? I suspect that GE/Hotpoint is going for a ride on their reputation still. |
Post# 1201459 , Reply# 5   3/13/2024 at 22:33 (424 days old) by wayupnorth ![]() |
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Post# 1201466 , Reply# 6   3/13/2024 at 23:27 (424 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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Post# 1201473 , Reply# 7   3/13/2024 at 23:49 (424 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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In my opinion, it's all GE/Hotpoint all under the hood. It's just the same machine, different name. |
Post# 1201478 , Reply# 8   3/14/2024 at 00:33 (424 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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Post# 1201489 , Reply# 9   3/14/2024 at 06:33 (424 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)   |   | |
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Post# 1201498 , Reply# 10   3/14/2024 at 13:35 (424 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Jerome, if you just post for the sake of posting, people will get tired, block, move on. Not to mention, it’s a huge waste of mental energy to just keep on dwelling on the same topic. The only thing I can think of at this point is just to put the subject to rest, or only post in the Imperial or shoppers square forum index. That’s what I’ve been doing as of late myself over the past couple of months.
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Post# 1201630 , Reply# 11   3/16/2024 at 07:06 (422 days old) by combo52 ![]() |
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Hi Jerome, thanks for posting these videos from GE. It’s nice to see that they’re taking laundry appliances seriously again and building good washers and dryers for the money.
Obviously they’re not rugged appliances like Speed Queen but for the money these are going to offer good value and builders will buy them by the thousands, Many people will get 15 to 30 years out of these machines when they’re in light use situations. My partners older sister has a pair of these basic hot points and we used them several times when I was staying with them over Christmas and they work just fine, she wanted no nonsense machines and didn’t want to pay a fortune for them and I think she got, good performing pair of machines. John |
Post# 1201657 , Reply# 12   3/16/2024 at 18:46 (421 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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I hope GE is continuing to take laundry seriously again. I'd like to see them return to the filter-flo or something that will compete with the Maytag pet pro system. |
Post# 1201673 , Reply# 13   3/17/2024 at 00:23 (421 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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Post# 1201746 , Reply# 14   3/18/2024 at 09:47 (420 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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I agree with you, but the thugs at GE do not want that. All they want is money. They do not care about you as a customer, not even in the upscale segment. |
Post# 1213850 , Reply# 15   9/4/2024 at 20:10 (249 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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Not only did they do that for the prochannel, they did it for upscale buyers too. |
Post# 1213873 , Reply# 16   9/5/2024 at 03:47 (249 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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Post# 1213904 , Reply# 17   9/5/2024 at 14:07 (248 days old) by wayupnorth ![]() |
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Post# 1213949 , Reply# 18   9/5/2024 at 20:23 (248 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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It's like now we have loss of freedom in what product we choose, which is where we are with GE. All of their models seem like cookie cutter responses in their laundry and dishwashers. Unfortunately, there's no innovation. Untill things change, I will keep venting until results are done. There are already enough complaints on these. And I REFUSE to take anything for granted. |
Post# 1213965 , Reply# 20   9/6/2024 at 02:39 (248 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() Jerome, thank you! The US constitution has been nullified for some time! The last semblance of freedom was in the early 2000s when you could walk into the Sears and buy true BOLs, true TOLs, classic no none sense top loads, plasticicky washers, DDs, all metal washers, realistic HE top loads, front loads, foreign, domestic and everything in between. There was choice, there was variety, there was diversity. The customer could choose whatever suited them best. Today, none at all.
Its not just the stagnation of innovation, but also de-evolving back in time with the complete evisceration of pragmatic utility, commonsensical engineering, level headed design, result based performance, function, practicality, acceptable job execution, and longevity. The discontinuation of perfected timeless classics for long failed 65 year old designs that were never even intended for modern adaptation.
All makes and models Whirlpool, LG, Samsung, Frigidaire, ect are based on cookie cutter analytics. All based on the same superannuated antediluvian designs, just frosted in different flavors.
