Thread Number: 97221  /  Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
LG WM4000HWA coming Wednesday!
[Down to Last]
Post# 1220602   12/16/2024 at 18:53 by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis)        

ryner1988's profile picture
After days of consideration -- well let's just be honest, lots of over-thinking/agonizing -- this is what I settled on, because I believe it hits the most boxes for me. Nothing is going to be perfect, after all. I'll second-guess every decision I would make in this regard, so I eventually just had to arrive at a choice.

Just ordered it an hour or so ago, and it's scheduled to arrive on Wednesday.

I comfort myself with the understanding that if I truly don't like my new FL, I can confidently resell it and just go back to the basic TL that I've used for so long. But I really think I'm ready to give this a try.

I'll add to this post once the machine is here and set up.

Thanks all for your helpful responses this far.

Ryne





Post# 1220609 , Reply# 1   12/16/2024 at 19:52 by appnut (TX)        

appnut's profile picture
Congratulations!!!

Post# 1220617 , Reply# 2   12/16/2024 at 21:10 by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis)        

ryner1988's profile picture
Thanks Bob! I've come so close to pulling the trigger for years now, and have always backed out at the last minute for one reason or another. Well, now the deed is done. I'm already aware I probably won't love the machine right away, because it's a big change and change is hard for me, but I believe I will in time. I already have a head start on things by reading threads on here and elsewhere.

Post# 1220625 , Reply# 3   12/17/2024 at 02:32 by donprohel (I live in Munich - Germany, but I am Italian)        
Congratulations, Ryne!

But I am sure that you will be happy whit a front loader


Post# 1220631 , Reply# 4   12/17/2024 at 06:13 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

mark_wpduet's profile picture
GREAT!!!

This is the exact model I would get if my FL died today.... But trust me, I know that feeling of agonizingly almost traumatic decision making... Should I really get this? What if this? What if that? All the what if's going through your mind... Now, let's just hope everything goes smoothly... it gets installed correctly...no damage to the machine during transit...and most importantly... NO LEMON! Maybe we can collectively manifest a 100% positive outcome... It's kind of stressful getting a new appliance if you ask me... I mean, it's fun too... but stressful



Post# 1220632 , Reply# 5   12/17/2024 at 06:20 by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

pulsator's profile picture
Congrats on your purchase!!! I absolutely love my 4200!

Post# 1220633 , Reply# 6   12/17/2024 at 08:46 by Helicaldrive (St. Louis)        
Congratulations

You will never want to go back to a TL. You will find that the FL actually removes ground in dirt and stains - white socks come clean like new, heavily soiled sweats and clothes that are muddy and grass stained from doing yard work, they all emerge looking brand new clean. Knit shirts come out straight on the bottom with no stretching. Vinyl appliqués on T shirts and sweat shirts never crack.

That said there is a learning curve on how much to load. JMO once the clothes are wet they should not come over halfway up the window. Some clothes compress when wet whereas others like jeans do not at all. So with a load of jeans I only fill it halfway dry. Also it’s best to turn all clothes inside out and close zippers. And detergent dosing takes awhile to get the hang of. A brand new garment seems to have sizings and finishing chemicals that prevent hardly any suds from forming. Clothes that have been worn multiple times, that are very soiled, or that have anti-perspirant, body lotion, or fabric softener will require more detergent than otherwise. You will figure it out in time but there will be a few oversuds. Just don’t get discouraged and remember there was a learning curve for top loaders too. Definitely select as many extra rinses as it will give you. Rinsing is just as important as washing and it takes more water to rinse clothes clean than to wash.

You’re going to be so happy with your decision!


Post# 1220637 , Reply# 7   12/17/2024 at 11:14 by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis)        

ryner1988's profile picture
Helicaldrive, tell me more about detergent dosing. Right now I have pods, just the regular size Tide pods not the gargantuan power pods. Still though, will they dose too much, and should I get something else? I normally use two for large loads in my TL, thought that just cutting that down to one a load would suffice, but if I just need to axe the pods altogether, I'd like to know that.

I have been told that you can load right up to the top of the drum as long as the door will still close. Is that not necessarily true? Also, neither of us wear jeans that often. There's probably one or two pairs of jeans in the wash per week, most of our clothes are just track pants/sweats/leggings, t-shirts/sweatshirts, both mine and my wife's pajamas, socks, you get the drift. I normally just chuck the one or two pairs of jeans in with the regular wash, but maybe in an FL for balancing they'd work better in a load of towels instead? Guess I'll try it both ways and see.


Post# 1220640 , Reply# 8   12/17/2024 at 13:09 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA (considering moving to Temple, Texas))        
dryer

Did you get the matching dryer?

Post# 1220641 , Reply# 9   12/17/2024 at 13:14 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA (considering moving to Temple, Texas))        
to Ryne...

