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Thread Number: 96601
/ Tag: Detergents and Additives
8 Reasons Using Liquid Detergent Is Better |
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Post# 1213615 9/1/2024 at 16:31 by appnut  (TX) |
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Post# 1213627 , Reply# 1 9/1/2024 at 21:30 by d-jones (Western Pennsylvania (Pittsburgh Area)) |
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Post# 1213641 , Reply# 2 9/2/2024 at 02:36 by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN) |
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Makes me wonder. My mother uses liquid all the time. I was cleaning her Maytag stacked unit and under the agitator was a bunch of yuck. She never washes in cold and didn't go wild with fabric softener.
As far as cleaning ability, I have done my own experiments and liquids eventually make white clothes turn gray. Since we switched to powder for whites nothing has grayed...towels, t shirts, socks, drawers, etc. all are still very white. | ||
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Post# 1213655 , Reply# 3 9/2/2024 at 06:25 by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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Having always used a decent powder for whites
I have become puzzled by some chemical reaction going on that is sending my whites wash hint of PINK??? I do nothing different always used Persil or Ariel in the main wash minimum temp of 60c and let it get on with it. However have noticed that everything has a hint of pink and as I am fastidious and never do a mixed wash whites always on their own, What puzzles me is I cannot find any logical explanation I guess I will have to bleach everything ????
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Post# 1213656 , Reply# 4 9/2/2024 at 07:07 by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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Pink whites 
It could be rust from older zink coated steel water pipes or iron or manganese naturally occurring in the water.
You could try to restore the items by soaking in white vinegar water, but don`t expect a huge success. If the acid is strong enough to work well it might also damage the clothes. Is your water hard? Many discolorations seem to occur hand in hand with a calcium or other mineral build up on clothes. I`d try more detergent or adding a separate water softener as a precaution on new items. | ||
| Post# 1213674 , Reply# 5 9/2/2024 at 11:49 by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
Honestly, despite the marketing, liquid detergents really aren’t that good. The plastic jug is more difficult to recycle than a cardboard box, overall isn’t good for the environment or your machine.
As askolover mentioned, colors and whites have been significantly cleaner and brighter since I’ve been using only powdered detergent for the past 4 years. The only things that are allowed in a plastic jug in my laundry room is fabric softener and bleach, that’s it. | ||
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Post# 1213679 , Reply# 6 9/2/2024 at 12:35 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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detergents I prefer pod detergents because they're easier for me to use as a blind person. | ||
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Post# 1213698 , Reply# 8 9/2/2024 at 17:37 by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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Reply #4
Thank you Mrboilwash you have reminded me we had a load of work done on the water pipes in the street and I have noticed an pinky orange stain in the water of the toilet, Bleach and a brush got rid of that so I think you are right its a mineral deposit. I do tend to use Calgon when I wash but had run out this last few hot cycles.
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Post# 1213703 , Reply# 9 9/2/2024 at 19:00 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Am slowly going off liquid format products and back to powders in my stash. At least far as my H-axis machines are concerened. For manual laundry and or in say the various semi-automatic washers in my collection (of all sizes) things are different. Also take them along on odd washes done at local laundromat for certain reasons.
Speaking of launderettes if one wishes to see how liquid laundry detergents can foul a washing machines look no further. Unless dispensers are cleaned daily (usually not) they are fouled with gobs of slimy laundry liquid. Heaven only knows what coats internal areas one cannot see. Above being said believe P&G along with other laundry detergent makers have done it to us. American market is largely dominated by liquid format products nowadays with few to nil offerings of decent powder products. If one can lay hands on odd box of Tide or Gain at local shops that's saying something. Amazon and other online may prove slightly better but still... | ||
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Post# 1213739 , Reply# 13 9/3/2024 at 09:38 by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Mieles TwinDos is basically the same where detergent and bleaching components are separate. So are many additives, like Ace over here. Stuff just isn't shelf stable if you mix bleaching agents and some of the other components in liquid form. | ||
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Post# 1213745 , Reply# 14 9/3/2024 at 11:57 by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis) |
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I used powdered detergent a lot when I had my conventional direct drive top loader, where I could start the machine and put the detergent in before the clothes. That way the water could be well on its way to dissolving the detergent once the clothes went in. On my new TL, the water doesn't run unless the lid is clothes, plus the washer uses the weight of the load to judge how much water to use on auto sense fill, and since there's no special dispenser on my model, powder has to go in at the bottom of the tub with the dry clothes on top. I'd be worried about the detergent not dissolving all the way, so I switched to pods/liquids. Also, I find clothes stiffer using powder, but maybe that's just in my head. I did find it cleaned very well though.
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Post# 1213750 , Reply# 15 9/3/2024 at 13:05 by Logixx (Germany) |
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liquids can't contain bleach and enzyme | ||
| Post# 1213751 , Reply# 16 9/3/2024 at 13:11 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
As much as I love liquid detergents, I'd like to go back to using powder (preferably Kirkland) once I use up my last jug of liquid Tide. The problem I've noticed not too long ago is that liquids can lose effectiveness of cleaning even if they've never been opened after being stored away for a long time, apparently I've also read the same goes for pods as well. At first I thought it was because Tide kept changing their formula but turns out it was because it just got old. I've even done a side by side test between old and fresh liquid Tide, huge difference. We like buying a whole bunch of detergent and store them cause it's better to have plenty than not enough.
