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Post# 1213100   8/26/2024 at 13:42 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Given the recent reformulations of some top brands, the testing organization we love to hate has updated info.

A bit surprised the new Persil line—especially their flagship “Advanced Clean”—has taken a significant tumble.

For those who prefer to avoid plastic packaging: No ratings on Tide Evo Laundry Tiles, which have not received their full roll-out yet. Called Tide customer service and was told data from the enthusiastically received test marketing round was being evaluated and that the company is committed to a full launch at some point in the future. Similar tiles, also made by P&G, are available from EC30 online. They are in stock, but cost $1 per tile. The Tide tiles were about $.43 each if I recall correctly.

Scoring very dismally are the detergent sheets/strips currently on the market. It was noted that some of them cleaned only slightly better than water alone. This is why I hope P&G gets their vastly superior Tide Laundry Tiles on the market soon.

Tide Ultra Stain Release tops the chart with the same score it did last time, 84. Persil’s previous flagship liquid, ProClean + Stainfighter, tied that score.

For those of you who enjoy imports, I’ve had excellent results with these:
Persil Bio Powder (UK made by Unilever) available from British Essentials online
Persil Non-Bio Powder (UK made by Unilever) available from British Essentials online
TideMatic Powder (for front-loaders; India) available from NavaFresh.
ArielMatic Powder (India) available from Amazon
Tide Professional Powder (USA) available from Staples Office Supply online

This is only a partial list. Taking requests if you have a favorite not shown.
Perfect score would be 100. Here we go:

LIQUIDS
Tide Plus Ultra Stain Release 84
Tide Plus Ultra Oxi 83
Tide Hygienic Clean Heavy Duty 10X 80
Persil Activewear Clean 74
Tide Original 74
Tide Plus Bleach Alternative 72
Persil Advanced Clean Oxi 71
Persil Everyday Clean Original 68
Tide Zero 65
Tide Free & Gentle 62
All Oxi Stainlifter 61
Tide PurClean 54
Great Value (Walmart) Original Clean Ultimate Fresh 54
Tide Simply All In One 48
Ariel Ultra Concentrated 45
Era Active Stainfighter 43
Arm & Hammer 41
Gain Original 36

PODS/PACS
Tide Plus Hygienic Clean Heavy Duty 10X Power Pods 78
Tide Ultra Oxi With Odor Eliminators Power Pods 74
Tide Plus Hygienic Clean 10X Heavy Duty Power Pods Free/Nature 71
Tide Pods Ultra Oxi 4 in 1 70
Gain Flings 67
Persil Ultra Pacs Everyday Clean 59

SHEETS/STRIPS
Earth Breeze Liquidless Eco Sheets 29
Arm & Hammer Power Sheet 29
ECOS Liquidless Laundry Detergent Squares 22
Kind Laundry Detergent Sheets 19
Ecowise Clean Laundry Detergent Sheets 19
Beyond Laundry Detergent Strips 14
Tru Earth Eco Strips 11





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Post# 1213101 , Reply# 1   8/26/2024 at 13:58 by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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Wonder why it would drop that many points... did the previous version have "oxi" in its name?

Post# 1213104 , Reply# 2   8/26/2024 at 14:25 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Deletion above: Posted something in the wrong thread.

Petek- Can’t remember the name of Persil’s previous top-ranked, flagship detergent. Persil ProClean + Stainfighter, maybe? I used it in the 2017 9-Series SQ toploader all the time with excellent results, but even the tiniest dose in the 2023 SQ 7009 front-loader triggers the machine’s suds removal protocol, especially when the load contains very absorbent fabrics, like bath towels. At any rate, I’m done with the US Persil line of liquids. Also have eliminated pods, which also tend to cause oversudsing, especially Tide’s large 10X Power Pacs.

I’m a powders man, now. LOL


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Post# 1213128 , Reply# 3   8/26/2024 at 19:16 by appnut (TX)        

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Eugene, I'm trying to read through the above info you provided, but I don't see much mention about Tide's powders--Tide Original, Tide Ultra Oxi powder and Tide with Bleach alternative powder. Unless I missed something. Thnak you.

