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Post# 1215058   9/18/2024 at 10:16 by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Post# 1215065 , Reply# 1   9/18/2024 at 11:51 by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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So much competition in the plastic food container business. Every store you go in has oodles of different makes and brands for less. May not be as good and maybe less expensive but price sells a lot more these days I think

Post# 1215075 , Reply# 2   9/18/2024 at 14:54 by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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Yes shocking that Tupperware just hadn't been bought out...

 

There have since been many, many competitors in the plastic storage business for food and other durable goods... Like, look at Rubbermaid, which was the brand I'd seen quickly follow...

 

Someone at this point, Sealed Their Fate...

 

 

 

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Post# 1215086 , Reply# 3   9/18/2024 at 16:27 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Tupperware's problems in good part stem from two issues; their prolonged insistence on direct sales and fact younger generation (among others) have launched a hate against plastic.

Tupperware only recently began doing retail sales (Target stores). They face competition from likes of Rubbermaid and various cheaper imports largely from Asia.

Hate against plastic is what it is and will be a larger nut to crack.




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Post# 1215118 , Reply# 4   9/19/2024 at 00:10 by William8 (Michigan)        

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Sterilite makes much better products, silicone seals, and easy snap closures. More durable, made in the USA, and half the cost.

I'm surprised Tupperware lasted this long, they've been declining for years:
www.cnn.com/2023/04/23/bu...


Post# 1215128 , Reply# 5   9/19/2024 at 04:08 by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

They've tried restructuring and apparently failed.

Funny enough, I can still enter their online store and could start an order through my employers shopping discount portal, even with that discount.



It's also really interesting some of their most popular products just have vanished.
And they are just way to expensive for what they are.


Post# 1215181 , Reply# 6   9/19/2024 at 20:33 by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Tupperware going away

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I never liked the stuff I always found the lids were difficult to use. Most of the competitors products were better and a whole lot less expensive

Now that everybody is trying to get away from using plastic at all they would definitely have to reinvent themselves with a better (different) product.

John


Post# 1215182 , Reply# 7   9/19/2024 at 21:05 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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"Now that everybody is trying to get away from using plastic...."

While that is what is being put out, market details tell a different story.

Rubbermaid, Glad Zip-Loc, Pyrex, OXO Good Grips and others are doing good business in plastic storage containers of all sorts and purposes.

www.epicurious.com/expert...

Tupperware like Avon before it has an image issue along with sticking to long outdated methods of marketing/sales.

It isn't 1950's, 1960's or even 1970's any longer. Women have far better things to do with their spare time and or to even earn money than host Tupperware parties.

In today's digital age both men and women can simply go online and order whatever storage solution they need or want. This coupled with Tupperware not really having a modern "influencer" or whatever promotion and advertising.

Tupperware is as relevant to modern young women as whalebone corsets.
















Post# 1215183 , Reply# 8   9/19/2024 at 21:16 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Growing up recall when Mother like nearly every other mom in our area had Tupperware parties. It was a big deal. House was scrubbed from top to bottom, invitations went out, place decorated, refreshments prepared... We kids were banished to grandparents or some other house for sleep over to be out of the way.

Also recall Mother like the aunts, grandmothers and other women were very protective of their Tupperware. If something was taken to a home in a Tupperware container there was heck to pay if it didn't come back with owner. Ditto or perhaps someone wanted to take leftovers home and required a container.

There were often bitter arguments or harsh words when one woman spied her Tupperware in another's kitchen and asked (or rather demanded) its return.

Recall as well cupboards or drawers full of lids or bits that were orphaned because whatever container they went with no longer existed.

Plastic being what its meant something too close to a heat source (including heating element of dishwasher) suffered damage.

Tupperware was comparatively dear in cost for what it was, and more to point there was only really one way to purchase, via Tupperware dealer. As with Amway, Avon and rest of such things there usually was some sort of pressure to upsell so you may have ended up only needing a replacement bowl, but came away with other things you really may not have needed.


Post# 1215191 , Reply# 9   9/19/2024 at 22:22 by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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Well as far as getting away from excessive use of plastic goes, I see too many examples that make it impossible...