I feel your pain Jerome, it hurts when you as a dignified customer is coerced into being garbage a can. This is why I no longer take anything for granted. You don't know what you have until its gone. I liken to to it being in a 75*F low-medium humidity room. You don't think about air, climate, heating or cooling until the temperatures deviates to either extreme. Only then do you realize what has truly gone missing. |
Post# 1213984 , Reply# 21   9/6/2024 at 13:38 (247 days old) by William8 (Michigan)   |   | |
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Post# 1214006 , Reply# 23   9/6/2024 at 17:24 (247 days old) by wayupnorth ![]() |
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Post# 1214011 , Reply# 24   9/6/2024 at 18:38 (247 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() You may have the ability to buy a Speed Queen classic, however energy regulations have taken away descent water level control. Users must either gamble with under-filling on auto fill, or over filling on all but the largest loads when "deep fill" is selected. Not to mention energy regs have expanded the use of electronics. I 100% agree with you Jerome. |
Post# 1214522 , Reply# 25   9/12/2024 at 09:38 (242 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)   |   | |
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LMAO OMG, when you think things can't get stupider.
I guess Civics education really is lacking. The US Constitution and "freedom of appliance purchase choice" aren't even in the same universe. Goods, meaning appliances here, are produced in a mostly free market, with some light government rules, based on local and federal limits to resource consumption, user safety, accessibility, etc. (I can see the tomatoes thrown already) That free market is not "free" for consumers, it's free for Capitalist corporations to build (or source) and sell what products THEY see fit, that the market might buy, to make money for THIER shareholders. Us consumers (that term always makes me want to throw up) have the "free choice" to choose from whatever pool of products is offered, available by the companies in the market. THAT'S IT. You're only freedom is to choose what's there. And if you don't like it, THEN, you have the freedom to buy old stuff 2nd hand, or create your own gosh darn appliance company. I believe the Laundry Alternative is already doing that as we speak. |
Post# 1214551 , Reply# 26   9/12/2024 at 15:05 (241 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() You don't even know the pertinent facts being discussed.
Capitalist corporations can NOT "build (or source) and sell what products THEY see fit"
There are clear penalties for doing otherwise.
https://www.energy.gov/sites/default/files/2022-04/GSL_EnforcementPolicy_4_25_22.pdf
I can NOT "create your own gosh darn appliance company"
Doing otherwise leads to legal action. If I vehemently refused I'd end up on the news, forced to pay penalties, lose my business license, file for bankruptcy and possibly if I became defiant enough end up in prison.
So no, there is no free market. What you have is the government over-reach only justified subverting both the intent and meaning of the constitution...
Government believes in there own rules so much they often exempt themselves from them. |
Post# 1214559 , Reply# 27   9/12/2024 at 16:59 (241 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)   |   | |
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Post# 1214561 , Reply# 28   9/12/2024 at 17:15 (241 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() When the US was created and in the years going forward, many people thought the experiment wasn't anything serious.
When in reality freedom, dignity, and human rights created the wealthiest, most prosperous and most powerful nation on earth.
The 9th amendment, 13th amendment, 14th amendment, 15 amendment, and 19th amendment assured these rights extended to everyone.
Yet in the last 60 years people have been demanding the very rights which gave them life be abolished.
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Post# 1214577 , Reply# 29   9/12/2024 at 20:12 (241 days old) by Combo52 ![]() |
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Post# 1214581 , Reply# 30   9/12/2024 at 21:42 (241 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() No credibility required. The proof is all around you.
You're living in wealth, health, freedom, happiness, technology, information, comfort, knowledge, safety, security, ownership, dignity and rights that have never been remotely imagined, written about or promised in the existence of humanity. Not even described in any religious text.
Today it is all merely being taken for granted.
Modern energy regulations stifle freedom and its subsequent innovation. |
Post# 1214583 , Reply# 31   9/12/2024 at 21:57 (241 days old) by DADoES ![]() |
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Post# 1214584 , Reply# 32   9/12/2024 at 22:09 (241 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() No other country is based on the US Constitution.
constitutioncenter.org/media/fil...
The issue is not the Constitution itself. Rather how some view its validity or applicability.
