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Thread Number: 96609
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Post# 1213686 9/2/2024 at 14:46 by appnut  (TX) |
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There's a part of me that's like, I cannot believe I'm asking y'all this. I'm coming to the end of my boxes of powdered Tide and Tide w/Bleach Alternative. So I'm pondering wanting to use some of the "newer" stuff. I'm considering Tide Professional and Tide Ultra Oxi. What I've been able to surmise is Professional is an excellent all around detergent and does best using warm to tempid for just about everything except grease/oil. Amd Ultra Oxi has gotten very good reviews too. I"m not a slaave to having tons of detergents and I find it kind of expensive in some ways. It waws a stretch for me to use the 2 I have been using. Part of me would love to settle on one that's best for just about all my laundry. But that might be impractical. Oh, and BTW, I've been using these two boxes The Tide w/Bleach alternative was bought in late 2021. And the regular Tide powder was late 2021 or early 2022 after having to go through the Tide Ultra Clean liquid after having to get the new LG washer in late 2021.
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Post# 1213699 , Reply# 2 9/2/2024 at 18:05 by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 1213700 , Reply# 3 9/2/2024 at 18:41 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Bob- We like Tide detergents—or at least some of them—so I don’t think you can go wrong with either Tide Professional or Tide Ultra Oxi powders. I’ve found that the suds from Ultra Oxi breaks down a bit better during the drain and first spin. On the other hand, from what I’ve seen come out of the washer, I think Pro removes stains a bit better. I’ll know more when I’ve done the stained kitchen towel tests. In fact, I’ll do those two detergents first. Too bad the Tide Pro is only available in a 155 load box.
I find using between 30-50g of detergent—about 2 to 3 1/2 tablespoons—depending on the size and soil level of the load works well in the Speed Queen. Sometimes 50+g will trigger the suds removal protocol, but not often. Following a link from your “8 Reasons Liquid Detergents Are Better” article, I ran across a fairly well rated detergent sheet called Freddie, with protease enzymes. Ordered a box of the frosty mountain scent and one fragrance free. Interested to see how they work. If they’re crap, I’ll use them for lightly soiled loads. Here’s a link to the ingredients list at the Freddieco website for those interested. Calling Launderess! freddieco.com/pages/ingredients... | ||
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Post# 1213760 , Reply# 4 9/3/2024 at 16:22 by Gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA) |
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Bob---- I have been using the Tide Oxi powder for a few months now and I have to say it is really doing a good job. I have finally broken my old habit of hot washes for everything. I rarely use Clorox anymore. I am very impressed. | ||
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Post# 1213767 , Reply# 5 9/3/2024 at 16:58 by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 1213768 , Reply# 6 9/3/2024 at 17:35 by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis) |
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I'm currently using Tide Clean Breeze liquid. I enjoyed the Tide Ultra Oxi powder when I had it, but I don't know how to use powder in my current TL washer, since it doesn't have separate dispensers and I can't add the powder to the water while filling. If I had a front loader, I'd probably use powder as many of you do.
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Post# 1213769 , Reply# 7 9/3/2024 at 17:38 by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis) |
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Note: I know I've complained in the past about the smell of Ultra Oxi, but in my experience, that's just in the pods, and just the regular pods at that. The odor eliminator pods are fine. Just don't ever get the regular-sized ultra oxi pods as the smell is repulsive, chemical, and nauseating. At least, I find it so.
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Post# 1213791 , Reply# 8 9/3/2024 at 21:54 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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tide odor oxi I find that Persil Advanced Clean ultra pacs smell miles better than Tide odor oxi. I haven't looked back. They do dissolve quickly and produce very little suds. | ||
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Post# 1213953 , Reply# 9 9/5/2024 at 20:52 by appnut (TX) |
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the Tide Professional arrived yesterday and I just unpacked it from its shipping box. I used the last of the Tide Regular and Tide w/Bleach Alternative this afternoon.
