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Thread Number: 97887
/ Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
Is it over for Whirlpool ? |
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| Post# 1228391 4/9/2025 at 18:07 by agiflow (Toms River) | ||
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Post# 1228395 , Reply# 1 4/9/2025 at 19:04 by GELaundry4ever  (Nacogdoches, TX, USA (considering moving to Temple, Texas)) |
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Pat... I hate to say it, but I'm afraid it is. Same for GE. | ||
| Post# 1228396 , Reply# 2 4/9/2025 at 19:15 by agiflow (Toms River) | ||
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It was over for GE when theyvwere sold to Haier. | ||
| Post# 1228397 , Reply# 3 4/9/2025 at 19:28 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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| Post# 1228398 , Reply# 4 4/9/2025 at 19:46 by agiflow (Toms River) | ||
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Mark 100% agree ! Not going to lie. This sounds REALLY bad for them. It's a shame and I hope they by some miracle turn this around. | ||
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Post# 1228402 , Reply# 5 4/9/2025 at 21:53 by Dermacie (my forever home (Glenshaw, PA)) |
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Post# 1228405 , Reply# 6 4/9/2025 at 23:09 by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 1228407 , Reply# 7 4/9/2025 at 23:33 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA (considering moving to Temple, Texas)) |
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Frigidaire We already saw what happened with Frigidaire. | ||
| Post# 1228417 , Reply# 9 4/10/2025 at 02:21 by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Post# 1228418 , Reply# 10 4/10/2025 at 02:43 by Chetlaham (United States) |
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 Consumers are to blame as much as manufacturers. Consumers voted with their wallets for ever more fancy, feature packed machines at the lowest average cost. Few shopped based on build quality, very few demanded longevity, or even protested the discontinuation of the proven products like the direct drive. In the end manufacturers just respond to the market while adjusting to the cost of raw material inflation. | ||
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Post# 1228426 , Reply# 12 4/10/2025 at 07:47 by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Is this the end for whirlpool?
That video is so ridiculous and that guy is so obnoxious. I don’t watch any of his videos. I have not watched this one.
I watched a few of his reviews and have learned almost nothing. I remember when he came up with a stupid modification for the lint filter in the GE combo it’s totally a problem he generated in his mind. There is no problem with the lint filter in the GE combos and they have not been modified to this day because there was nothing wrong with them to begin with. And his stupid modification doesn’t do any good anyway he just glues the thing together and then you can’t clean it properly. This guy does not have much experience on the road, I have not seen him offer. Any tips on repairing or selecting appliances that were all that worthwhile. Back to the topic whirlpool is not in a major downturn. This is not a major problem. Whirlpool has had much bigger problems and recalls over the years as others who have some knowledge of the industry have already posted. This does not cost whirlpool very much money it cost a little bit of reputation, but they’re making between 10 and 20,000 of these washers every single day and we have customers that love these washers, there’s even been several people on this site who have recently commented how much they like these washers they are not giving much trouble anymore. John L | ||
| Post# 1228445 , Reply# 15 4/10/2025 at 10:37 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Post# 1228449 , Reply# 16 4/10/2025 at 11:31 by Chetlaham (United States) |
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MrStickball, please do not take John's replies personally or his half dozen flying monkeys seriously. It serves him a purpose totally different than what is being read or interpreted at face value. He disparages anyone who doesn't hold his opinions or world view. It is a character fault of John's unhindered by a lack of insight.
You are not obnoxious, ridiculous or wrong. Everything you say is true, everything. The industry needs someone to speak up in an articulate, intelligent manner backed up by facts and you are doing just that with excellence.
I am learning a lot, as well as agreeing with your findings that Whirlpool is falling behind in innovation and customer satisfaction across all of their brands. Hopefully Whirlpool can turn things around. | ||
| Post# 1228453 , Reply# 17 4/10/2025 at 12:58 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
I don't know what would happen to Whirlpool in the future, but I've said this before recently and I'll say it again. Whirlpool isn't the same as they used to be anymore, I used to really like them but nowadays it's hard for me to buy another new Whirlpool product. There's like a couple of products I wouldn't mind getting like their basic dryer and dishwasher but everything else has my eyes on different companies. In fact the last time I spoke to my local appliance service technician not too long ago on what he'd recommend for each product, there was not a single Whirlpool model he listed. LG for laundry, Bosch for dishwasher, Frigidaire for fridge and stove, etc. Just reading over the comment section of the video, yikes! Some of them have even backed up saying that it's true so this isn't looking good for Whirlpool. Let's say Whirlpool were to get bought out, and if whoever did decided to sell off Amana and Maytag, I think it'd be cool if they reached out to Alliance Laundry Systems on a lease agreement making classic Speed Queen washers and dryers for Amana and Maytag again. I doubt it'd happen but who knows.