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Post# 1214912 , Reply# 34   9/16/2024 at 12:56 (238 days old) by eronie ![]() |
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Jerome this is not the place to bitch about government stuff over an over. Please get a life somewere else. |
Post# 1214913 , Reply# 35   9/16/2024 at 12:57 (238 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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How many GE laundromats do you see around today? I don't believe I see any. I wonder why? Maybe it's because laundromat owners don't want poor performance let alone tons of breakdowns. |
Post# 1214927 , Reply# 36   9/16/2024 at 16:09 (237 days old) by wayupnorth ![]() |
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Post# 1215084 , Reply# 38   9/18/2024 at 16:23 (235 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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Here are more GE complaints. CLICK HERE TO GO TO GELaundry4ever's LINK |
Post# 1215088 , Reply# 39   9/18/2024 at 16:34 (235 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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The most angering (annoying really) thing is how you keep going on and on about GE.
If you keep up with these shenanigans, everyone will block and move on entirely, then you’ll wonder why engagement will be nonexistent on your threads and posts. Really does seem like Jerome is trying to break the record for posts posted. It’s better to have quality posts, not quantity. Know from experience in the 7 years I’ve been on the site. |
Post# 1215109 , Reply# 40   9/18/2024 at 20:51 (235 days old) by Combo52 ![]() |
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That sums up a GE filter flow perfectly, the machines built from 1961 through 1994 had terrible problems with balance the inner basket constantly crashed into the outer tub knocking the porcelain finish off and causing the outer tub rust through and leak and totaled the washer.
The totally redesigned team model machines eliminated vibration, problems, and walking and banging into the cabinet let alone out or tub damage. You can always find consumer complaints about anything. That’s not how you get an Objective opinion about the best and worst machines to buy. You have to do a lot of other analysis , Maybe like owning one yourself and seeing how it works. John |
Post# 1215129 , Reply# 41   9/19/2024 at 04:10 (235 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() I used two model Ts in the late 90s through the early 2000s. An unbalanced load would cause the tub assemble to violent bang into the cabinet until one day it cracked the outer tub and dented the cabinet in.
Over the years countless blogs have shown the same on just the Model T. Google search being awful in the last 5 years won't show me the top 10 best examples from the last 15.
Repair techs will tell you the countless number of times the tub straps break from regular use causing and the tub to knock into the cabinet during the spin cycle. You leave this pertinent fact out.
That is not taking into account all the other suspension such as this:
And of course the tub banging didn't end with the model T. Modern GEs with electronics are still doing it:
Its silly to think the hanging suspension of the Filter Flos would behave differently from the hanging suspension of model Ts.
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Post# 1215143 , Reply# 42   9/19/2024 at 10:21 (235 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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GE quality hasn't changed. As far as I'm concerned, it has only gotten worse. This is especially true now that I'm a user of Speed Queen Laundry. |
Post# 1215145 , Reply# 43   9/19/2024 at 10:31 (235 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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Now, everybody else is following suit. They're following in GE's footsteps. Exception: Speed Queen Laundry. |
Post# 1215147 , Reply# 44   9/19/2024 at 11:33 (235 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Those GE FF machines must have had severe problems with rust once the porcelain was knocked off from the inner tub crashing into it. I know the Whirlpool belt drives aren’t entirely perfect or are immune from certain issues, but a Whirlpool belt drive must have had far fewer issues than a GE FF machine. Then again, Whirlpool had a design that worked and didn’t make changes just for the sake of doing so. Interesting how GE marketed in the mid 60’s “Progress is our most important product” but yet, their designs just had flaws that weren’t worked out or perfected and wasn’t the ‘Progress’ GE promised.
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Post# 1215155 , Reply# 45   9/19/2024 at 14:04 (234 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() Whirlpool did make changes to their center posts, seals, stem heights, some for better some for worse. I don't know what they did in the mid 80s, but machines from that time period seem to have a lot of basket drive failures.
