Maclom, I hope so! All the cycle features of a TR7 but in the classic clean format. Maybe even an ATC fill with a cool rinse option.

I notice the TR series is being carried on Best Buy's site, so perhaps this has created enough customer demand for an old school lineup.

One can hope/wish for a dream come true.

Its only the beginning. As these do well in specific stores their offering will spread. Once Best Buy has them at the majority of their locations other retailers will follow. Each day more and more PCrichards stores are now displaying Speed Queen on their sales floors where previously they were not:

www.pcrichard.com/speed-q...

This is where Speed Queen's success will take off. Once availability spreads Speed Queen will become a household name synonymous with trusted results.

Speed Queen has a product. They just need people to touch, see, feel, and talk in order to buy it.

Insofar nothing has been cheapened for PC Richards.

You seriously believe the average joe on the street knows what a Speed Queen is? Many still have no idea. Being able to see one in person will motivate people to buy, and once word gets around that number will only increase.

Nothing has to be cheapened. Keep the price as is. The rest will follow.

I agree. The  average joe has no clue whats going on, nor do most care let alone have the ability to tell a splutch from a transmission. Hence why names are so important. If the average joe equates the name Speed Queen with clean, long lasting, trouble free, quality, value, maximized investment, sleek, ect then Speed Queen will become an impulsive buy. People are unsure about what they are buying, hence they need to be either told what to buy, or watch many others buy them same thing.

Speed Queen right now is at a cusp, at a cross roads, ready to make history. If Speed Queens wins this, history will change forever. Once Speed Queen becomes a major player Whirlpool, Haier, Electrolux, LG, Bosch, Samsung and others will be forced to change their product lineup and warranty to rival that of Speed Queen. Prices will go down while quality will shoot right up. A turn around that should've taken place 30 years ago.

Massive victory, not just for them, but every single joe buying an appliance. Speed Queen will drive real competition. Whirlpool and others will be forced to both improve and innovate.  

I'm guessing a black color TC-5? It would be nice if they had a TC-7 and a TC-9.

I’ll  second that Ryne!  BFD, Matte Black finish.  It will show all the dust that accumulates from using the dryer, plus Matte Black will show every greasy fingerprint that lands on it.

If SQ really wanted to enthuse their “base” they’d reintroduce:

1.  Electro-Mechanical controls

2.  A timer cycle control

3.  Water Level control

I’ll bet machines with these retro controls would literally fly right out of the showrooms!  I’d even spring for a SQ FL if I could get one without an electronic control board.

Eddie

Ryne, 

So very well stated, and my thoughts exactly.  Especially the real market for simple FL’s with a 3.2 to 3.5 cu capacity.  I believe that 4.5 cu is too large more many users and too large for their dedicated WD space.  I also agree with you there seems to be a lot of SQ users that have problems, and this  will send me to AW.org hell too.  They aren’t as trouble free as they should be considering the high cost.  

I bought my BOL Roper for essentially the same reasons you bought your Whirlpool.  And I haven’t regretted the  decision.  But given the preference I’d choose a 3.1-3.5 cu FL without an electronic control board.  If machines like these were all that was available the overall use of both energy and water would decrease. 

Eddie

I thought Bosch and Miele made small front loaders and there must be other European brands too that are of a size or 1 or 2 people.

Bob,

The 2.2-2.5 cu FL’s are too small for my needs and I believe that this is the same for Ryne too.  The old 3-3.5 cu FL’s are the “Goldilocks” machine, not too small and not too big, but just right.  I believe that this was the point that Ryne was trying to make.  

You’re right, there are lots of small European FL’s and they are fine for the clothing of 1-2 people and bedding up to Queen Size, but it you want to launder King Size bedding these smaller FL’s are a no go, but the “Goldilocks” 3-3.5 cu FL’s will easily handle most King Size bedding, along with anything else you put into them, within reason of course.