I'd use 1 pod in an average load. I find that the front load washer would clean anything. If you received the matching dryer, you'll find the normal cycle uses medium heat. My mom has had her LG front load pair since 2007, and she showed me how to use it shortly thereafter. Specifically it was sometime in 2008.

Post# 1220642 , Reply# 10   12/17/2024 at 13:25 by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis)        

ryner1988's profile picture
Jerome, I did not get the matching dryer. I have a standard 29-inch Whirlpool dryer that I really like. Dries loads quickly and effectively, so no need to change that at all.

Post# 1220645 , Reply# 11   12/17/2024 at 15:50 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

mark_wpduet's profile picture
Ryne... same here. standard whirlpool dryer with lint screen on top. 7.0 cubic feet.. Even though your LG is going to be a big 4.5 cubic feet...I would say load the amount of clothes in the LG that you know the dryer can accomodate...that's what I do...Plus, I don't like to pack FL washers full...they need room to tumble and they get much cleaner that way...so it works out. If I had the LG I wouldn't wash any more clothes per load than I do now probably... even though it's bigger than my duet.

Post# 1220694 , Reply# 12   12/18/2024 at 10:33 by Helicaldrive (St. Louis)        
My two cents

Definitely you should never pack clothes in until the door will barely close. Maybe that’s OK with a laundromat front loader but not a home model.

Just put the clothes in loosely without tamping them down, until they almost come to the top of the drum. The right tumbling action occurs when the clothes, once they get fully wet, do not come higher than halfway up the window. Some types of clothes compress more than others once wet. In time you will get the hang of it. Just have to be patient in your learning curve.

I’d start with one pod and see how it goes. So many variables affect how much detergent you need — the detergent brand itself, the softness of your water, the size of the load, the number of times the garments have been worn, the amount of anti-perspirant, fabric softener residue and body lotion in them.

Definitely not more than a tablespoon of liquid or powder for starters. You can always add more if needed — just mix the extra detergent in a little water, put it in the drawer, and flush it down with a couple more cups of water.

Just don’t get discouraged with the learning curve. You’ll never look back.


Post# 1220700 , Reply# 13   12/18/2024 at 12:17 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA (considering moving to Temple, Texas))        
to Ryner1988...

My family always get matching sets and they work out well.

Post# 1220706 , Reply# 14   12/18/2024 at 13:39 by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis)        
Washer is here!

ryner1988's profile picture
Install went fine, but I expect that's because I hung around and made sure the guys did everything right. Advised them to make sure they leveled the machine and removed the transit bolts. They assured me they had done both. They ran a test cycle of some sort before they left. They even put some tape below the options on the touch panel I would use most often: Temp, spin speed, soil level, rinse options, and Turbowash. That was above and beyond what I would expect from third-party Lowes installers, so I was pleasantly surprised and appreciative. There's probably a better/more permanent solution as far as making the machine more blind-accessible, but this will do for now. I did not have them connect it to WiFi, I'll deal with that later, perhaps when family comes for Christmas they can help me get that set up.

First load is in now. Mixed load of t-shirts/track pants/leggings/pajamas, etc. Since I'm not quite sure what I'm doing, I didn't fill the drum all the way, I'd say I filled it about two thirds or so but it was still substantially more than I felt comfortable putting in the VMW top loader. Only things I left out were two thick hooded sweatshirts and one pair of jeans. They likely would have fit but I didn't want to push it. I used one tide pod. Normal cycle, one extra rinse. Left all other options the same. I know a lot of people don't like the normal cycle, but one thing that's helpful for me is that Turbowash is automatically selected. I wonder what would be a good cycle for towels and bedding where Turbowash is also already pre-selected for me, so I don't have to interact with the touch screen in that instance.

One thing I'm already noticing is how freaking quiet the washer is. I'm currently sitting at my kitchen table writing this up on my laptop, and I can barely hear it running. It's honestly kind of crazy. Hope it's still quiet when it gets to spin.

I'm sure I'll have more to say as I keep going, I have a couple more loads to do later.


Post# 1220710 , Reply# 15   12/18/2024 at 14:26 by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

petek's profile picture
Congratulations on your new machine... I love how quiet the LG washers are. As well my new LG fridge is dead silent. I've never experienced a silent fridge before.

Post# 1220711 , Reply# 16   12/18/2024 at 14:32 by appnut (TX)        

appnut's profile picture
I will tell you from my experience that once I selected Turbo.Wash for a different cycle and then start it To completion the turbo wash option remained active from that point on

Post# 1220712 , Reply# 17   12/18/2024 at 14:33 by appnut (TX)        

appnut's profile picture
Now Turbo wash is active for whites permanent press.