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Post# 1218082 , Reply# 18 11/7/2024 at 03:18 by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Logixx Really now? I always thought some component in the bleaching system in laundry detergents was incompatible with the enzymes in the detergent. That's the way TwinDos is set up at least - the one major difference between 1 and 2 there is one contains enzymes and one dosen't. | ||
| Post# 1218094 , Reply# 19 11/7/2024 at 09:51 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
Great.. I just recently switched from powder to liquid. I've been going through what's left of my powder and alternating with the liquid I have...but my stash isn't big..
To the comment above: I think it's a false statement that basically all liquids contain enzymes. I was wondering if this Purex liquid I bought had enzymes and from the ingredients list it does NOT... So I was looking at different detergents (liquid) and their ingredients and could only find enzymes in the more expensive detergents like Tide, Gain, Persil... but not Arm & Hammer, Purex, etc. About gumming up the machine or dispensers... It's funny, the fabric softener (when I've used it) does that to my dispenser... but not the detergent. I keep my dispenser clean anyway but the FS was terrible about doing that... That was one of my main reasons switching to liquid is because it's just so much easier to find all different kinds of liquids than powder.. | ||
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Post# 1218108 , Reply# 20 11/7/2024 at 13:59 by Logixx (Germany) |
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Henrik
Yes, I don't know how Unilever did it (maybe they encapsulated it) but the gel had bleach and enzymes in it.
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Post# 1218139 , Reply# 22 11/7/2024 at 21:21 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Lifespan of enzymes in oxidizing conditions about 15 to 20 minutes. That's fine for doing a wash, but not so great for shelf life or product stability.
With powder formats oxygen bleaching agent and enzymes are coated, this keeps each out of other's manor so giving decent shelf life. With liquid products obviously this can become an issue. One way is to have two separate chambers; Vanish or someone long ago had a stain remover/booster product with two bottles stuck together. Enzyme stain liquid on one side, liquid oxygen bleach on other. Miele and others with automatic dispensing systems simply keep two apart in different bottles. Regarding liquid laundry products in general they aren't as long lasting (shelf stable) compared to powders. This may explain why job lots of unsold products are being flogged on eBay, various online auction sites and discount stores. Each month vast amounts of unsold laundry liquid, pods, etc... are taken from shelves and sold onto secondary markets. Years ago one had to travel to find job lot stores that sold surplus products. Such places are still about but there is also online. H-Bid and other auction houses have tons of liquid and pod detergents that are shelf pulls from likes of Costco, Target and other such places. What we consider "old" product versus say P&G or Henkel may differ. Professional take is liquid laundry products "expire" after about three to four months on shelves. They may be perfectly good or perhaps have begun to suffer some degradation in power. Scent may not be as strong in bottle and or lasting on fabrics. Cleaning power not same... Those sort of things. Far as many European testing groups are concerned liquid laundry product formats (liquids and pods) are more polluting than powders. Just fact liquids require far more stabilizers and preservatives than powders puts them on that list. Then there is the plastic containers liquid products are sold in and or polymers that pods are made from. | ||
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Post# 1218155 , Reply# 23 11/8/2024 at 06:18 by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Liquid detergents can be fine if used properly
Reply number 19 hi Mark, Pyrex And Arm & Hammer Are terrible detergents hardly worth the plastic bottles they’re packaged in.
If you’re trying to save money and who isn’t, you’re much better off buying store brands such as Aldi premium laundry detergent or Costco’s Kirkland is excellent. There are many ways to save money and still get a top quality product, but national advertised brands that are cheaper usually the worst detergents. John | ||
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Post# 1218171 , Reply# 24 11/8/2024 at 11:39 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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"Pyrex And Arm & Hammer Are terrible detergents hardly worth the plastic bottles they’re packaged in."
Oh I don't know.... Use A&M "free and clear" liquid on bed linen and other not so soiled wash and it does a decent enough job. Nabbed stuff on a BOGOF offer at local Rite Aid combined with sale price came out to only a few dollars. Kirkland powder laundry detergent isn't that much better than A&M, Boardwalk and similar products. Heavy on washing soda and other alkaline substances but not exactly a powerhouse cocktail of enzymes and whatever say like Tide. In fact Kirkland like the rest is a "multi-purpose" detergent. One can wash laundry, clean concrete, floors, etc.. with the stuff. | ||
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Post# 1218172 , Reply# 25 11/8/2024 at 11:42 by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 1218173 , Reply# 26 11/8/2024 at 12:04 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Purex: The reason I bought it was a video I saw... A lady had like 15 detergents... top shelf to bottom... and she was totally SHOCKED at the performance of the Purex liquid... It got an almost top score... and she was dealing with all the gross stuff... baby vomit, food stains, etc with all her testing.... and then I saw another video with similar results... so I decided to at least try it... and after using it, I'm not really sure if I notice anything. I mean, the clothes feel clean. I know how to do laundry properly...but most of the stains I deal with are food oil here and there
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Post# 1218181 , Reply# 27 11/8/2024 at 14:05 by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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Purex and Arm & Hammer offer both types, enzyme and no enzyme detergents.
