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Post# 180536   1/3/2007 at 19:23 (6,293 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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I am arranging to pick up a push-button Lady Kenmore. The model number is 110-7104903W, the stock # is 21900. Would anyone have an idea of year of this machine? It has a little lid you flip up (lighted console too) to access the push buttons.

No photo as yet...





Post# 180537 , Reply# 1   1/3/2007 at 19:41 (6,293 days old) by sactoteddybear ()        
Re: Model Year:

This Lady Kenmore Washer is a 1971 Year Model. The first 2-digits after the "110" are the Model Year, at least through the 1980's. I don't remember for sure in the 1990's how they determined the Year Model, other than if you happened to have bought them around that time period. This is also on the Dryers as well, of the same info.

Peace and Cheers, Steve
SactoTeddyBear...


Post# 180541 , Reply# 2   1/3/2007 at 19:58 (6,293 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Thanks, Steve.

Are Lady Kenmores by definition the top of the Kenmore washer line?

Would this one have a waterfall filter?



Post# 180543 , Reply# 3   1/3/2007 at 20:14 (6,293 days old) by sactoteddybear ()        
Re: Model in Question:

This being a newer Model, probably doesn't have the Water Fall Filtering. It uses the Self-Cleaning Filtering System. If it has a Plastic Retangle Cover on the Top of the Cabinet, to the Right side of the Lid Opening, it has a Triple Dispenser, for Detergent Bleach and Fabric Softener. It uses the Pump to Recirculate the Water into the Dispensers, at the proper time of the Cycles for adding the products.

Peace and Cheers, Steve
SactoTeddyBear...


Post# 180544 , Reply# 4   1/3/2007 at 20:18 (6,293 days old) by sactoteddybear ()        
Re: Extra Info:

Hi! Rich, this would be known as the "TOL" Model for Sears. They also used a special sticker on the front of the Cabinets that said Sears-Best on an Ovalish fancy insignia of these Washers and Dryers.

Peace and Cheers, Steve
SactoTeddyBear...


Post# 180545 , Reply# 5   1/3/2007 at 20:18 (6,293 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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It's a keeper Ritch. I love those garage door console Kenmores (the flip up door) lol .

Post# 180575 , Reply# 6   1/3/2007 at 22:11 (6,293 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        

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YES! Lady Kenmores were not only Sears' TOL, they were the most full-featured washers anywhere. If you had a pair of LKs, you were doing better than all right. They were expensive at the time, but they were built well. I had a late-'60s LK washer for a time in the early '80s; wish I still had it.

And a matching dryer, too. I don't really need all those cycles, but there's something about keyboard LKs that is irresistible.


Post# 180580 , Reply# 7   1/3/2007 at 22:33 (6,293 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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No matching dryer for this LK, Dane. That would be nice, though.

Apparently one advantage of the flip up door to access the cycle buttons is that it helps to keep them clean and unaffected by ambient (visible and UV) light.

Speaking of light, apparently the console light is still working after all these years.

I think I'm looking forward to this addition to the growing collection.

I think I may have to get rid of a car or two :-)



Post# 180589 , Reply# 8   1/3/2007 at 22:50 (6,293 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        

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I have to admit I'm partial to the keyboard LK's like the one I had, that didn't have the flip-up door. It was cool to see that huge, impressive array of cycle buttons out in the open like that. I also like the pot-metal dispenser cover on those models- if memory serves, Sears later went to plastic matching the washer colour. The pot-metal dispenser was a very expensive-looking brushed finish. Using a keyboard LK was something like driving a Lincoln Continental of the same period; everything felt solid and expensive, and the technology behind it was reliable and did its job without complaint. It was more than a washing machine- it was a statement that you cared enough to have the very best. The ONLY washer I ever saw that could compete with the keyboard LK on its own terms was the Maytag 906 like Greg has (post pics sometime, willya, Greg?). That was also a beautiful, sleek machine. Frigidaire made some extremely nice machines, but the LKs and the 906 were the nicest-looking on the market, for my taste.

Post# 180602 , Reply# 9   1/3/2007 at 23:15 (6,293 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Well, I wonder if I could make a plexiglass door and replace the stock door with that, so the buttons would be viewable but protected at all times... lol...

I also would like to see a photo of Greg's 906. I didn't even know there was something above an 806...