Post# 1213133 , Reply# 4   8/26/2024 at 19:50 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Bob- The testing organization hasn’t included powdered detergents for years. Once pods/pacs took off, powdered detergents were shown the door.

Post# 1213137 , Reply# 5   8/26/2024 at 20:00 by appnut (TX)        

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Thank you Eugene. I"m still using Tide powders cuz they're less expensive and it's far easier for me to see and gague the amount in the measuring scoop as opposed liquids. Plus I still use my powder STPP.

Post# 1213139 , Reply# 6   8/26/2024 at 20:10 by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

I've got a box of that SA-8. A colleague and her husband were members of Scamway until they saw the light, but while they were in it, I wanted to help them and I wanted to try SA-8 so I bought the box. I have only used it a few times. It makes a lot of suds when used with STPP. What do you think of it?

Post# 1213144 , Reply# 7   8/26/2024 at 20:51 by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Mom used SA8 for a while years ago.  Lost interest in it, or the friend who sold Amway quit doing so.  It generated zero suds in the '62 Whirlpool.


Post# 1213153 , Reply# 8   8/26/2024 at 21:29 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Tom- I bought SA8 to use on loads of bath towels. As Glenn mentioned, it generates little suds and is less likely to cause a lathery suds lock during the first spin. I pair it with Amway’s powdered All Fabric Bleach to help with stain removal and to keep my white bath linens white. The detergent is a middling performer. Amway’s liquid detergent features a cocktail of enzymes to help with stain removal and is the better performer of the two, but it creates more suds than its powdered sibling.

Honestly, I don’t think I’ll buy it again now that I’ve found UK Persil Bio and Non-Bio powders. Both clean like champs and rarely trigger my Speed Queen’s suds removal protocol.


Post# 1213154 , Reply# 9   8/26/2024 at 21:45 by jakeseacrest (Massachusetts)        

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I just switched from Persil to Tide Ultra Oxi after many years. My towels didn't seem as "fresh" to me anymore. I thought that maybe my water composition had changed or something like that. Interesting

Post# 1213155 , Reply# 10   8/26/2024 at 21:48 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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CR likely didn't test powder laundry detergent because market largely is dominated by liquid formats nowadays.

Unlike say Europe where one can still find powdered detergents of all sorts, including "big box" types, on this side of Atlantic they aren't easily found.

Most shops or supermarkets in our neck of the woods long have devoted nearly if not all detergent shelf space to liquid format. Finding the odd box of Tide powder in any format is quite rare.

Yes, Amazon, Costco, Target and some other places may carry powders, but again they're largely out numbered by liquid format.

For CR or anyone else to test powder laundry detergent they would need more than just the one. Aside from P&G (Tide, Gain, Cheer) who else is there? Kirkand's offering isn't in same league as Tide. When you get down to it neither is Gain nor Cheer as they are very specific (former scent latter for colours).


Post# 1213189 , Reply# 11   8/27/2024 at 09:54 by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
Powders & Persil

Not sure testing powders would do them any justice, though. Since they are tested in cold/cool water at 75°F, most powders would not perform nearly as well as liquids at that given temp. If they were tested in warm or hot, that’s were the power comes out.
Side note, I was shocked to see the decline in Persils performance. Though, considering it does not smell as good as it formerly did, I am finding alternatives. No performance issues with older versions of Persil just prior to reformulation.


Post# 1213191 , Reply# 12   8/27/2024 at 10:24 by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)        
Thanks Eugene!

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I can only use unscented products and was wondering if there were any other unscented detergents tested?

Post# 1213203 , Reply# 13   8/27/2024 at 13:40 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Hi David- Here are the other detergents labeled Free/Clear from the ratings. The Kirkland Signature (Costco) liquid is also available on Amazon if you don’t have a Costco membership.