Post# 1220713 , Reply# 18   12/18/2024 at 14:36 by appnut (TX)        

appnut's profile picture
Turbo wash does not do spray rinses on towels or bedding

Post# 1220720 , Reply# 19   12/18/2024 at 15:33 by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

dadoes's profile picture
 
The only instance I've used pods was a frontloader (a Kenmore-badged LG) at a friend's place in Sept 2023 when there for his son's wedding.  I ran three loads of this-and-that.  I had noticed that the bath linens had a moderate musty odor.  I loaded in what was in the guest bathroom, accumulated in the laundry room, and a few more clean items in the nearby linen closet.  Upwards of fist-space-at-the-top size of load.  Kirkland/Costco pods of some variety.  Tossed in two, directly into the drum, not the dispenser drawer.  Paused when fill was complete, water not slippery.  Added another.  Note that the fill level was quite low, enough to saturate the items dripping-wet and a small puddle in the drum when paused.  The other loads were somewhat smaller so two pods on them.

The bath linens came out with noticeably less odor.


Post# 1220721 , Reply# 20   12/18/2024 at 15:45 by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis)        

ryner1988's profile picture
Bob, so if I select Turbowash on a cycle on which it isn't automatically selected, like towels, it'll remain selected from that point forward? Do other cycle parameters, like spin speed/temp, stay at the desired selection, or do they return to the defaults and need to be selected again?

You say there are no spin sprays on towels/bedding. In your experience, would it be better to use other cycles for these items instead?


Post# 1220726 , Reply# 21   12/18/2024 at 16:39 by appnut (TX)        

appnut's profile picture
Those two cycles execute flawlessly as they're designed. Towels defaults to 3 rence

Post# 1220727 , Reply# 22   12/18/2024 at 16:40 by appnut (TX)        

appnut's profile picture
Bulky betting is intended for items. Such as comforters and blankets, not sheets.

Post# 1220730 , Reply# 23   12/18/2024 at 17:33 by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis)        

ryner1988's profile picture
Just did a load of towels, using the dedicated cycle. Eight bath towels, the thinner, standard size ones from Target not the big thick type, several washcloths/dish towels, plus I threw in the sweatshirts and pair of jeans that I left out of the other load. Only thing is, it doesn't look like towels provides an extra hot option, so I just left it on warm. That load is in the dryer now. First load of mixed clothes dried in just over 30 minutes, that load used to take close to 60. It would seem my 7 cu. ft. Whirlpool is keeping pace nicely.

Bob, what's a good cycle for sheets? I have three sets of full-size sheets/pillowcases that I plan to do later tonight or tomorrow.


Post# 1220731 , Reply# 24   12/18/2024 at 17:44 by appnut (TX)        

appnut's profile picture
My "go to cycle" is not Normal, it's Perm Press with high speed spin selected. Or you could use Whites cycle and change wash temp to wwarm. I always add an extra rinse since Turbowash does two spray rinses and one deep rinse in the middle.

Post# 1220733 , Reply# 25   12/18/2024 at 18:11 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

mark_wpduet's profile picture
I totally missed this. Dang.. .that was fast!!! Glad it went well. FL washers are quiet...the only real sounds I hear from mine are when it's filling and when it's spinning... that's it.. and most of the time the spins are pretty smooth...but the occasional more rough spin here and there. You may notice less lint on the dryer screen too. Give it time.. you will adjust to it...Let's just hope it operates smoothly for you for years to come.

Post# 1220739 , Reply# 26   12/18/2024 at 20:39 by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis)        

ryner1988's profile picture
Bob, I'm using permanent press now with a load of sheets. Enabled Turbowash, added one extra rinse, and changed the spin to high. At least, that's what I think I did. I kind of have to rely on knowing the defaults of the cycles, for instance that permanent press starts at a medium spin, and push buttons accordingly. Since the machine's beeps all sound the same know matter what button is pressed, I just have to trust that one push of the spin button moved it up to high. One thing that's helpful when it comes to me using this machine non-visually is that if I lose my place making selections, I can just turn it off and back on and start from scratch.

Mark, yeah I was surprised how well it went. Guys got here a bit before 11 this morning and were gone by noon. I had some other things to take care of after that, but I was doing laundry by 2:00-ish.

BTW, towels were dry within about 45 minutes, in my TL they took about 70.

The only thing that's hard to get the hang of is detergent. I'm still using pods, but it's hard to know how much is too much and how little is too little, especially with the hard water conditions here.


Post# 1220742 , Reply# 27   12/18/2024 at 21:40 by appnut (TX)        

appnut's profile picture
Good goin' Ryne!!

Post# 1220743 , Reply# 28   12/18/2024 at 21:53 by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

I go back and forth between pods and liquid.  My stuff is never really dirty so for a mid range load I use one pod and go from there.  With liquid Persil I use 1 1/2 - 2 tablespoons. I love the steam option, it got stains out that had been around for years.

 

 

Ryne, have fun with your new toy, sometimes we need not to be the adult...