The no enzymes liquids are high in pH just like powder detergents because they contain washing soda whereas their enzyme containing version`s (while still not being very "top shelf") are much milder in pH almost neutral just like any top shelf liquid detergent would be. Both have their pros and cons. A high pH might be beneficial on certain stains like oil based stains, acidic stains and at odor removal. Downside of a high pH is it can be hard on some types of colors and fabrics in particular elastics come to my mind. Anyway this might explain the Lady`s enthusiasm for Purex. | ||
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Post# 1218188 , Reply# 28 11/8/2024 at 16:58 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Here's another thing... | ||
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Post# 1218190 , Reply# 29 11/8/2024 at 18:18 by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Kirkland powder detergent
Is not a very good detergent we buy it sometimes to wash rags at the shop, but I wouldn’t use it for my own laundry.
Funny thing about how well detergents rinse out arm and hammer and purex rinse out beautifully because you’re not starting with anything. It’s generally very easy to rinse out smaller amounts of detergent and weak detergents. John | ||
| Post# 1218215 , Reply# 30 11/9/2024 at 02:44 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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I don't think I'd go THAT FAR....To me, it doesn't look watered down.. and the clothes come out clean with a slight scent. It's not like you're washing clothes with just plain water. I think I may try Gain when I run out because I know it has enzymes.. and I always liked gain. I noticed on amazon they still make powdered gain..
I also noticed on the samsclub website I saw ERA detergent... remember that? I forgot all about ERA... that was like a liquid detergent before liquid was even a common thing.. Only the price was CHEAP... I'm guessing it's not the same ERA | ||
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Post# 1218221 , Reply# 31 11/9/2024 at 07:39 by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Post# 1218240 , Reply# 32 11/9/2024 at 13:33 by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan & Palm Springs, CA) |
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All of the companies (Henkel, P&G, Unilever, Kao, etc etc etc) make detergents with differing components; on the highest level to make sense for the local conditions/market but also in the cheaper lines to reach their price point and expecation point regarding fragrance, viscosity, etc etc.
A good rule of thumb is that Tide/Persil/Omo/Miele/etc generally gets the all-singing, all-dancing (sic) multi-enzyme (5-6) cocktail together with the truly optimized formula for local conditions. (In North America) the next-tier are the Gain/Cheer/Purex Advanced/All/A&H Power/Seventh Generation with 3-ish enzymes and a slightly diluted/de-optimized local conditions formula The next tier are 0-1 enzymes like Simply Tide/Era/A&H basic/Purex standard/house brands. I'm being a little figurative here, but the point stands----there's an enzyme cocktail for every purse and purpose (thanks General Motors ;) ) Calibrate your detergent to meet your needs and you'll probably do best...every load isn't always needing Tide Ultra Super Mega Max...but washing twice in cheap Purex is no savings either. | ||
| Post# 1218247 , Reply# 33 11/9/2024 at 16:06 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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I think anyone who knows how to do laundry properly... even working with filthy clothes can keep their machine perfectly clean... even if they use cheaper detergents..I mean, I could be wrong... but I don't think I'd blame cheap detergents over the actual user... as almost everyone here knows how many people out there have no clue what they're doing when it comes to laundry
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Post# 1218283 , Reply# 34 11/10/2024 at 14:07 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Have often spoke of laundry "Sinners circle" and four basic principles of washing (time, temperature (water), mechanical action and chemicals.
Whenever one of above parameters is changed the others must also to compensate. That is if wash water temperature is decreased chemical, mechanical and wash time each or all must move as well. Opposite is also true; that is if mechanical action is increased other parameters can decrease. jtmservice.co.uk/blog/sinners-ci... Mechanical action compromises a bulk of what gets wash clean. If one did nothing but beat wet things against a rock they would come clean to some extent. Addition of soap, detergent and or other chemicals simply brings more benefits to party. Given enough mechanical action, proper water temperature and so forth even a "poor" detergent by some people's standards can (and often will) deliver acceptable results. | ||
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Post# 1218302 , Reply# 35 11/11/2024 at 06:01 by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Reply number 34
Very, very true laundress, however, since all of us have the machine we're going to use the only thing we really have choice about is cycle selection, water, temperature, and the most important thing for most of us is the detergent brand and the amount.
It's certainly true that these watered down Products can do an acceptable job if you using enough of them and if you compensate in other ways for their lackluster performance. One of the reasons I know these cheap national brands are lackluster as I have used all of them. People often give me bottles of this stuff because they don't like it when I'm on service call and I'm too cheap just to throw it away. I'm going to use it often just to wash rags with at the shop where I don't really care about perfect results. John | ||
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Post# 1218373 , Reply# 37 11/12/2024 at 14:56 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Not for nothing...