LIQUIDS
Kirkland Signature (Costco) Ultra Clean Free & Clear 69
All Free + Clear Stainlifter With Odor Relief 65
Tide Plus Downy Free 61
Dreft Free & Gentle 59
Up & Up (Target) Free + Clear 56
Seventh Generation Clean With Purpose Free & Clear 48
Arm & Hammer Sensitive Skin Free of Perfumes & Dyes 40

PACS
Seventh Generation Free & Clear Packs Sensitive Skin 55
All Mighty Pacs Oxi Free & Clear 53

SHEETS/STRIPS
Kind Laundry Detergent Sheets Fragrance Free 19




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Post# 1213204 , Reply# 14   8/27/2024 at 13:52 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Launderess- Leave it to me to get back into powders when they’ve been pretty much kicked to the curb in the US. Having lots of fun with detergents imported from the UK & India, though. TideMatic and ArielMatic (India) have become favorites. Their scent is very different compared to US/UK detergents. If I had to choose only one US powdered detergent it would be Tide Professional. However, one enjoys the international smorgasbord.

Will be very interested to see if Tide Evo Laundry Tiles take off. I’m keen to learn how the public takes to them. Old P&G may revolutionize detergents once again. No plastic packaging, ultra lightweight for shipping. I found they clean very well, especially in cool, near room temp water (75-85 degrees F). Of course, like pacs/pods, there’s the dosing issue. For both Tide Evo and EC30 tiles, one tile is recommended for small to medium loads; two tiles for large & extra large loads. I have softened water so used only one tile even for max capacity loads to great results.


Post# 1213205 , Reply# 15   8/27/2024 at 14:03 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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lakewebsterkid— I’m getting excellent results with a wide variety of enzyme-laden powders in cool water. In fact, results improved when I switched from warm (about 105 degrees F in my washer) to cool (around 85 degrees F). I generally use the Normal cycle at the max soil level, which provides a 50-minute wash tumble in a super-concentrated solution as the water level is lower than other cycles on my 2023 SQ 7009 front-loader. It has taken awhile to wrap my head around using cooler temps, but can’t argue with the results.

Tide’s website now touts their latest formulations as featuring “Coldzymes.” I do have a jug of liquid Tide Ultra Stain Release. Haven’t used that since switching to a cool wash temp coupled with the Normal cycle. Will have to dig it out from the back of the cabinet and put it through its paces.

Having said all that, when I do want a good, old-fashioned 140 degree F wash temp, I use a non-bio/non-enzyme detergent like Persil Non-Bio (UK) or Amway SA8 powder + their all fabric bleach.



Post# 1213209 , Reply# 16   8/27/2024 at 16:31 by appnut (TX)        

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I did a term/word search on Tide.com for coldzymes and came up with nothing.

Post# 1213210 , Reply# 17   8/27/2024 at 17:20 by appnut (TX)        

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Eugene, in your educated usage experience and I did wash with water temps of 86-90F at besst, what powdered detergents would you suggest best to use. I'm at the bottom of my box of regular Tide and almost the same level of usages with Tide plus bleach.

I have access to powdered Tide Regular and Tide Ultra Oxi from grocery store and walmart and acess to Tide Professional via Amazon. And am open to suggestion for liquid variances too. I can even get up to 1.5 hours wash portion on heaviest soil on a couple of variances of Normal cycle too. I alway use STPP in each load as I have hard water.

If this experiment resulted in me being very satisfied and no longer would need the onboard heater, then I would probably spring for an SQ FL next time I need a new washer.


Post# 1213215 , Reply# 18   8/27/2024 at 20:15 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Bob- I have a box of Tide Ultra Oxi powder, but haven’t purposefully tested it yet. In fact, I should do my stained flour sack test for all the detergents in cool water to see if the results are truly any better than in warm. It seems like stained kitchen towels come out cleaner in cool water with a number of the detergents I rotate through. I’ve used Tide Professional powder quite a number of times and get great results. Haven’t tried any of the other powdered Tide variants. The only downside I can think of with Tide Pro is that it comes in one size: 155 loads. I’m a laundry junkie and wash a load almost every day, so I burn through a detergent stash fairly quickly. If you buy a box of it on my recommendation and hate it, you’ve got a LOT of detergent on your hands.

As far as liquids go, my recommendation would definitely be Tide Plus Ultra Stain Release.