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Post# 1228473 , Reply# 18 4/10/2025 at 21:34 by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Is it over for whirlpool corporation
Reply number 13, hi Benny, thanks for responding, my remarks were a little harsh yes but the reason I don’t watch a video like that is because it’s just click bait to get you money. It’s ridiculousto Say that whirlpool is on the verge of collapse and they don’t make any good products anymore and then you say in your response that you never meant to say they’re about to go out of business. It was not a well researched Video that’s for sure.
Whirlpool is a huge Appliance maker in many different countries of the world. They have a value of over $5.6 billion currently and 44,000 employees. Many of their largest manufacturing plants are in Ohio Clyde, Ohio makes nearly 20,000 washing machines a day Findlay, Ohio is the biggest dishwasher plant in the world And Marion Ohio is the biggest clothes dryer plant in the world. These are still union plants and being a fellow Ohio resident I would think you would be proud of them and not be promoting products from China and South Korea over great stuff that is made in your state. If you do a little bit of research, you will see how much money whirlpool gives to worthy charities, such as Habitat for Humanity and many others in this country and all over the world they also make some of the best products in the world they won fortune magazines best Appliance company, and many other awards in the last two years. Hi Benny, I would love to meet you sometime come and visit will give you a tour of the museum, etc.. I’m sure we would have a lot to discuss, but if you’re gonna continue bashing whirlpool, I think you should stop wearing the Maytag hat. Maytag is whirlpool they’ve owned this name for nearly 20 years. It doesn’t look very genuine to be bashing a company and wearing their logo. I wish you continued success in the Appliance business. Hope to meet you someday, John L | ||
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Post# 1228477 , Reply# 20 4/10/2025 at 23:53 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA (considering moving to Temple, Texas)) |
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nobody to blame Whirlpool has nobody to blame but themselves. | ||
| Post# 1228480 , Reply# 21 4/11/2025 at 00:35 by William8 (Michigan) | ||
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| Post# 1228482 , Reply# 22 4/11/2025 at 04:23 by agiflow (Toms River) | ||
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The thing is why can't we produce our own products again and stop being heavily dependant on foreign countries for our goods ? A country the size of the U.S. and were dependant on the communist Chinese? | ||
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Post# 1228484 , Reply# 23 4/11/2025 at 05:01 by Chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1228485 , Reply# 24 4/11/2025 at 05:16 by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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People, apparently from America, saying this THIS VERY WEEK hits you in the face SO HARD with irony, it's almost funny again... | ||
| Post# 1228487 , Reply# 25 4/11/2025 at 05:48 by agiflow (Toms River) | ||
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Reply #24 So what is so ironic ? What is so funny to want to make things in your own country? | ||
| Post# 1228503 , Reply# 27 4/11/2025 at 10:48 by William8 (Michigan) | ||
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Post# 1228511 , Reply# 31 4/11/2025 at 13:02 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA (considering moving to Temple, Texas)) |
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whirlpool disappointment I am very disappointed in Whirlpool. Everything is cheaply built and sounds horrendous when operating. It's no surprise that they're getting away with this stupid crap. I don't like the removable agitator. It's a huge scam. | ||
| Post# 1228514 , Reply# 32 4/11/2025 at 13:43 by agiflow (Toms River) | ||
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Reply #30 Sorry you're made to feel that you have to or need to ignore posts here. Don't let me take up any more of your precious time...... | ||
| Post# 1228523 , Reply# 33 4/11/2025 at 15:20 by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
John, you make valid points on Whirlpool’s footprint, impact on community, technology and innovation.
But none of that matters in our financial infested world, in light of this press release: “A Look at Whirlpool Corporation's Growth Numbers” “Over the last three years, Whirlpool Corporation has shrunk its earnings per share by 26% per year. It saw its revenue drop 15% over the last year. Overall this is not a very positive result for shareholders. And the impression is worse when you consider revenue is down year-on-year. So given this relatively weak performance, shareholders would probably not want to see high compensation for the CEO. Moving away from current form for a second, it could be important to check this free visual depiction of what analysts expect for the future . Has Whirlpool Corporation Been A Good Investment? With a total shareholder return of -44% over three years, Whirlpool Corporation shareholders would by and large be disappointed. Therefore, it might be upsetting for shareholders if the CEO were paid generously.” Bosch lobbed a takeover balloon and then retracted. Whirlpool has lost investors a lot of money. Part of that is Covid, the markets outside of their control, Tariffs from Tump 1.0 and now 2.0. But a lot is their own doing. The constant “enshitification” of their parts and designs. The fact that yes, LG Elux/Frigidaire, and shockingly even Samsung, have all marginally improved their designs and reliability (relatively speaking to contemporary times of endless garbage for sale). Whirlpool is languishing. I’m not in the appliance industry but I’ve been in engineering in retail and industrial products for near 15yrs now (scary!) And there’s definitely some signs I’m seeing at WP from the outside that tell me their culture has radically changed the past decade. Ben’s comments reinforce what I feel I’ve been noticing. The constant pressure to design