From what I've seen so far, though, the build quality and materials on the 06 Maytags, even the lower models, is much nicer than that on the middling Whirlpools.



Post# 180603 , Reply# 10   1/3/2007 at 23:26 (6,293 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Greg's Yahoo Album

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I found that Greg has a Yahoo! album showing off his lovelies; the 906's are to be seen at:

new.photos.yahoo.com/gansky1/albu...

Now if I can only keep from drooling all over the keyboard...


Post# 180604 , Reply# 11   1/3/2007 at 23:52 (6,293 days old) by frontaloadotmy (the cool gay realm)        
Rich

What color is it? The door on the rt side of the top of the cab will be for powder det. The blch and sftnr dispenser should be in the left front corner under the tb lid and it
most likely will have the adjustable agitator. I bet it wouldn't be that difficult to fashion a see through panel cover. It will be a great addition; time too have a washin,
buddy. I want to see your racoon shield too.


Post# 180607 , Reply# 12   1/4/2007 at 00:20 (6,293 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Keyboard LK vs. Pushbutton Maytag

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Just wanted to mention:

There was a real difference in philosophy between the keyboard LKs and the Maytag 906s. The Kenmore invited creativity- "What will I get if I combine THIS key with THAT dial setting?" You could potchke with the settings all day long.

The Maytag did it all for you at the push of one understated button; it was for people who wanted convenience, not emotional investment.

The only thing I didn't like about the 906s was that Maytag used the same el cheapo pull on the dryer door that all Maytags got. A dryer with a control panel that elegant should have gotten something more refined.


Post# 180610 , Reply# 13   1/4/2007 at 00:31 (6,293 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Darrel,

The LK is white, which I quite like. Can you play tunes on the keyboard? :-)



Post# 180809 , Reply# 14   1/4/2007 at 19:58 (6,292 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Yeah, it plays "You Get More With A Kenmore". When you raise the panel cover, the fluorescent light automatically comes on.

Post# 180814 , Reply# 15   1/4/2007 at 20:45 (6,292 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Danemodsandy: THIS key THAT key..you could potchke all day--

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You can select all or none of the following: pre-wash, soak, cold rinse, extra rinse, spin only or cancel in addition to all the regular cycles

The cooldown is a double one with AGITATION and fill simultaneously

The soak is 30 min. with inter. agitatation, and leads automatically to wash

Watching the dispenser flush is a first-rate treat. esp watching it negotiate the soak and wash soaps

The variflex agi ,open to full flex, gives you the ride of your life; only the KA is more powerful

The push buttons are huge, like small Hershey bars and the "smart" cycle dial stops sharp and hard automatically depending on which buttons you have pressed.

I had one in a house I cared for, for 3 years, and I may someday get the machine

Of all the automatics I've been lucky enough to experience, it is hands down the coolest machine I know. It never stops pleasing or amazing. It is a very powerful, sturdy and beautiful piece of work--could convert a Maytag Man licketysplit or in a heartbeat! Thanks for the memory which I hope one day will become a reality.


Post# 180861 , Reply# 16   1/5/2007 at 00:17 (6,292 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        
72 Lady K owner here..

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I have a 72 Lady K set in "Tawny Gold" and I love them! Classic style, quiet, but a real workhorse! Its the best machines I own and treasure them dearly. Everything Mickeyd said about them is true. They are a MUST OWN from that era if you like Kenmores.

Rich


Post# 180870 , Reply# 17   1/5/2007 at 01:14 (6,292 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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It does sound like a nice design.

Post# 183379 , Reply# 18   1/15/2007 at 18:37 (6,281 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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'71 Lady Kenmore and the truck she rode in on...


Post# 183380 , Reply# 19   1/15/2007 at 18:39 (6,281 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Keys closeup

Post# 183381 , Reply# 20   1/15/2007 at 18:40 (6,281 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Dial Closeup

Post# 183383 , Reply# 21   1/15/2007 at 18:41 (6,281 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Variflex control

Post# 183384 , Reply# 22   1/15/2007 at 18:42 (6,281 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Looks like rust stains... wonder what the outer tub looks like...