And don't start on the young generation nor even our current oldest either... One wants too many plastic bags, the other wastes what can be still used or reused, or just reuse...

As for one of my mom's friends, she was the first locally to champion the neighborhood Tupperware parties...

And perhaps after just that being introduced to the marketed-to public, just before the afore-mentioned demise of...



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Post# 1215193 , Reply# 10   9/19/2024 at 23:22 by qsd-dan (West)        

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In the early to late 80's, our "Tupperware" were old butter and (shivers) margarine containers.

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Post# 1215212 , Reply# 11   9/20/2024 at 01:33 by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

My mother did the Tupperware thing in the '60s&'70s, still have a lot stored in a basement closet.  Never use plastic for storage anymore, have a set of Corning-ware grab-its been using for decades.


Post# 1215240 , Reply# 12   9/20/2024 at 10:56 by bpetersxx (laf in on the banks of the Wabash River)        

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number 10

I do that too

I have butter tubs that i cut Imperial margarine in

easier to do and cheaper than more tub butter

Oh does anyone have the four leg salt and pepper set


Post# 1215252 , Reply# 13   9/20/2024 at 12:45 by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        
Lady June on Designing Women

I remember this episode when Charlene got hooked on selling these cleaning products and the rest of the Sugarbaker crew were trying to rescue her when this side hustle seemed to be taking over her life. While they were talking to her, the founder came in. She explained that when she started the business, most women did not have a way to earn a living and still maintain their roles as wives and mothers. She told Charlene that she would never coerce someone to remain in her business if it made her uncomfortable or interfered with her other duties. The show did illustrate multilevel marketing where saleswomen got points for bringing other women into the sales force. That was one thing when many women did not have jobs outside of the home, but that situation changed over time. I remember coworkers having catalogue parties in the 70s, 80s, and on into the 2000s where there were no parties, but you placed your orders which went in as one big order so individuals were saved the service charge and the lady brought our orders to work. Now days you can buy Amway through Amazon or directly from Amway reps online which reflects a change in their marketing platform. I remember getting a catalogue from a colleague at work when I found out that she was selling their stuff. I went online and used her code so that she got credit. I found Hathaway shirts on the site and bought a couple at a time when the quality of shirts from Land's End was sinking. I wonder what Avon is doing now.

There were many Tupperware sales reps who catered to specific audiences. Our LGBT Synagogue had a Tupperware party and the lady who ran the thing was a lot of fun and enjoyed herself along with the attendees. I don't remember if alcohol was served, but I have heard that it really helped boost sales. In the 50s and into the early 60s, Tupperware parties gave an excuse for a Girls Night Out and conversations veered far away from the kind heard in other gatherings like PTA or church groups. The lady who helped get the party concept going when sales were dismal was fucked over by male management. I am wondering if the current state of affairs is Karma visiting Tupperware along with other factors like changing times and inflexible management combining with bad management decisions like has happened to Sears Roebuck and the demise of department stores in general. Everything changes; it's just a question of how fast.


Post# 1215257 , Reply# 14   9/20/2024 at 14:47 by RP2813 (Sannazay)        

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My mom threw a number of Tupperware parties when I was a kid.  She was an early adopter and accumulated a substantial number of pieces.  We kids were particularly fond of the popsicle makers. 

 

Dave and I had some Tupperware pieces but we both agreed that it took up too much cabinet space and chucked all of it when we moved.  My sister happily took all of my mom's Tupperware, a good portion of which was +/- 50 years old and still in functional condition.  She still has all of it AFAIK, with several pieces that still have the image of the Tupper Seal on their lids.

 

I heard a story on NPR yesterday about millennials and younger individuals having no idea that Tupperware was a brand, and instead thought it was just a term used for any sort of plastic container.  We'll see how long "Tupper" or "Tupperware" takes to disappear from the food storage vernacular.  We've already witnessed the fading of "Xerox" in our lifetimes and I'm sure there are many others that don't immediately come to mind.  I think "Kleenex" and "Hoover" will be with us indefinitely.  That's a topic for another thread, though.