Eddie

Eddie, that is one of my dreams. A full line of EM speed Queens with manual water level selection and temperature control. It would be nice of Kenmore was still around and seeing a full line of Kenmore built Speed Queens.

Jerome! Indeed. Thats how I envision a Speed Queen based Kenmore lineup.   

Not overpriced, priced as one would expect when the inflation of raw materials is taken into account. 

Consider this 2 speed Kenmore washers which roughly has the same capacity, features, cycles, cleaning capabilities, and metal content was advertised at $219 in 1972. In today's money that would be $1,647.95.

At $1,429.00 the Speed Queen is economically priced.

Given Speed Queen will outlast a washer at 1/3 the price several times over along with the added performance and durability of a Speed Queen makes $1,429.00 a bargain in the long run.

William, then you should have gotten one of these!

In all seriousness your Speed Queen TC is a great machine! I never asked, how are you enjoying your TC now that you've had it? How does it compare to your Maytag. I was almost as happy as you were when it arrived LOL. I love seeing a Speed Queen being placed into service.  

Its not the harsher agitation, rather energy regulations striking again. His model is located in a laundry mat which unless set to heavy duty defaults to an energy saving spray rinse.

The model I linked has an EM control model, giving the user more flexibility. With you using only high water level and mostly the bulky  cycle, I'd imagine the fewer cycles would not an inconvenience.  

However, if you're happy with your TC-5 then I am happy. Thats all I want to hear! :) 

I hope you fall in Love with your TC5 as you continue to do more laundry.  

I fantasize about Speed Queen becoming the dominant washer platform in North America. 

The Speed Queen classic refers to Speed Queen's most common platform- geared transmission, slipping belt, brake, and an across the line AC motor. They are used on Speed Queen coin, card, on premises, business, international and residential TC washers. The TR series with inverter motor and lid lock is only offered in their residential lineup and is very controversial and not liked by everyone.

The classic platform with its geared transmission over the years has had various spin and rinse combinations on some or all their cycles that are not liked by everyone- slow first spin, early spray rinse, half a tub drain and refill as a rinse, 3 spray rinses instead of a deep rinse, ect. Some or all these questionable cycle alterations have popped up across their classic model lineups from residential to commercial over the years. Some cycles like Heavy Duty and Bulky over-ride these alterations.

EM lets you shorten, extend repeat any part of a cycle. It lets you soak clothes without the machine draining out on its own after a period of time. EM is more durable, less susceptible to moisture and power transients. No ES discharge worries during service. There are no electrolytic capacitors to leak out and fail after X years. An EM timer can and will literally last indefinitely. There are no parameter sensing or error codes with EM. No obscure or discrete mode failures. No programing errors or bugs to make themselves known. Limited possibility of fire or tracks burning up. EM is easier to diagnose and troubleshoot since you can ohm out, trace and visually inspect contacts and timer sequence advancement. EM is the right choice in controlling high power circuits.  

Most likely. I doubt the new matte black models had a program change. Ok, I could understand low first spin to prevent stand pipe sudsing, yet nothing justifies the early spray rinse.  

Jerome, what model are the Speed Queens that you are using, if you know or can get the model #s. Just curious.

I'm with you! Let the machine drain on high for 3 minutes, then start the spray rinse. Let the tub come up to speed, even on low, before letting water enter the tub.

John is now triggered.

Plenty of videos show the spray rinse starting with the tub still full of water.

Most people will put up with what they don't understand. Altering their habits around the problem, blaming themselves, instead of being able to identify the actual problem.

36:52 on Normal Eco:

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Nothing is accomplished by spraying saturated clothes with water, the fresh water just runs off. Given that there are still 10 gallons of water in the tub, those few quarts of spray do nothing to significantly dilute it.

The goal is to spin all the soapy water out of the cloth first until damp, spray such that the clothes become fully saturated as to dilute the remaining amount of residual soapy water, let the spin pull that diluted water out, then repeat two or three times more if doing a spray rinse system or advance to deep rinse.  