Post# 183385 , Reply# 23   1/15/2007 at 18:43 (6,281 days old) by exploder3211 ()        

Great Washer.. Love all the buttons or "keys"

Post# 183386 , Reply# 24   1/15/2007 at 18:44 (6,281 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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The Lady in Repose

Post# 183394 , Reply# 25   1/15/2007 at 19:02 (6,281 days old) by scott55405 ()        

You plugged it in on the truck! I can see the light! Very nice machine. I wonder what "custom care" is. I don't think I've seen a white Vari-Flex before.

Post# 183399 , Reply# 26   1/15/2007 at 19:19 (6,281 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Actually it was just off the truck when I plugged it in. I usually back the truck up to the driveway ramp to unload major appliances - makes the tailgate lower to the ground. Then I roll the appliance into the "holding and testing area", lol.

I'm told this one leaks a little so I suspect it will require a major tear-down like the '65 RCA. Further diagnosis will have to wait until the weekend when I can do a test run and look underneath for signs of obvious leakage. The leak is coming from the left rear so it might just be a loose hose connection at the self-cleaning filter, or the filter leaking itself.


Post# 183415 , Reply# 27   1/15/2007 at 19:50 (6,281 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Scott, the "custom care" button is most likely the 3rd speed selection. This only affected agitation speed, spin speeds remained normal or slow, depending on cycle. Agitation on PP & Normal is regular. When the button is pushed, agitation becomes gentle. On the knitsdelicates cycle, the regular gentle speed became the 3rd ex-lo speed agitation. Incidentally, this was the only model in the line with a 10 minute knits/delicate max cycle time. The 10 minutes was for knits, I do believe the 8 minute mark on the timer was a 2 minute pause/soak. 6 minutes was for delicates & washable woolens.

Post# 183416 , Reply# 28   1/15/2007 at 19:50 (6,281 days old) by cehalstead (Charleston, WV)        
custom care

Selecting the "Custom Care" button slowed down the agitation from normal to slow. It did not modify the spin speed. Custom Care had no effect on the delicate cycles. In 1968, my mom bought a Kenmore 900 matched set in avocado. According to the salesman, the '68 900 was simply a '67 LK that had not been sold and had "new" insignia attached....

Post# 183417 , Reply# 29   1/15/2007 at 19:51 (6,281 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Congratulations Rich, glad you saved her.

Post# 183426 , Reply# 30   1/15/2007 at 20:17 (6,281 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Until I get a chance to test her, what is the interaction between the dial timer and the keyboard? Can one simply ignore the dial timer (except for in/out on/off operation) and use the keyboard to set everything? Will the dial timer advance to correct setting according to keyboard selections? Or must one set both timer and keyboard at the same time?

Post# 183428 , Reply# 31   1/15/2007 at 20:20 (6,281 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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This one has the plastic detergent dispenser (chrome plated plastic, that is), but there is no tray inside for different additions. Is there supposed to be one? The owner indicated something was missing, but she couldn't remember what. On the left front side of the basket opening there is a cut-out in the top ring, but there is no fitting for it. I wonder what that was for. It doesn't seem to have any water inlet so I don't think it's a dispenser.

I will contact the owner to see if she can find the missing three-compartment dispenser insert, if that is what is missing.


Post# 183429 , Reply# 32   1/15/2007 at 20:24 (6,281 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Rich, on the left where that opening is is where the fabric softener & bleach dispensers were. Since that's missing, as well as the plastic detergent tray, I venture to say the lady that owned it wasn't the original (because the dispensers are usually removed when a machine is refurbed to be resold) or the devices wore themselves out and were removed long ago due to calcium, lime, rust issues.

Post# 183431 , Reply# 33   1/15/2007 at 20:27 (6,281 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        
Wonderful!!

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thats 70-71 Lady K. Mine is a 72. only differances are: yours keypads are color coded( mine aren't)yours has a soap dipenser where mine is a triple. Vari-Flex agitator is white, like mine.
Doing laundry won't be the same as it was with your new Lady K now!
ENJOY!!

Rich

P.S. I know where I can get you a better Timer dial, if you want one. Email me at my profile address.