Your laundry habits are quite different than mine and I have very soft water. Most of the loads I wash only fill the tub about 2/3 full—sometimes only half. Loads of bath linens are always maximum capacity. I generally wash that load using the Whites or Sanitize With Oxi cycle in hot water. Same with sheets. Whites has a maximum wash tumble time of 30 minutes, which is fine. If I feel like the load needs more contact time with the detergent solution, I’ll use the Sanitize With Oxi cycle on light soil, which is a 50 minute wash tumble. The maximum wash time on that cycle is 80 minutes, which I only used once just to check it out. What I like about the Oxi cycle is that all the spins are a few minutes longer than the Whites cycle and the two rinse tumbles are a few minutes longer, as well. Towels emerge from that cycle noticeably drier compared to the Whites or Heavy Duty cycles.

I’ve mentioned that my favorites are UK Persil Bio & Non-Bio, TideMatic (for front-loaders) and ArielMatic (for front-loaders) from India, but they cost an arm and a leg. I lead a simple life, so detergents—of all things—are my splurge. The party selling ArielMatic on Amazon is down to only eight 1 kg bags and the price is a stunning $29 per bag or about 84 cents per ounce. Ordering TideMatic or ArielMatic from NavaFresh, which specializes in imports from India, is crazy expensive, as well.

I’d encourage you to try one of the Tide variants you have on hand in cool water and see what the results are. It may be something you try once and say ‘Never again!’ or you may find it works well for certain loads. You tend to wash maximum capacity loads, so might want to use a cycle other than Normal, which will probably be very stingy with water. The quirk with the SQ is that on the Normal cycle it fills to a certain level and that’s it. It won’t add another drop. I find a load of bath linens soaks up all the water, which proceeds to tumble for 50 minutes with the load being wet, but not fully saturated with water. It refuses to add any more water, unlike on the other cycles, which will add more if a particularly absorbent load soaks up the initial fill.

I found a reference to Coldzymes at the Tide website in the pacs/pods area. Thought there was a splashier example of it somewhere on the site, but don’t have time to search right now. Check the last sentence in the blurb shown below.


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Post# 1213218 , Reply# 19   8/27/2024 at 20:27 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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"Not sure testing powders would do them any justice, though. Since they are tested in cold/cool water at 75°F, most powders would not perform nearly as well as liquids at that given temp. If they were tested in warm or hot, that’s were the power comes out."

Perhaps true for USA offerings, but powder detergents across pond have been formulated to perform at temps low as 20 degrees C.

Am speaking of TOL offerings by Henkel, Unilever and others including those from commercial/industrial laundry suppliers.

www.germanfoods.shop/Pers...


Post# 1213225 , Reply# 20   8/27/2024 at 20:36 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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While there has been some sucess in getting consumers to reduce wash temps, many won't allow that choice to interfere with results.

In Germany long the land of boil washing average temp has gone down to about 40 degrees C. However Germans aren't willing to give up "boil wash" results. This combined with fact powder laundry detergents are still rather big sellers in that country means products have to step up their game.

Thus powder detergents in Germany and other parts of EU still can give "boil wash" results at temps low as 20 degrees C to 30 and onto 40 degrees C.

www.test.de/Vollwaschmitt...

www.test.de/FAQ-Waschmittel-und-...


Post# 1213226 , Reply# 21   8/27/2024 at 20:36 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Launderess- US Tide detergents are formulated to work well in cool water. Don’t have much experience with other American powdered brands. Will say that Amway’s SA8 powder definitely likes to work in hot water, much like Persil Non-Bio. I should pick up a box of Henkel Persil to see how it compares to the UK formula. I picked up a box of German Persil years ago, but found it sudsier than the UK counterpart.

Also: Friends are in Ireland for a couple of weeks and they picked up a box of Ariel pacs to bring home to me. This is the same couple who brought back small boxes of powdered Persil & Ariel when visiting England. That was my first experience with UK detergents.


Post# 1213227 , Reply# 22   8/27/2024 at 20:44 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Posted this awhile back and am doing so again to drive home a point.





For a few decades now detergent manufacturers have been telling consumers to turn down the dial temperature wise. They claim and are supported by independent consumer testing that warm, cool or even cold water is perfectly fine for their enzyme laden products.