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| Post# 1216798 , Reply# 10 10/16/2024 at 09:26 by mwill1116 (Knoxville, TN) | ||
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Frigilux—- Have you reached a verdict on the detergent sheets from Freddie? I noticed their Frosty Mountain scent and I’m curious to see their performance. I’m currently on the hunt for a Mountain/Alpine scented detergent that cleans. | ||
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Post# 1216805 , Reply# 11 10/16/2024 at 10:20 by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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Ryne,
My machine is essentially the same as yours. When I use powder or liquid detergent I always add it to the bottom of the tub first, then add the laundry to be washed on top of it. I’ve been using Ariel 2X power powdered detergent for the last 3 mo or so and I LOVE it! Doesn’t over suds, cleans everything thoroughly and is especially effective in removing oil and grease stains. It also rinses out well too with no traces of detergent left on the completed loads. Plus, it’s very economical too. Since it comes in a 17 lb bag that is somewhat unwieldily I pour the detergent in to a large Rubbermaid plastic canister and keep a 1/4 measuring cup in the canister for measuring out the detergent. For full to the top of the basket loads I use 1 cup, 3/4 full loads 3/4 cup, 1/2 loads 1/2 cup. It has a pleasant scent too. I’d been using Tide 10X Heavy Duty liquid before this for about a year and I liked it but it os pretty expensive so I gave the Ariel a try and I don’t think I’ll be going back to liquid detergent again. Eddie | ||
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Post# 1216876 , Reply# 12 10/17/2024 at 18:47 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 1216883 , Reply# 13 10/17/2024 at 21:10 by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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Post# 1216892 , Reply# 14 10/18/2024 at 00:51 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 1217054 , Reply# 15 10/20/2024 at 07:42 by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Best way to add detergent to a washer load
If you have a top load washer that does not have a recirculation pump and has an electric drain pump. You should add the detergent on top the clothing or of course if there’s a detergent dispenser put it there, if you pour liquid detergent into the machine before the clothing goes in it may run down into the sump and some of it may not get into the wash load and just be wasted.
If you’re using a pod, it can be loaded in the bottom of the tub and then the clothing put in this applies to both front load and top load washers for front load washers again you should always use the detergent dispenser for liquids and powders it varies by machine but this is good general Advice. John | ||
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Post# 1217057 , Reply# 16 10/20/2024 at 08:30 by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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The owners manual from the last three TL’s that I’ve owned ALL say to put the detergent in the BOTTOM of the tub before adding the laundry, NOT on top of the clothing. I can follow directions.
I believe this advice is because newer TL’s have flow restrictors that don’t allow the fill water to gush in rapidly enough to thoroughly dissolve the detergent right away. Eddie | ||
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Post# 1217066 , Reply# 17 10/20/2024 at 10:06 by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Appliance manufacturers are not always right
Having worked in this field a long time we see mistakes all the time that manufacturers make many people on this site, including you, Eddie, know more than many manufacturers.
It’s simply common sense that if you sprinkle the detergent on top of the clothing and as the water goes down through the clothing as the tub slowly turns and fills with water you’re going to get more detergent, action in the clothing and more cleaning time and less possible waste of detergent, especially liquid detergents. John | ||
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Post# 1217074 , Reply# 18 10/20/2024 at 12:14 by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis) |
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Reply #17
When I had my Whirlpool direct drive TL, I always started the washer filling, added detergent, and then put in the clothes. With my current TL I can't do that because the machine stops filling as soon as the lid is opened. However, I still try to do as close to that by putting detergent in the bottom of the tub. I then add clothes, close the lid and start the washer. Didn't realize that was the incorrect way to do it, guess you learn something new every day.
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| Post# 1217076 , Reply# 19 10/20/2024 at 12:52 by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
Lead balloon incoming lol
I've been using these products for the last few years with really good results:
tinyurl.com/Care-RenewLD... This detergent is one of the few left I've found that includes 'cellulase' to help prevent and break down pilling on organic fabrics. Been using this for whitening. Works great on the Whites cycle with steam. tinyurl.com/mollysudzz... | ||
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Post# 1217081 , Reply# 20 10/20/2024 at 13:22 by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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“Having worked in this field a long time we see mistakes all the time that manufacturers make many people on this site, including you, Eddie, know more than many manufacturers.”
Well John, I just looked at the owners manual for your beloved Speed Queen TL’s and it says explicitly to place the detergent in the BOTTOM of the tub, then add the clothes, just like the manuals of ALL the other TL’s. So I guess you know more than Speed Queen. Back in the good old days when TL’s didn’t have flow restrictors that limit the incoming flow of fill water it certainly made sense to add the detergent on TOP of the laundry after putting in into the tub. The fast fill would quickly devolve the detergent so it could disperse evenly with the laundry. Now, washing machines fill slowly and sporadically, often stopping to adjust the rate of hot versus cold water to satisfy the auto temp control. Adding the detergent on top of the laundry can result in a paste of powdered detergent sitting on the clothes during the fill process before agitation begins which could cause stains on darker clothing. Adding the detergent at the bottom of the tub insures that the water filling the tub will drain down to the bottom of the tub, into the outer tub and mix with the detergent insuring that it is evenly mixed with the water by the time agitation begins. You do it your way and I’ll follow the instructions of the manufactures. Eddie | ||
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Post# 1217087 , Reply# 21 10/20/2024 at 14:22 by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis) |
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Reply #20
Eddie, your logic of proper detergent placement in these modern TL washers is what I've always figured as well. I've lifted the washer lid during agitation occasionally, and the detergent certainly seems to be sufficiently mixed with the washwater, after putting it at the bottom of the tub before the cycle.