People rag on A&H, Kirkland and other (what they consider BOL) laundry detergents, yet rave about niche high end products such as Molly's Suds, Nellie's and so forth. This as such products are no different really than Kirkland or A&M, least far as powders are concerned. Molly's Suds powder is nothing more than mostly all salts. Washing soda, sodium bicarbonate, etc... Yet people rave about how "clean" it makes their laundry. mollyssuds.com/products/original... As have said obtaining clean wash can be done largely by mechanical action alone. Add bit of chemicals and there you are. I'm done.... | ||
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Post# 1218375 , Reply# 38 11/12/2024 at 15:23 by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Cleaning clothing in water alone
Hi laundress you're certainly correct. You can get many things clean in water alone when you live in an area such as you do where the water is extremely soft most people don't have that advantage and you need to use good detergent to suspend and carry away the soils that are beat out of a clothing.
I always thought it was too bad that consumer reports is located in a soft water area so their detergent testing temperature recommendations and appliance testing of both dishwashers and washing Machines is a little suspect. It doesn't really take into real world situations for most of the country. John | ||
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It's funny... Kirkland and Sams Club members mark liquids (at least from reading the sams club members mark ingredients list) has 3 enzymes.. I can't find the ingredients list for the kirkland liquid but I'm guessing it's the same... and yet these are the absolute cheapest detergents price wise when you consider how much you're getting.. and yet THEY have enzymes while the other cheap ones like regular Purex, Arm & Hammer, etc don't...I wonder why?
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Post# 1218380 , Reply# 40 11/12/2024 at 17:39 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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In common with Sears, Miele and other private label laundry products Costco's Kirkland products are made by someone else.
If said manufacturer is already producing product for themselves or others it's not a huge deal to add another name onto list. Thus key to Kirkland laundry products is to find who (or is it whom?). Church & Dwight (A&H) doesn't produce laundry detergents with enzymes. They've obviously crunched numbers and realized R&D along with other costs in developing such products likely won't be recouped in sales. Thus key to finding out much about backstory on Kirkland's laundry products is learning who they get them from. | ||
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Post# 1218381 , Reply# 41 11/12/2024 at 18:03 by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan & Palm Springs, CA) |
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Beg pardon, there but Church and Dwight/Arm and Hammer absolutely does produce laundry detergent with enzymes.
3 enzymes churchdwight.com/ingredient-disc... 2 enzymes churchdwight.com/ingredient-disc... 2 enzymes in a powder churchdwight.com/ingredient-disc... | ||
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Post# 1218383 , Reply# 42 11/12/2024 at 18:16 by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan & Palm Springs, CA) |
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The HE Butt Grocery Company (giggle) ostensibly creates it's top-shelf private label with Texas washing and water conditions in mind.
www.heb.com/product-detai... Costco, Sams, Walmart, etc specify whatever they think will satisfy their customers at an appropriate price point for whatever product. If that's 3, 4, 6, ... enzymes they'll definitely look for the documentation so they can ballyhoo and promote it. It was said several years ago that Costco/Kirkland top shelf liquid is Persil (which tracks), as Huish/Sun (which Henkel bought years ago) did lots of private labeling. P&G is very reluctant to jeopardize Tide with producing much private label detergent (although their bar soaps like Ivory was until recently actually produced by a private labeler that bought the plant in Ivorydale, OH from P&G). CLICK HERE TO GO TO jamiel's LINK | ||
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Post# 1218387 , Reply# 43 11/12/2024 at 19:11 by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area) |
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I wondered where Ivory is being made now that SBSC has closed. If anyone is wanting to open a soap factory, it's for sale or lease. I go past there frequently. | ||
| Post# 1218389 , Reply# 44 11/12/2024 at 19:47 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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That is so cool to me that they actually take local water conditions into consideration for their formulations... especially a store brand... that's crazy... I had no clue that was even a thing. I wonder if they do the same thing with dishwasher detergents?
I will say this.. Normally I get the big jug of DAWN at costco... but last time we got the big blue bottle (same exact designed bottle) of dish liquid.. only it was kirkland... and I'd swear I'm using Dawn... but it does smell slightly differently. It definitely doesn't feel like you're using that bargain cheap dish liquid... I do remember reading a particular review of the Kirkland liquid detergent in the red bottle.. the lady in the review said she works on a farm or something and that's the only thing that comes close to Tide... so maybe it's like Persil (light) or something? I don't know. I do know if I ever bought one of those Gynormous bottles of detergent, I would keep the bottle I have now and just fill/refill when it gets low and figure out the measurements because I don't like the way those big bottles dispense... Of course it wouldn't matter if your machine had auto dispense | ||
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Post# 1218396 , Reply# 45 11/12/2024 at 23:35 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 1218398 , Reply# 46 11/13/2024 at 03:39 by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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I think just the number of enzymes alone does not tell much about the quality of a detergent.
Enzymes are among the most expensive detergent ingredients and while they don`t get used up in the washing process (they can do their magic over and over again) a higher concentration of enzymes still gives better and quicker results. In the thread about European testing standards we just learned that the "Reference Detergent" to which the others are compared to has to provide 0.5 % Protease enzyme. Some European high end detergents like Henkel`s liquid Persil obviously exceed this amount because they have this mandatory warning on the bottle: "Product contains Subtilisin (Protease), may cause an allergic reaction",whereas somewhat lower performing competitors like Ariel liquid are not required to have it. It`s obvius that bargain brands like Arm & Hammer or Purex or brands that focus on sensitive skin like All keep their formulars way below 0.5 % Protease. But the majority of products from those bargain brands are no enzyme products anyway. Instead of enzymes those products rely on the brute force of high pH levels which may even be a better choice on some specific stains than enzymes in insufficient amounts. Or one could go with a good enzyme based store brand instead and still save money. | ||
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Post# 1218410 , Reply# 47 11/13/2024 at 11:10 by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Reply number 39
Hi Mark, it's no wonder the national brands like pure X arm and hammer, etc. don't have enzymes it's because it's a cheap product and they're paying for national advertising and distribution.