Top and even some middle shelf bio detergents are perfectly capable of delivering good to excellent results at lower temperatures. More so powders with advanced activated oxygen bleaching systems.

OTOH when using non-bio detergents as testing in video above shows higher temps are better.

Why is this? Usually because non-bio detergents rely more heavily on bleaching systems to remove marks and soils instead of enzymes.


Post# 1213229 , Reply# 23   8/27/2024 at 21:10 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Excellent! Thanks so much for reposting it here, Launderess.

Post# 1213230 , Reply# 24   8/27/2024 at 21:14 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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From across the pond:





Previous thread regarding German consumer testing of laundry products.

Notice they didn't think much of detergent "leaves" or sheets either.


Post# 1213235 , Reply# 25   8/27/2024 at 22:58 by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)        
Thanks Eugene!

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Thanks for posting the unscented detergent ratings. I appreciate it!

Post# 1213244 , Reply# 26   8/28/2024 at 07:27 by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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It`s interesting to see Original Gain as the worst liquid detergent, after all the stuff is not that cheap.

Not a new insight that bargain brands of the big multinationals are their money makers which means you may save a few cents but you get a much worse value for your money compared to a TOL product.
Of course you might get away by increasing the dose but where are your savings then?

As to cold water is better than warm or hot because of the enzymes I`ll bite my tongue, it triggers me but I see it`s pointless and I don`t want to derail this thread.


Post# 1213246 , Reply# 27   8/28/2024 at 07:55 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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"It`s interesting to see Original Gain as the worst liquid detergent, after all the stuff is not that cheap."

Every laundry detergent from P&G sold in USA has a niche. That and not meant to compete head on with main TOL money maker, Tide.

Gain began well enough with "Micro Enzymes".









But P&G also introduced Tide "XK" with enzymes at about same time.





Over years Gain became more about scent, fragrance or "long lasting freshness", than cleaning performance. That is if one wanted or required heavy duty cleaning or stain removal, Tide is what one chose. OTOH Gain scratched another type of itch.














P&G is famous for introducing new technology with one detergent in their stable before giving it to Tide. Oxydol had oxygen bleaching system long before Tide With Bleach. So did Biz (as pre-soaker and wash booster) which even was activated oxygen bleach. Once TWB was a solid hit neither product was needed and P&G sold off both Oxydol and Biz brands.

Gain was kept on but again occupies a different niche from Tide. Thus CR's testing showing Gain having poor results isn't surprising.

Happily situation isn't a case of either one or other. All one need do is use some sort of booster product with Gain such as oxygen bleach or some sort of "booster" product (which P&G offers of course) that will give Gain the oomph missing from Tide.


Post# 1213248 , Reply# 28   8/28/2024 at 08:09 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Coldzymes is just a nice pretty word P&G has chosen for marketing speak. Real nitty-gritty is out there from P&G, Novozymes and others.


cen.acs.org/business/consumer-pr...

trellis.net/article/cracking-col...

www.novozymes.com/en/solu...


Post# 1213254 , Reply# 29   8/28/2024 at 09:57 by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
Frigilux

Frigilux- Really? I am shocked by that. Usually I notice a fair bit of decline with anything less than warm/40°C. It doesn’t look like they have reformulated them recently either (thankfully).

David- I will say, the Persil Sensitive is quite good. I can’t say if performance decrease recently with the newer reformulations, but it doesn’t look like the Sensitive version was impacted. Though, it no longer appears on CR testing.

Coldzymes are just a fancy way of getting people into trusting washing in lower temps with marketing. There is a chance the enzymes in newer formulations are slightly different so that they are more active at a lower temp. Though, it does not explicitly state that.


Post# 1213266 , Reply# 30   8/28/2024 at 15:19 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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lakewebsterkid- I’ve been surprised a number of times by stains removed from kitchen towels in cool water using a good dose of a top-performing detergent. However, I really should purposely stain a few flour sack towels with ketchup, mustard, barbecue sauce, Worcestershire sauce, hot sauce, coffee and chocolate syrup, and perform tests that have a bit more veracity. Then I’ll know if the enzyme detergents are actually doing better in cool water or not.