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Post# 1215259 , Reply# 15   9/20/2024 at 16:41 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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"The lady who helped get the party concept going when sales were dismal was fucked over by male management."

Sad story of Browine Wise is still taught today in MBA and other business schools.

Ms. Wise was one who largely came up with direct marketing and built up Tupperware into what it became by late 1950's. Ed Tupper (founder of Tupperware) and other suits (all white males) weren't happy with Browine Wise having all that glory and former snatched his company back from latter basically kicking her to the curb.

For all her hard work, effort, time and so on Ms. Wise was left with absolutely nothing.

Ed Tupper after getting shot of Ms. Wise promptly sold Tupperware to Rexall for $16 million, divorced his then wife, surrendered US citizenship and moved to Costa Rica to avoid paying taxes.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownie_Wi...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Tuppe...

In keeping with common theme of the age nearly nil or all of obituaries or other tributes to Ed Tupper at time of his death or long time afterward mention it was Ms. Wise who largely built up Tupperware into what it became.

www.nytimes.com/1983/10/0...






Post# 1215261 , Reply# 16   9/20/2024 at 16:48 by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        

We had a few pieces when I was younger, that my mom got at parties hosted by her friends or our neighbors. We had the cake carrier, pie saver, a measuring cup/pitcher, half gallon pitcher, and a couple small bowls.

Interestingly enough, a couple of the neighbors never had Tupperware or other plastic storage, but glass (Pyrex) storage containers, metal cake carriers, and glass or ceramic bowls.

I might have a piece or two of it left, but it tended to become brittle and crack over time. Both the pitchers cracked and leaked after a while. What I do have is a couple Cambro storage containers, which are NSF listed, and made of hard plastic - polycarbonate I think. Those are about 35 years old, and still like new.


Post# 1215262 , Reply# 17   9/20/2024 at 16:52 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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PBS ran a great documentary on Tupperware and Browine Wise.

As a single (divorced) mother Ms. Wise knew very well how things went. Basically either a woman came out on top or it was just too darn bad.

Employment opportunities for women in 1950's were pretty much dismal, this even for those with post secondary degrees. There were of course the pink ghetto jobs (nursing, teaching, office work, etc..) or retail sales, domestic service and so forth. None of them exactly were well paying and even then places discriminated against women in many ways. This included having outright bans on hiring divorced or even married women and certainly those with children of either status.

www.pbs.org/video/america...

www.pbs.org/video/american-exper...


Post# 1215263 , Reply# 18   9/20/2024 at 17:01 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Other big players early on in Tupperware were Mr. and Mrs. Thomas M. Damigella.

www.bostonglobe.com/metro...

www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperie...

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Post# 1215283 , Reply# 19   9/20/2024 at 20:08 by johnb300m (Chicago)        
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I'll just leave my thoughts here, and not try to convince anyone of anything, since this feels like a 3rd rail topic.

My hatred of plastics came from working with lots of it in product development, and learning about how UN-recyclable it is. Learning how much of a farce the recycling symbol is.
Even working with our own product plastics, in our own molding dept, we couldn't truly "recycle" our plastic.
For many reasons being, all the additives they need to have for the initial product definition.
Things such as colorants, UV inhibitors, various ingredients from different resin suppliers. Then you had byproducts from manufacturing, like mold release, greases, and even ambient humidity.
AND even if it was the "same kind" of plastic, we couldn't recycle too much of it together to mold new parts, if the resins were from different suppliers, because their recipe is too different.
The max that could be mixed would be 10-15% "non-virgin" resin.
Otherwise things like discoloring, poor mold processing, sticking, cracking, crazing etc, could occur.

Don't get me wrong, some resins can be up to 100% recycled, but only 1 time, maybe 2, before the resin literally starts to break down and degrade. It's like heating up leftovers too many times.