If you ask me the one design which truly got better each year (design wise) besides the direct drives were the two belt Raytheons. I can't think of any major or minor regressions- they were nearly perfected by the time they were discontinued. |
Post# 1215160 , Reply# 46   9/19/2024 at 15:18 (234 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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I'd kill to have a Speed Queen 2 belt design with a matching dryer. |
Post# 1215163 , Reply# 47   9/19/2024 at 16:03 (234 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Post# 1215197 , Reply# 48   9/19/2024 at 23:56 (234 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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Post# 1215198 , Reply# 49   9/19/2024 at 23:58 (234 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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Post# 1215218 , Reply# 50   9/20/2024 at 05:22 (234 days old) by Combo52 ![]() |
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Had many advantages, first of all it put the bearings closer to where the clothing load was, it obviously saved a lot of steel because the spin tube and the center post and the post in the center of The wash basket we’re all shorter saving a lot of material and money.
When these machines were originally engineered, good water seals were not a reality so they tried to put the bearings up above the water level, hoping for longer life, when they went to the shorten center post around 1978 they put in superior seals and the result was the machines almost never had bearing problems after that whereas before the earlier machines would only last about 8 to 12 years. Chet If you had any engineering sense, you could figure these things out yourself. It’s pretty obvious if you look at it why they build things the way they do. This would be preferable to being the little kid that always just goes why why why, lol John |
Post# 1215223 , Reply# 51   9/20/2024 at 06:14 (234 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() Education doesn't make you a little kid, much the opposite, asking intelligent questions would be the sign of a mature adult.
Engineering comes in specialties. Electrical engineering isn't the same specialty as mechanical engineering, hence why I don't have the same level of mechanical knowledge.
And you knew that already, just your zeal using an opportunity to call me a little kid aka pot calling the kettle black. |
Post# 1215241 , Reply# 52   9/20/2024 at 11:00 (234 days old) by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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I wish I could tell you GE and everybody else went to stupid suspensions, but the most I could think of is cost cutting which leads to poor performance. It seems like everybody else is smashing their cabinets, while Speed Queen is having a butter smooth spin like a ride on the freeway with light traffic. |
Post# 1215247 , Reply# 53   9/20/2024 at 11:28 (234 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Don’t know what age Chetlaham is, but I assume he’s 5 to 10 years older than me. Sure, if you are 5 to 10 years older you may have experienced and seen a little more life, but if you haven’t been through all the mechanical aspects of a Whirlpool belt drive or any older machine, there’s not much continuity to your statements.
I am in my mid 20’s, still have a lot more life left ahead of me, but have more experience with the belt drive design. I have experience with rebuilding the water valve, rebuilding the transmission, fabricating various replacement parts out of plumbing parts, and just about anything you can think of on an older Whirlpool belt drive. I may be in my mid 20’s as mentioned, but have quite a bit of mechanical and electrical experience with the Whirlpool belt drive design, a few other machines as well. Can’t knock someone even if they are younger and have more mechanical experience, you don’t have to be older to have wisdom and experience under your belt. Since I have some wisdom under my belt as well as many others on the site, never turn down any wisdom and experience regardless of age. Never have this “I’m older than you so I know more than you” attitude, just a way to push people away then no one will take you seriously in life. |
Post# 1215249 , Reply# 54   9/20/2024 at 11:45 (234 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() Sean, you did not know Model Ts and modern Whirlpool washers had snubbers, and when I posted pictures of them, you then misidentified them as car suspension components.
Perhaps, just perhaps me and Jerome know more than he is given credit for. That is not to invalidate your knowledge Sean, or your experience. However there is definitely this energy of assuming me and Jerome know less than we're talking about. |
Post# 1215251 , Reply# 55   9/20/2024 at 11:53 (234 days old) by chetlaham ![]() |
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![]() And yes Jerome does inadvertently pick up older threads when a topic could better be suited to the continuity of a few single threads. However I feel it better we ask Jerome to voice his facts and opinions in pertinent threads rather than going around trying to prove he or those around him don't know what we're talking about or painted as having some type of hidden objective.
This thread I think is a great place for Jerome to voice his concerns. |
Post# 1229526 , Reply# 58   4/22/2025 at 01:53 by GELaundry4ever ![]() |
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What the heck is she serious? How is this improved cleaning and convenience? Dark colors never turned over in a GE hydrowave. The model T did. |