I'm not sure if your machine does this, but mine will fill to a very low level while spinning the tub every few seconds. I'm guessing that's the sensing process, as the fill will stop for approx. 30 seconds, and then resume. During this second fill phase, the agitator moves in short bursts every few seconds until the desired fill level is reached, at which time full agitation begins. Bulky and superwash cycles do not perform this sequence, instead just filling to the top uninterrupted, presumably because these cycles don't have a sensing process to complete. In any case, I always feel like the spinning and short agitations during the fill gets the detergent properly mixed in with the washwater, so I've always trusted the manufacturers instructions on where to place detergent. | ||
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Post# 1217088 , Reply# 22 10/20/2024 at 14:38 by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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Post# 1217095 , Reply# 23 10/20/2024 at 16:02 by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Add detergent to Speed Queen top loaders
On the TR models, it should be added to the top of the clothes load that way the concentrated detergent settles down through the clothing while it’s filling, I would do the same on the TC models, but it really doesn’t matter on those because they have a motor driven pump that runs in reverse and there’s no risk of losing any of the detergent.
Obviously, you can do it either way, and it will probably work pretty well, however, the manufacturers are wrong. It does work better if you put it on top of the clothing, so the detergent can settle through the clothing as the warm water fills into the machine. John | ||
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Post# 1217115 , Reply# 24 10/20/2024 at 21:34 by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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 F&P states to add detergent into the hollow centerpost of agitator models where it mixes with the water during fill and the Eco Active pretreatment ... or during agitation if Perm Press or the Traditional Wash option is selected. AquaSmart has a flush-through detergent dispenser, and also mixes during Eco Active. There are one or more recirculation periods during agitation on most of the cycles even if Eco Active isn't performed. | ||
| Post# 1217120 , Reply# 25 10/20/2024 at 22:58 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
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Post# 1217123 , Reply# 26 10/20/2024 at 23:10 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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detergent loading I put the detergent on the bottom of the tub, then add clothes and start the machines. The washer still mixes the detergent without issues. I believe the clothes are lifted due to the amount of water in the tub. | ||
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Post# 1217124 , Reply# 27 10/20/2024 at 23:12 by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 1217128 , Reply# 28 10/20/2024 at 23:56 by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.)) |
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Detergents:
I have been using Tide with a touch of Downy in my SQ FL for a few years now. I could not be happier with the results. Laundry always comes out clean and fresh and after drying is soft and very lightly scented of Softener. No buildup in the dispenser and economical to use as a little bit goes a long ways and you don't need a separate FS. It plays nicely with FL machines IMO.
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Post# 1217159 , Reply# 29 10/21/2024 at 16:53 by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York) |
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Post# 1217202 , Reply# 30 10/22/2024 at 12:08 by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 1217212 , Reply# 31 10/22/2024 at 15:13 by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York) |
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Thank you, Bob.
The prices on AMZ are all over the map. The normal high price is $54+. I paid $46.74 for it, and the price dropped today. I'm a little upset that the box leaked from the un-tape areas. Also, I did my first load with this detergent, using 2 TBS, and the water was very slippery to the touch. The scent is strong compared to other Tide products.
Thanks again.
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Post# 1217213 , Reply# 32 10/22/2024 at 15:40 by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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Post# 1217215 , Reply# 33 10/22/2024 at 15:46 by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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btw the box isn't plastic lined. Mine hasn't leaked out but the smell certainly does. I actually offered it to my neighbor but she declined after smelling it and she likes things like Glade plug ins etc. I won't use it at all on my sheets and pillow cases and use it sparingly on regular washes with added extra rinses.
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Post# 1217592 , Reply# 34 10/29/2024 at 10:15 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Bob- Just wanted to check in to ask for your thoughts on powdered Tide Professional now that you’ve had a few weeks to get acquainted with it. I really like it. It’s a top-notch cleaner and the scent doesn’t bother me. It’s fairly strong straight from the box, but there’s barely any residual scent when items emerge from the dryer.