The price you pay for most products does not have anything to do with the quality in many cases, private label brands are almost always a better buy, and they're often a better product when you compare brand-name grocery items to the good store brands the store brands are often better and cost considerably less. Costco is an excellent example of this. I recently just read that Costco's liquid detergent is actually made by Purcell, this does not mean that it's exactly the same formula and Costco detergent might actually be better it certainly is a better buy. I've said before that you can go through my whole kitchen and my whole house and you will probably not find more than two or three brand-name items. It's very rare that I end up with anything with a expensive brand name on it in the grocery area, you don't get to be a millionaire before you are 40 by wasting your money on Overpriced products. My partner and I eat very well very healthy meals. We cook everything from breakfast to dinner from scratch using top-flight ingredients. We never waste money on paper towels, paper napkins don't even buy vacuum cleaner bags, plastic bags for trash, never had anything like a swiffer there's just no need to buy things just to put in the trash and yet the house is clean enough to eat off any floor Our clothing is extremely clean and lasts a long time if you clean clothing thoroughly at lasts much longer. John | ||
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Post# 1218417 , Reply# 48 11/13/2024 at 12:21 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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"Instead of enzymes those products rely on the brute force of high pH levels which may even be a better choice on some specific stains than enzymes in insufficient amounts."
Enzymes also come into play by length of wash cycle. For best performance enzymes need certain minimal contact time. This is generally around twenty minutes or so. Obviously given proper conditions enzymes will go to work soon as wash cycle begins, but optimal or even good results may suffer with short cycles. Unilever and others came up with laundry detergents that will work in "quick cycle" (about 15 minutes) such as Persil's Wonder Wash. wiop.unilever.co.uk/brands/persi... wiop.unilever.co.uk/brands/persi... With short wash cycles chemicals play a more prominent role in wash day. Commercial/industrial laundries have average wash cycle of 8-12 minutes. Hence you still find same powerful chemicals of old still about; washing soda, sodium hydroxide, sodium metasilicate, etc.... If loads are very fouled two or three wash cycles may be needed, though all would be short in time. There has been some movement to get industrial/commercial laundries onboard with enzyme products, but again this would mean often lengthening wash times which in turn extends entire cycle and affects through put. Chemicals can (and have done) nearly same work as enzymes on wash day. However former will often require higher temperatures and over time may lessen fabric life. Hospital laundries for ages got blood out of textiles using nothing more than soap, sodium metasilicate, and sodium perborate. This was done using one or more wash cycles at temps at or > 140 or even 160 F. What soap and pH didn't remove was bleached out by perborate. | ||
| Post# 1218462 , Reply# 49 11/14/2024 at 04:31 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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the cycles I use most on my duet... heavy duty/whitest whites... the wash cycle is EXACTLY 20 min's on both of them... I wonder if the wash cycle length on those is based on enzyme detergents...I would guess so.
I think I've narrowed it down to Gain with Oxi Liquid (has 4 enzymes) Or Kirkland Liquid in the red bottle as the next detergents I'm going to try. then after that.. I might try Persil | ||
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Post# 1218464 , Reply# 50 11/14/2024 at 06:06 by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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These are my main go to detergents
I usually use a half a scoop of the tide powder and a half a dose of the Aldi's liquid for really dirty, large loads, I almost always mix different detergent, in addition I use a half cup of baking soda in the calypso with a cup of bleach to wash the really dirty stuff.
I was told by our resident laundry detergent expert here on the site that this Aldi's formula contains six or seven different enzymes, it's made in Canada. They claim it's comparable to tide. The Aldi's detergent is under seven dollars, I usually pick up the tide at Costco when it goes on sale for about $30 a box. | ||
| Post# 1218493 , Reply# 51 11/14/2024 at 15:46 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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We have an Aldi here.. I think I've only been there a couple of times and I've never even thought about buying detergent there. I wonder how they can make it like Tide so cheaply? I understand it's a store brand and they don't have to advertise.. but still.
Not a big sample size but just a few thoughts... I dunno CLICK HERE TO GO TO mark_wpduet's LINK | ||
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Post# 1218500 , Reply# 52 11/14/2024 at 17:55 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 1218515 , Reply# 54 11/14/2024 at 23:15 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Tandil Ultra Plus from Aldi Nord
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Post# 1218522 , Reply# 55 11/15/2024 at 02:48 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 1218523 , Reply# 56 11/15/2024 at 02:58 by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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Post# 1218526 , Reply# 57 11/15/2024 at 06:25 by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 1218528 , Reply# 58 11/15/2024 at 06:30 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Post# 1218534 , Reply# 59 11/15/2024 at 10:38 by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Aldi's liquid detergent
That we get here is made in Canada.