Post# 1220746 , Reply# 29   12/18/2024 at 22:47 by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis)        

ryner1988's profile picture
Matt, thanks for validating my desire to just say hell with it and try something new. Due to a combination of circumstances, this is going to end up being mostly if not totally free to me, so I couldn't think of any reason in the world not to jump it.

That being said, the VMW top loader is still here, hanging out in the corner of my living room. I unhooked it last night and dragged it out here myself, so I wouldn't have to pay Lowes a $50 haul-away fee. Plus, I might still attempt to find a cheap board on eBay, throw it in there, and resell that machine for a couple hundred bucks. I practiced the removal/reinstallation process on the faulty board a few days ago, so I believe I know how to do it. If I can't get it done for whatever reason or I don't find a buyer for the washer, I'll load it onto a dolly and drag it outside. Guarantee it'll be gone within a day. So, no harm, no foul and I may even end up coming out ahead.


Post# 1220749 , Reply# 30   12/18/2024 at 23:29 by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis)        

ryner1988's profile picture
My final thoughts for the night, especially to Bob who has been actively engaged with this conversation for most of the day.

Normal cycle works ok, but something like permanent press works even better for regular laundry. It would seem that more water is used and that warm is actually warm on that cycle. Does the machine's heater engage on permanent press to raise temps to warm, not just tepid? If so, that seems like a win to me. Also, I'm a bit confused as to how rinsing works with Turbowash. On permanent press, I selected an extra rinse, but what exactly does that mean with Turbowash active? Is that one deep rinse, and two sprays? I did not select an extra rinse on towels because it defaults to three, which seemed sufficient to me.

I'd like actual hot water for my towels sometimes as I don't use Tide Professional and also want to make sure the machine stays clean and mold-free. Does whites give me the option for extra hot, which I know is just hot on older machines? Towels only goes up to hot, which I believe is just warm.

Am I on the right track?

For now though, laundry is done for a while, and I'd say the first day was a win. I love the shorter drying times in the dryer, and I can do larger loads than my top loader could tolerate.


Post# 1220753 , Reply# 31   12/19/2024 at 04:05 by appnut (TX)        

appnut's profile picture
You can pause the cycle, change wash temp to hot, and heater will come on. But may reach above 100 degrees to 105 by the time wash cycle ends. Remember max temp on hot is 112 degrees. If you want hotter, you have to seleect extra hot on Normal, or Sanitary and lightest soil to erach 130 degrees to 140 degrees. Allergiene will raise temperature to between 160 & 165.



This post was last edited 12/19/2024 at 06:23
Post# 1220760 , Reply# 32   12/19/2024 at 07:29 by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Congratulations on a new washing machine

combo52's profile picture
Hi Ryne , wow, a new washing machine and a dishwasher all in the same year.

I think you're gonna love having this front load washer. The efficiency gains will slowly take care of the cost paid for it, lots of good advice of not much more to say you can put as much in the machine as will fit or as little usually half full or better is good for these machines

What did you do with the old washer? Are you going to try to fix it after we talked? You said you were able to remove the board from the old one.

Definitely smart to keep the whirlpool dryer, there's really no reason washers and dryer should match. You should always choose the best product when picking appliances.

Good luck with the new washer and dishwasher. I hope you and Stacey have a great holiday.

John


Post# 1220762 , Reply# 33   12/19/2024 at 07:43 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

mark_wpduet's profile picture
@ Ryne - I did 4 loads yesterday and they were all colors or darks...except I had like one white bath towel and several white socks and I normally would't do this, but I sinned and threw the white towel and few socks in with a load of colors...It's like I wanted every stitch of laundry I had to be done and if I didn't do that, I would have this random towel and a few socks... for whatever reason, this go around there wasn't nearly enough whites for a full load of whites..

anyway - those dry times are crazy compared to your old washer.. I knew it wouldn't take as long but I didn't think it would be THAT huge of a difference


@ Bob

So before staring the cycle, when selecting perma press, you can't initially choose hot? In order to get hot on that cycle, you pause it and then it lets you choose hot? Am I understanding that correctly?

@ Combo 100% agree as long as the appliance is the same color (at least for me).. I literally wouldn't bother me if all the appliances were different brands.. as long as they're the same color.. I will admit having a matching set is nice though and I don't blame people for wanting matching sets.


Post# 1220763 , Reply# 34   12/19/2024 at 08:01 by appnut (TX)        

appnut's profile picture
Mark, I'm sorry my coment wasn't stated c;ear;u. bit as usual, select the wash temp as part of setting up any cycle before starting the machine.

Post# 1220770 , Reply# 35   12/19/2024 at 13:04 by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis)        

ryner1988's profile picture
Reply #32: John, I still have the VMW top load washer. I wasn't about to pay Lowes $50 for haul away so the night before the front load washer came I unhooked the old machine myself and since it's so light I was able to drag it out to my living room. It's now sitting in a corner by my TV, LOL.