Post# 183432 , Reply# 34   1/15/2007 at 20:28 (6,281 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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As far as the interaction between the timer knob and the buttons, the buttons select the wash & rinse temps. It's been a whiloe since I saw the lid instructions, but if the wash time for cottons white & cottons colors are both 14 minutes, then that was set up so the detergent dispenser could be used. If it's 12 for colored, then the dispenser flushes for a total of up to 4 minutes. With the cycle button depressed, when you pull the knob out to "stop" washer aned rotate knob around, it will stop on the base cycle selected for the fabric (I think caused by some sort of cam). Then you push the timer knob in to start the machine. At that point, you may move the timer to a different wash time within that cycle if you so choose. If that is done, I doubt the detergent dispenser works. Have I confused you or answered the question?

Post# 183437 , Reply# 35   1/15/2007 at 20:41 (6,281 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        

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Or you can press "selective Dialing-cancel" and turn to the cycle you want at any time increment. you'll have to press the correct cyclepad for the water temp after you press in the timer to start.

Rich


Post# 183466 , Reply# 36   1/15/2007 at 22:29 (6,281 days old) by scott55405 ()        

thanks for the custom care description, Bob and Cehelstead!

Post# 183471 , Reply# 37   1/15/2007 at 23:27 (6,281 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Nostalgia...

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It almost makes me sad to see this Lady K, because I remember when these machines were new. In those days, the machines got a little nicer each year, with a couple of new features. We thought that was going to go on forever. By the 21st Century (then so far off you couldn't imagine it was ever going to get here) washing machines were going to be absolutely fantastic. Maybe ultrasonic, maybe something else- but they were going to be GREAT.

What happened? Everything's plastic now, everything is goofy electronics with suicidal control boards, and most of the brands that were around in the early '70s are gone now. I'm glad you saved this machine, as a reminder of a time when some American corporations still knew what they were doing.


Post# 183475 , Reply# 38   1/16/2007 at 00:10 (6,281 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        
Lady of the Night

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Bob, you're basically correct with your description of how the keyboard and dial interact. I just snapped a photo of the underside of the lid/instructions, but first,

Post# 183476 , Reply# 39   1/16/2007 at 00:13 (6,281 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Simple once you get it...



Post# 183478 , Reply# 40   1/16/2007 at 00:17 (6,281 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Come to think of it, this is the exact same LK model the 1965 LK Combo was replaced with when the wawsher part died. (the dryer part died first on both of their LK Combos).

Post# 184710 , Reply# 41   1/21/2007 at 01:56 (6,276 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        
Rich.....

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have you got to run your lady K yet? inquiring minds really want to know!

Rich
P.S. I can get you a new timer dial if you want one. Let me know if you do.


Post# 184712 , Reply# 42   1/21/2007 at 02:28 (6,276 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Powerfin,

Not yet... maybe tomorrow.

I sent you an email last week, did you receive it?


Post# 184717 , Reply# 43   1/21/2007 at 05:36 (6,275 days old) by sactoteddybear ()        
Re: Dispensers:

Hi! If you check on Repair-Clinic with the Model Number of the Washer, you might be able to see if they have the Bleach/Fabric Softener Dispenser Assembly and the Plastic Divider Insert that goes on the inside part of the Top, near the Basket opening.

Good Luck, it does seem like Repair-Clinic has a fair amount of older Parts available. If they don't them available, maybe a 2nd Hand Shop near you, that still deals with older Washers and Dryers might have the Dispenser Assembly and Plastic Divider.

Peace and Happy Lady Kenmore Laundry Times, Steve
SactoTeddyBear...


Post# 184769 , Reply# 44   1/21/2007 at 13:01 (6,275 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        
email

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no, I haven't recieved your email Rich.
try one more time, and If it doesn't come throu, I'll contact my server.

Rich


Post# 184776 , Reply# 45   1/21/2007 at 13:57 (6,275 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Email on its way.


Post# 184790 , Reply# 46   1/21/2007 at 16:57 (6,275 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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I'm glad they'd beefed up the Cold Wash cycle by this time. The Cold Wash on our 1960 Model 80 was basically a delicate cycle with cold water. It provided a 4-minute slow agitation wash and a slow spin.

Post# 184797 , Reply# 47   1/21/2007 at 17:46 (6,275 days old) by gefliterflo ()        
Agitator

How does the Vari-Flex work with the control being on the top of the agitator and not on the control panel?

Post# 184800 , Reply# 48   1/21/2007 at 18:00 (6,275 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        
how Vari-Flex works...