So, what have I done in my life?
Moved to more reusable containers (yes some plastics). Even more glass containers for re-heating anything. Plastic NEVER goes in my microwave.
I've set myself up with reusable, glass soap dispensers, cleaning spray bottles.
I've moved to plastic-less soaps in the shower, such as bar shampoo, bar face soap, bar conditioner. These products are more available now, and actually work well.
Dish detergents that come in cardboard boxes or steel cans.
Laundry supplies in dry sheet, or pac form.
Solid tab bleach and powdered Oxy, that comes in plastic pouches vs large plastic jugs.
Even yes, I've moved to using some re-usable grocery bags, and even some mesh produce bags.
Greatly cuts down on the pile of plastic bags bursting out of the kitchen.


Just a few things I do to really minimize plastic around myself.


Post# 1215317 , Reply# 20   9/21/2024 at 14:26 by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Thanks. That's interesting information. I use either canvas shopping bags or the ones made out of recycled plastic bottles. Most of the plastic I accumulate is packing. I take it to the one grocery store that recycles plastic bags. I use glass containers like from pickles to store some things in the refrigerator.

Post# 1215328 , Reply# 21   9/21/2024 at 14:56 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Plastic bags have been "banned" from shops and supermarkets for some time now around here. More is pity since one used them to line rubbish bins. So now must purchase plastic bags for that job.

As one who grew up when paper bags were used to line bins am well aware of those pitfalls and am not going back again.

Our favourite preserves (Bonne Maman) comes in glass jars. Once empty jars and lids are washed and reused for all sorts of purposes. Ditto for glass jars that once held pasta sauce and other products.

While one tries to be green and agree with many sentiments expressed is this thread on that matter, plastic containers do have a place.

Am old enough to recall when milk, juices and many other foods or other household products came in glass containers. Invariably something slipped out of someone's hands or otherwise dropped and shattered on floor. Besides contents now all over floor one had to deal with bits of shattered glass.

Not crying over spilt milk is all very well. But when that quart or whatever glass container was shattered first thing in morning it could upend breakfast.


Post# 1215367 , Reply# 22   9/21/2024 at 21:55 by RP2813 (Sannazay)        
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How many of us remember that ad campaign for Prell Concentrate shampoo, touting their unbreakable plastic tube packaging?  And who knew that was just the beginning?

 

Glass milk bottles remained on the scene for quite a number of years after those flat-topped wax-coated paper containers came into use, but some local dairies did begin delivering milk in Weyerhaeuser cartons in the late '60s.  I recall reading on those cartons that instead of producing smoke when burned, they would only generate water vapor.  This was likely an early nod to environmental responsibility (incineration was still a common household activity in those days) and certainly a P.R. move by one of the world's largest timber harvesters.  I don't see the Weyerhaeuser brand on milk cartons anymore -- from the few dairies like Clover-Stornetta in  Sonoma County that still use them, that is -- and wonder if this water vapor claim still applies, because in addition to grocery bags, toxic plastic jugs that end up in China and third world countries need to be banned as well.

 

P.S.

The plastics industry got around California's bag ban by making stronger bags and stating that they're reusable, even though they are discarded just as much as their flimsy predecessors were.  Large grocery chains quickly adopted them.  There's legislation pending that will plug this loophole in the bag ban law, and this can't happen soon enough.  COVID inflicted a setback on the use of reusable bags, and people got out of the habit of bringing their own.  Only the smaller grocery chains use paper anymore.

 

 

 



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Post# 1215368 , Reply# 23   9/21/2024 at 22:09 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Milk Cartons

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Don't forget Kieckhefer Container Company!

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Post# 1215370 , Reply# 24   9/21/2024 at 22:31 by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

Glass milk bottles are still around.  Some of my cousins are on a wait list for raw milk and at the moment they get non homogenized milk in glass bottles.  I have no idea why they want to take a chance with raw milk with 3 kids under 5, but whatever.


Post# 1215376 , Reply# 25   9/22/2024 at 00:34 by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

I remember when we moved to Georgia and saw many families with a cold water jug in their refrigerator. We asked to have one so when mom used up the White House Vinegar in the glass quart jar, she washed it out, filled it with water and held it up to show us our new water jug. Unfortunately, her hands were wet and the jug clipped out of her hands and crashed into the sink. I remember crying. It was frightening and disappointing. We had to wait for our cold water jug. Spilled milk sent my mother into a rage because unless ever damn drop was cleaned up, there would be a sour dairy smell.