You are correct I was able to get the board out and back in, so I know the process. Thinking about still buying a cheap board on eBay and trying to resell the machine. If I don't get a buyer I can just put it outside and someone will surely see it and pick it up.

Yeah I definitely didn't see any reason to switch dryers. I've always had really good luck with Whirlpool-built 29-inch dryers, it's all I've ever owned because they just work so well. Mine is a 7 cu. ft. model so it actually handles the large loads from the LG really well. After all, the matching LG dryer is only 0.4 cu. ft. feet bigger, so there can't be that much of a size difference.


Post# 1220782 , Reply# 36   12/19/2024 at 20:03 by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
Cycles

I know I have said it a lot here, but I am not a big fan of TurboWash. Rinsing suffers. The whites cycle is great overall and is what I use 90% of the time. No extra hot as previously stated. “Hot” on my model is 45°C. I have found this to actually be good enough for most loads, though Sanitize is a great cycle if you need more heat. Whites with TurboWash cuts rinses from 3 to 1, using spray rinses during spins. Though, the interim spins are much weaker. It occasionally messes with tumbles too, and I prefer the regular ones. Bulky/Bedding is OK. Towels is good, but uses a shorter wash and higher than necessary wash water level, so not great for all loads.

Largely, it comes down to trial and error to see what works best for you!


Post# 1220792 , Reply# 37   12/20/2024 at 07:08 by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

Hi Ryne

 

I'm glad you are liking this new LG washer.

 

Once you become more comfortable with using this machine, can I suggest you contact LG head office in Korea and give them some suggestions for future models in how to make their machine more user-friendly for blind people. For example, different chimes for each cycle or option selection; tactile controls; and so on. I also wonder if a "talking user manual" would be useful as a phone app? I'm sure you could give them several very useful suggestions, and mention to them that these improvements would most likely cost NOTHING to implement. It is just a matter of them taking the time to consult blind and vision impaired people, and then allocating some engineer time to solving the issues raised.

 

I would also point out that Samsung already have better usability for vision-impaired people, that might give them some extra incentive to improve.

 

I would also suggest that if they choose to adopt your suggestions, they could show their gratitude to you for helping them improve their product by proving you with the new improved version at no cost.

 

As my Mum used to say, you don't get if you don't ask.


Post# 1220793 , Reply# 38   12/20/2024 at 07:18 by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Appliances for visually impaired users

combo52's profile picture
Very good suggestions Chris, with Rynes great knowledge and enthusiasm for laundry appliances he could be a great asset to a manufacturer.

I would even consider reaching out to Speed Queen with suggestions. Never hurts to try. You might get a free Speed Queen who knows that would be the ultimate washer. The Speed Queen control panel with its simple design with one pad for every function would be very easy to put a braille overlay on. Maybe they already have one for it. I should look into that.

Yesterday I had a customer with a 20 year-old Maytag gas Neptune stack, the bearings went bad in the washer and it's in the basement now so the space is not a factor so we put in a Speed Queen front loader next to it. She's just gonna keep the Maytag to use as a good gas dryer.

But she just instantly loved that washer seems so sensible in design and cycle selections compared to theMaytag it'll be interesting to see how she likes it after a few months.

John


Post# 1220796 , Reply# 39   12/20/2024 at 07:31 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

mark_wpduet's profile picture
Yes that's a GREAT IDEA!! It would be surprising is appliance companies aren't lurking these threads... I don't know though...

Not a fan of turbo wash? I'm pretty sure it can be turned off, no?

I don't understand how rinsing suffers vs non turbo wash... Me personally, I would never use any cycle without 3 total rinses...which I'm pretty sure you can do on these


Post# 1220797 , Reply# 40   12/20/2024 at 07:41 by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan & Palm Springs, CA)        

jamiel's profile picture
Umm...believe Whirlpool and Sears have been providing braille overlays/use and care guides for years....

Post# 1220804 , Reply# 41   12/20/2024 at 08:35 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA (considering moving to Temple, Texas))        
blind user

I too am a blind user, and I don't understand why appliance manufacturers can't put voice output in on their machines with touch screens or even braille displays. My mom's lg pair has tactile controls.

Post# 1220809 , Reply# 42   12/20/2024 at 10:02 by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis)        

ryner1988's profile picture
Regarding blind accessibility, I did very strongly consider Samsung's equivalent FL model before finally settling on this one. I believe the LG's have a better track record for reliability which is the main reason, among others, why I went with this machine in the end. But I even had the Samsung in my cart and everything, was so close to picking that one but a little voice in my head was telling me to do this instead. So, I listened. Will it matter much in the long run? We shall see.