Post# 1213282 , Reply# 31   8/28/2024 at 19:28 by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Is that Mary Jo Catlett in the first video Reply# 28?

Christopher Knight (Peter Brady) in the second?



Post# 1213289 , Reply# 32   8/28/2024 at 20:37 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Thanks to Launderess for the vintage detergent ads!

Glenn- The kid on the football field in the second commercial who says, “With that outfit you belong on the bench!” is definitely Christopher Knight. Have 95% confidence it’s Mary Jo Catlett in the first commercial. Good eye!


Post# 1213290 , Reply# 33   8/28/2024 at 21:16 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Child actor in R28 Gain commercial isn't Christopher Knight IMHO.

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Post# 1213293 , Reply# 34   8/28/2024 at 21:38 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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The main character in the commercial—with the uniform washed with Gain— is on the left. Christopher Knight, on the right, pops in for one line on the football field.

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Post# 1213294 , Reply# 35   8/28/2024 at 21:45 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Ohhh, now I see...

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Never mind...

*LOL*



Post# 1213302 , Reply# 36   8/28/2024 at 23:15 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
persil advanced clean

So how is Persil Advanced Clean formulated? I've always found they work and smell better than Tide in my opinion due to less suds and a more pleasant fragrance. Maybe it's just me, but the Tide scent was off putting to me especially after the power pods oxi+odor.

Post# 1213310 , Reply# 37   8/29/2024 at 00:49 by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        

That's definitely Chris Knight, and was probably done right before he began playing Peter Brady in '69. I have multiple pics of him, most from the publicity department of ABC-TV. He was overall my favorite "Brady", and the show was something I watched every week without fail. In the Summer of '72, my mom, sister, and I were in the Los Angeles area visiting relatives. A family friend worked at ABC (a department head), and he was going to try to arrange for me to meet Chris and Eve Plumb while there. Unfortunately, they were filming in Hawaii that week, and we had to leave to come home before their return. Extremely disappointed to say the least. I'd also hoped to see them when they filmed at King's Island the next year, but I was sick that day.

Post# 1213318 , Reply# 38   8/29/2024 at 05:39 by angus (Fairfield, CT.)        

Each of the big three detergent manufacturers of the time (P&G, Lever and Colgate Palmolive) introduced new enzyme detergent products to market around 1966 or so. Each was given an "action" name - Gain (P&G), Drive (Lever), Punch and Burst (CP). Purex, with a smaller market share also got into the act and introduced Brillo Enzyme Detergent. P&G and CP then added enzymes to their main product offerings. As I recall there were only a few brands not reformulated with enzymes: Cheer, Bonus, Duz, Dreft, Salvo tablets (P&G), AD, SuperSuds (CP), any of the other Lever brands like All, Rinso, Silver Dust, Breeze and Wisk, and of course any of the granulated soaps like Duz, Ivory Snow or Flakes, Octagon, White King and Instant Fels.

In the case of Gain, it seems like it had been reformulated multiple times over the years, and each time the focus became on more intense fragrance - but until more recently, it always performed reasonably well in CR's tests. In fact when "ultra" powders were first introduced in the 90s, Gain with Bleach powder ranked at the top along with Tide with Bleach at a lower price point. But as more and more intense fragrance options were introduced, seems like overall performance declined. No great loss as none of Gain's fragrance options are even remotely tolerable - to me anyway. But to each their own....


Post# 1213319 , Reply# 39   8/29/2024 at 06:11 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Cannot say when Wisk liquid detergent got enzymes, but powdered "Power Scoop" released in early 1990's certainly than them.

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Post# 1213320 , Reply# 40   8/29/2024 at 06:24 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Rinso, Silver Dust, Breeze were all value or bargain brands that Lever Bros. kept around perhaps long than they should. Last two were more well known for product give away items included in box (towels and glass ware mostly) than actual cleaning performance.

Lever Bros did try with Rinso, it got oxygen bleach, bluing agents and at one time loaded with phosphates.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/315533319609QUE...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/256372464677...