Post# 1215444 , Reply# 26   9/22/2024 at 20:49 by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
I don’t buy anything that I throw away immediately

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No plastic trash bags of any kind no paper towels, etc.

There’s no need for plastic trash bags. They prefer that the trash just be thrown directly in the trash bin anyway, with judicious use of a garbage disposal there’s no messy garbage or odor anyway my trash compactor only gets emptied once or twice a year and it does not smell.

I do save and rinse out the big bags from Costco that we get organic frozen fruit in for example, and you can use those bags again for other purposes.

John


Post# 1215454 , Reply# 27   9/23/2024 at 00:14 by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Same here keep disposabvle use to aminimum.No paper towels or garbAGE bags.Just throw the stuff right into the Wheelie bin provided by the city.Each house has two bins-one for trash other recyclables.Both get dumpted into a shiny new New Way side load traash truck.Only thing I take to the dump are large amounts of cardboard boxes for the cardboard bailer there.

Post# 1215523 , Reply# 28   9/24/2024 at 05:12 by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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We use the plastic bags from Walmart and such for waste baskets. My compactor only gets dry trash, anything wet , bloody, or smelly goes straight to the curb. I got rid of most of my plastic storage containers in favor of Pyrex. Still keep a couple of larger ones for pizza leftovers or cookies. My mom still has Tupperware she bought in the 80's!

Post# 1215604 , Reply# 29   9/25/2024 at 06:18 by WhiteWhiskers (California)        
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I wonder if plastics will eventually be included as one of the worst technology inventions to come out of the 20th century along with Freon and leaded gasoline. Seems like every day there's a news story of how plastics are destroying the planet and us.


Post# 1215633 , Reply# 30   9/25/2024 at 15:47 by Moparwash (Pittsburgh,PA )        
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Post# 1215643 , Reply# 31   9/25/2024 at 19:19 by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Post# 1215731 , Reply# 32   9/27/2024 at 09:03 by Polkanut (Wausau, WI )        

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All of our Tupperware is from the 1970's. It's all orange, yellow, avocado, and brown. We usually pick up pieces at estate/tag sales, and charity/thrift shops. We also have some Stanley Flex bowl sets. Stanley Flex was a Tupperware knockoff. It was given out as a hostess gift for hosting Stanley Home Products parties. I've attached a photo of one of our Stanley sets. 


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Post# 1215763 , Reply# 33   9/27/2024 at 15:25 by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        

I remember my mom having a Stanley party when I was very little. She got a cake knife and a grapefruit knife, which I still have.

Post# 1215785 , Reply# 34   9/28/2024 at 00:07 by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Doesn't Tupperware have a large factory in Florida? Somewhere remember reading about that.

Post# 1215789 , Reply# 35   9/28/2024 at 01:12 by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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We had quite a few pieces when I was growing up. My aunt was a sales rep.

 

In Spain, any plastic container with a plastic lid, regardless of brand,  is called "un Tupper".


Post# 1215796 , Reply# 36   9/28/2024 at 08:34 by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan & Palm Springs, CA)        

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Not sure they ever actually manufactured in Kissimmee/Orlando. Their last plant was in Hemingway, South Carolina (have an acquaintance who sells Tupperware and he went there about 10 years ago after a sales contest).

Post# 1215805 , Reply# 37   9/28/2024 at 14:19 by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

"Tupperdose" which word by word would translate to Tupper can or box is a German catch all for any reusable plastic food storage container.

Post# 1215811 , Reply# 38   9/28/2024 at 17:59 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
NOOOOOOOO! WHY! Tupperware. Why?

I'd hate to see them go out of business! Not good. Why? Who will replace them?

Post# 1215814 , Reply# 39   9/28/2024 at 20:30 by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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Who will replace-- . . . Tupperware?!

Well, so many brands have come out, and so few "originals" are seen, soooo, they've pretty much been on their way to be replaced anyway...



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Post# 1215831 , Reply# 40   9/29/2024 at 10:13 by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Tupperware products were just too expensive to compete. I was looking for a pound cake container. Although it’s pink, it’s just way overpriced.

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