Anyhow, yeah Chris's suggestion above is a good one. The software is probably already there to do exactly what Samsung has done with their machines as far as different tones for cycle modification. Samsung's interface isn't perfect though. The cycle knob doesn't have different tones, just the modifiers, one still has to learn/memorize the cycle dial and where everything is. For the LG, before it arrived, I actually wrote up a document for myself detailing the default parameters of the cycles I figured I would use most often, so I would have it to refer back to if I ever forget. But not everyone is going to do that, in fact very few people are willing to put forth that much effort, they just want to use the machine as is, so something like voice control or vocal feedback is crucial. True accessibility is reached when the disabled user doesn't have to employ workarounds to use the machine completely independently, like everyone else. So yes, reaching out to LG with my suggestions wouldn't hurt at all.

There is a blind lady on Youtube who was able to get quite a long way in getting LG to improve the usability of the phone app and how it works in conjunction with screen reading software. I haven't attached the washer to WiFi yet, so I can't try the app. I've always been a bit of a curmudgeon about that sort of thing, appliances don't need apps and blah blah, but perhaps I'll have someone help me set that up so I can try out the app. If it does indeed make the machine more usable, that would be a win for me. I just never thought I'd see the day when I would even think about controlling my appliance with an app on my phone, that still kinda makes me itch a bit, LOL

John, what do you mean the SQ has one keypad for everythihng? Do you mean there's one button for soil, one button for temp, etc? Because if so, that's a great start, but in addition to braille overlays, the blind user would need a mechanism to keep track of where they are in the menu in order for the machine to be considered truly accessible. For example, if normal wash always starts at warm, that's good to know but if the temp button has the same beep every time it's pushed, the blind user could still easily lose their place and have to start over. So maybe SQ could incorporate ascending and descending beeps when the keypad is pressed so the user knows what's going on. The higher pitch the beep, the heavier soil, higher temp, or faster spin speed. A lower pitch beep would indicate lighter soil, cooler temp, slower spin. Does that make sense?


Post# 1220817 , Reply# 43   12/20/2024 at 10:45 by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Panasonic over here had a solution where if you reached the max setting of any modifier, it would double beep.
Very simple and already a great step ahead of most.

Miele has a specific model (GuideLine) for visually impaired people. Fully usable down to the manual being available in audio format from what I've heard.
This is what I would consider the gold standard to what can be done...
www.miele.co.uk/product/1...



It's still somewhat shocking that billion dollar companies just aren't really required to offer simple solutions like brail overlays for such products.

It'll cost them a few people's yearly salary to cover all their appliances.
Nothing compared to their profits.


Post# 1220879 , Reply# 44   12/21/2024 at 12:19 by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis)        

ryner1988's profile picture
Well, I had the first what I would call real front loader advantage this morning.

We have this giant, thick quilt that we keep on the couch because the cat scratches and also it's kind of a cheap couch that isn't super comfortable without it. well, kitty's food didn't agree with him this morning or something and he vomited all over the quilt. Bleh!

The best I can usually do when something like this happens is spot clean it, because I would have never even tried to put that thing in any top loader. I'm sure it would fit if I really worked it, but it would just thrash about and do nothing but put stress on the machine. Anyway, I was actually able to wash the quilt in the front loader with no issues. It filled it about 3/4 of the way and it's not something I would do all the time because it really is heavy when filled with water and probably not the best for the washer, but it did indeed work. Bulky/bedding with an extra rinse and two tide pods took care of the huge vomit stain. Like, it's gone.

I honestly can't remember the last time that quilt was washed, because I certainly wasn't trekking to the laundromat to get it done. It's nice to know I can now wash this at home. Super cool.


Post# 1220882 , Reply# 45   12/21/2024 at 13:47 by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

dadoes's profile picture
 
There's no concern washing such an item in your frontloader.


Post# 1220918 , Reply# 46   12/22/2024 at 00:48 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

mark_wpduet's profile picture
Yes it's crazy isn't it? I've washed things I would never put in a traditional top loader... such as electric blanket/heating pad, pillows, etc...I even once washed a nice throw rug that probably was NOT supposed to be washed. It still looks pretty new and I've had it forever...I risked ruining it but it came out so clean and no damage...

about large HEAVY loads like that... I know what you mean. You wonder with all the weight of it's risking damage to the machine. I've done my share of those types of loads over the years thinking "this is the load that's gonna do this machine in" but it never bothered it..


Post# 1220944 , Reply# 47   12/22/2024 at 07:45 by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
You really can't overload a front load washer

combo52's profile picture
As long as you're not filling it with brick's concrete and metal, lol

A load of 10 large bath towels is heavier than that comforter you put in it anyway.

I've never seen anybody break a front load washer from excessively large loads, the biggest harm we see is people who constantly do small loads or just one heavy item. The machine has much more trouble with those and struggles to spin and balance.