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you lift up the outter ring(see thread 183384) and turn left to extend or right to retract the bottom agitator fins. Thus giving you from a aggressive to very gentle washing action.
its a excellent option to have. you can have almost a infinity of choices of washing action with Vari-Flex.

Rich


Post# 184805 , Reply# 49   1/21/2007 at 18:14 (6,275 days old) by gefliterflo ()        

Thanks, thats genious too.

Post# 184806 , Reply# 50   1/21/2007 at 18:37 (6,275 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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In Houston, I knew a secretary who had a LK with vari-flex. She basically used the 3 normal cycles and changed the setting on the vari-flex for all her wash. She loved it that way. And she kenw what she was doing, her mom was a high school home ec teacher.

Post# 184834 , Reply# 51   1/21/2007 at 20:31 (6,275 days old) by tbolt25 (Kentucky)        
off-balance switch

I noticed the instructions on the lid said "off-balance" buzzer-this is probably one of the early off-balance switches that uses a wire trip arm-one that is bad to get bent and give troubles. I've only seen the ones with the red plastic trip arms. I would love to see a picture posted on this particular washer's off-balance switch's trip arm, if it has one, I've never seen a belted Kenmore washer with a wire trip arm.

Post# 184840 , Reply# 52   1/21/2007 at 20:48 (6,275 days old) by coldspot66 (Plymouth, Mass)        

I picked this up 2 summers ago...needs a bit of work. I installed a new outer tub that I had (even though it has no outlet for the bleach/softener disp), and I broke the bottom half of the Vari-flex agitator getting it out. I am using a white roto-swirl for now. Sorry the pic is so big!

Post# 184841 , Reply# 53   1/21/2007 at 20:51 (6,275 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Well, I was going to test the LK this afternoon, but had to run an errand instead. Maybe next weekend. I'll also see about lifting the lid and exposing the off-balance trip mechanism.

I was able to ajuste the Variflex, but it was a bit stiff. Perhaps it needs some warm water and suds to help lubricate it.


Post# 185030 , Reply# 54   1/22/2007 at 16:00 (6,274 days old) by gefliterflo ()        

Ahh thee roto-swirl, awesome agitator. Great shot, I wish I had something similar to that.

Post# 185175 , Reply# 55   1/22/2007 at 22:30 (6,274 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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That brings up a question... what's the best procedure for removing a Vari-Flex agitator?


Post# 185358 , Reply# 56   1/23/2007 at 23:36 (6,273 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Just a bump to see if anyone knows the best way to remove a Vari-flex agitator.


Post# 185367 , Reply# 57   1/24/2007 at 00:58 (6,273 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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It's been a while since I've played with one, if memory serves - you remove the clear plastic cap - pry up at the notch on the side - then remove the bolt underneath and pull the parts out.

Post# 185377 , Reply# 58   1/24/2007 at 02:05 (6,273 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Thanks, Greg. I'll take a closer look at the clear cap.



Post# 186656 , Reply# 59   1/28/2007 at 09:28 (6,268 days old) by maytagman806s ()        

Hey Rich,

I had tell you "great find". I have almost the same identical machine, except my LK has the triple dispenser, suds-saver, vari-flex, and is a bit newer vintage (1972). The model number is 110.720593G. I found this machine on my way to work one day about 3 am, with the matching dryer, waiting for the junk man. Unfortunately, I owned a small Renault Encore hatchback, and I couldn't lift the dryer on the roof, so the washer was the only item I could save. I used to live in the neighbourhood some years before, and knew of the owners, but didn't know them personally. As I was wrestling the washer in to the back of the car, the local police just happened to be driving by. Just imagine how I had to explain that.

Anyway, it was a shock to find the machine, for one. And two, the shape it was in. It is almost new. The owner was an older lady that one of the fellas I went to elementary school with, used to cut her grass. So it is certainly not abused. I will have to take some pictures of it and send them to you. I just wish I could have gotten the dryer that morning too. It is harvest gold.

Talk to you soon.


Post# 187203 , Reply# 60   1/29/2007 at 20:38 (6,267 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Hey Rich (Powerfin),

Got the dial today. Thanks a bunch!

- Rich2


Post# 187500 , Reply# 61   1/30/2007 at 20:00 (6,266 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        

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Hi Rich-
My pleasure! glad I could help out!
can't wait to see it on your Lady K, and all shined up!

Rich



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