things cheaper, faster, or not fully baked. Beta testing your software and electronics in the field. Distancing yourself from customers to the point WP engineering indeed doesn’t know they might have component or PCB issues. That could be from a few things I’ve seen before. It’s not uncommon for management to not flow up issues from the field. Or the company (WP, service, or both) does not have an easy or efficient way to flow up field issues. Customer service in WP could be gatekeeping. In engineering, it’s not uncommon for us to be purposely insulated from product/field issues unless they are direct safety concerns that open the company up to liability. Only then do they often become projects. Product improvement projects are only kicked off if warranty costs will rise above re-engineering costs. Or we just wait till the next design platform. Sometimes, engineers DO spec out quality designs or components, but sourcing, if they are pressured to cost cut, can skirt those specifications to an extent. I feel like a lot this is likely happening at WP. And it all has to do with the current leadership of the departments. Other competitors do this also, but their balance of these tactics might be skewed more to product quality than WP at the moment. Which I assume will win and retain more customers. And that brings us to the customers. Yes, they are placated on cheap electronics and machines. Only now from inflation have appliance prices meaningfully gone up since the 80s. But part costs and quality have gone down. All while trying to keep more of that margin for the shareholders. It worked well up till now. Either WP learns this lesson quickly, or their Board will make a move to right the ship. I don’t mean right the ship for us customers with good product, I mean for them the shareholders and their profits. That could mean anything from ousting the CEO, to forcing the downsizing of brands and the company. Or even entertaining another buyout offer. Remember, if a company or entity proposes a buyout to the Board, they are legally obligated to entertain it. Especially if it could give more $ to shareholders. It’s like what happened to Twitter. They were court ordered to sell. Then Elon was court ordered to buy. I hope they work this stuff out because the appliance landscape will be bleak if they don’t stick around. | ||
| Post# 1228531 , Reply# 34 4/11/2025 at 16:10 by agiflow (Toms River) | ||
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I remember seeing some kind of promo video a while back and the guy was talking about changing the culture at whirlpool... Whatever the hell that supposed to mean. | ||
| Post# 1228538 , Reply# 35 4/11/2025 at 16:58 by William8 (Michigan) | ||
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Reply #29
We still manufacture plenty in the USA, and it's still growing. We also are the number 2 exporter in the world, second only to China. But we still export half as much as they do, with less that 1/4 the population. We were doing fine. Don't buy into all the nonsense.
www.macrotrends.net/globa... | ||
| Post# 1228544 , Reply# 36 4/11/2025 at 20:55 by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Right now in April 2025... if I had to buy all new appliances
Dishwasher it would be a Whirlpool or Bosch.. I think Whirlpool makes good dishwashers like the Maytag/Kitchenaid/Whirlpool models A refrigerator... I honestly do NOT have a clue... I know definitely not LG or Samsung... Maybe the basic GE or Whirlpool or Frigidaire Top Freezer and just make and store my own ice with a countertop ice maker (not that I'm being cheap) I want an awesome refrigerator but they sketch me out more than any appliance. I keep hearing the LESS complicated a refrigerator the better.. (which might be true because I rarely have problems with those little mini fridges... and those are the least complicated of all.) An all electric Range? I have no clue here either. I guess Whirlpool/Frigidaire glass top range Front load washer LG or Electrolux (although I don't like Elux doesn't have a drain pump access) Dryer (definitely Whirlpool standard dryer) so you see, with appliances, I'm all over the place... This is just based on videos I've watched over the past couple of years. It's so weird to me that you can not trust any company to make all of their appliances good... just certain ones. But whatever... In some ways it almost feels like they're all the SAME to me at this point. Like one giant conglomeration making appliances. | ||
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Post# 1228565 , Reply# 38 4/11/2025 at 23:20 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA (considering moving to Temple, Texas)) |
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agiflow Too many people are too stupid to know how a washer works. They think or assume that something magical is going on then they blame the machine. | ||
| Post# 1228583 , Reply# 40 4/12/2025 at 08:51 by Whirlpool862 (Columbus, OH) | ||
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I don’t think whirlpool will be over but they’ve been declining recently, their newest washing machines seem to be prone for control board failures. | ||
| Post# 1228584 , Reply# 41 4/12/2025 at 09:09 by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
i wish speed queen could buy maytag from whirlpool
i wish speed queen could buy maytag from whirlpool the reason i think that is my mom and i who use to buy whirlpool inglis products no longer trust whirlpool and back in 2021 when we bough or curent daily driver washer dryer set i have tryed convincing my mom that we look into the speed queen huebsch model line tr7 tc5 ect but did not lisen i knew maytag aspecaly the model we have was made by whirlpool we went with maytag because it cost less 4 years later now with a washer that can not dispense hot water if set to warm wash or hot water wash and i wonder how would maytag speed queen washers look like would they have electronic control like this or would they go with the tr series tc5 series pic of the control as an exemple whirlpool made maytag
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Post# 1228595 , Reply# 42 4/12/2025 at 11:54 by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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