Hi Mark, I can't believe you haven't tried shopping at Aldi I can go to the local Aldi's buy about 70 items and be home in a half an hour. It's so easy to get through their storage because they're smaller And you can find what you want. You're also saving about 50% compared to the large chains. that's a huge savings. I especially love the fact that you have to put a quarter in to use the shopping cart. It makes a very nice interaction with other shoppers as I often give the cart to somebody else or someone gives me one it also eliminates shopping carts all over the parking lot becausepeople put them away where they belong. If you don't wanna put it away there's usually somebody around that will come and put it away just to get the free quarter, it's a wonderful system that saves a lot of accidents and automobile damage every year. John | ||
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Post# 1218548 , Reply# 60 11/15/2024 at 13:35 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 1218549 , Reply# 61 11/15/2024 at 13:48 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Review of Tandil laundry products sold in USA.
www.aldireviewer.com/tand... www.aldireviewer.com/aldi-tandil... Going by SDS Tandil liquid detergent seems rather common enough ingredient wise. corporate.aldi.us/fileadmin/fm-d... Ingredient list courtesy of Skin Safe Products website: www.skinsafeproducts.com/... What stands out at one is for a brand name product Aldi didn't skimp on enzymes. OTOH in common with many liquid format laundry products stuff is heavy on preservatives. Detergent also contains two known skin sensitizers, sodium borate and propylene glycol. One or both may cause those with sensitive skin or otherwise prone to allergic reactions to have issues. As always it pays to wander about the archives: www.automaticwasher.org/c... | ||
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Post# 1218550 , Reply# 62 11/15/2024 at 14:15 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 1218551 , Reply# 63 11/15/2024 at 14:22 by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 1218552 , Reply# 64 11/15/2024 at 14:52 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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"That is so cool to me that they actually take local water conditions into consideration for their formulations... especially a store brand... that's crazy... I had no clue that was even a thing. I wonder if they do the same thing with dishwasher detergents?"
Nothing new, P&G, Henkel, Lever Bros and anyone else with pretensions to mass production of laundry soaps or detergents long has conducted testing of products in regard to local water conditions in target markets. This explains why on average persons in soft water areas of USA may use less of certain European detergents. Other testing many major laundry detergent makers put their products through is coping with common soils and stains for local market. That is certain stain making things or soils are more common than elsewhere. In UK any decent laundry detergent must be able to cope with curry, beetroot, grass and muck. In France and some other parts of Europe it's red wine. Italy? Various pasta and other sauces made from tomatoes.... | ||
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Post# 1218554 , Reply# 65 11/15/2024 at 15:00 by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 1218555 , Reply# 66 11/15/2024 at 15:04 by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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So US Tandil is made in Canada and has nothing to do with Dalli.
The link to the Dalli ingredients list seems to be for a German Tandil version from like 10 years ago when almost all liquid detergents here including the big name brands were much weaker performing just because consumers still expected them to be inferior to powders. "What stands out at one is for a brand name product Aldi didn't skimp on enzymes" Contract manufacturers like the one in Canada who manufactures for Aldi US or Dalli or McBride or whoever may be under contract in Europe will always produce to the price and quality a purchaser like Aldi demands. A good contract manufacturer also will tailor products exactly to match products that local consumer organisations consider best. And a good retail chain will demand no less! Since Aldi sells very little of the big national brands their own stuff better has to be good to be successful in the long run. However there can be some minor trade offs sometimes. Good scent oils for example just like enzymes are expensive and since they can`t skimp on enzymes to get good ratings and scent is usually not rated in detergent tests it`s no surprise that scentaholics like me need to add Unstoppables or similar when using a top rated store brand like Tandil. "Having never been to an Aldi store in USA much less seen a packet of their detergent cannot say what is what" There should be several Aldi stores within New York`s subway grid. Give it a try, I promise you you won`t regret your purchase there. Well, their chocolate flavoured pop tarts weren`t so great, but just like in their home market in Germany you can usually expect top quality at a fair price in their US stores too. | ||
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Post# 1218559 , Reply# 67 11/15/2024 at 15:39 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Actually there is an Aldi not far from us, but reviews both online and from people one knows who have been aren't entirely positive.
This particular store is located above Costco. When we do shopping at Costco it's generally outside of city where stores are larger, cleaner and of course can simply load things into car. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Launderess's LINK | ||
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Post# 1218560 , Reply# 68 11/15/2024 at 15:49 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Tandil Ultra Plus Washpulver ingredients from Codecheck.com
ZEOLITE SODIUM CARBONATE PEROXIDE SODIUM ALKYLBENZENE SULFONATE TAED CITRIC ACID SODIUM SULFATE ALCOHOLS C10-C18 ETHOXYLATED SODIUM CARBONATE SODIUM ACRYLIC ACID/MA COPOLYMER SODIUM C12-18 ALKYL SULFATE SODIUM CITRATE TETRASODIUM ETIDRONATE POLYETHYLENE GLYCOL POLYESTER CELLULOSE GUM C.I. FLUORESCENT BRIGHTENER 260 PARFUM SODIUM SILICATE DIMETHICONE SUBTILISIN LIPASE GLYCOSIDASE COLOURANT COLOURANT GLYCODIDASE PECTATE LYASE GLYCOSIDASE GLYCOSIDASE www.codecheck.info/p/haus... | ||
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Post# 1218566 , Reply# 69 11/15/2024 at 17:25 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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"If you’re trying to save money and who isn’t, you’re much better off buying store brands such as Aldi premium laundry detergent or Costco’s Kirkland is excellent.