John


Post# 1220961 , Reply# 48   12/22/2024 at 13:12 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
Question for anyone who has the LG w turbowash

mark_wpduet's profile picture
Ok, so there's this weird thing I do not understand about this machine. There's a youtuber that posts different cycles so we can see the process... except he has the AI version of this machine... anyway, once thing I've noticed on the LG's with turbowash is when it is spinning between rinses, there's always this patter sound (I really don't know any other way to describe it) maybe like a flapping sound... I asked him what this sound was... He said: he doesn't think the pump is always on during the spin so some of the water remains in the outer tub?? It does sound like water to me...So during the interim spins, it doesn't drain all the water out? Maybe someone can explain what is happening here and why?

Post# 1221037 , Reply# 49   12/23/2024 at 11:07 by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
Mark

Patter sounds. Likely water in the outer drum being sloshed around. If occurring with spray rinse, water is coming in via bleach dispenser as well. Though, he is right that the pump is not always draining in this process as well.

Post# 1221074 , Reply# 50   12/23/2024 at 20:30 by RyneR1988 (Indianapolis)        

ryner1988's profile picture
Mark, I know the sound you're referring to and in my limited experience with my own new washer, it does it most prominently on the interim spins but not so much if at all on the final spin. So yeah, I think it has to do with spray rinses and also residual water left in the outer tub that the pump hasn't yet purged.

Post# 1221155 , Reply# 51   12/25/2024 at 12:47 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

mark_wpduet's profile picture
I mean the spray rinses are only 6 seconds long...and that sound happens before and after the spray rinses have long stopped and the interim spin keeps spinning...until it stops spinning...I'm not understanding why it's not draining all the water until the final spin?

Post# 1221157 , Reply# 52   12/25/2024 at 13:11 by appnut (TX)        

appnut's profile picture
After the spray rinse/spin, my machine coasts down to no tumbling/spinning and will pump exceass water and soap out before it begins filling for rinse.

Post# 1221158 , Reply# 53   12/25/2024 at 13:28 by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

These do pulse drains - the drain pump doesn't run continuously.
I think it can be triggered on both a timed schedule and by pressure sensor readings.

The outer tub during a high speed spin is an incredibly dynamic environment.
Keep in mid the water is flung out in all directions about equally.
If there is any water in the outer tub - like at all - it hits the drum, gets flung out, drains back down, level rises, touches the drum again.
Rinse repeat.

If the system that decides to pulse the drain pump averages the water level over a few seconds and only if that level is consistently "too high" it triggeres a drain, really minor tuning decisions might cause that drain to be triggered a bit to late.



That shouldn't happen in a perfect world.
It can lead to more easy suds locking.
The machines do run the drain pump after coming to a full stop for a few seconds so carry over is minimized.


Post# 1221213 , Reply# 54   12/26/2024 at 10:19 by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
Interim spin

A majority of the interim spins are very short lived after the spray rinse is performed, so water is still being extracted from the clothes as well as bleach dispenser still draining. So despite the pump running, there is still a fair amount of water in the outer tub. Before filling for the rinse, the pump runs briefly, but not long enough IMHO. As previously said, it can lead to more suds production with extra water in the outer tub, though the lower interim spin might be done to avoid that. This is one of my biggest pet peeves with TurboWash, as it needs a longer interim spin with higher speed to really extract more water from clothes and allow more water/suds to drain out and provide more effective rinsing. Though, a higher interim spin speed would mean more water required in the final rinse to satisfy water level. I still think they market TurboWash for time benefit, but in reality they do it for efficiency. You used to be able to turn TurboWash off on the Normal cycle, though not anymore.

Post# 1221226 , Reply# 55   12/26/2024 at 13:10 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

mark_wpduet's profile picture
I got it. I keep forgetting Turbo wash is meant to speed things up.... anyway, with turbo wash off, are you saying it doesn't do this at all? The interim spins are faster and longer?

Post# 1221227 , Reply# 56   12/26/2024 at 13:12 by appnut (TX)        

appnut's profile picture
With Turbowash off, the machine acts just like any other front loader. With TW off, no spray rinses and in theory it SHOULD do to rinses automatically jst like front looaders used to do in the olld days. I hace never turned my TW off on any cycles that allows that, which is bacially all cycles except for Normal.

Post# 1221232 , Reply# 57   12/26/2024 at 13:49 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

mark_wpduet's profile picture
Well at the very least it can be turned off/on which ever you chooose... instead of having no choice at all.. I think I would leave it on but choose a cycle that would give the highest longest interim spins... I think towels does that.. I can't remember

Post# 1221245 , Reply# 58   12/26/2024 at 16:59 by appnut (TX)        

appnut's profile picture
Yes Mark, Towels is the exact one.

Post# 1221292 , Reply# 59   12/27/2024 at 18:34 by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Hello Ryne & Company & Long Post Lovers~

mickeyd's profile picture
Wanted to get in on the LG fun. First, congrats on the grand acquisition. Have said many times that if I could only take a few machines to that proverbial island, the LG TurboWash would be in the top two! Mine is about 13 years old, and it's a fetching cherry red.