Rinso began as a soap powder and there Lever Bros had some success. But once P&G introduced Tide in 1940's sales of Rinso along with every other soap product for wash day went into decline.

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Post# 1213339 , Reply# 41   8/29/2024 at 10:17 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
persil heavy duty

I always thought Persil was a heavy duty laundry detergent that is the rival to Tide. What happened?

Post# 1213340 , Reply# 42   8/29/2024 at 10:37 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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When first introduced Persil knocked Tide out of first place, something that never has happened before. P&G upped their game and Tide was back in top spot and they're determined to never allow it to slip ever again.

Henkel/Dial isn't lacking in resources so it will be interesting to see what if anything they do to regain top position with Persil


Post# 1213345 , Reply# 43   8/29/2024 at 11:03 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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I’d forgotten all about Breeze. I grew up in a household nearly devoid of grocery store brand loyalty. My mom bought whatever was on sale. We had several small—by today’s standard—bath towels and hand towels whose origin was a box of detergent.

Post# 1213348 , Reply# 44   8/29/2024 at 11:13 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Bob- I did the first stained flour sack towel test in cool water this morning on powdered TideMatic (India) detergent. It removed tough coffee, Worcestershire, chocolate syrup, barbecue sauce and ketchup stains, but did not remove hot sauce, Rao’s marinara or mustard. Results were only a little better in cool water rather than warm. Will repeat the test with Tide Pro, Persil Bio (UK), Tide Ultra Oxi, and Miele for Whites powders. Will also test liquid Tide Ultimate Stain Release. I’ll run the tests over the next couple of weeks and post the results all at once.

Will admit that I’ll have to wash the test towel with Clorox liquid chlorine bleach to remove all the stains fully. At any rate, you’re probably best off sticking with your tried-and-true method of using a profile wash for your large, stained loads. I’ll continue to use LCB for heavily stained whites and aerosol Amway Stain Remover for orange/red stains on shirts that detergents seem to struggle with at any temp.




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Post# 1213351 , Reply# 45   8/29/2024 at 11:46 by appnut (TX)        

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Eugene, you amazed me at the tenacity. You have to carry out all of these tests for everyone.

Post# 1213352 , Reply# 46   8/29/2024 at 12:10 by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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I don`t get where this "cold gives better results than warm as long as dedicated cold water detergents are used" believing comes from.
Suppose if a lie is repeated in aggressive advertising for long enough and again and again people will just believe it no matter what.

For decades I`ve been following Warentest`s detergent tests and no matter if it`s powders with oxygen bleach or liquids or pods that rely on enzymes only there hasn`t been one single detergent that did better on a lower temperature.
Not a single one so far, and it`s not like Germans lived behind the times when it comes to chemistry or wouldn`t have access to P&G`s marvelous innovations.
And just for the record, with the exception of the latest test of detergents for delicates (that would be mild or light duty detergents) which have been tested at 30°C only, all tests of "normal" heavy duty detergents have been done at least at two different temperatures so far.

There`s no doubt that you can have decent results at 40°C these days or even OK-ish results at 20°C on lightly soiled stuff but hotter is still better.
They also recommend 50°C minimum for the activated oxy bleach to get going if a traditional powder is used.

PS
reply #23 doesn`t convince me too, but I`ll better start a new thread on this one.




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Post# 1213358 , Reply# 47   8/29/2024 at 13:42 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Stefan- I’ve found my Speed Queen model 7009 front-loader has a few quirks. One of them was discovered after I’d done the initial round of stained kitchen towel tests with it. On the Normal cycle with the max soil level selected, both the warm and hot water temps provide hot water. The warm setting provides 125F (roughly 50C) and hot provides tap hot, which for me is 140-143F (roughy 60C).

In other words, when using the max soil setting on the Normal cycle, there is no true warm water. The cold setting provides tap cold water; cool provides cool water (about 85F or 30C in my particular situation).

HOWEVER…if you select Light, Medium or Heavy soil settings on the Normal cycle, the cold water setting provides tap cold; cool, warm and hot settings all provide cool water.