Jerome, don't worry about you not having studied engineering (yet). John claims that motor based braking is accomplished by dropping power than instantaneously energizing that stator with a phase sequence rotating in the opposite direction. Apparently 7 billion people have been doing it wrong all these years by using simple DC injection that doesn't  violate the laws of conservation or physics. How could we have not known better all along? 

Jerome, you yourself don't need to be an engineer to see the obvious.

With that said, engineering can be fun. I made you something Jerome in your defense about John said about you, do you like it?

Dadoes: 105 is not under-loaded, rather the water level is to high thanks to the TC5's lack of manual water level selection. Something Jerome has been saying all along and no one listened. 

Neutral drain can not and should not mask wasted water.

IMO, Speed Queens agitation is perfect as is. Dual action agitators were used on belt driven Whirlpools which had a long slow stroke relative to the DDs. Those did great. Speed Queens transmission is generously sized and can handle the largest of loads. They have to, Speed Queen works everyday in commercial environments that are know not to be nice.

105 is not under-loaded, rather the water level is to high

Right, on TC5s its either hit or miss auto fill or a user selected full tub. There is nothing in between, no manually controlled variable water level control.

The TC5 guesses the amount of water per load, there is no variable user controlled pressure switch :

Whirlpool and others do this, they sense the load then add water for what the machine believes is correct for the clothes. Cycles like bulky can of course add some extra water to the final equation, and deep fill defaults to a full tub, however there can and are errors. A machine can not determine the right amount of water like a human can. A human can watch the machine fill, and set the pressure switch to the level that just covers the clothes. Overtime a user knows exactly at what point a pressure switch satisfy for a given setting, knowing where to set the dial based on where the clothes top out in the wash basket.  

Load sensing is not 100% accurate or full proof. In fact it wastes water in Speed Queens case because there is a tendency to over fill to avoid the possibility of clothing damage from under filling.

Dan, Preach! Thank you! The Pre 2018 models spun and rinsed much better. Just because people don't notice it, doesn't mean its not happening. 

Jerome, my understanding is the TC5 has load sensing due to the lack of manual pressure switch. Which is really, really dumb. It just leads to more water use. What if I want to do a mini load? How will I be guaranteed a 1/6th of a tub fill?  

Sadly it does, and electronics. Energy regs have only made things worse over the years.

If your TC5 fills at the same level every time, then that is even worse than having load sensing. 

Oy Vey!

Eddie

Right, but what if I wanted to wash a small load? What if I only wanted 5 or 6 gallons in a fill for a few hand towels? Or just a bunch of socks? 12.5 gallons is to much. In fact, as mentioned by Dadoes, the load will clump up and become unbalanced. A proper water level just covers the garments when lossley loaded.

My preference is a manual variable water level control that goes from 1/6th of a tub to a full tub.

Kenmore 80/90 series had the best IMO.

Don't get me wrong here. I know there is a pressure transducer in the TC5. I don't dispute that. My gripe is with the inability to select a mini fill. I don't see a fill selector on the control panel or a cycle that gives a 1/6th tub fill.  

William, I think what Jerome is saying is that in order to get a deep rinse he needs to select Heavy Duty which comes with fast agitation and a long wash time. A deep rinse is Jerome's primary concern/need. 

Jerome can still suggest improvements to the TC5, like a delayed spray rinse. I for one would like a water level selector.

I'm with you William on a long gentle wash. There are times when I'd like slow Speed Agitation for 10-14 minutes, however my Speed Queen does not offer that. Only gentle action is for 4 minutes on soak and 4 intermittent 30 second strokes on delicate/handwash. The AWN542 lets you select gentle agitation fast spin as the user has a speed control knob, however, with a batch of timer problems popping up around the time I was looking for a Speed Queen I settled on a BOL model. IMO, the AWN542 has way to many timer increments and it made itself known with issues of the start windings not engaging in spin.  

To William and all the detractors, have you read Jerome's post #29?