Decide your favorite cycle and program it so you'll only need to press the round ON button, then the Program flat panel button, then the round small start button, and you won't have to mess with all the cycles on the big round main center dial or the multitude of options. Alternatively, you need only to press On and Start, two quick pulses and you're off and running on the Regular cycle which is a really good one and will work for almost any load.

The cycles on the let hand side of the main dial employ low level washes invented by Whirlpool 70 plus years ago. The clothing is lifted to the top of the tub then dropped to the shallow water below while being sprayed by the twin jets; hence, Turbowash. It is very effective: everything gets drenched and slammed. Think of opening your hands, palms down and spreading out your fingers with your fingertips shooting out streams of water; that's what the Turbowash looks like.

The cycles on the right of the main dial, use a ton of water, relatively speaking, filling up beyond the bottom of the window, and washing in the usual front-load method, the load balling and sloshing. Permanent Press, Delicate, and Handwash do not allow Turbowash. In these cycles, the speeds are slower and the pauses, longer. Handwash is especially entertaining: think of it as a whisper, giving brief alternating quarter-tumbles, then resting for a few minutes, almost like slowly rocking a baby's cradle. Three rinses, no interim spins. Does a great Drip-dry on when No Spin is selected.


One of the joys of the right side, PP, Delicate, and Handwash, is that you can hit the pause button, and move the main dial around, switching among the three cycles without a water throw or cancel. It's a blast! I do sneakers on HW for while, then switch to Delicate. Note that while Delicate pauses between tumbles, PP does not. (Bulky pauses longer than you'd expect thus to fully saturate Teddy from Mister Bean or your mega quilt.) In a really giant Bulky load like winter jackets, etc, you really appreciate the turbo jets because even with this cycle's highest water level, much of the load is above it enjoying the full and constant saturation of the jets.

Ryne, you might really like the Whitest Whites cycle because it heats the water up to traditional HOT, and does a really nice job on any sturdy fabric of any light color.

Mark, I always use Turbowash, and think it's really cool the way LG brought back the ancient Whirlpool Combo method. Interesting that it's not allowed on every cycle, but you can cancel it on the Normal/Default cycle if you want. More interesting is that on the Bulky cycle, the jets shut off during the tumbles, then blast on during the long pauses. As for the noises during spins, mine gurgles and if you pull out the dispenser drawer, it's really noticeable. Seems to be the sound of the pumps channeling up through the plumbing and venting out of the drawer chamber.

Beloved Rinsaholics, Tom and Bob, the Towels cycle fills up to the top on both the wash and the
T H R E E rinses. It rinses its fanny off, with full 1000 rpm interim spins. I harldy ever use it. Three rinses scares me, LOL; there's no soap or scent left, but for lovers of traditional front load washing, this cycle is homage to them.

My only programmed cycle is Speedwash, one of the coolest things I've ever seen, but it has a major defect which has been handled: after the wash drain, the LG does a few more tumbles, thus shaking out more washing liquors, but--shock of shocks--the pump is off, so all that shaken liquor stays because there is no interim spin on Speedwash. Sheesh! The machine proceeds immediately to the rinse fill, dramatic and up to the top, followed by two fabulous 50+ second spray rinses and a 1200 mph spin. When present, I open the trap door during the no-pump tumble and catch the remnant liquors; it's a lot, reminiscent of the soapy spit up of the GE filter-flo at rinse time.

I love talking about the LG. Thanks for having me. Whoever designed it studied every washer move ever invented, combined them all, and had washing machines in his dreams.


Post# 1223836 , Reply# 60   2/8/2025 at 00:23 by ricinalberta (Edmonton Alberta Canada)        
How About an Update on your new Washer

It Has been about 7 Weeks Now And I was Wondering How the new washer is working out for you? Have you had any problems? How well is it cleaning and have you had any issues with mouldy smell at all? I have been told that some models are worse than others. My daughter tells me she has to leave the door open on whatever model that she has.


Forum Index:       Other Forums:                      



Comes to the Rescue!

The Discuss-o-Mat has stopped, buzzer is sounding!!!
If you would like to reply to this thread please log-in...

Discuss-O-MAT Log-In



New Members
Click Here To Sign Up.



                     


automaticwasher.org home
Discuss-o-Mat Forums
Vintage Brochures, Service and Owners Manuals
Fun Vintage Washer Ephemera
See It Wash!
Video Downloads
Audio Downloads
Picture of the Day
Patent of the Day
Photos of our Collections
The Old Aberdeen Farm
Vintage Service Manuals
Vintage washer/dryer/dishwasher to sell?
Technical/service questions?
Looking for Parts?
Website related questions?
Digital Millennium Copyright Act Policy
Our Privacy Policy