Not everyone lives near an Aldi store. Costco's products are only available at their stores or online but one must have a membership. Costco has been clamping down of late on non-members having access to their stores/online. So if one has to add cost of yearly membership Kirkland products like rest of shopping at Costco may not be good deal money wise. Yes, one can find Kirkland or Aldi products online at say auction houses or discount closeout places. Such offerings are usually shelf pulls (old stock) or perhaps damaged. This and or from various legitimate or not third party sellers which include everyone from pawn shops to thieves selling stolen goods. In such cases one can never be entirely sure what one is getting. Oh and you'll have to pay shipping costs and liquid products don't always come through that process well. All this and more compared to persons who simply can go local shop or supermarket and find Purex, A&H and other such offerings, three guesses which one wins... Even if one goes with Amazon, Walmart, Target or other reputable online shop if there are issues with order or product they can and usually are addressed. Purchase a jug of Kirkland laundry detergent off HBid and it either arrives damaged or doesn't work as should, tant pis, you're out of luck. | ||
| Post# 1218572 , Reply# 70 11/15/2024 at 18:39 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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we have a really nice Costco here.. And 2 Sam's Clubs...One of the Sam's is nice, the other one is really OLD and not as nice as the newer one. There are 3 Aldi's close to me, 2 in Lexington, one in Georgetown... Actually the Georgetown one is probably easiest to get to from my location..
Question: What are the expiration dates typically on, say the Costo Kirkland gynormous jug of laundry detergtent? Is it at least a year or more usually? I hope so. Also, on the Aldi website, they have several detergents. Blue, red and green...and on the blue bottle it stays something about Purex...I'm guessing that's Aldi's version of purex... the red is Aldi's version of Tide and the Green is Aldi's version of Gain? Am I correct with that? If that's true, then the blue bottle wouldn't have enymes? Since Purex itself doesn't Scent Beeds... That's one thing I never got into. I just want laundry to smell clean... I'm not exactly thrilled with the way Purex smells but at least by the time everything is said and done... the smell is so faint and clothes just smell like clean laundry mostly... same with any other detergents I've used. | ||
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Post# 1218573 , Reply# 71 11/15/2024 at 19:14 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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"...and on the blue bottle it stays something about Purex...I'm guessing that's Aldi's version of purex... the red is Aldi's version of Tide and the Green is Aldi's version of Gain? Am I correct with that? If that's true, then the blue bottle wouldn't have enymes? Since Purex itself doesn't"
IIRC and one can see on linked articles posted above "Purex" when used by Aldi only stating for comparison purposes and or otherwise Aldi's products have nothing to do with anything manufactured by Dial Corporation (now owned by Henkel). This is standard copyright legal speak to avoid being sued by owner of said brand. Tandil does *NOT* want to give anyone impression their laundry products are made by or otherwise same as Purex. | ||
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Post# 1218574 , Reply# 72 11/15/2024 at 19:17 by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 1218582 , Reply# 73 11/15/2024 at 21:45 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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From that article above...
Reading the ingredients on the blue, green and red bottles of Tandil... It looks like the green and red bottles (which cost slightly more) are LOADED with enzymes... but the blue (Purex knockoff) doesn't have a huge ingredient list on the back and mentions nothing about enzymes... so my guess would be to avoid the blue bottle of you want better detergent... and go with green or red Tandil. I'm totally going to try both the green and the red. | ||
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Post# 1218587 , Reply# 74 11/15/2024 at 22:42 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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"Compare to "X".."
With some blurb elsewhere such as what Aldi uses "This item is not manufactured or distributed by Procter and Gamble, the distributor and owner of the registered trademark Tide", is CYA legal speak that allows someone (in this case Aldi) to use Tide for comparison or illustration purposes only. Aldi is in no way saying their product is related to P&G's Tide and so on for other products with registered trademarks. | ||
| Post# 1218601 , Reply# 75 11/15/2024 at 23:41 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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| Post# 1219107 , Reply# 76 11/23/2024 at 03:45 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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I got a bottle of Green (Gain) Tandil today! It smells so good. I can't believe how it has a freaking list of enzymes in it...(Subtilisin, Alpha Amylase, Mannanase, Pectate Lyase, Cellulase) Hopefully I'll be OK with it.. measuring cap isn't the best but much MUCH better than the Purex invisible cap.
since I started using liquid...not long ago... the bottle of Purex I noticed didn't even have a safety seal...you just can open it in the store.. same with the Tandil... I guess since it's not a food item? It still bugs me.. | ||
| Post# 1219666 , Reply# 77 11/30/2024 at 23:32 by seedub (South Texas Hill Country) | ||
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Post# 1219686 , Reply# 78 12/1/2024 at 13:29 by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 1219687 , Reply# 79 12/1/2024 at 13:37 by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 1219713 , Reply# 80 12/1/2024 at 20:43 by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 1219714 , Reply# 81 12/1/2024 at 20:45 by appnut (TX) |
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Glenn, it happened rather quickly. Hence I was upset that my nice, great condition Fridgemore door glass was extched pretty badly and impeded me from not being able to see inn as well any longer. And when I got the Duet, I only used Tide detergent, no other bther brand to make sure I would not have the esame result.