In my experience the number 1 reason for human suffering throughout history and across the globe, by far, is the belief our own sentience, perception, and experience of reality is universal to everyone. Leading people to think the behavior of others is a conscious choice or driven out of Machiavellianism to serve some self fulfilling goal. When such could not be further from truth or reality.

Ableism doesn't fix, change or heal people. Much the opposite. Punishment doesn't change, fix, or heal people. Demands don't change, fix or heal people.  

Self centered world views are the root of all evil. This wouldn't be your fault, as every facet of society was mistakenly built upon the idea of "wanna" instead of "can't" hence most people do not know any better. 

People do well if they can. People are not able fly not because they don't want to fly. People are not able to fly because they can't.

"can't" instead of "wants" is the discovery, the E=MC2 of tomorrow. 

Jerome is trying harder than anyone else on this site, by light years.    

Empathy is a wonderful thing for everybody. 

You made the assumption that since Jerome had trouble perceiving the amount of roll over in a TC5, he had never used one.

You can politely ask Jerome not to revive old threads (as others don't do the same), without insinuating that Jerome is being dishonest. 

See post 146, Jerome said he helped a friend from church do laundry who has a TC5.

Ok, say one use is not enough experience even for a user of average faculties.

TC5, Commercial coin op, commercial card, AWN452, LWNs, TVNs, ect, ect all agitate the same on high and all of them agitate the same on low. Agitation results of say a TVN6000 can be compared to that of a TC5 when speed is accounted for. Since the motor, belt, transmission, tub and agitator are all the same. 

Low Speed agitation works for you William, but for Jerome he need high speed for his tough work clothes. 

I don't want to win or loose.

I just feel like Jerome gets a lot of negativity for being the outgoing extrovert that he is. Jerome means no harm. Jerome is a good person.

I am elated your TC5 is working for you, thats what I wanted all along. 

Regarding everything else we can agree to disagree.

Respectfully, cheers! I wish you all the best! 

Over 150 posts about what folks like or don’t like about the cycle choices for the new Speed Queen TL’s.

And it seems to me that just about every one of these posters would be perfectly happy if they just had the choices the users once had on the old fashioned analog, electro-mechanical controlled SQ TL’s that were sold prior to this newer generation of SQ’s.

I’ll bet if Alliance reintroduced the old style TL’s that gave the USER the control over choosing the water level, cycle times and cycle speeds that they couldn’t produce them fast enough to meet the demand.  

When a buyer spends the premium price that SQ’s cost they shouldn’t have to monkey around with choosing different cycles to get the performance they want from the preselected choices that these specific cycles limit the user to.  Give the user the infinite control over the cycle specifics like it used to be.  

Folks are smart enough to know how much water they need for a specific load as well as all the other settings like water temp, spin speed, cycle time, ect.

Eddie

What Eddie Said!

@WayupNorth- Manufacturers don't like listen. It was that way when the TR series came out. Speed Queen deleted comments, sent back hoity emails, copy right striked Youtube channels and IIRC threatened to revoke dealer privileges. Needless to say it was not after sales began slipping that Speed Queen introduced the TC. 

I'll go a on a limb and say this forum influences public opinion. Not because everyone reads something and blindly agrees, rather AW.org puts into words what people feel or have suspected all along without having been able to put it into words. Plus, people trust this site because it is real. Most everything internet appliance related is bots, AI, and clueless influencers not actual home user experience, knowledge or opinions. 

Not to stir the pot, rather for informational use only:

  www.reddit.com/r/todayile...

Jerome, I LOVE lights! I know what you mean. I'd love an EM control with lights like In-use, soak, washing, rinsing, final spin, ect. That would be so delightful. In addition to a tub light which I think would really help in the dark stainless steel tub. Lighted control panel would nice too. I want Speed Queen to go this route.

Here is what I envision but with bigger, brighter indicator lights!  

I wonder how well the TR series is selling for Speed Queen.  Seems like we read TC5 is the one to buy and so it must be their best seller now.  Anyone selling them know?