The round of tests I did soon after acquiring the SQ were actually washed in what is considered hot (125F; roughly 50C) by American standards. This might have caused a premature deactivation of the enzymes in the detergents during the 50-minute wash tumble.

I’m curious to see if there are differences in the results of washing at 125F/50C or washing at 85F/30C.

This quirk of there being no true warm (about 103F in my particular circumstance; about 40C) wash temperatures in the Normal cycle is not seen in the other cycles.

I planned to explain all this when I post the results of the second round of tests in a few weeks, but since the discussion of wash water temperature has come up, I’ll let that cat out of the bag now.





Post# 1213544 , Reply# 48   9/1/2024 at 07:24 by suburbanmd (Maryland, USA)        
Freshness

We find that hotter water leaves laundry smelling fresher when using unscented detergents.

Post# 1213689 , Reply# 49   9/2/2024 at 15:05 by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)        
Hey Eugene!

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Would you please tell us how well the Tide Simply All In One with a score of 48 did on body oil?

Post# 1213718 , Reply# 50   9/2/2024 at 23:44 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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It received a 3 out of 5 on body oil and a 2 out of 5 on salad dressing, another fat-based stain. All other stains were 2/5 except chocolate (3/5) and blood (4/5). Not a great performer.

Post# 1213755 , Reply# 51   9/3/2024 at 14:39 by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)        
Thanks Eugene!

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I guess it's not that great. I was looking at the unscented version of it (same ingredients minus the dye and perfume). What piqued my interest was that it doesn't have OBs or enzymes.

Post# 1215307 , Reply# 52   9/21/2024 at 09:35 by Delco1946 (Oregon)        
Project Farm test laundry detergents!

I love Project Farm on YouTube for all the stuff he will test out, usually things like oils, rust inhibitors etc but looks like he recently tested detergents. TLDR Tide wins with Arm and Hammer taking second.

I’m bummed by how poorly some others did, I really hate the smell of Tide and can’t buy it no matter how well it works.


CLICK HERE TO GO TO Delco1946's LINK


Post# 1215315 , Reply# 53   9/21/2024 at 13:54 by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        
Correction on SA 8 in post #7

I originally reported high suds when used with STPP. In those initial uses, I did not reduce the amount of detergent when used with STPP. When using one Tablespoon with the STPP, the sudsing is very moderate, only at the bottom of the glass in the SQ and it rinses out completely by the third rinse; the water is not slippery at the last drain and final spin.

I would like to add something about pods. I don't like the mandatory dosing, especially since I need less detergent because I add STPP. Pods are formulated for large loads in large machines and I don't wash that way.


Post# 1215863 , Reply# 54   9/30/2024 at 09:28 by lovestowash (St. Petersburg, FL)        
In spite of the ratings...

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Visit a Walmart here in St. Pete after the weekend, and Gain Liquid is almost gone, even with a significant shelf presence.

Post# 1215888 , Reply# 55   9/30/2024 at 15:42 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Gain detergent has a pretty significant (and often loyal) following. Some people just cannot do without its various scents.

IIRC market testing shows Latino/Hispanic consumers prefer highly scented laundry products. In any area with significant populations you tend to see Gain and other scented products move well.

Have seen persons liberally dose Gain detergent at laundromat in washer. Then increase scent more by chucking two or three Gain FS sheets into dryer. All this goes long way in explaining why one wants to stand upwind from some people.

In light of how little it takes to set certain persons off on a hate to ban something am shocked scented dryer sheets haven't been attacked. Either laundries or private homes often wafting scent of dryer sheets is quite powerful. It also cannot be good releasing all those fumes into air for those in close contact. Say living in area where all that dryer air is venting.


Post# 1215927 , Reply# 56   10/1/2024 at 00:27 by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

A lot of Latino/Hispanic consumers of highly scented cleaning products come from areas where perfume is cheaper than bath water. Powerful floral stink means clean in body, laundry and dishes.

Post# 1215965 , Reply# 57   10/1/2024 at 15:37 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
scent

Don't get me wrong. I like nice strong scents, but I prefer it to be a classic scent with some floral, fruity and woody notes. This is noticeable in laundry detergent and fabric softener.


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