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| Post# 1219719 , Reply# 82 12/1/2024 at 22:27 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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I must have missed that post. how crazy! Etching glass door from laundry detergent?
I didn't know you had a FridGEmore appnut I remember those were still on the market when I got my duet.. In fact, I don't think they were on the market much longer (maybe a couple of years) after I bought my duet..I would have LOVED to have one of those | ||
| Post# 1219722 , Reply# 83 12/1/2024 at 23:23 by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
ALDI'S, a best kept secret ~
Once was, thought Aldi's was the dollar store discount version of grocery shopping. Like Cimberlie had one's nose up in the air about it. Then one day my cousin Paul who runs the purse for the three campuses of Erie Community College and wins awards for legendary money management, told me I was just nuts for not shopping at Aldi's especially since it's right next door to the high-priced Wegman's where I regularly shop. He had mentioned this over the years many times, but one this particular day, he told me that Aldi's was owned by the same company that owns Trader Joes.
Comically that was all it took and I ran there. Know that your grocery bill will be slashed by one-third to one half, and it's all quality stuff. I was humbled to silence, as if shopping in church. Oddly enough, I never bought the "SOAP" as we used to call Laundry detergent, thinking it the unworthy exception, (chuckle). Thanks to the wisdom here, I will buy some tomorrow. Like Boilwash, I have been an inveterate scentaholic too, and have sampled every manner of soap all my life. Dash with a small dose of powdered Calgon added, the Original Gain powder, liquid Foca, Ariel Powder are favorites then and now that come first to mind although the first two are inobtainium. Recently, owing to Jon Charles's deep dive into Professional Tide, and the regular mention of imported Persil powder, I am smitten with the scents of both. Like most if not all of you, I switch it up as the spirit moves me, and appreciate both powders and liquids. Having been off the board for a while, it was tons of fun to end the Thanksgiving recess here, seeing old friends having a good time talking about soap. | ||
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Post# 1219739 , Reply# 85 12/2/2024 at 06:03 by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Shopping at Aldi
We are very fortunate there is an Aldi's and a Costco about 1 mile away from where we live makes it very easy to get top quality stuff at reasonable prices either in small or large quantities.
I have used Aldi's liquid dishwashing detergent and their tablets both seem to work quite well. I use the dish dishwashing detergent in the pre-wash cup and the tablets in the closed cup. Up until about two years ago, the Aldi's liquid dishwasher detergent still had chlorine bleach in it, but it seems to have gone away. Currently, I'm using Kirkland's dishwasher tablets. They're a little cheaper because of the large quantity at Costco, but I use Aldi's liquid in the pre-wash cup. Our water is around seven grains of hardness. I don't find any liquid or powdered dishwasher detergent. That will do a great job. You need to have soft water to use these products. The tablets work much better with slightly hard water like we have. Overall, I find all the extremely convenient. The store is compact. I can go in and get everything I want fill a shopping cart all the way up only spend about $200 have everything back home often and barely a half an hour and put away very pleased with the quality of their merchandise. My father was a grocery merchandiser all his life. He used to talk about the ideal grocery store as being like an Aldi's. It should be compact. You shouldn't have 10 different choices of ketchup. You should only have the store brand, if he were still alive. I'm sure he'd be a big Aldis fan. John | ||
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Post# 1219747 , Reply# 86 12/2/2024 at 09:57 by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 1219750 , Reply# 87 12/2/2024 at 11:47 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Haven't tried Aldi but I have tried Costco dishwasher pods (and I have hard water) No water softener..
I have learned this about them with my water conditions... They work BETTER than Finish Quantum.. Can you believe it? I couldn't. But they do.. The thing I notice most about them is not that they do in fact clean the dishes really well, as does the Finish Quantum... only, the finish quantum leaves a haze on my stainless dishwasher (but not the dishes.. weird I know)... while the Kirkland doesn't.. The only thing I wish they would change is that they just made the Kirkland unscented... you don't need scent in dishwasher detergent. | ||
| Post# 1219765 , Reply# 88 12/2/2024 at 17:06 by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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Uncle Bob, If I may ~
The liquid versus powder-- and the strength vis-a-vis dosing--discussion reminded me of a thread months back about rinsing. Members were talking about deep versus overflow rinsing, and I distinctly remember thinking only Bob will know for sure which machines did NOT overflow, because the operation of individual machines and exact content of each cycle is your specialty. Alas, I did not have chance to participate, and can't find the thread.
In other words, the landslide majority of washers originally did overflow, with the notable exceptions of WP/KM, Maytag and GE/Hotpoint. So before perf-tub Deep Rinsing took over, Overflow Rinsing was the norm. Just think of Norge, Easy, Speed Queen, Frigidaire, and so many more. So I ask you Bob, how many brands can you remember overflowing, and the brands too weak, lol, to pull of such a dramatic laundry sequence. Thank You Michael | ||
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