If I had to choose one powdered US detergent to use, it would be Tide Professional. | ||
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Post# 1217594 , Reply# 35 10/29/2024 at 10:33 by appnut (TX) |
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Eugene, I love it. Have been really impressed. I think somewhere in the original thread(s) discussion the product, it's formulated to perform best with warm water. The limited thus far expsoure to difficult stains, it's performed flawlessly. And rinses well. As such, my two go to cycles are towels and perm press for the rest of laundry. Those two cycles use lots of water and warm wash temp as default. In a lot of ways laundry has been vastly simplified compared to my almost OCD approach of the proper temperature and cycle for the various sorts of loads
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Post# 1217672 , Reply# 36 10/30/2024 at 19:37 by jakeseacrest (Massachusetts) |
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Post# 1217673 , Reply# 37 10/30/2024 at 19:40 by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 1217806 , Reply# 38 11/1/2024 at 20:04 by Labboy (SD, CA) |
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I’ve really grown to like Miele UltraWhite. Probably the best detergent for white fabrics that I’ve ever used. Super concentrated. It makes me wonder about the dosing directions on the Miele package. I’d never be able to get good rinsing if used that dosing. My water is 14-15 gr/gal so pretty hard and I still need to use very little.
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| Post# 1217842 , Reply# 39 11/2/2024 at 23:21 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
do any of you use baking soda with your laundry detergent? I only ask because I found a huge bag of Arm & Hammer baking soda from costco unopened... I've been adding about 1/2 cup in the drum and then my regular detergent in the dispenser... and then vinegar in the rinse dispenser.. I really just wanted to get through the big bag of baking soda and I'm kind of surprised but I think it makes a difference...
I'm also almost out of laundry detergent. I'd say I have a month's worth left and I have NO clue what I'm going to try next. | ||
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Post# 1217845 , Reply# 40 11/3/2024 at 00:59 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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This post has been removed by the member who posted it. This post was last edited 11/03/2024 at 01:07 | ||
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Post# 1217853 , Reply# 41 11/3/2024 at 08:31 by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Can't say how much of this is legitimate and how much may be P&G product promotion. Washing Clothes with Baking Soda and Vinegar | ||
| Post# 1217866 , Reply# 42 11/3/2024 at 13:46 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Post# 1217870 , Reply# 43 11/3/2024 at 14:39 by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 1217874 , Reply# 44 11/3/2024 at 16:34 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Baking Soda In The Wash
Whirlpool says...
www.whirlpool.com/blog/wa... P&G however is not really a fan of either baking soda or vinegar in the wash. tide.com/en-us/how-to-wash-cloth... | ||
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Post# 1217875 , Reply# 45 11/3/2024 at 17:11 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Quite honestly one finds when using top shelf laundry detergents one doesn't really need to add any such "booster" product.
For stain removal on whites or colours when one is using liquid or other products that do not contain bleach (oxygen), then will add, otherwise find really isn't necessary messing about with a pinch of this or bit of that. Miele Ultra White, Persil, and so forth do very well on their own. This post was last edited 11/03/2024 at 18:20 | ||
| Post# 1217884 , Reply# 46 11/4/2024 at 05:12 by angus (Fairfield, CT.) | ||
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Consumer Reports (I know, many feel they have no credibility anymore), also cautions against using vinegar in a washing machine. I never bothered with it myself as I never felt it did anything productive, but that's just me. | ||
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Post# 1217896 , Reply# 47 11/4/2024 at 12:24 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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baking soda and vinegar I don't use baking soda or vinegar in my wash. I use laundry detergent and fabric softener. I also use that and bleach with my whites and hot water. I'm old school when it comes to doing laundry. | ||
| Post# 1218073 , Reply# 48 11/6/2024 at 21:12 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Over the years I've read this vinegar debate over and over... and some will swear it's not bad for the washer while others say it will destroy it... Me? I've used it for 20 years in my washer and it hasn't harmed it.. I mean, Imagine if you put the max amount in... Say, you fill the bleach dispenser and the FS dispenser to max fill with vinegar...that vinegar is going to be so diluted to the point it probably won't even phase the washer... To be honest, I don't even know if the vingear is even doing anything...but I like using it better than FS...so I use it..... In my mind I'm not using it to necessarily "soften" the clothes... but more like a rinse agent
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Post# 1218077 , Reply# 49 11/6/2024 at 23:12 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Acetic acid attacks rubber and some other polymers. Over time O-rings, seals and other components of washing machines (or dishwashers) made from same can be harmed or compromised.
mykin.com/rubber-chemical-resist... You don't often if at all see acetic acid used for laundry sours, descaling or other uses for acidic substances, and there are good reasons for this. Citric and other acids OTOH are chosen for good reasons. No, 1/4 cup of 5% acetic acid (white vinegar) diluted into ten or more gallons of rinse water may or may not cause harm to washing machine. However that same amount sitting in dispenser drawer exposes seals and other bits made from polymers to full affect of said acid. | ||
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